Where has 'backup' got to?

[Richard]

Not wanting to go through the horrors of trying to piece
together my info, data and files from various sources
again (after my recent hard disk crash), I want to set up
and run the backup facility on my XP Computer.

Trouble is, when I go to Run >Programs> accessories
>System tools, the back up wizzard is not there and I
can't find any trace of it on the machine.

Where is it and how can I get it to strart my all
important backing up ?

Thanks, Richard

[Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers]

Hi Richard,

The backup utility is not installed by default in a WinXP Home system. If
you have a retail or generic OEM version, you can load it from the value-add
folder (see below). For other preinstalled systems, you should contact the
system manufacturer, they may have chosen not to provide this utility.

HOW TO: Install Backup from the CD-ROM in Windows XP Home [Q302894]
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302894

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers aka "Nutcase" MS-MVP - Win9x
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Associate Expert - WinXP - Expert Zone
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Win98 Help - www.rickrogers.org

"Richard" > wrote in message
...
> Not wanting to go through the horrors of trying to piece
> together my info, data and files from various sources
> again (after my recent hard disk crash), I want to set up
> and run the backup facility on my XP Computer.
>
> Trouble is, when I go to Run >Programs> accessories
> >System tools, the back up wizzard is not there and I
> can't find any trace of it on the machine.
>
> Where is it and how can I get it to strart my all
> important backing up ?
>
> Thanks, Richard

[richard]

Thanks Rick
>-----Original Message-----
>Hi Richard,
>
>The backup utility is not installed by default in a
WinXP Home system. If
>you have a retail or generic OEM version, you can load
it from the value-add
>folder (see below). For other preinstalled systems, you
should contact the
>system manufacturer, they may have chosen not to provide
this utility.
>
>HOW TO: Install Backup from the CD-ROM in Windows XP
Home [Q302894]
>http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302894
>
>--
>Best of Luck,
>
>Rick Rogers aka "Nutcase" MS-MVP - Win9x
>http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>Associate Expert - WinXP - Expert Zone
>www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>Win98 Help - www.rickrogers.org
>
>"Richard" > wrote in message
...
>> Not wanting to go through the horrors of trying to
piece
>> together my info, data and files from various sources
>> again (after my recent hard disk crash), I want to set
up
>> and run the backup facility on my XP Computer.
>>
>> Trouble is, when I go to Run >Programs> accessories
>> >System tools, the back up wizzard is not there and I
>> can't find any trace of it on the machine.
>>
>> Where is it and how can I get it to strart my all
>> important backing up ?
>>
>> Thanks, Richard
>
>
>.
>

[Harry Ohrn]

Rick you will be sorely disappointed with the Backup app that ships with XP.
Firstly the version that ships with XP Home can not complete an ASR
(Automated System Recovery), secondly it can not split large files into
segments, thirdly it can not burn directly to CD-R and the list goes on.
Your better option for a full system backup is to purchase a decent third
party imaging program like Norton Ghost 2003, Powerquest's Drive Image, or
terabyteunlimited BootIt NG or Image for Windows

--

Harry Ohrn - MS MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


"richard" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks Rick
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Hi Richard,
> >
> >The backup utility is not installed by default in a
> WinXP Home system. If
> >you have a retail or generic OEM version, you can load
> it from the value-add
> >folder (see below). For other preinstalled systems, you
> should contact the
> >system manufacturer, they may have chosen not to provide
> this utility.
> >
> >HOW TO: Install Backup from the CD-ROM in Windows XP
> Home [Q302894]
> >http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302894
> >
> >--
> >Best of Luck,
> >
> >Rick Rogers aka "Nutcase" MS-MVP - Win9x
> >http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> >Associate Expert - WinXP - Expert Zone
> >www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >Win98 Help - www.rickrogers.org
> >
> >"Richard" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Not wanting to go through the horrors of trying to
> piece
> >> together my info, data and files from various sources
> >> again (after my recent hard disk crash), I want to set
> up
> >> and run the backup facility on my XP Computer.
> >>
> >> Trouble is, when I go to Run >Programs> accessories
> >> >System tools, the back up wizzard is not there and I
> >> can't find any trace of it on the machine.
> >>
> >> Where is it and how can I get it to strart my all
> >> important backing up ?
> >>
> >> Thanks, Richard
> >
> >
> >.
> >

[David Candy]

NT Backup is very good. It is not for those who want to play with =
computers but for commercial backup. It supports commercial backup =
media. CDRom is not backup media.

Your ideas are very expensive.
--=20
David Candy
http://www.mvps.org/serenitymacros/
http://www.simtel.com/pub/pd/18669.html
"Harry Ohrn" > wrote in message =
...
> Rick you will be sorely disappointed with the Backup app that ships =
with XP.
> Firstly the version that ships with XP Home can not complete an ASR
> (Automated System Recovery), secondly it can not split large files =
into
> segments, thirdly it can not burn directly to CD-R and the list goes =
on.
> Your better option for a full system backup is to purchase a decent =
third
> party imaging program like Norton Ghost 2003, Powerquest's Drive =
Image, or
> terabyteunlimited BootIt NG or Image for Windows
>=20
> --=20
>=20
> Harry Ohrn - MS MVP [Shell/User]
> www.webtree.ca/windowsxp
>=20
>=20
> "richard" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Thanks Rick
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >Hi Richard,
> > >
> > >The backup utility is not installed by default in a
> > WinXP Home system. If
> > >you have a retail or generic OEM version, you can load
> > it from the value-add
> > >folder (see below). For other preinstalled systems, you
> > should contact the
> > >system manufacturer, they may have chosen not to provide
> > this utility.
> > >
> > >HOW TO: Install Backup from the CD-ROM in Windows XP
> > Home [Q302894]
> > >http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3D302894
> > >
> > >--=20
> > >Best of Luck,
> > >
> > >Rick Rogers aka "Nutcase" MS-MVP - Win9x
> > >http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> > >Associate Expert - WinXP - Expert Zone
> > >www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> > >Win98 Help - www.rickrogers.org
> > >
> > >"Richard" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >> Not wanting to go through the horrors of trying to
> > piece
> > >> together my info, data and files from various sources
> > >> again (after my recent hard disk crash), I want to set
> > up
> > >> and run the backup facility on my XP Computer.
> > >>
> > >> Trouble is, when I go to Run >Programs> accessories
> > >> >System tools, the back up wizzard is not there and I
> > >> can't find any trace of it on the machine.
> > >>
> > >> Where is it and how can I get it to strart my all
> > >> important backing up ?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks, Richard
> > >
> > >
> > >.
> > >
>=20
>=20

[Peter Wilkins]

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 06:10:39 +1000, "David Candy" >
wrote :

> CDRom is not backup media.

Damn! I've been using it for backup for years! Silly me!
--=20
Regards,
Peter Wilkins

[David Candy]

Yes silly you. Must cost heaps. CDRoms are used for Archiving. Tape is =
used for backups. You try using CDRom on 4 backups a day of many gig. =
Include staff costs as well.

--=20
David Candy
http://www.mvps.org/serenitymacros/
http://www.simtel.com/pub/pd/18669.html
"Peter Wilkins" > wrote in message =
...
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 06:10:39 +1000, "David Candy" >
wrote :

> CDRom is not backup media.

Damn! I've been using it for backup for years! Silly me!
--=20
Regards,
Peter Wilkins

[Peter Wilkins]

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:56:41 +1000, "David Candy" >
wrote :

>Yes silly you. Must cost heaps. CDRoms are used for Archiving. Tape is =
used for backups. You try using CDRom on 4 backups a day of many gig. =
Include staff costs as well.

Hey, we're talking PC's here - not multi-megabuck mainframes. FOUR
backups a day of many gigs? Get real! I wonder how many (if any)
small business/home users have any need for that? You must be talking
about pretty large companies to have that much critical data changing
that frequently. Perhaps NASA or the stock exchange, but that's not
small business. And the large company I used to work for gave away
tape backup many years ago (1990 to be precise) in favour of large
HDD. No staff costs, fully automated.
>
I use CDRW for my daily data backups - I can write to it like a HDD
using Roxio Direct CD. One reuseable disk. Costs nothing except the
initial $2. Oh, and I also keep a copy on a second HDD - that costs
nothing too. =20

I use 700M CDR for system backups - monthly or whenever there is a
major system/ application change. 9 CD's at 50 cents each. $4.50 per
backup per month isn't much for security. I also keep my most recent
system backup on the second HDD too - costs nothing, the CDR set goes
offsite for added security.

I think my usage is far more typical for the average home/small
business user - virtually none of whom would have ever seen a tape
backup drive, let alone used one. No matter what you say, the failure
of MS to provide a capability to backup to CD for a Home/Small
Business User O/S like XP is pretty ****-poor.=20
--=20
Regards,
Peter Wilkins

[Harry Ohrn]

"David Candy" > wrote in message
...
NT Backup is very good. It is not for those who want to play with computers
but for commercial backup. It supports commercial backup media. CDRom is not
backup media.

Your ideas are very expensive.
--
David Candy
http://www.mvps.org/serenitymacros/
http://www.simtel.com/pub/pd/18669.html

Why is the NTBackup included with XP Home watered down so that it can not
complete ASR?
How many Home users have tape backups?

Image for Windows costs under $30 US
Ghost 2003 costs under $25 US when purchased with System Works
Drive Image 2002 costs under $30 US

Big ticket items to be certain!
--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell\User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp



"Harry Ohrn" > wrote in message
...
> Rick you will be sorely disappointed with the Backup app that ships with
XP.
> Firstly the version that ships with XP Home can not complete an ASR
> (Automated System Recovery), secondly it can not split large files into
> segments, thirdly it can not burn directly to CD-R and the list goes on.
> Your better option for a full system backup is to purchase a decent third
> party imaging program like Norton Ghost 2003, Powerquest's Drive Image, or
> terabyteunlimited BootIt NG or Image for Windows
>
> --
>
> Harry Ohrn - MS MVP [Shell/User]
> www.webtree.ca/windowsxp
>
>
> "richard" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Thanks Rick
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >Hi Richard,
> > >
> > >The backup utility is not installed by default in a
> > WinXP Home system. If
> > >you have a retail or generic OEM version, you can load
> > it from the value-add
> > >folder (see below). For other preinstalled systems, you
> > should contact the
> > >system manufacturer, they may have chosen not to provide
> > this utility.
> > >
> > >HOW TO: Install Backup from the CD-ROM in Windows XP
> > Home [Q302894]
> > >http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302894
> > >
> > >--
> > >Best of Luck,
> > >
> > >Rick Rogers aka "Nutcase" MS-MVP - Win9x
> > >http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> > >Associate Expert - WinXP - Expert Zone
> > >www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> > >Win98 Help - www.rickrogers.org
> > >
> > >"Richard" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >> Not wanting to go through the horrors of trying to
> > piece
> > >> together my info, data and files from various sources
> > >> again (after my recent hard disk crash), I want to set
> > up
> > >> and run the backup facility on my XP Computer.
> > >>
> > >> Trouble is, when I go to Run >Programs> accessories
> > >> >System tools, the back up wizzard is not there and I
> > >> can't find any trace of it on the machine.
> > >>
> > >> Where is it and how can I get it to strart my all
> > >> important backing up ?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks, Richard
> > >
> > >
> > >.
> > >
>
>

[David Candy]

You are slagging off something you don't understand (you original post I =
replied to). All your comments about NTBackup are irrelevent. I never =
give it the floppy on an asr backup. Because I will not be restoring via =
ASR (asr just installs XP then restores the backup - I can do that =
myself).

As to the other, I x tape held on site, 1 x tape held off site (in case =
of a big fire). Also two per day made to HD, though HD are in different =
rooms to server (in case of a small fire).

--=20
David Candy
http://www.mvps.org/serenitymacros/
http://www.simtel.com/pub/pd/18669.html
"Harry Ohrn" > wrote in message =
...
>=20
> "David Candy" > wrote in message
> ...
> NT Backup is very good. It is not for those who want to play with =
computers
> but for commercial backup. It supports commercial backup media. CDRom =
is not
> backup media.
>=20
> Your ideas are very expensive.
> --=20
> David Candy
> http://www.mvps.org/serenitymacros/
> http://www.simtel.com/pub/pd/18669.html
>=20
> Why is the NTBackup included with XP Home watered down so that it can =
not
> complete ASR?
> How many Home users have tape backups?
>=20
> Image for Windows costs under $30 US
> Ghost 2003 costs under $25 US when purchased with System Works
> Drive Image 2002 costs under $30 US
>=20
> Big ticket items to be certain!
> --=20
>=20
> Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell\User]
> www.webtree.ca/windowsxp
>=20
>=20
>=20
> "Harry Ohrn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Rick you will be sorely disappointed with the Backup app that ships =
with
> XP.
> > Firstly the version that ships with XP Home can not complete an ASR
> > (Automated System Recovery), secondly it can not split large files =
into
> > segments, thirdly it can not burn directly to CD-R and the list goes =
on.
> > Your better option for a full system backup is to purchase a decent =
third
> > party imaging program like Norton Ghost 2003, Powerquest's Drive =
Image, or
> > terabyteunlimited BootIt NG or Image for Windows
> >
> > --=20
> >
> > Harry Ohrn - MS MVP [Shell/User]
> > www.webtree.ca/windowsxp
> >
> >
> > "richard" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Thanks Rick
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >Hi Richard,
> > > >
> > > >The backup utility is not installed by default in a
> > > WinXP Home system. If
> > > >you have a retail or generic OEM version, you can load
> > > it from the value-add
> > > >folder (see below). For other preinstalled systems, you
> > > should contact the
> > > >system manufacturer, they may have chosen not to provide
> > > this utility.
> > > >
> > > >HOW TO: Install Backup from the CD-ROM in Windows XP
> > > Home [Q302894]
> > > >http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3D302894
> > > >
> > > >--=20
> > > >Best of Luck,
> > > >
> > > >Rick Rogers aka "Nutcase" MS-MVP - Win9x
> > > >http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> > > >Associate Expert - WinXP - Expert Zone
> > > >www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> > > >Win98 Help - www.rickrogers.org
> > > >
> > > >"Richard" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >> Not wanting to go through the horrors of trying to
> > > piece
> > > >> together my info, data and files from various sources
> > > >> again (after my recent hard disk crash), I want to set
> > > up
> > > >> and run the backup facility on my XP Computer.
> > > >>
> > > >> Trouble is, when I go to Run >Programs> accessories
> > > >> >System tools, the back up wizzard is not there and I
> > > >> can't find any trace of it on the machine.
> > > >>
> > > >> Where is it and how can I get it to strart my all
> > > >> important backing up ?
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks, Richard
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >.
> > > >
> >
> >
>=20
>=20