"MS Sends Out Nasty XP Bug"

[William B. Lurie]

Ziff-Davis published a story on this subject, but it
wasn't clear to me what we could do to ovrcome or undo it.

Any advice from the MVPs?

William B. Lurie

[Robert Michon]

If you are referring to the latest round of MS Security patches that APPEAR
to have been mailed from MS, then there is really nothing we can do except
make sure antivirus definitions are up to date and spread the word that MS
will NEVER send e-mail to you with a patch attached.

--
Bob Michon
Associate Expert
Expert Zone---http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp
___
"William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
...
> Ziff-Davis published a story on this subject, but it
> wasn't clear to me what we could do to ovrcome or undo it.
>
> Any advice from the MVPs?
>
> William B. Lurie
>
>

[Robert Michon]

If you are referring to the latest round of MS Security patches that APPEAR
to have been mailed from MS, then there is really nothing we can do except
make sure antivirus definitions are up to date and spread the word that MS
will NEVER send e-mail to you with a patch attached.

--
Bob Michon
Associate Expert
Expert Zone---http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp
___
"William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
...
> Ziff-Davis published a story on this subject, but it
> wasn't clear to me what we could do to ovrcome or undo it.
>
> Any advice from the MVPs?
>
> William B. Lurie
>
>

[John Barnett - MVP]

The virus in question is sent as an attachment. It is
only activated when the attachment is opened. Therefore
either make sure that the 'do not allow attachments to be
saved or opened that could potentially be a virus' option
is enabled (this incidentally is done by default, unless
you have changed it in the outlook express options) At
least this way no attachment can be saved or opened. The
next, and perhaps important point, is to check the
originator of the email. While they are 'supposed' to
come from microsoft, if you check the return address from
the header you will see that, in many cases, it contains
a string of numbers after the '@' Without having access
to microsoft email servers the microsoft email extention
cannot be used by non microsoft employees, therefore they
have to use a ficticious one. And, as has already been
pointed out, microsoft do not send out emails complete
with update patches. You will only recieve an email from
microsoft if you have asked for one or have subscribed to
a particular news letter. Just make sure your anti virus
definitions are up to date and be vigilant with your
incoming emails. Never reply to the email. It simply
tells them that your email address is active and you will
be bombarded with more junk mail. I think in all i have
had about 12 of these so called update emails and each
time they have gone where they belong, into the recycle
bin!

Hope this helps

John Barnett - MS MVP
Associate expert
>-----Original Message-----
>If you are referring to the latest round of MS Security
patches that APPEAR
>to have been mailed from MS, then there is really
nothing we can do except
>make sure antivirus definitions are up to date and
spread the word that MS
>will NEVER send e-mail to you with a patch attached.
>
>--
>Bob Michon
>Associate Expert
>Expert Zone---
http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp
>___
>"William B. Lurie" > wrote in
message
...
>> Ziff-Davis published a story on this subject, but it
>> wasn't clear to me what we could do to ovrcome or undo
it.
>>
>> Any advice from the MVPs?
>>
>> William B. Lurie
>>
>>
>
>
>.
>

[John Barnett - MVP]

The virus in question is sent as an attachment. It is
only activated when the attachment is opened. Therefore
either make sure that the 'do not allow attachments to be
saved or opened that could potentially be a virus' option
is enabled (this incidentally is done by default, unless
you have changed it in the outlook express options) At
least this way no attachment can be saved or opened. The
next, and perhaps important point, is to check the
originator of the email. While they are 'supposed' to
come from microsoft, if you check the return address from
the header you will see that, in many cases, it contains
a string of numbers after the '@' Without having access
to microsoft email servers the microsoft email extention
cannot be used by non microsoft employees, therefore they
have to use a ficticious one. And, as has already been
pointed out, microsoft do not send out emails complete
with update patches. You will only recieve an email from
microsoft if you have asked for one or have subscribed to
a particular news letter. Just make sure your anti virus
definitions are up to date and be vigilant with your
incoming emails. Never reply to the email. It simply
tells them that your email address is active and you will
be bombarded with more junk mail. I think in all i have
had about 12 of these so called update emails and each
time they have gone where they belong, into the recycle
bin!

Hope this helps

John Barnett - MS MVP
Associate expert
>-----Original Message-----
>If you are referring to the latest round of MS Security
patches that APPEAR
>to have been mailed from MS, then there is really
nothing we can do except
>make sure antivirus definitions are up to date and
spread the word that MS
>will NEVER send e-mail to you with a patch attached.
>
>--
>Bob Michon
>Associate Expert
>Expert Zone---
http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp
>___
>"William B. Lurie" > wrote in
message
...
>> Ziff-Davis published a story on this subject, but it
>> wasn't clear to me what we could do to ovrcome or undo
it.
>>
>> Any advice from the MVPs?
>>
>> William B. Lurie
>>
>>
>
>
>.
>

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

Microsoft never has, does not currently, and never will email
unsolicited security patches. At the most, if, and only if, you
subscribe to their security notification newsletter, they will send
you an email informing you that a new patch is available for
downloading.

Microsoft Policies on Software Distribution
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/?url=/technet/security/policy/swdist.asp

What you received is the output of a computer infected by a new
mass emailing worm:

W32.Gibe.B



Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
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"William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
...
> Ziff-Davis published a story on this subject, but it
> wasn't clear to me what we could do to ovrcome or undo it.
>
> Any advice from the MVPs?
>
> William B. Lurie
>
>

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

Microsoft never has, does not currently, and never will email
unsolicited security patches. At the most, if, and only if, you
subscribe to their security notification newsletter, they will send
you an email informing you that a new patch is available for
downloading.

Microsoft Policies on Software Distribution
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/?url=/technet/security/policy/swdist.asp

What you received is the output of a computer infected by a new
mass emailing worm:

W32.Gibe.B



Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
----
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having both at once. -- RAH


"William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
...
> Ziff-Davis published a story on this subject, but it
> wasn't clear to me what we could do to ovrcome or undo it.
>
> Any advice from the MVPs?
>
> William B. Lurie
>
>

[Joan Archer]

This email is certainly doing the rounds, I know I have had several of them
but as I use Hotmail for my NG postings when one comes in it automatically
goes in the junk folder <vbg> I do subscribe to the newsletter so I'm
informed when there is anything new plus have auto update notify me of new
updates.
It does make me wonder sometimes though about the way some people think it's
amusing to try and sabotage computer systems.
Joan

"John Barnett - MVP" > wrote in message
...
>snip>>
> time they have gone where they belong, into the recycle
> bin!
>
> Hope this helps
>
> John Barnett - MS MVP
> Associate expert

[Joan Archer]

This email is certainly doing the rounds, I know I have had several of them
but as I use Hotmail for my NG postings when one comes in it automatically
goes in the junk folder <vbg> I do subscribe to the newsletter so I'm
informed when there is anything new plus have auto update notify me of new
updates.
It does make me wonder sometimes though about the way some people think it's
amusing to try and sabotage computer systems.
Joan

"John Barnett - MVP" > wrote in message
...
>snip>>
> time they have gone where they belong, into the recycle
> bin!
>
> Hope this helps
>
> John Barnett - MS MVP
> Associate expert

[William B. Lurie]

No, I am aware that Microsoft doesn't send out supposed updates as
broadcast e-mail messages. The Ziff-Davis warning applied to a
downloadable and recommended Microsoft upgrade that slows
down system excution dramatically. I can go back and cite it in more detail
if this all sounds so strange to the MVPs......
W B Lurie

Robert Michon wrote:

> If you are referring to the latest round of MS Security patches that APPEAR
> to have been mailed from MS, then there is really nothing we can do except
> make sure antivirus definitions are up to date and spread the word that MS
> will NEVER send e-mail to you with a patch attached.
>
> --
> Bob Michon
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone---http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp
> ___
> "William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Ziff-Davis published a story on this subject, but it
> > wasn't clear to me what we could do to ovrcome or undo it.
> >
> > Any advice from the MVPs?
> >
> > William B. Lurie
>

[William B. Lurie]

No, I am aware that Microsoft doesn't send out supposed updates as
broadcast e-mail messages. The Ziff-Davis warning applied to a
downloadable and recommended Microsoft upgrade that slows
down system excution dramatically. I can go back and cite it in more detail
if this all sounds so strange to the MVPs......
W B Lurie

Robert Michon wrote:

> If you are referring to the latest round of MS Security patches that APPEAR
> to have been mailed from MS, then there is really nothing we can do except
> make sure antivirus definitions are up to date and spread the word that MS
> will NEVER send e-mail to you with a patch attached.
>
> --
> Bob Michon
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone---http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp
> ___
> "William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Ziff-Davis published a story on this subject, but it
> > wasn't clear to me what we could do to ovrcome or undo it.
> >
> > Any advice from the MVPs?
> >
> > William B. Lurie
>

[Ken Blake]

"William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
...

> No, I am aware that Microsoft doesn't send out supposed updates
as
> broadcast e-mail messages. The Ziff-Davis warning applied to a
> downloadable and recommended Microsoft upgrade that slows
> down system excution dramatically. I can go back and cite it in
more detail
> if this all sounds so strange to the MVPs......


You're presumably talking about the 811493 update. Yes, this
problem is well-known and has been repeatedly discussd here. The
update has apparently been withdrawn, while Microsoft has gone
back to the drawing board on it. In the meantime, if you've
already installed it, and are experiencing a slowdown (not every
computer does) you can uninstall it from Add/Remove programs.

--
Ken Blake
Please reply to the newsgroup


> Robert Michon wrote:
>
> > If you are referring to the latest round of MS Security
patches that APPEAR
> > to have been mailed from MS, then there is really nothing we
can do except
> > make sure antivirus definitions are up to date and spread the
word that MS
> > will NEVER send e-mail to you with a patch attached.
> >
> > --
> > Bob Michon
> > Associate Expert
> > Expert
Zone---http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp
> > ___
> > "William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Ziff-Davis published a story on this subject, but it
> > > wasn't clear to me what we could do to ovrcome or undo it.
> > >
> > > Any advice from the MVPs?
> > >
> > > William B. Lurie
> >
>

[Ken Blake]

"William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
...

> No, I am aware that Microsoft doesn't send out supposed updates
as
> broadcast e-mail messages. The Ziff-Davis warning applied to a
> downloadable and recommended Microsoft upgrade that slows
> down system excution dramatically. I can go back and cite it in
more detail
> if this all sounds so strange to the MVPs......


You're presumably talking about the 811493 update. Yes, this
problem is well-known and has been repeatedly discussd here. The
update has apparently been withdrawn, while Microsoft has gone
back to the drawing board on it. In the meantime, if you've
already installed it, and are experiencing a slowdown (not every
computer does) you can uninstall it from Add/Remove programs.

--
Ken Blake
Please reply to the newsgroup


> Robert Michon wrote:
>
> > If you are referring to the latest round of MS Security
patches that APPEAR
> > to have been mailed from MS, then there is really nothing we
can do except
> > make sure antivirus definitions are up to date and spread the
word that MS
> > will NEVER send e-mail to you with a patch attached.
> >
> > --
> > Bob Michon
> > Associate Expert
> > Expert
Zone---http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp
> > ___
> > "William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Ziff-Davis published a story on this subject, but it
> > > wasn't clear to me what we could do to ovrcome or undo it.
> > >
> > > Any advice from the MVPs?
> > >
> > > William B. Lurie
> >
>

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

I've regarded information from Ziff-Davis with a great deal of
skepticism for several years now, so I rarely look at their sites. A
link to the specific article would be useful in eliminating any
confusion about just what "bug" Microsoft has purportedly sent out.

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
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"William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
...
> No, I am aware that Microsoft doesn't send out supposed updates as
> broadcast e-mail messages. The Ziff-Davis warning applied to a
> downloadable and recommended Microsoft upgrade that slows
> down system excution dramatically. I can go back and cite it in more
detail
> if this all sounds so strange to the MVPs......
> W B Lurie
>
> Robert Michon wrote:
>
> > If you are referring to the latest round of MS Security patches
that APPEAR
> > to have been mailed from MS, then there is really nothing we can
do except
> > make sure antivirus definitions are up to date and spread the word
that MS
> > will NEVER send e-mail to you with a patch attached.
> >
> > --
> > Bob Michon
> > Associate Expert
> > Expert
Zone---http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp
> > ___
> > "William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Ziff-Davis published a story on this subject, but it
> > > wasn't clear to me what we could do to ovrcome or undo it.
> > >
> > > Any advice from the MVPs?
> > >
> > > William B. Lurie
> >
>

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

I've regarded information from Ziff-Davis with a great deal of
skepticism for several years now, so I rarely look at their sites. A
link to the specific article would be useful in eliminating any
confusion about just what "bug" Microsoft has purportedly sent out.

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
----
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having both at once. -- RAH


"William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
...
> No, I am aware that Microsoft doesn't send out supposed updates as
> broadcast e-mail messages. The Ziff-Davis warning applied to a
> downloadable and recommended Microsoft upgrade that slows
> down system excution dramatically. I can go back and cite it in more
detail
> if this all sounds so strange to the MVPs......
> W B Lurie
>
> Robert Michon wrote:
>
> > If you are referring to the latest round of MS Security patches
that APPEAR
> > to have been mailed from MS, then there is really nothing we can
do except
> > make sure antivirus definitions are up to date and spread the word
that MS
> > will NEVER send e-mail to you with a patch attached.
> >
> > --
> > Bob Michon
> > Associate Expert
> > Expert
Zone---http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp
> > ___
> > "William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Ziff-Davis published a story on this subject, but it
> > > wasn't clear to me what we could do to ovrcome or undo it.
> > >
> > > Any advice from the MVPs?
> > >
> > > William B. Lurie
> >
>

[William B. Lurie]

Thank you, Ken....I knew I wasn't just imagining that it
was a genuine Microsoft-supplied "improvement" that
proved to be well worth UNinstalling.
Would someon please give me specific instructions on
how to uninstall it?
Thank you
W B L

Ken Blake wrote:

> "William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > No, I am aware that Microsoft doesn't send out supposed updates
> as
> > broadcast e-mail messages. The Ziff-Davis warning applied to a
> > downloadable and recommended Microsoft upgrade that slows
> > down system excution dramatically. I can go back and cite it in
> more detail
> > if this all sounds so strange to the MVPs......
>
> You're presumably talking about the 811493 update. Yes, this
> problem is well-known and has been repeatedly discussd here. The
> update has apparently been withdrawn, while Microsoft has gone
> back to the drawing board on it. In the meantime, if you've
> already installed it, and are experiencing a slowdown (not every
> computer does) you can uninstall it from Add/Remove programs.
>
> --
> Ken Blake
> Please reply to the newsgroup
>
> > Robert Michon wrote:
> >
> > > If you are referring to the latest round of MS Security
> patches that APPEAR
> > > to have been mailed from MS, then there is really nothing we
> can do except
> > > make sure antivirus definitions are up to date and spread the
> word that MS
> > > will NEVER send e-mail to you with a patch attached.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bob Michon
> > > Associate Expert
> > > Expert
> Zone---http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp
> > > ___
> > > "William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Ziff-Davis published a story on this subject, but it
> > > > wasn't clear to me what we could do to ovrcome or undo it.
> > > >
> > > > Any advice from the MVPs?
> > > >
> > > > William B. Lurie
> > >
> >

--

William B. Lurie

[Ken Blake]

In , William B. Lurie wrote:

> Thank you, Ken....I knew I wasn't just imagining that it
> was a genuine Microsoft-supplied "improvement" that
> proved to be well worth UNinstalling.
> Would someon please give me specific instructions on
> how to uninstall it?


You're welcome. As I said, just go to Control Panel | Add/Remove
Programs and uninstall it there.

--
Ken Blake
Please reply to the newsgroup


> Ken Blake wrote:
>
>> "William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> No, I am aware that Microsoft doesn't send out supposed
updates as
>>> broadcast e-mail messages. The Ziff-Davis warning applied to
a
>>> downloadable and recommended Microsoft upgrade that slows
>>> down system excution dramatically. I can go back and cite it
in
>>> more detail if this all sounds so strange to the MVPs......
>>
>> You're presumably talking about the 811493 update. Yes, this
>> problem is well-known and has been repeatedly discussd here.
The
>> update has apparently been withdrawn, while Microsoft has gone
>> back to the drawing board on it. In the meantime, if you've
>> already installed it, and are experiencing a slowdown (not
every
>> computer does) you can uninstall it from Add/Remove programs.
>>
>> --
>> Ken Blake
>> Please reply to the newsgroup
>>
>>> Robert Michon wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you are referring to the latest round of MS Security
patches
>>>> that APPEAR to have been mailed from MS, then there is
really
>>>> nothing we can do except make sure antivirus definitions are
up to
>>>> date and spread the word that MS will NEVER send e-mail to
you
>>>> with a patch attached.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bob Michon
>>>> Associate Expert
>>>> Expert
Zone---http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp
>>>> ___
>>>> "William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Ziff-Davis published a story on this subject, but it
>>>>> wasn't clear to me what we could do to ovrcome or undo it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any advice from the MVPs?
>>>>>
>>>>> William B. Lurie

[William B. Lurie]

Yes, I went there, but can not identify it.....
W B L

Ken Blake wrote:

> In , William B. Lurie wrote:
>
> > Thank you, Ken....I knew I wasn't just imagining that it
> > was a genuine Microsoft-supplied "improvement" that
> > proved to be well worth UNinstalling.
> > Would someon please give me specific instructions on
> > how to uninstall it?
>
> You're welcome. As I said, just go to Control Panel | Add/Remove
> Programs and uninstall it there.
>
> --
> Ken Blake
> Please reply to the newsgroup
>
> > Ken Blake wrote:
> >
> >> "William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>
> >>> No, I am aware that Microsoft doesn't send out supposed
> updates as
> >>> broadcast e-mail messages. The Ziff-Davis warning applied to
> a
> >>> downloadable and recommended Microsoft upgrade that slows
> >>> down system excution dramatically. I can go back and cite it
> in
> >>> more detail if this all sounds so strange to the MVPs......
> >>
> >> You're presumably talking about the 811493 update. Yes, this
> >> problem is well-known and has been repeatedly discussd here.
> The
> >> update has apparently been withdrawn, while Microsoft has gone
> >> back to the drawing board on it. In the meantime, if you've
> >> already installed it, and are experiencing a slowdown (not
> every
> >> computer does) you can uninstall it from Add/Remove programs.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ken Blake
> >> Please reply to the newsgroup
> >>
> >>> Robert Michon wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> If you are referring to the latest round of MS Security
> patches
> >>>> that APPEAR to have been mailed from MS, then there is
> really
> >>>> nothing we can do except make sure antivirus definitions are
> up to
> >>>> date and spread the word that MS will NEVER send e-mail to
> you
> >>>> with a patch attached.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Bob Michon
> >>>> Associate Expert
> >>>> Expert
> Zone---http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp
> >>>> ___
> >>>> "William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>>> Ziff-Davis published a story on this subject, but it
> >>>>> wasn't clear to me what we could do to ovrcome or undo it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any advice from the MVPs?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> William B. Lurie

--

William B. Lurie

[Fred]

On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 13:13:12 -0400, "William B. Lurie"
> wrote:

>No, I am aware that Microsoft doesn't send out supposed updates as
>broadcast e-mail messages. The Ziff-Davis warning applied to a
>downloadable and recommended Microsoft upgrade that slows
>down system excution dramatically. I can go back and cite it in more detail
>if this all sounds so strange to the MVPs......

Who ****ed in your cereal?

MS did not send out any update. So when you say it that way, it makes
it look like you are an idiot. Of course, maybe you are, who knows.

Lastly, any moron who listens to ziff davis is a moron.

[William B. Lurie]

Thank you for the polite, constructive, and refined comment, Fred.
The Microsoft MVPs acknowledged the deleterious effects
of 811493. I recommend that you take a course in
remedial reading.
WBL

Fred wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 13:13:12 -0400, "William B. Lurie"
> > wrote:
>
> >No, I am aware that Microsoft doesn't send out supposed updates as
> >broadcast e-mail messages. The Ziff-Davis warning applied to a
> >downloadable and recommended Microsoft upgrade that slows
> >down system excution dramatically. I can go back and cite it in more detail
> >if this all sounds so strange to the MVPs......
>
> Who ****ed in your cereal?
>
> MS did not send out any update. So when you say it that way, it makes
> it look like you are an idiot. Of course, maybe you are, who knows.
>
> Lastly, any moron who listens to ziff davis is a moron.

--

William B. Lurie

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

Ah, at last.... You do realize that you've caused a lot of
unnecessary confusion by not bothering to identify your specific issue
until your _fifth_ post into the thread? Why in the name of all
that's reasonable didn't you include that crucial tidbit of essential
information in your original post? No one here is psychic. Aside
from Kent, that is, apparently, who guessed correctly. ;-} )

By the way, not all MVP's ".... acknowledged the deleterious
effects of 811493." While there have certainly been enough reports of
problems linked to the patch for Microsoft to pull it, and to retest
it, not everyone has experienced any "deleterious effects." Myself,
I've had the 811493 Hotfix installed for over a week, and have
experienced no system or application slow downs. Mind you, I'm not
denying anyone else's experiences or reports, merely stating that I
haven't shared the experience.


Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
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"William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
...
> Thank you for the polite, constructive, and refined comment, Fred.
> The Microsoft MVPs acknowledged the deleterious effects
> of 811493. I recommend that you take a course in
> remedial reading.
> WBL
>
> Fred wrote:
>

[William B. Lurie]

Thank you, Bruce. It's nice that it some people have not
found 811493 to be undesirable. Obviously some people have, and
therefore I (or we) would appreciate some specific instructions
for how to reverse it. I couldn't find it via "Add/Remove Programs"
as was suggested.
W B Lurie

Bruce Chambers wrote:

> Greetings --
>
> Nnot all MVP's ".... acknowledged the deleterious
> effects of 811493." While there have certainly been enough reports of
> problems linked to the patch for Microsoft to pull it, and to retest
> it, not everyone has experienced any "deleterious effects." Myself,
> I've had the 811493 Hotfix installed for over a week, and have
> experienced no system or application slow downs. Mind you, I'm not
> denying anyone else's experiences or reports, merely stating that I
> haven't shared the experience.
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>

[William B. Lurie]

"William B. Lurie" wrote:

> Thank you, Bruce. It's nice that it some people have not
> found 811493 to be undesirable. Obviously some people have, and
> therefore I (or we) would appreciate some specific instructions
> for how to reverse it. I couldn't find it via "Add/Remove Programs"
> as was suggested.
> W B Lurie
>

Digging further, I found it under Windows Programs and
removed it. No further assistance needed, and thank you to
all who provided useful assistance.

William B. Lurie

[William B. Lurie]

Thank you, Ken....I knew I wasn't just imagining that it
was a genuine Microsoft-supplied "improvement" that
proved to be well worth UNinstalling.
Would someon please give me specific instructions on
how to uninstall it?
Thank you
W B L

Ken Blake wrote:

> "William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > No, I am aware that Microsoft doesn't send out supposed updates
> as
> > broadcast e-mail messages. The Ziff-Davis warning applied to a
> > downloadable and recommended Microsoft upgrade that slows
> > down system excution dramatically. I can go back and cite it in
> more detail
> > if this all sounds so strange to the MVPs......
>
> You're presumably talking about the 811493 update. Yes, this
> problem is well-known and has been repeatedly discussd here. The
> update has apparently been withdrawn, while Microsoft has gone
> back to the drawing board on it. In the meantime, if you've
> already installed it, and are experiencing a slowdown (not every
> computer does) you can uninstall it from Add/Remove programs.
>
> --
> Ken Blake
> Please reply to the newsgroup
>
> > Robert Michon wrote:
> >
> > > If you are referring to the latest round of MS Security
> patches that APPEAR
> > > to have been mailed from MS, then there is really nothing we
> can do except
> > > make sure antivirus definitions are up to date and spread the
> word that MS
> > > will NEVER send e-mail to you with a patch attached.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bob Michon
> > > Associate Expert
> > > Expert
> Zone---http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp
> > > ___
> > > "William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Ziff-Davis published a story on this subject, but it
> > > > wasn't clear to me what we could do to ovrcome or undo it.
> > > >
> > > > Any advice from the MVPs?
> > > >
> > > > William B. Lurie
> > >
> >

--

William B. Lurie

[Ken Blake]

In , William B. Lurie wrote:

> Thank you, Ken....I knew I wasn't just imagining that it
> was a genuine Microsoft-supplied "improvement" that
> proved to be well worth UNinstalling.
> Would someon please give me specific instructions on
> how to uninstall it?


You're welcome. As I said, just go to Control Panel | Add/Remove
Programs and uninstall it there.

--
Ken Blake
Please reply to the newsgroup


> Ken Blake wrote:
>
>> "William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> No, I am aware that Microsoft doesn't send out supposed
updates as
>>> broadcast e-mail messages. The Ziff-Davis warning applied to
a
>>> downloadable and recommended Microsoft upgrade that slows
>>> down system excution dramatically. I can go back and cite it
in
>>> more detail if this all sounds so strange to the MVPs......
>>
>> You're presumably talking about the 811493 update. Yes, this
>> problem is well-known and has been repeatedly discussd here.
The
>> update has apparently been withdrawn, while Microsoft has gone
>> back to the drawing board on it. In the meantime, if you've
>> already installed it, and are experiencing a slowdown (not
every
>> computer does) you can uninstall it from Add/Remove programs.
>>
>> --
>> Ken Blake
>> Please reply to the newsgroup
>>
>>> Robert Michon wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you are referring to the latest round of MS Security
patches
>>>> that APPEAR to have been mailed from MS, then there is
really
>>>> nothing we can do except make sure antivirus definitions are
up to
>>>> date and spread the word that MS will NEVER send e-mail to
you
>>>> with a patch attached.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bob Michon
>>>> Associate Expert
>>>> Expert
Zone---http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp
>>>> ___
>>>> "William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Ziff-Davis published a story on this subject, but it
>>>>> wasn't clear to me what we could do to ovrcome or undo it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any advice from the MVPs?
>>>>>
>>>>> William B. Lurie

[William B. Lurie]

Yes, I went there, but can not identify it.....
W B L

Ken Blake wrote:

> In , William B. Lurie wrote:
>
> > Thank you, Ken....I knew I wasn't just imagining that it
> > was a genuine Microsoft-supplied "improvement" that
> > proved to be well worth UNinstalling.
> > Would someon please give me specific instructions on
> > how to uninstall it?
>
> You're welcome. As I said, just go to Control Panel | Add/Remove
> Programs and uninstall it there.
>
> --
> Ken Blake
> Please reply to the newsgroup
>
> > Ken Blake wrote:
> >
> >> "William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>
> >>> No, I am aware that Microsoft doesn't send out supposed
> updates as
> >>> broadcast e-mail messages. The Ziff-Davis warning applied to
> a
> >>> downloadable and recommended Microsoft upgrade that slows
> >>> down system excution dramatically. I can go back and cite it
> in
> >>> more detail if this all sounds so strange to the MVPs......
> >>
> >> You're presumably talking about the 811493 update. Yes, this
> >> problem is well-known and has been repeatedly discussd here.
> The
> >> update has apparently been withdrawn, while Microsoft has gone
> >> back to the drawing board on it. In the meantime, if you've
> >> already installed it, and are experiencing a slowdown (not
> every
> >> computer does) you can uninstall it from Add/Remove programs.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ken Blake
> >> Please reply to the newsgroup
> >>
> >>> Robert Michon wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> If you are referring to the latest round of MS Security
> patches
> >>>> that APPEAR to have been mailed from MS, then there is
> really
> >>>> nothing we can do except make sure antivirus definitions are
> up to
> >>>> date and spread the word that MS will NEVER send e-mail to
> you
> >>>> with a patch attached.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Bob Michon
> >>>> Associate Expert
> >>>> Expert
> Zone---http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp
> >>>> ___
> >>>> "William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>>> Ziff-Davis published a story on this subject, but it
> >>>>> wasn't clear to me what we could do to ovrcome or undo it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any advice from the MVPs?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> William B. Lurie

--

William B. Lurie

[Fred]

On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 13:13:12 -0400, "William B. Lurie"
> wrote:

>No, I am aware that Microsoft doesn't send out supposed updates as
>broadcast e-mail messages. The Ziff-Davis warning applied to a
>downloadable and recommended Microsoft upgrade that slows
>down system excution dramatically. I can go back and cite it in more detail
>if this all sounds so strange to the MVPs......

Who ****ed in your cereal?

MS did not send out any update. So when you say it that way, it makes
it look like you are an idiot. Of course, maybe you are, who knows.

Lastly, any moron who listens to ziff davis is a moron.

[William B. Lurie]

Thank you for the polite, constructive, and refined comment, Fred.
The Microsoft MVPs acknowledged the deleterious effects
of 811493. I recommend that you take a course in
remedial reading.
WBL

Fred wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 13:13:12 -0400, "William B. Lurie"
> > wrote:
>
> >No, I am aware that Microsoft doesn't send out supposed updates as
> >broadcast e-mail messages. The Ziff-Davis warning applied to a
> >downloadable and recommended Microsoft upgrade that slows
> >down system excution dramatically. I can go back and cite it in more detail
> >if this all sounds so strange to the MVPs......
>
> Who ****ed in your cereal?
>
> MS did not send out any update. So when you say it that way, it makes
> it look like you are an idiot. Of course, maybe you are, who knows.
>
> Lastly, any moron who listens to ziff davis is a moron.

--

William B. Lurie

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

Ah, at last.... You do realize that you've caused a lot of
unnecessary confusion by not bothering to identify your specific issue
until your _fifth_ post into the thread? Why in the name of all
that's reasonable didn't you include that crucial tidbit of essential
information in your original post? No one here is psychic. Aside
from Kent, that is, apparently, who guessed correctly. ;-} )

By the way, not all MVP's ".... acknowledged the deleterious
effects of 811493." While there have certainly been enough reports of
problems linked to the patch for Microsoft to pull it, and to retest
it, not everyone has experienced any "deleterious effects." Myself,
I've had the 811493 Hotfix installed for over a week, and have
experienced no system or application slow downs. Mind you, I'm not
denying anyone else's experiences or reports, merely stating that I
haven't shared the experience.


Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
----
You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH


"William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
...
> Thank you for the polite, constructive, and refined comment, Fred.
> The Microsoft MVPs acknowledged the deleterious effects
> of 811493. I recommend that you take a course in
> remedial reading.
> WBL
>
> Fred wrote:
>

[William B. Lurie]

Thank you, Bruce. It's nice that it some people have not
found 811493 to be undesirable. Obviously some people have, and
therefore I (or we) would appreciate some specific instructions
for how to reverse it. I couldn't find it via "Add/Remove Programs"
as was suggested.
W B Lurie

Bruce Chambers wrote:

> Greetings --
>
> Nnot all MVP's ".... acknowledged the deleterious
> effects of 811493." While there have certainly been enough reports of
> problems linked to the patch for Microsoft to pull it, and to retest
> it, not everyone has experienced any "deleterious effects." Myself,
> I've had the 811493 Hotfix installed for over a week, and have
> experienced no system or application slow downs. Mind you, I'm not
> denying anyone else's experiences or reports, merely stating that I
> haven't shared the experience.
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>

[William B. Lurie]

"William B. Lurie" wrote:

> Thank you, Bruce. It's nice that it some people have not
> found 811493 to be undesirable. Obviously some people have, and
> therefore I (or we) would appreciate some specific instructions
> for how to reverse it. I couldn't find it via "Add/Remove Programs"
> as was suggested.
> W B Lurie
>

Digging further, I found it under Windows Programs and
removed it. No further assistance needed, and thank you to
all who provided useful assistance.

William B. Lurie

[Unknown]

You have any idea in the world how on earth it got there?
"William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "William B. Lurie" wrote:
>
> > Thank you, Bruce. It's nice that it some people have not
> > found 811493 to be undesirable. Obviously some people have, and
> > therefore I (or we) would appreciate some specific instructions
> > for how to reverse it. I couldn't find it via "Add/Remove Programs"
> > as was suggested.
> > W B Lurie
> >
>
> Digging further, I found it under Windows Programs and
> removed it. No further assistance needed, and thank you to
> all who provided useful assistance.
>
> William B. Lurie
>
>

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

Glad to hear you've got it sorted.

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
----
You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH


"William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "William B. Lurie" wrote:
>
> > Thank you, Bruce. It's nice that it some people have not
> > found 811493 to be undesirable. Obviously some people have, and
> > therefore I (or we) would appreciate some specific instructions
> > for how to reverse it. I couldn't find it via "Add/Remove
Programs"
> > as was suggested.
> > W B Lurie
> >
>
> Digging further, I found it under Windows Programs and
> removed it. No further assistance needed, and thank you to
> all who provided useful assistance.
>
> William B. Lurie
>
>

[Fred]

On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 13:02:32 -0400, "William B. Lurie"
> wrote:

>Digging further, I found it under Windows Programs and
>removed it. No further assistance needed, and thank you to
>all who provided useful assistance.

Yet you think others need to learn how to read...