Diferent versions of XP

[Carl]

Hi Yall out there
I was looking at the prices of XP at a computer retailer on the net and
noticed a big diference in the prices on diferent versions of XP.
Like XP Pro upgrade is about $190. and XP Pro oem full is $159. and it said
XP Pro was $279.
What is the diference between The OEM version and XP Pro at $100. diference
in price.
Thanks alot
Carl
--
Carl

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

There are some very important reasons that an OEM license costs so
much less than a retail license. OEM licenses are very limited:

1) OEM versions must be sold with a piece of hardware (normally
a motherboard or hard drive, if not an entire PC, although Microsoft
has greatly relaxed the hardware criteria for WinXP) and are
_permanently_ bound to the first PC on which they are installed. An
OEM license, once installed, is not legally transferable to another
computer under any circumstances. This is the main reason some people
avoid OEM versions; if the PC dies or is otherwise disposed of (even
stolen), you cannot re-use your OEM license on a new PC. The only
legitimate way to transfer the ownership of an OEM license is to
transfer ownership of the entire PC.

2) Microsoft provides no free support for OEM versions. If you
have any problems that require outside assistance, your only recourse
is to contact the manufacturer/builder of the PC or the vendor of the
OEM license. This would include such issues as lost a Product Key or
replacing damaged installation media. (Microsoft does make allowances
for those instances when you can prove that the OEM has gone out of
business.) This doesn't mean that you can't download patches and
service packs from Microsoft -- just no free telephone or email
support for problems with the OS.

3) An OEM CD cannot be used to perform an upgrade of an earlier
OS, as it was designed to be installed _only_ upon an empty hard
drive. It can still be used to perform a repair installation (a.k.a.
an in-place upgrade) of an existing WinXP installation.

4) If the OEM CD was designed by a specific manufacturer, such as
eMachines, Sony, Dell, Gateway, etc., it will most likely only install
on the same brand of PC, as an additional anti-piracy feature.
Further, such CDs are severely customized to contain only the minimum
of device drivers, and a lot of extra nonsense, that the manufacturer
feels necessary for the specific model of PC for which the CD was
designed. (To be honest, such CDs should _not_ be available on the
open market; but, if you're shopping someplace like eBay, swap meets,
or computer fairs, there's often no telling what you're buying until
it's too late.) The "generic" OEM CDs, such as are manufactured by
Microsoft and sold to small systems builders, don't have this
particular problem, though, and are pretty much the same as their
retail counterparts, apart from the licensing, support, and upgrading
restrictions.


Bruce Chambers

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"Carl" <cgerving@ecenetdotcom> wrote in message
...
>
> Hi Yall out there
> I was looking at the prices of XP at a computer retailer on the net
and
> noticed a big diference in the prices on diferent versions of XP.
> Like XP Pro upgrade is about $190. and XP Pro oem full is $159. and
it said
> XP Pro was $279.
> What is the diference between The OEM version and XP Pro at $100.
diference
> in price.
> Thanks alot
> Carl
> --
> Carl
>
>

[Nico Tomacelli [MSFT]]

Hi Carl,

The difference between XP Pro and XP Pro Upgrade, is the Upgrade version
requires you to have a previous operating system on your computer. The OEM
version, is the version you would receive without any of the
packaging/manuals. It's just the CD and CD Key.

Hope this helps!

Thx,
Nico Tomacelli
Microsoft Corp.
US - Windows Core:SOLID

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"Carl" <cgerving@ecenetdotcom> wrote in message
...
>
> Hi Yall out there
> I was looking at the prices of XP at a computer retailer on the net and
> noticed a big diference in the prices on diferent versions of XP.
> Like XP Pro upgrade is about $190. and XP Pro oem full is $159. and it
said
> XP Pro was $279.
> What is the diference between The OEM version and XP Pro at $100.
diference
> in price.
> Thanks alot
> Carl
> --
> Carl
>
>

[GK]

Bruce Chambers wrote:

> Greetings --
>
> There are some very important reasons that an OEM license costs so
> much less than a retail license. OEM licenses are very limited:
>
> 1) OEM versions must be sold with a piece of hardware (normally
> a motherboard or hard drive, if not an entire PC, although Microsoft
> has greatly relaxed the hardware criteria for WinXP) and are
> _permanently_ bound to the first PC on which they are installed. An
> OEM license, once installed, is not legally transferable to another
> computer under any circumstances. This is the main reason some people
> avoid OEM versions; if the PC dies or is otherwise disposed of (even
> stolen), you cannot re-use your OEM license on a new PC. The only
> legitimate way to transfer the ownership of an OEM license is to
> transfer ownership of the entire PC.
>
> 2) Microsoft provides no free support for OEM versions. If you
> have any problems that require outside assistance, your only recourse
> is to contact the manufacturer/builder of the PC or the vendor of the
> OEM license. This would include such issues as lost a Product Key or
> replacing damaged installation media. (Microsoft does make allowances
> for those instances when you can prove that the OEM has gone out of
> business.) This doesn't mean that you can't download patches and
> service packs from Microsoft -- just no free telephone or email
> support for problems with the OS.
>
> 3) An OEM CD cannot be used to perform an upgrade of an earlier
> OS, as it was designed to be installed _only_ upon an empty hard
> drive. It can still be used to perform a repair installation (a.k.a.
> an in-place upgrade) of an existing WinXP installation.
>
> 4) If the OEM CD was designed by a specific manufacturer, such as
> eMachines, Sony, Dell, Gateway, etc., it will most likely only install
> on the same brand of PC, as an additional anti-piracy feature.
> Further, such CDs are severely customized to contain only the minimum
> of device drivers, and a lot of extra nonsense, that the manufacturer
> feels necessary for the specific model of PC for which the CD was
> designed. (To be honest, such CDs should _not_ be available on the
> open market; but, if you're shopping someplace like eBay, swap meets,
> or computer fairs, there's often no telling what you're buying until
> it's too late.) The "generic" OEM CDs, such as are manufactured by
> Microsoft and sold to small systems builders, don't have this
> particular problem, though, and are pretty much the same as their
> retail counterparts, apart from the licensing, support, and upgrading
> restrictions.
>
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> --
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
> having both at once. -- RAH
>
>
> "Carl" <cgerving@ecenetdotcom> wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Hi Yall out there
>>I was looking at the prices of XP at a computer retailer on the net
>
> and
>
>>noticed a big diference in the prices on diferent versions of XP.
>>Like XP Pro upgrade is about $190. and XP Pro oem full is $159. and
>
> it said
>
>>XP Pro was $279.
>>What is the diference between The OEM version and XP Pro at $100.
>
> diference
>
>>in price.
>>Thanks alot
>>Carl
>>--
>>Carl
>>
>>

Great answers, Bruce. I learned a lot myself from your response.


--
Greg K...Intermediate knowledge. Follow any advice at your own risk.

[Carl]

Thank you verry much Bruce, I understant it all now i think,
If i am not particularly interested in Microsoft support i can get as much
out of an oem version that i buy with new hardware as the Retail version
then , is that about right ? I can probably get as good a support here on
the news group as i would get calling microsoft ,since all of YOU
knoledgeble people are out here on the news groups.
I learn a lot reading these news groups.
Thanks again Bruce
Carl
"Bruce Chambers" > wrote in message
...
> Greetings --
>
> There are some very important reasons that an OEM license costs so
> much less than a retail license. OEM licenses are very limited:
>
> 1) OEM versions must be sold with a piece of hardware (normally
> a motherboard or hard drive, if not an entire PC, although Microsoft
> has greatly relaxed the hardware criteria for WinXP) and are
> _permanently_ bound to the first PC on which they are installed. An
> OEM license, once installed, is not legally transferable to another
> computer under any circumstances. This is the main reason some people
> avoid OEM versions; if the PC dies or is otherwise disposed of (even
> stolen), you cannot re-use your OEM license on a new PC. The only
> legitimate way to transfer the ownership of an OEM license is to
> transfer ownership of the entire PC.
>
> 2) Microsoft provides no free support for OEM versions. If you
> have any problems that require outside assistance, your only recourse
> is to contact the manufacturer/builder of the PC or the vendor of the
> OEM license. This would include such issues as lost a Product Key or
> replacing damaged installation media. (Microsoft does make allowances
> for those instances when you can prove that the OEM has gone out of
> business.) This doesn't mean that you can't download patches and
> service packs from Microsoft -- just no free telephone or email
> support for problems with the OS.
>
> 3) An OEM CD cannot be used to perform an upgrade of an earlier
> OS, as it was designed to be installed _only_ upon an empty hard
> drive. It can still be used to perform a repair installation (a.k.a.
> an in-place upgrade) of an existing WinXP installation.
>
> 4) If the OEM CD was designed by a specific manufacturer, such as
> eMachines, Sony, Dell, Gateway, etc., it will most likely only install
> on the same brand of PC, as an additional anti-piracy feature.
> Further, such CDs are severely customized to contain only the minimum
> of device drivers, and a lot of extra nonsense, that the manufacturer
> feels necessary for the specific model of PC for which the CD was
> designed. (To be honest, such CDs should _not_ be available on the
> open market; but, if you're shopping someplace like eBay, swap meets,
> or computer fairs, there's often no telling what you're buying until
> it's too late.) The "generic" OEM CDs, such as are manufactured by
> Microsoft and sold to small systems builders, don't have this
> particular problem, though, and are pretty much the same as their
> retail counterparts, apart from the licensing, support, and upgrading
> restrictions.
>
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> --
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
> having both at once. -- RAH
>
>
> "Carl" <cgerving@ecenetdotcom> wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Hi Yall out there
> > I was looking at the prices of XP at a computer retailer on the net
> and
> > noticed a big diference in the prices on diferent versions of XP.
> > Like XP Pro upgrade is about $190. and XP Pro oem full is $159. and
> it said
> > XP Pro was $279.
> > What is the diference between The OEM version and XP Pro at $100.
> diference
> > in price.
> > Thanks alot
> > Carl
> > --
> > Carl
> >
> >
>
>

[Gus]

Or qualifying media, i.e, win98, winME Cd's, etc

"Nico Tomacelli [MSFT]" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Carl,
>
> The difference between XP Pro and XP Pro Upgrade, is the Upgrade version
> requires you to have a previous operating system on your computer. The
OEM
> version, is the version you would receive without any of the
> packaging/manuals. It's just the CD and CD Key.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Thx,
> Nico Tomacelli
> Microsoft Corp.
> US - Windows Core:SOLID
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
> ================================================== ===
> When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your newsreader
> so that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
> ================================================== ===
> "Carl" <cgerving@ecenetdotcom> wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Hi Yall out there
> > I was looking at the prices of XP at a computer retailer on the net and
> > noticed a big diference in the prices on diferent versions of XP.
> > Like XP Pro upgrade is about $190. and XP Pro oem full is $159. and it
> said
> > XP Pro was $279.
> > What is the diference between The OEM version and XP Pro at $100.
> diference
> > in price.
> > Thanks alot
> > Carl
> > --
> > Carl
> >
> >
>
>

[Lorne Smith]

For someone who claims to work for MS, that's a TERRIBLE answer, and not
wholly correct either! Upgrade version do NOT require you to have a
previous version on your computer, they only require you to either have it
on your computer, or have the original installation CD you can insert to
show you have a previous version... And the OEM is a LOT more than just a
CD and key, the license in the most important part...

Sheesh... you'd think an MS employee would know better... Try reading
Bruce's excellent reply to the OP...

Lorne

"Nico Tomacelli [MSFT]" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Carl,
>
> The difference between XP Pro and XP Pro Upgrade, is the Upgrade version
> requires you to have a previous operating system on your computer. The
OEM
> version, is the version you would receive without any of the
> packaging/manuals. It's just the CD and CD Key.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Thx,
> Nico Tomacelli
> Microsoft Corp.
> US - Windows Core:SOLID
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
> ================================================== ===
> When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your newsreader
> so that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
> ================================================== ===
> "Carl" <cgerving@ecenetdotcom> wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Hi Yall out there
> > I was looking at the prices of XP at a computer retailer on the net and
> > noticed a big diference in the prices on diferent versions of XP.
> > Like XP Pro upgrade is about $190. and XP Pro oem full is $159. and it
> said
> > XP Pro was $279.
> > What is the diference between The OEM version and XP Pro at $100.
> diference
> > in price.
> > Thanks alot
> > Carl
> > --
> > Carl
> >
> >
>
>

[Michael Stevens]

Carl wrote:
> Thank you verry much Bruce, I understant it all now i think,
> If i am not particularly interested in Microsoft support i can get as
> much out of an oem version that i buy with new hardware as the Retail
> version then , is that about right ? I can probably get as good a
> support here on the news group as i would get calling microsoft
> ,since all of YOU knoledgeble people are out here on the news groups.
> I learn a lot reading these news groups.
> Thanks again Bruce
> Carl



Yes, as you seem to understand the limitations and will use the OEM on new
hardware [i.e. motherboard]. When purchasing OEM for old obsolete
motherboards, the OEM is not really a bargain.
Click on or copy and paste the link below into your web browser address box.
OEM clarification.
http://michaelstevenstech.com/oemeula.htm
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Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP

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[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

You're welcome.

Bruce Chambers

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having both at once. -- RAH


"Carl" <cgerving@ecenetdotcom> wrote in message
...
> Thank you verry much Bruce, I understant it all now i think,
> If i am not particularly interested in Microsoft support i can get
as much
> out of an oem version that i buy with new hardware as the Retail
version
> then , is that about right ? I can probably get as good a support
here on
> the news group as i would get calling microsoft ,since all of YOU
> knoledgeble people are out here on the news groups.
> I learn a lot reading these news groups.
> Thanks again Bruce
> Carl