I've given up, someone please tell me the truth...

[John Barnett - MVP]

Elliott first take a few deep breaths and then make a
nice cup of tea (or coffee). It is difficult to give you
guidance on the blue screen because you have supplied no
details, i.e., it could be hardware/software driver
related.
As for a clean install well that is one solution.
Incidentally your bios is on your motherboard and isn't
part of xp. The only way you can delete your bios is by
physically damaging your bios chipset or installing an
incorrect bios update so forget about the bios.
To do a clean install do as follows (i assume your pc is
set to boot from cd?):

Before you start make sure you have backed up any
important data you want to keep onto a floppy or cd. Also
during installation be sure to read each of the setup
screens carefully. You may also need to have avaialble
any cd's or floppies that contain drivers for modems etc
just in case xp doesn't have the required driver.

1/ Insert your XP CD isto your CD-ROM and reboot your
machine
2/ The xp setup will begin
3/ xp will copy files to memory
4/ setup will then search your hard drive for any other
copy of windows
5/ it will find one and will give you two options: a)
Repair b) install new copy
6/ Choose install new copy
7/ The next screen will ask where you want to install the
new copy. Select the C drive
8/ once you press enter to indicate you want to install
on the C drive setup will ask if you want to leave the
file system as it is. This option will be highlighted in
the list on the screen.
9/ You don't want to leave the file system as it is. What
you need to do is reformat your hard drive so select
format in fat32 (or if you prefer format in ntfs). Don't
use the quick format option because this only deletes the
files, use the full format option.
10/ after your drive has been formatted xp will continue
to install.

Hope this helps

John Barnett - MVP
Associate expert

>-----Original Message-----
>I've grown tired of the 'blue screen' nightmare.
>I checked, and all the drivers are signed by microsoft,
>but i still get four or five shutdowns per day.
>
>That alone, makes using a computer more time consuming
>than anything.
>
>I want to go to the beginning. I want to clean my hard
>drive of all it's contents, besides the bios if possible,
>and restore it with a clean copy of windows xp home.
>
>How do i do such a task, is it wise, will it solve any
>problems, or should i just throw the whole box out and
>buy an apple? Is there any help for me other than a
>fresh start? Is there by chance some program written
>which will decypher which 'device driver' that keeps
>shutting my tower off, and delete it?
>
>I grow weary of blue screen, please assist me...
>
>elliott
>.
>

[Chek]

Elliot,
The symptoms sound possibly related to a defective fan letting your CPU or
graphic card (if it has one too) overheat.
Four or five times in a working day could be long enough for the temperature
to go critical.
But really as John says more information about your system and what's
running prior to these crashes is required.
Chek
--
Change' toot' to 'tot' in address to email directly
"John Barnett - MVP" > wrote in message
...
> Elliott first take a few deep breaths and then make a
> nice cup of tea (or coffee). It is difficult to give you
> guidance on the blue screen because you have supplied no
> details, i.e., it could be hardware/software driver
> related.
> As for a clean install well that is one solution.
> Incidentally your bios is on your motherboard and isn't
> part of xp. The only way you can delete your bios is by
> physically damaging your bios chipset or installing an
> incorrect bios update so forget about the bios.
> To do a clean install do as follows (i assume your pc is
> set to boot from cd?):
>
> Before you start make sure you have backed up any
> important data you want to keep onto a floppy or cd. Also
> during installation be sure to read each of the setup
> screens carefully. You may also need to have avaialble
> any cd's or floppies that contain drivers for modems etc
> just in case xp doesn't have the required driver.
>
> 1/ Insert your XP CD isto your CD-ROM and reboot your
> machine
> 2/ The xp setup will begin
> 3/ xp will copy files to memory
> 4/ setup will then search your hard drive for any other
> copy of windows
> 5/ it will find one and will give you two options: a)
> Repair b) install new copy
> 6/ Choose install new copy
> 7/ The next screen will ask where you want to install the
> new copy. Select the C drive
> 8/ once you press enter to indicate you want to install
> on the C drive setup will ask if you want to leave the
> file system as it is. This option will be highlighted in
> the list on the screen.
> 9/ You don't want to leave the file system as it is. What
> you need to do is reformat your hard drive so select
> format in fat32 (or if you prefer format in ntfs). Don't
> use the quick format option because this only deletes the
> files, use the full format option.
> 10/ after your drive has been formatted xp will continue
> to install.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> John Barnett - MVP
> Associate expert
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >I've grown tired of the 'blue screen' nightmare.
> >I checked, and all the drivers are signed by microsoft,
> >but i still get four or five shutdowns per day.
> >
> >That alone, makes using a computer more time consuming
> >than anything.
> >
> >I want to go to the beginning. I want to clean my hard
> >drive of all it's contents, besides the bios if possible,
> >and restore it with a clean copy of windows xp home.
> >
> >How do i do such a task, is it wise, will it solve any
> >problems, or should i just throw the whole box out and
> >buy an apple? Is there any help for me other than a
> >fresh start? Is there by chance some program written
> >which will decypher which 'device driver' that keeps
> >shutting my tower off, and delete it?
> >
> >I grow weary of blue screen, please assist me...
> >
> >elliott
> >.
> >

[elliott]

funny you should say Chek, i noticed after you said such
that my video card nvidia 5200 fx agp, was between two tall
cards, so i gave it some breathing room. (we'll see!)
But, i went into bios set up and checked my pc health and
this is what it said:

cpu temp. 66 c / 150 f
cpu fan 6026 rpm
sys fam 0 rpm

cpu voltage 1.74
3.3 3.21
+5 4.89
+12 12.58



Every fan i can see is working, is this a clue?

I am doing nothing when it shutsdown or blue screen,
(mostly shutsdown) or i am surfing, or i am playing a game.
It does not seem to matter which game or what sort of
surfing i do.

Could it be a faulty update to bios? and how might i check?

thanks,

elliott
>-----Original Message-----
>Elliot,
>The symptoms sound possibly related to a defective fan
letting your CPU or
>graphic card (if it has one too) overheat.
>Four or five times in a working day could be long enough
for the temperature
>to go critical.
>But really as John says more information about your system
and what's
>running prior to these crashes is required.
>Chek
>--
>Change' toot' to 'tot' in address to email directly
>"John Barnett - MVP" >
wrote in message
...
>> Elliott first take a few deep breaths and then make a
>> nice cup of tea (or coffee). It is difficult to give you
>> guidance on the blue screen because you have supplied no
>> details, i.e., it could be hardware/software driver
>> related.
>> As for a clean install well that is one solution.
>> Incidentally your bios is on your motherboard and isn't
>> part of xp. The only way you can delete your bios is by
>> physically damaging your bios chipset or installing an
>> incorrect bios update so forget about the bios.
>> To do a clean install do as follows (i assume your pc is
>> set to boot from cd?):
>>
>> Before you start make sure you have backed up any
>> important data you want to keep onto a floppy or cd. Also
>> during installation be sure to read each of the setup
>> screens carefully. You may also need to have avaialble
>> any cd's or floppies that contain drivers for modems etc
>> just in case xp doesn't have the required driver.
>>
>> 1/ Insert your XP CD isto your CD-ROM and reboot your
>> machine
>> 2/ The xp setup will begin
>> 3/ xp will copy files to memory
>> 4/ setup will then search your hard drive for any other
>> copy of windows
>> 5/ it will find one and will give you two options: a)
>> Repair b) install new copy
>> 6/ Choose install new copy
>> 7/ The next screen will ask where you want to install the
>> new copy. Select the C drive
>> 8/ once you press enter to indicate you want to install
>> on the C drive setup will ask if you want to leave the
>> file system as it is. This option will be highlighted in
>> the list on the screen.
>> 9/ You don't want to leave the file system as it is. What
>> you need to do is reformat your hard drive so select
>> format in fat32 (or if you prefer format in ntfs). Don't
>> use the quick format option because this only deletes the
>> files, use the full format option.
>> 10/ after your drive has been formatted xp will continue
>> to install.
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>> John Barnett - MVP
>> Associate expert
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >I've grown tired of the 'blue screen' nightmare.
>> >I checked, and all the drivers are signed by microsoft,
>> >but i still get four or five shutdowns per day.
>> >
>> >That alone, makes using a computer more time consuming
>> >than anything.
>> >
>> >I want to go to the beginning. I want to clean my hard
>> >drive of all it's contents, besides the bios if possible,
>> >and restore it with a clean copy of windows xp home.
>> >
>> >How do i do such a task, is it wise, will it solve any
>> >problems, or should i just throw the whole box out and
>> >buy an apple? Is there any help for me other than a
>> >fresh start? Is there by chance some program written
>> >which will decypher which 'device driver' that keeps
>> >shutting my tower off, and delete it?
>> >
>> >I grow weary of blue screen, please assist me...
>> >
>> >elliott
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>

[RonK]

Yourn cpu is running too hot. Try running the computer with the case off to
see if the errors stop.


"elliott" > wrote in message
...
> funny you should say Chek, i noticed after you said such
> that my video card nvidia 5200 fx agp, was between two tall
> cards, so i gave it some breathing room. (we'll see!)
> But, i went into bios set up and checked my pc health and
> this is what it said:
>
> cpu temp. 66 c / 150 f
> cpu fan 6026 rpm
> sys fam 0 rpm
>
> cpu voltage 1.74
> 3.3 3.21
> +5 4.89
> +12 12.58
>
>
>
> Every fan i can see is working, is this a clue?
>
> I am doing nothing when it shutsdown or blue screen,
> (mostly shutsdown) or i am surfing, or i am playing a game.
> It does not seem to matter which game or what sort of
> surfing i do.
>
> Could it be a faulty update to bios? and how might i check?
>
> thanks,
>
> elliott
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Elliot,
> >The symptoms sound possibly related to a defective fan
> letting your CPU or
> >graphic card (if it has one too) overheat.
> >Four or five times in a working day could be long enough
> for the temperature
> >to go critical.
> >But really as John says more information about your system
> and what's
> >running prior to these crashes is required.
> >Chek
> >--
> >Change' toot' to 'tot' in address to email directly
> >"John Barnett - MVP" >
> wrote in message
> ...
> >> Elliott first take a few deep breaths and then make a
> >> nice cup of tea (or coffee). It is difficult to give you
> >> guidance on the blue screen because you have supplied no
> >> details, i.e., it could be hardware/software driver
> >> related.
> >> As for a clean install well that is one solution.
> >> Incidentally your bios is on your motherboard and isn't
> >> part of xp. The only way you can delete your bios is by
> >> physically damaging your bios chipset or installing an
> >> incorrect bios update so forget about the bios.
> >> To do a clean install do as follows (i assume your pc is
> >> set to boot from cd?):
> >>
> >> Before you start make sure you have backed up any
> >> important data you want to keep onto a floppy or cd. Also
> >> during installation be sure to read each of the setup
> >> screens carefully. You may also need to have avaialble
> >> any cd's or floppies that contain drivers for modems etc
> >> just in case xp doesn't have the required driver.
> >>
> >> 1/ Insert your XP CD isto your CD-ROM and reboot your
> >> machine
> >> 2/ The xp setup will begin
> >> 3/ xp will copy files to memory
> >> 4/ setup will then search your hard drive for any other
> >> copy of windows
> >> 5/ it will find one and will give you two options: a)
> >> Repair b) install new copy
> >> 6/ Choose install new copy
> >> 7/ The next screen will ask where you want to install the
> >> new copy. Select the C drive
> >> 8/ once you press enter to indicate you want to install
> >> on the C drive setup will ask if you want to leave the
> >> file system as it is. This option will be highlighted in
> >> the list on the screen.
> >> 9/ You don't want to leave the file system as it is. What
> >> you need to do is reformat your hard drive so select
> >> format in fat32 (or if you prefer format in ntfs). Don't
> >> use the quick format option because this only deletes the
> >> files, use the full format option.
> >> 10/ after your drive has been formatted xp will continue
> >> to install.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps
> >>
> >> John Barnett - MVP
> >> Associate expert
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >I've grown tired of the 'blue screen' nightmare.
> >> >I checked, and all the drivers are signed by microsoft,
> >> >but i still get four or five shutdowns per day.
> >> >
> >> >That alone, makes using a computer more time consuming
> >> >than anything.
> >> >
> >> >I want to go to the beginning. I want to clean my hard
> >> >drive of all it's contents, besides the bios if possible,
> >> >and restore it with a clean copy of windows xp home.
> >> >
> >> >How do i do such a task, is it wise, will it solve any
> >> >problems, or should i just throw the whole box out and
> >> >buy an apple? Is there any help for me other than a
> >> >fresh start? Is there by chance some program written
> >> >which will decypher which 'device driver' that keeps
> >> >shutting my tower off, and delete it?
> >> >
> >> >I grow weary of blue screen, please assist me...
> >> >
> >> >elliott
> >> >.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >.
> >

[Chek]

Elliot,
Took awhile but have checked three systems and the average CPU temp works
out at 125f.
Frustratingly I can't find a 'do not exceed' temp. noted on AMD's web site.
So I'm unable to say if the CPU temp is within parameters or not - but it
does seem to be exactly 20 degrees hotter than mine for instance.
I notice the sys fan you reported is reading 0rpm. Some can be thermostat
controlled, but it also might be dead.
Hopefully you'll have had a chance to try Ron's 'case off ' idea and be able
to report back if things improved or not.
Free airflow round the Nvidia can only help, regardless of whether its the
main problem here.
Good luck,
Chek

..
--
Change' toot' to 'tot' in address to email directly

"elliott" > wrote in message
...
> funny you should say Chek, i noticed after you said such
> that my video card nvidia 5200 fx agp, was between two tall
> cards, so i gave it some breathing room. (we'll see!)
> But, i went into bios set up and checked my pc health and
> this is what it said:
>
> cpu temp. 66 c / 150 f
> cpu fan 6026 rpm
> sys fam 0 rpm
>
> cpu voltage 1.74
> 3.3 3.21
> +5 4.89
> +12 12.58
>
>
>
> Every fan i can see is working, is this a clue?
>
> I am doing nothing when it shutsdown or blue screen,
> (mostly shutsdown) or i am surfing, or i am playing a game.
> It does not seem to matter which game or what sort of
> surfing i do.
>
> Could it be a faulty update to bios? and how might i check?
>
> thanks,
>
> elliott
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Elliot,
> >The symptoms sound possibly related to a defective fan
> letting your CPU or
> >graphic card (if it has one too) overheat.
> >Four or five times in a working day could be long enough
> for the temperature
> >to go critical.
> >But really as John says more information about your system
> and what's
> >running prior to these crashes is required.
> >Chek
> >--
> >Change' toot' to 'tot' in address to email directly

[RonK]

What cpu do you have installed ?

"elliott" > wrote in message
...
> funny you should say Chek, i noticed after you said such
> that my video card nvidia 5200 fx agp, was between two tall
> cards, so i gave it some breathing room. (we'll see!)
> But, i went into bios set up and checked my pc health and
> this is what it said:
>
> cpu temp. 66 c / 150 f
> cpu fan 6026 rpm
> sys fam 0 rpm
>
> cpu voltage 1.74
> 3.3 3.21
> +5 4.89
> +12 12.58
>
>
>
> Every fan i can see is working, is this a clue?
>
> I am doing nothing when it shutsdown or blue screen,
> (mostly shutsdown) or i am surfing, or i am playing a game.
> It does not seem to matter which game or what sort of
> surfing i do.
>
> Could it be a faulty update to bios? and how might i check?
>
> thanks,
>
> elliott
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Elliot,
> >The symptoms sound possibly related to a defective fan
> letting your CPU or
> >graphic card (if it has one too) overheat.
> >Four or five times in a working day could be long enough
> for the temperature
> >to go critical.
> >But really as John says more information about your system
> and what's
> >running prior to these crashes is required.
> >Chek
> >--
> >Change' toot' to 'tot' in address to email directly
> >"John Barnett - MVP" >
> wrote in message
> ...
> >> Elliott first take a few deep breaths and then make a
> >> nice cup of tea (or coffee). It is difficult to give you
> >> guidance on the blue screen because you have supplied no
> >> details, i.e., it could be hardware/software driver
> >> related.
> >> As for a clean install well that is one solution.
> >> Incidentally your bios is on your motherboard and isn't
> >> part of xp. The only way you can delete your bios is by
> >> physically damaging your bios chipset or installing an
> >> incorrect bios update so forget about the bios.
> >> To do a clean install do as follows (i assume your pc is
> >> set to boot from cd?):
> >>
> >> Before you start make sure you have backed up any
> >> important data you want to keep onto a floppy or cd. Also
> >> during installation be sure to read each of the setup
> >> screens carefully. You may also need to have avaialble
> >> any cd's or floppies that contain drivers for modems etc
> >> just in case xp doesn't have the required driver.
> >>
> >> 1/ Insert your XP CD isto your CD-ROM and reboot your
> >> machine
> >> 2/ The xp setup will begin
> >> 3/ xp will copy files to memory
> >> 4/ setup will then search your hard drive for any other
> >> copy of windows
> >> 5/ it will find one and will give you two options: a)
> >> Repair b) install new copy
> >> 6/ Choose install new copy
> >> 7/ The next screen will ask where you want to install the
> >> new copy. Select the C drive
> >> 8/ once you press enter to indicate you want to install
> >> on the C drive setup will ask if you want to leave the
> >> file system as it is. This option will be highlighted in
> >> the list on the screen.
> >> 9/ You don't want to leave the file system as it is. What
> >> you need to do is reformat your hard drive so select
> >> format in fat32 (or if you prefer format in ntfs). Don't
> >> use the quick format option because this only deletes the
> >> files, use the full format option.
> >> 10/ after your drive has been formatted xp will continue
> >> to install.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps
> >>
> >> John Barnett - MVP
> >> Associate expert
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >I've grown tired of the 'blue screen' nightmare.
> >> >I checked, and all the drivers are signed by microsoft,
> >> >but i still get four or five shutdowns per day.
> >> >
> >> >That alone, makes using a computer more time consuming
> >> >than anything.
> >> >
> >> >I want to go to the beginning. I want to clean my hard
> >> >drive of all it's contents, besides the bios if possible,
> >> >and restore it with a clean copy of windows xp home.
> >> >
> >> >How do i do such a task, is it wise, will it solve any
> >> >problems, or should i just throw the whole box out and
> >> >buy an apple? Is there any help for me other than a
> >> >fresh start? Is there by chance some program written
> >> >which will decypher which 'device driver' that keeps
> >> >shutting my tower off, and delete it?
> >> >
> >> >I grow weary of blue screen, please assist me...
> >> >
> >> >elliott
> >> >.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >.
> >

[elliott]

thanks guys, i'll give it a try. and maybe buy a new
improved fan for the cpu. btw, all fans are spinning,
it just 'reports' the sysfan as being 'rpm 0' so i think
it's just a faulty reader... or ? what is the sysfan?
it's on the main board, right? that one is spinning like
mad... so, i'll run case off for a while, and let you know
in a while if it helps.

thanks again

e



>-----Original Message-----
>Elliot,
>Took awhile but have checked three systems and the average
CPU temp works
>out at 125f.
>Frustratingly I can't find a 'do not exceed' temp. noted
on AMD's web site.
>So I'm unable to say if the CPU temp is within parameters
or not - but it
>does seem to be exactly 20 degrees hotter than mine for
instance.
>I notice the sys fan you reported is reading 0rpm. Some
can be thermostat
>controlled, but it also might be dead.
>Hopefully you'll have had a chance to try Ron's 'case off
' idea and be able
>to report back if things improved or not.
>Free airflow round the Nvidia can only help, regardless of
whether its the
>main problem here.
>Good luck,
>Chek
>
>..
>--
>Change' toot' to 'tot' in address to email directly
>
>"elliott" > wrote in message
...
>> funny you should say Chek, i noticed after you said such
>> that my video card nvidia 5200 fx agp, was between two tall
>> cards, so i gave it some breathing room. (we'll see!)
>> But, i went into bios set up and checked my pc health and
>> this is what it said:
>>
>> cpu temp. 66 c / 150 f
>> cpu fan 6026 rpm
>> sys fam 0 rpm
>>
>> cpu voltage 1.74
>> 3.3 3.21
>> +5 4.89
>> +12 12.58
>>
>>
>>
>> Every fan i can see is working, is this a clue?
>>
>> I am doing nothing when it shutsdown or blue screen,
>> (mostly shutsdown) or i am surfing, or i am playing a game.
>> It does not seem to matter which game or what sort of
>> surfing i do.
>>
>> Could it be a faulty update to bios? and how might i check?
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> elliott
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >Elliot,
>> >The symptoms sound possibly related to a defective fan
>> letting your CPU or
>> >graphic card (if it has one too) overheat.
>> >Four or five times in a working day could be long enough
>> for the temperature
>> >to go critical.
>> >But really as John says more information about your system
>> and what's
>> >running prior to these crashes is required.
>> >Chek
>> >--
>> >Change' toot' to 'tot' in address to email directly
>
>
>.
>

[RonK]

The system fan would be a case fan that expells the air out the back of the
case - Would be a good idea to install one if you don't have one.

What is your cpu make and model ?

"elliott" > wrote in message
...
> thanks guys, i'll give it a try. and maybe buy a new
> improved fan for the cpu. btw, all fans are spinning,
> it just 'reports' the sysfan as being 'rpm 0' so i think
> it's just a faulty reader... or ? what is the sysfan?
> it's on the main board, right? that one is spinning like
> mad... so, i'll run case off for a while, and let you know
> in a while if it helps.
>
> thanks again
>
> e
>
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Elliot,
> >Took awhile but have checked three systems and the average
> CPU temp works
> >out at 125f.
> >Frustratingly I can't find a 'do not exceed' temp. noted
> on AMD's web site.
> >So I'm unable to say if the CPU temp is within parameters
> or not - but it
> >does seem to be exactly 20 degrees hotter than mine for
> instance.
> >I notice the sys fan you reported is reading 0rpm. Some
> can be thermostat
> >controlled, but it also might be dead.
> >Hopefully you'll have had a chance to try Ron's 'case off
> ' idea and be able
> >to report back if things improved or not.
> >Free airflow round the Nvidia can only help, regardless of
> whether its the
> >main problem here.
> >Good luck,
> >Chek
> >
> >..
> >--
> >Change' toot' to 'tot' in address to email directly
> >
> >"elliott" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> funny you should say Chek, i noticed after you said such
> >> that my video card nvidia 5200 fx agp, was between two tall
> >> cards, so i gave it some breathing room. (we'll see!)
> >> But, i went into bios set up and checked my pc health and
> >> this is what it said:
> >>
> >> cpu temp. 66 c / 150 f
> >> cpu fan 6026 rpm
> >> sys fam 0 rpm
> >>
> >> cpu voltage 1.74
> >> 3.3 3.21
> >> +5 4.89
> >> +12 12.58
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Every fan i can see is working, is this a clue?
> >>
> >> I am doing nothing when it shutsdown or blue screen,
> >> (mostly shutsdown) or i am surfing, or i am playing a game.
> >> It does not seem to matter which game or what sort of
> >> surfing i do.
> >>
> >> Could it be a faulty update to bios? and how might i check?
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >>
> >> elliott
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >Elliot,
> >> >The symptoms sound possibly related to a defective fan
> >> letting your CPU or
> >> >graphic card (if it has one too) overheat.
> >> >Four or five times in a working day could be long enough
> >> for the temperature
> >> >to go critical.
> >> >But really as John says more information about your system
> >> and what's
> >> >running prior to these crashes is required.
> >> >Chek
> >> >--
> >> >Change' toot' to 'tot' in address to email directly
> >
> >
> >.
> >

[elliott]

an amd 2000xp
with a gig of ddr

>-----Original Message-----
>The system fan would be a case fan that expells the air
out the back of the
>case - Would be a good idea to install one if you don't
have one.
>
>What is your cpu make and model ?
>
>"elliott" > wrote in message
...
>> thanks guys, i'll give it a try. and maybe buy a new
>> improved fan for the cpu. btw, all fans are spinning,
>> it just 'reports' the sysfan as being 'rpm 0' so i think
>> it's just a faulty reader... or ? what is the sysfan?
>> it's on the main board, right? that one is spinning like
>> mad... so, i'll run case off for a while, and let you know
>> in a while if it helps.
>>
>> thanks again
>>
>> e
>>
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >Elliot,
>> >Took awhile but have checked three systems and the average
>> CPU temp works
>> >out at 125f.
>> >Frustratingly I can't find a 'do not exceed' temp. noted
>> on AMD's web site.
>> >So I'm unable to say if the CPU temp is within parameters
>> or not - but it
>> >does seem to be exactly 20 degrees hotter than mine for
>> instance.
>> >I notice the sys fan you reported is reading 0rpm. Some
>> can be thermostat
>> >controlled, but it also might be dead.
>> >Hopefully you'll have had a chance to try Ron's 'case off
>> ' idea and be able
>> >to report back if things improved or not.
>> >Free airflow round the Nvidia can only help, regardless of
>> whether its the
>> >main problem here.
>> >Good luck,
>> >Chek
>> >
>> >..
>> >--
>> >Change' toot' to 'tot' in address to email directly
>> >
>> >"elliott" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> funny you should say Chek, i noticed after you said such
>> >> that my video card nvidia 5200 fx agp, was between
two tall
>> >> cards, so i gave it some breathing room. (we'll see!)
>> >> But, i went into bios set up and checked my pc health and
>> >> this is what it said:
>> >>
>> >> cpu temp. 66 c / 150 f
>> >> cpu fan 6026 rpm
>> >> sys fam 0 rpm
>> >>
>> >> cpu voltage 1.74
>> >> 3.3 3.21
>> >> +5 4.89
>> >> +12 12.58
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Every fan i can see is working, is this a clue?
>> >>
>> >> I am doing nothing when it shutsdown or blue screen,
>> >> (mostly shutsdown) or i am surfing, or i am playing a
game.
>> >> It does not seem to matter which game or what sort of
>> >> surfing i do.
>> >>
>> >> Could it be a faulty update to bios? and how might i
check?
>> >>
>> >> thanks,
>> >>
>> >> elliott
>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >Elliot,
>> >> >The symptoms sound possibly related to a defective fan
>> >> letting your CPU or
>> >> >graphic card (if it has one too) overheat.
>> >> >Four or five times in a working day could be long enough
>> >> for the temperature
>> >> >to go critical.
>> >> >But really as John says more information about your
system
>> >> and what's
>> >> >running prior to these crashes is required.
>> >> >Chek
>> >> >--
>> >> >Change' toot' to 'tot' in address to email directly
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
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