System Restore doesn't

[Jerry]

Running XP Pro w/SP1 and IE6 w/SP1.

Tried to download and install files from WindowsUpdate site. Download went
fine; install never started.

After much gnashing of teeth and swearing at computer I determined problem
was System Restore was not working and the required restore point could not
be created.

Turned off System Restore and proceeded to download and install all
updates/patches/fixes/etc from WindowsUpdate.

XP Pro runs just fine.

What is causing problem with System Restore? (NOTE: I do not have RealPlayer
installed; as mentioned in an earlier posting.)

Jerry

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Jerry;
System Restore and windows Update should have no connection.
Are you saying Windows Update did not work, but started after you
turned off System Restore?
If so, what exactly was happening when you tried Windows Update when
it failed?
How did you turn off System Restore?
Did you turn System Restore back on? If so When?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.


"Jerry" > wrote in message
...
> Running XP Pro w/SP1 and IE6 w/SP1.
>
> Tried to download and install files from WindowsUpdate site.
Download went
> fine; install never started.
>
> After much gnashing of teeth and swearing at computer I determined
problem
> was System Restore was not working and the required restore point
could not
> be created.
>
> Turned off System Restore and proceeded to download and install all
> updates/patches/fixes/etc from WindowsUpdate.
>
> XP Pro runs just fine.
>
> What is causing problem with System Restore? (NOTE: I do not have
RealPlayer
> installed; as mentioned in an earlier posting.)
>
> Jerry

[Jerry]

Control Panel > System > System Restore and put a check in the box: Turn off
System Restore on all drives. That's how.

As I said in my original message: WindowsUpdate Download was ok;
installation failed. Even if I tried to do one file at a time the download
was ok, the installation failed.

System Restore has not been turned back on.

System Restore and WindowsUpdate do have a connection because when an update
is attempted System Restore attempts, or is required, to create a restore
point before allowing the installation of the downloaded files to proceed
and that was not happening. The files were being sent to my machine but when
installation was attempted it failed and I say it failed because the restore
point could not be created. Period!!!.

So, again, why is this happening?

Jerry (not an MVP)

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> Jerry;
> System Restore and windows Update should have no connection.
> Are you saying Windows Update did not work, but started after you
> turned off System Restore?
> If so, what exactly was happening when you tried Windows Update when
> it failed?
> How did you turn off System Restore?
> Did you turn System Restore back on? If so When?
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
> Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
>
>
> "Jerry" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Running XP Pro w/SP1 and IE6 w/SP1.
> >
> > Tried to download and install files from WindowsUpdate site.
> Download went
> > fine; install never started.
> >
> > After much gnashing of teeth and swearing at computer I determined
> problem
> > was System Restore was not working and the required restore point
> could not
> > be created.
> >
> > Turned off System Restore and proceeded to download and install all
> > updates/patches/fixes/etc from WindowsUpdate.
> >
> > XP Pro runs just fine.
> >
> > What is causing problem with System Restore? (NOTE: I do not have
> RealPlayer
> > installed; as mentioned in an earlier posting.)
> >
> > Jerry
>
>

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Jerry;
I wish I knew the answer why, then I would have less questions.

Does it fail again after you turn back on system Restore?
Turning off/on System Restore eliminates corrupted files that often
cause issues with System Restore, although I have not heard of this
type of issue before.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.


"Jerry" > wrote in message
...
> Control Panel > System > System Restore and put a check in the box:
Turn off
> System Restore on all drives. That's how.
>
> As I said in my original message: WindowsUpdate Download was ok;
> installation failed. Even if I tried to do one file at a time the
download
> was ok, the installation failed.
>
> System Restore has not been turned back on.
>
> System Restore and WindowsUpdate do have a connection because when
an update
> is attempted System Restore attempts, or is required, to create a
restore
> point before allowing the installation of the downloaded files to
proceed
> and that was not happening. The files were being sent to my machine
but when
> installation was attempted it failed and I say it failed because the
restore
> point could not be created. Period!!!.
>
> So, again, why is this happening?
>
> Jerry (not an MVP)
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Jerry;
> > System Restore and windows Update should have no connection.
> > Are you saying Windows Update did not work, but started after you
> > turned off System Restore?
> > If so, what exactly was happening when you tried Windows Update
when
> > it failed?
> > How did you turn off System Restore?
> > Did you turn System Restore back on? If so When?
> >
> > --
> > Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> > An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
> > Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
> >
> >
> > "Jerry" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Running XP Pro w/SP1 and IE6 w/SP1.
> > >
> > > Tried to download and install files from WindowsUpdate site.
> > Download went
> > > fine; install never started.
> > >
> > > After much gnashing of teeth and swearing at computer I
determined
> > problem
> > > was System Restore was not working and the required restore
point
> > could not
> > > be created.
> > >
> > > Turned off System Restore and proceeded to download and install
all
> > > updates/patches/fixes/etc from WindowsUpdate.
> > >
> > > XP Pro runs just fine.
> > >
> > > What is causing problem with System Restore? (NOTE: I do not
have
> > RealPlayer
> > > installed; as mentioned in an earlier posting.)
> > >
> > > Jerry
> >
> >
>
>

[Jerry]

Jupiter,

System Restore has not been turned back on and I see no reason to do so in
light of the problems I was having. Besides, since I was able to install all
the updates,etc at the WindowsUpdate site turning it back on would prove
nothing till the next time I find updates and try to download and install
them. That could be quite a whiel.

Jerry

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> Jerry;
> I wish I knew the answer why, then I would have less questions.
>
> Does it fail again after you turn back on system Restore?
> Turning off/on System Restore eliminates corrupted files that often
> cause issues with System Restore, although I have not heard of this
> type of issue before.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
> Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
>
>
> "Jerry" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Control Panel > System > System Restore and put a check in the box:
> Turn off
> > System Restore on all drives. That's how.
> >
> > As I said in my original message: WindowsUpdate Download was ok;
> > installation failed. Even if I tried to do one file at a time the
> download
> > was ok, the installation failed.
> >
> > System Restore has not been turned back on.
> >
> > System Restore and WindowsUpdate do have a connection because when
> an update
> > is attempted System Restore attempts, or is required, to create a
> restore
> > point before allowing the installation of the downloaded files to
> proceed
> > and that was not happening. The files were being sent to my machine
> but when
> > installation was attempted it failed and I say it failed because the
> restore
> > point could not be created. Period!!!.
> >
> > So, again, why is this happening?
> >
> > Jerry (not an MVP)
> >
> > "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Jerry;
> > > System Restore and windows Update should have no connection.
> > > Are you saying Windows Update did not work, but started after you
> > > turned off System Restore?
> > > If so, what exactly was happening when you tried Windows Update
> when
> > > it failed?
> > > How did you turn off System Restore?
> > > Did you turn System Restore back on? If so When?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> > > An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
> > > Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Jerry" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Running XP Pro w/SP1 and IE6 w/SP1.
> > > >
> > > > Tried to download and install files from WindowsUpdate site.
> > > Download went
> > > > fine; install never started.
> > > >
> > > > After much gnashing of teeth and swearing at computer I
> determined
> > > problem
> > > > was System Restore was not working and the required restore
> point
> > > could not
> > > > be created.
> > > >
> > > > Turned off System Restore and proceeded to download and install
> all
> > > > updates/patches/fixes/etc from WindowsUpdate.
> > > >
> > > > XP Pro runs just fine.
> > > >
> > > > What is causing problem with System Restore? (NOTE: I do not
> have
> > > RealPlayer
> > > > installed; as mentioned in an earlier posting.)
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Sharon F]

Interesting problem. Do you have some of the XP services disabled? Task
scheduling service, for example, needs to be enabled for System Restore to
work. It's also possible there was some corruption in the old store causing
some difficulty for Windows Update when it went to create a new restore
point. Like others have mentioned, I haven't seen any mention that the
failure to create a restore point causes an update to die out at the install
stage. If antivirus is running, it may slow up things up quite a bit. There
could be quite a few new files (the type that especially interest those
programs) and critical system changes keeping it busy.

--
Sharon F
Microsoft MVP, Windows - Shell/User



Jerry wrote:
> Jupiter,
>
> System Restore has not been turned back on and I see no reason to do so in
> light of the problems I was having. Besides, since I was able to install
all
> the updates,etc at the WindowsUpdate site turning it back on would prove
> nothing till the next time I find updates and try to download and install
> them. That could be quite a whiel.
>
> Jerry
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Jerry;
>> I wish I knew the answer why, then I would have less questions.
>>
>> Does it fail again after you turn back on system Restore?
>> Turning off/on System Restore eliminates corrupted files that often
>> cause issues with System Restore, although I have not heard of this
>> type of issue before.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
>> Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
>>
>>
>> "Jerry" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Control Panel > System > System Restore and put a check in the box: Turn
>>> off System Restore on all drives. That's how.
>>>
>>> As I said in my original message: WindowsUpdate Download was ok;
>>> installation failed. Even if I tried to do one file at a time the
download
>>> was ok, the installation failed.
>>>
>>> System Restore has not been turned back on.
>>>
>>> System Restore and WindowsUpdate do have a connection because when
>> an update
>>> is attempted System Restore attempts, or is required, to create a
restore
>>> point before allowing the installation of the downloaded files to
proceed
>>> and that was not happening. The files were being sent to my machine
>> but when
>>> installation was attempted it failed and I say it failed because the
>>> restore point could not be created. Period!!!.
>>>
>>> So, again, why is this happening?
>>>
>>> Jerry (not an MVP)
>>>
>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Jerry;
>>>> System Restore and windows Update should have no connection.
>>>> Are you saying Windows Update did not work, but started after you
>>>> turned off System Restore?
>>>> If so, what exactly was happening when you tried Windows Update
>> when
>>>> it failed?
>>>> How did you turn off System Restore?
>>>> Did you turn System Restore back on? If so When?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>>> An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
>>>> Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jerry" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Running XP Pro w/SP1 and IE6 w/SP1.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tried to download and install files from WindowsUpdate site. Download
>>>>> went fine; install never started.
>>>>>
>>>>> After much gnashing of teeth and swearing at computer I determined
>>>>> problem was System Restore was not working and the required restore
>>>>> point could not be created.
>>>>>
>>>>> Turned off System Restore and proceeded to download and install
>> all
>>>>> updates/patches/fixes/etc from WindowsUpdate.
>>>>>
>>>>> XP Pro runs just fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is causing problem with System Restore? (NOTE: I do not have
>>>>> RealPlayer installed; as mentioned in an earlier posting.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Jerry

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Jerry;
At least the apparent source is known and the problem is at least
partially solved..
I will remember it and try turning of System Restore in the future to
see what the results are.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.


"Jerry" > wrote in message
...
> Jupiter,
>
> System Restore has not been turned back on and I see no reason to do
so in
> light of the problems I was having. Besides, since I was able to
install all
> the updates,etc at the WindowsUpdate site turning it back on would
prove
> nothing till the next time I find updates and try to download and
install
> them. That could be quite a whiel.
>
> Jerry
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Jerry;
> > I wish I knew the answer why, then I would have less questions.
> >
> > Does it fail again after you turn back on system Restore?
> > Turning off/on System Restore eliminates corrupted files that
often
> > cause issues with System Restore, although I have not heard of
this
> > type of issue before.
> >
> > --
> > Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> > An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
> > Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
> >
> >
> > "Jerry" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Control Panel > System > System Restore and put a check in the
box:
> > Turn off
> > > System Restore on all drives. That's how.
> > >
> > > As I said in my original message: WindowsUpdate Download was ok;
> > > installation failed. Even if I tried to do one file at a time
the
> > download
> > > was ok, the installation failed.
> > >
> > > System Restore has not been turned back on.
> > >
> > > System Restore and WindowsUpdate do have a connection because
when
> > an update
> > > is attempted System Restore attempts, or is required, to create
a
> > restore
> > > point before allowing the installation of the downloaded files
to
> > proceed
> > > and that was not happening. The files were being sent to my
machine
> > but when
> > > installation was attempted it failed and I say it failed because
the
> > restore
> > > point could not be created. Period!!!.
> > >
> > > So, again, why is this happening?
> > >
> > > Jerry (not an MVP)
> > >
> > > "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in
message
> > > ...
> > > > Jerry;
> > > > System Restore and windows Update should have no connection.
> > > > Are you saying Windows Update did not work, but started after
you
> > > > turned off System Restore?
> > > > If so, what exactly was happening when you tried Windows
Update
> > when
> > > > it failed?
> > > > How did you turn off System Restore?
> > > > Did you turn System Restore back on? If so When?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> > > > An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
> > > >
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
> > > > Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Jerry" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Running XP Pro w/SP1 and IE6 w/SP1.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tried to download and install files from WindowsUpdate site.
> > > > Download went
> > > > > fine; install never started.
> > > > >
> > > > > After much gnashing of teeth and swearing at computer I
> > determined
> > > > problem
> > > > > was System Restore was not working and the required restore
> > point
> > > > could not
> > > > > be created.
> > > > >
> > > > > Turned off System Restore and proceeded to download and
install
> > all
> > > > > updates/patches/fixes/etc from WindowsUpdate.
> > > > >
> > > > > XP Pro runs just fine.
> > > > >
> > > > > What is causing problem with System Restore? (NOTE: I do not
> > have
> > > > RealPlayer
> > > > > installed; as mentioned in an earlier posting.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Jerry

[Jerry]

Sharon,

Explain - services disabled? What services?

I checked Accessories > System Tools > Task Scheduler and these was nothing
being scheduled.

I re-invoked System Restore and rebooted. Checked System Restore and there
were NO restore points; which SHOULD have been automnatically created. Tried
to create my own and could not. System Resore gave a NOT RESPONDING in the
Task Mnager and I had to reboot to get control back.

There is NO antivirus software running.

Jerry
"Sharon F" > wrote in message
...
> Interesting problem. Do you have some of the XP services disabled? Task
> scheduling service, for example, needs to be enabled for System Restore to
> work. It's also possible there was some corruption in the old store
causing
> some difficulty for Windows Update when it went to create a new restore
> point. Like others have mentioned, I haven't seen any mention that the
> failure to create a restore point causes an update to die out at the
install
> stage. If antivirus is running, it may slow up things up quite a bit.
There
> could be quite a few new files (the type that especially interest those
> programs) and critical system changes keeping it busy.
>
> --
> Sharon F
> Microsoft MVP, Windows - Shell/User
>
>
>
> Jerry wrote:
> > Jupiter,
> >
> > System Restore has not been turned back on and I see no reason to do so
in
> > light of the problems I was having. Besides, since I was able to install
> all
> > the updates,etc at the WindowsUpdate site turning it back on would prove
> > nothing till the next time I find updates and try to download and
install
> > them. That could be quite a whiel.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Jerry;
> >> I wish I knew the answer why, then I would have less questions.
> >>
> >> Does it fail again after you turn back on system Restore?
> >> Turning off/on System Restore eliminates corrupted files that often
> >> cause issues with System Restore, although I have not heard of this
> >> type of issue before.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> >> An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
> >> Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Jerry" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> Control Panel > System > System Restore and put a check in the box:
Turn
> >>> off System Restore on all drives. That's how.
> >>>
> >>> As I said in my original message: WindowsUpdate Download was ok;
> >>> installation failed. Even if I tried to do one file at a time the
> download
> >>> was ok, the installation failed.
> >>>
> >>> System Restore has not been turned back on.
> >>>
> >>> System Restore and WindowsUpdate do have a connection because when
> >> an update
> >>> is attempted System Restore attempts, or is required, to create a
> restore
> >>> point before allowing the installation of the downloaded files to
> proceed
> >>> and that was not happening. The files were being sent to my machine
> >> but when
> >>> installation was attempted it failed and I say it failed because the
> >>> restore point could not be created. Period!!!.
> >>>
> >>> So, again, why is this happening?
> >>>
> >>> Jerry (not an MVP)
> >>>
> >>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>> Jerry;
> >>>> System Restore and windows Update should have no connection.
> >>>> Are you saying Windows Update did not work, but started after you
> >>>> turned off System Restore?
> >>>> If so, what exactly was happening when you tried Windows Update
> >> when
> >>>> it failed?
> >>>> How did you turn off System Restore?
> >>>> Did you turn System Restore back on? If so When?
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> >>>> An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
> >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
> >>>> Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "Jerry" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>>> Running XP Pro w/SP1 and IE6 w/SP1.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tried to download and install files from WindowsUpdate site.
Download
> >>>>> went fine; install never started.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> After much gnashing of teeth and swearing at computer I determined
> >>>>> problem was System Restore was not working and the required restore
> >>>>> point could not be created.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Turned off System Restore and proceeded to download and install
> >> all
> >>>>> updates/patches/fixes/etc from WindowsUpdate.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> XP Pro runs just fine.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What is causing problem with System Restore? (NOTE: I do not have
> >>>>> RealPlayer installed; as mentioned in an earlier posting.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jerry
>

[Sharon F]

Jerry wrote:
> Sharon,
>
> Explain - services disabled? What services?

System services support various features within the operating system. (Third
party programs may add non-Microsoft services to your configuration.) Folks
coming to XP from a Win9x background are used to watching background
processes and programs like hawks and are accustomed to disabling
unnecessary startup items. The first look they get at Task Manager's list of
processes can be alarming. They often end up in the Services area
(services.msc) disabling items that look like something they don't need.
Unfortunately, dependent services will also become inoperable.

You mention not using Task Scheduler. I don't use it either. The program is
disabled on my systems but I keep the Task Scheduler service enabled because
other features in the operating system are dependent on it. Although not
listed in the Task Scheduler program interface, System Restore and other PC
Health features rely on this service. You also, and more importantly, need
the System Restore Service enabled.

> I checked Accessories > System Tools > Task Scheduler and these was
nothing
> being scheduled.
>
> I re-invoked System Restore and rebooted. Checked System Restore and there
> were NO restore points; which SHOULD have been automnatically created.
Tried
> to create my own and could not. System Resore gave a NOT RESPONDING in the
> Task Mnager and I had to reboot to get control back.
>
> There is NO antivirus software running.
>
> Jerry

Yes, an initial restore point should be created automatically when System
Restore is started. Any notes in Event Viewer about why System Restore is
"not responding"?

An article you may want to check out:
Troubleshooting System Restore in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;302796

Here's a link to the TechNet section dealing with troubleshooting System
Restore:
http://microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/itcommunity/Newsgroups/FAQSRWXP.asp


--
Sharon F
Microsoft MVP, Windows - Shell/User
=============================================

> "Sharon F" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Interesting problem. Do you have some of the XP services disabled? Task
>> scheduling service, for example, needs to be enabled for System Restore
to
>> work. It's also possible there was some corruption in the old store
causing
>> some difficulty for Windows Update when it went to create a new restore
>> point. Like others have mentioned, I haven't seen any mention that the
>> failure to create a restore point causes an update to die out at the
>> install stage. If antivirus is running, it may slow up things up quite a
>> bit. There could be quite a few new files (the type that especially
>> interest those programs) and critical system changes keeping it busy.
>>
>> --
>> Sharon F
>> Microsoft MVP, Windows - Shell/User
>>
>>
>>
>> Jerry wrote:
>>> Jupiter,
>>>
>>> System Restore has not been turned back on and I see no reason to do so
in
>>> light of the problems I was having. Besides, since I was able to install
>>> all the updates,etc at the WindowsUpdate site turning it back on would
>>> prove nothing till the next time I find updates and try to download and
>>> install them. That could be quite a whiel.
>>>
>>> Jerry
>>>
>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Jerry;
>>>> I wish I knew the answer why, then I would have less questions.
>>>>
>>>> Does it fail again after you turn back on system Restore?
>>>> Turning off/on System Restore eliminates corrupted files that often
>>>> cause issues with System Restore, although I have not heard of this
>>>> type of issue before.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>>> An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
>>>> Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jerry" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Control Panel > System > System Restore and put a check in the box:
Turn
>>>>> off System Restore on all drives. That's how.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said in my original message: WindowsUpdate Download was ok;
>>>>> installation failed. Even if I tried to do one file at a time the
>>>>> download was ok, the installation failed.
>>>>>
>>>>> System Restore has not been turned back on.
>>>>>
>>>>> System Restore and WindowsUpdate do have a connection because when
>>>> an update
>>>>> is attempted System Restore attempts, or is required, to create a
>>>>> restore point before allowing the installation of the downloaded files
>>>>> to proceed and that was not happening. The files were being sent to my
>>>>> machine but when installation was attempted it failed and I say it
>>>>> failed because the restore point could not be created. Period!!!.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, again, why is this happening?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jerry (not an MVP)
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Jerry;
>>>>>> System Restore and windows Update should have no connection.
>>>>>> Are you saying Windows Update did not work, but started after you
>>>>>> turned off System Restore?
>>>>>> If so, what exactly was happening when you tried Windows Update
>>>> when
>>>>>> it failed?
>>>>>> How did you turn off System Restore?
>>>>>> Did you turn System Restore back on? If so When?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>>>>> An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
>>>>>> Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jerry" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Running XP Pro w/SP1 and IE6 w/SP1.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tried to download and install files from WindowsUpdate site.
Download
>>>>>>> went fine; install never started.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After much gnashing of teeth and swearing at computer I determined
>>>>>>> problem was System Restore was not working and the required restore
>>>>>>> point could not be created.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Turned off System Restore and proceeded to download and install
>>>> all
>>>>>>> updates/patches/fixes/etc from WindowsUpdate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> XP Pro runs just fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is causing problem with System Restore? (NOTE: I do not have
>>>>>>> RealPlayer installed; as mentioned in an earlier posting.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jerry

[Jerry]

Sharon,

Services I understand now. I have not changed anything in it since
installing XP Pro but I have no idea right now as to what's in it.

Why should I leave System Restore running if it's not doing it's job by
creating restore points? It's useless right now - no restore points.

Jerry
"Sharon F" > wrote in message
...
> Jerry wrote:
> > Sharon,
> >
> > Explain - services disabled? What services?
>
> System services support various features within the operating system.
(Third
> party programs may add non-Microsoft services to your configuration.)
Folks
> coming to XP from a Win9x background are used to watching background
> processes and programs like hawks and are accustomed to disabling
> unnecessary startup items. The first look they get at Task Manager's list
of
> processes can be alarming. They often end up in the Services area
> (services.msc) disabling items that look like something they don't need.
> Unfortunately, dependent services will also become inoperable.
>
> You mention not using Task Scheduler. I don't use it either. The program
is
> disabled on my systems but I keep the Task Scheduler service enabled
because
> other features in the operating system are dependent on it. Although not
> listed in the Task Scheduler program interface, System Restore and other
PC
> Health features rely on this service. You also, and more importantly, need
> the System Restore Service enabled.
>
> > I checked Accessories > System Tools > Task Scheduler and these was
> nothing
> > being scheduled.
> >
> > I re-invoked System Restore and rebooted. Checked System Restore and
there
> > were NO restore points; which SHOULD have been automnatically created.
> Tried
> > to create my own and could not. System Resore gave a NOT RESPONDING in
the
> > Task Mnager and I had to reboot to get control back.
> >
> > There is NO antivirus software running.
> >
> > Jerry
>
> Yes, an initial restore point should be created automatically when System
> Restore is started. Any notes in Event Viewer about why System Restore is
> "not responding"?
>
> An article you may want to check out:
> Troubleshooting System Restore in Windows XP
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;302796
>
> Here's a link to the TechNet section dealing with troubleshooting System
> Restore:
>
http://microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/itcommunity/Newsgroups/FAQSRWXP.asp
>
>
> --
> Sharon F
> Microsoft MVP, Windows - Shell/User
> =============================================
>
> > "Sharon F" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Interesting problem. Do you have some of the XP services disabled? Task
> >> scheduling service, for example, needs to be enabled for System Restore
> to
> >> work. It's also possible there was some corruption in the old store
> causing
> >> some difficulty for Windows Update when it went to create a new restore
> >> point. Like others have mentioned, I haven't seen any mention that the
> >> failure to create a restore point causes an update to die out at the
> >> install stage. If antivirus is running, it may slow up things up quite
a
> >> bit. There could be quite a few new files (the type that especially
> >> interest those programs) and critical system changes keeping it busy.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sharon F
> >> Microsoft MVP, Windows - Shell/User
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jerry wrote:
> >>> Jupiter,
> >>>
> >>> System Restore has not been turned back on and I see no reason to do
so
> in
> >>> light of the problems I was having. Besides, since I was able to
install
> >>> all the updates,etc at the WindowsUpdate site turning it back on would
> >>> prove nothing till the next time I find updates and try to download
and
> >>> install them. That could be quite a whiel.
> >>>
> >>> Jerry
> >>>
> >>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>> Jerry;
> >>>> I wish I knew the answer why, then I would have less questions.
> >>>>
> >>>> Does it fail again after you turn back on system Restore?
> >>>> Turning off/on System Restore eliminates corrupted files that often
> >>>> cause issues with System Restore, although I have not heard of this
> >>>> type of issue before.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> >>>> An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
> >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
> >>>> Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "Jerry" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>>> Control Panel > System > System Restore and put a check in the box:
> Turn
> >>>>> off System Restore on all drives. That's how.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As I said in my original message: WindowsUpdate Download was ok;
> >>>>> installation failed. Even if I tried to do one file at a time the
> >>>>> download was ok, the installation failed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> System Restore has not been turned back on.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> System Restore and WindowsUpdate do have a connection because when
> >>>> an update
> >>>>> is attempted System Restore attempts, or is required, to create a
> >>>>> restore point before allowing the installation of the downloaded
files
> >>>>> to proceed and that was not happening. The files were being sent to
my
> >>>>> machine but when installation was attempted it failed and I say it
> >>>>> failed because the restore point could not be created. Period!!!.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, again, why is this happening?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jerry (not an MVP)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
> >>>>> ...
> >>>>>> Jerry;
> >>>>>> System Restore and windows Update should have no connection.
> >>>>>> Are you saying Windows Update did not work, but started after you
> >>>>>> turned off System Restore?
> >>>>>> If so, what exactly was happening when you tried Windows Update
> >>>> when
> >>>>>> it failed?
> >>>>>> How did you turn off System Restore?
> >>>>>> Did you turn System Restore back on? If so When?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> >>>>>> An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
> >>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
> >>>>>> Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Jerry" > wrote in message
> >>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>> Running XP Pro w/SP1 and IE6 w/SP1.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Tried to download and install files from WindowsUpdate site.
> Download
> >>>>>>> went fine; install never started.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> After much gnashing of teeth and swearing at computer I determined
> >>>>>>> problem was System Restore was not working and the required
restore
> >>>>>>> point could not be created.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Turned off System Restore and proceeded to download and install
> >>>> all
> >>>>>>> updates/patches/fixes/etc from WindowsUpdate.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> XP Pro runs just fine.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What is causing problem with System Restore? (NOTE: I do not have
> >>>>>>> RealPlayer installed; as mentioned in an earlier posting.)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jerry
>

[Sharon F]

If you don't want to use System Restore, you don't have to Jerry. That's an
option too. I thought you posted because you wanted to work again. Sorry if
I misunderstood. :)

Personally, I like the feature. I've been running a bit of beta software
this year and System Restore has saved me from a lot of work when I've hit a
few glitches. I never rely on it for going back more than a week. Usually
take a restore point in the last day or so. And I manually set a restore
point before installing software or hardware.

I was doing some system changes today. At one point System Restore was
"suspended" due to lack of space on the hard drive. I cleaned up temp files
and moved my swapfile to another hard drive. After a restart, System Restore
went back monitoring but a new restore point wasn't created until I opened
the application for the first time after the reset.

--
Sharon F
Microsoft MVP, Windows - Shell/User

Jerry wrote:
> Sharon,
>
> Services I understand now. I have not changed anything in it since
> installing XP Pro but I have no idea right now as to what's in it.
>
> Why should I leave System Restore running if it's not doing it's job by
> creating restore points? It's useless right now - no restore points.
>
> Jerry
> "Sharon F" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Jerry wrote:
>>> Sharon,
>>>
>>> Explain - services disabled? What services?
>>
>> System services support various features within the operating system.
> (Third
>> party programs may add non-Microsoft services to your configuration.)
> Folks
>> coming to XP from a Win9x background are used to watching background
>> processes and programs like hawks and are accustomed to disabling
>> unnecessary startup items. The first look they get at Task Manager's list
> of
>> processes can be alarming. They often end up in the Services area
>> (services.msc) disabling items that look like something they don't need.
>> Unfortunately, dependent services will also become inoperable.
>>
>> You mention not using Task Scheduler. I don't use it either. The program
> is
>> disabled on my systems but I keep the Task Scheduler service enabled
> because
>> other features in the operating system are dependent on it. Although not
>> listed in the Task Scheduler program interface, System Restore and other
> PC
>> Health features rely on this service. You also, and more importantly,
need
>> the System Restore Service enabled.
>>
>>> I checked Accessories > System Tools > Task Scheduler and these was
>> nothing
>>> being scheduled.
>>>
>>> I re-invoked System Restore and rebooted. Checked System Restore and
> there
>>> were NO restore points; which SHOULD have been automnatically created.
>> Tried
>>> to create my own and could not. System Resore gave a NOT RESPONDING in
> the
>>> Task Mnager and I had to reboot to get control back.
>>>
>>> There is NO antivirus software running.
>>>
>>> Jerry
>>
>> Yes, an initial restore point should be created automatically when System
>> Restore is started. Any notes in Event Viewer about why System Restore is
>> "not responding"?
>>
>> An article you may want to check out:
>> Troubleshooting System Restore in Windows XP
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;302796
>>
>> Here's a link to the TechNet section dealing with troubleshooting System
>> Restore:
>>
>
http://microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/itcommunity/Newsgroups/FAQSRWXP.asp
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sharon F
>> Microsoft MVP, Windows - Shell/User
>> =============================================
>>
>>> "Sharon F" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Interesting problem. Do you have some of the XP services disabled? Task
>>>> scheduling service, for example, needs to be enabled for System Restore
>> to
>>>> work. It's also possible there was some corruption in the old store
>> causing
>>>> some difficulty for Windows Update when it went to create a new restore
>>>> point. Like others have mentioned, I haven't seen any mention that the
>>>> failure to create a restore point causes an update to die out at the
>>>> install stage. If antivirus is running, it may slow up things up quite
> a
>>>> bit. There could be quite a few new files (the type that especially
>>>> interest those programs) and critical system changes keeping it busy.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sharon F
>>>> Microsoft MVP, Windows - Shell/User
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jerry wrote:
>>>>> Jupiter,
>>>>>
>>>>> System Restore has not been turned back on and I see no reason to do
so
>>>>> in
>>>>> light of the problems I was having. Besides, since I was able to
> install
>>>>> all the updates,etc at the WindowsUpdate site turning it back on would
>>>>> prove nothing till the next time I find updates and try to download
> and
>>>>> install them. That could be quite a whiel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jerry
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Jerry;
>>>>>> I wish I knew the answer why, then I would have less questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does it fail again after you turn back on system Restore?
>>>>>> Turning off/on System Restore eliminates corrupted files that often
>>>>>> cause issues with System Restore, although I have not heard of this
>>>>>> type of issue before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>>>>> An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
>>>>>> Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jerry" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Control Panel > System > System Restore and put a check in the box:
>> Turn
>>>>>>> off System Restore on all drives. That's how.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I said in my original message: WindowsUpdate Download was ok;
>>>>>>> installation failed. Even if I tried to do one file at a time the
>>>>>>> download was ok, the installation failed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> System Restore has not been turned back on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> System Restore and WindowsUpdate do have a connection because when
>>>>>> an update
>>>>>>> is attempted System Restore attempts, or is required, to create a
>>>>>>> restore point before allowing the installation of the downloaded
> files
>>>>>>> to proceed and that was not happening. The files were being sent to
> my
>>>>>>> machine but when installation was attempted it failed and I say it
>>>>>>> failed because the restore point could not be created. Period!!!.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, again, why is this happening?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jerry (not an MVP)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> Jerry;
>>>>>>>> System Restore and windows Update should have no connection.
>>>>>>>> Are you saying Windows Update did not work, but started after you
>>>>>>>> turned off System Restore?
>>>>>>>> If so, what exactly was happening when you tried Windows Update
>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> it failed?
>>>>>>>> How did you turn off System Restore?
>>>>>>>> Did you turn System Restore back on? If so When?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>>>>>>> An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
>>>>>>>> Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Jerry" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> Running XP Pro w/SP1 and IE6 w/SP1.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tried to download and install files from WindowsUpdate site.
>> Download
>>>>>>>>> went fine; install never started.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> After much gnashing of teeth and swearing at computer I determined
>>>>>>>>> problem was System Restore was not working and the required
> restore
>>>>>>>>> point could not be created.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Turned off System Restore and proceeded to download and install
>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> updates/patches/fixes/etc from WindowsUpdate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> XP Pro runs just fine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What is causing problem with System Restore? (NOTE: I do not have
>>>>>>>>> RealPlayer installed; as mentioned in an earlier posting.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jerry

[Jerry]

Sharon,

Your comments don't address the problem.

System Restore is not working and, if turned on, it prevents updates from
being installed from the WindowsUpdate site. I'm well aware of its
capabilities.

Again, what is the connection between a System Restore that's turned on but
incapable of creating restore points and the successfull downloading and
installing of software from the WindowsUpdate site?

Re-read all my postings again.

Jerry
"Sharon F" > wrote in message
...
> If you don't want to use System Restore, you don't have to Jerry. That's
an
> option too. I thought you posted because you wanted to work again. Sorry
if
> I misunderstood. :)
>
> Personally, I like the feature. I've been running a bit of beta software
> this year and System Restore has saved me from a lot of work when I've hit
a
> few glitches. I never rely on it for going back more than a week. Usually
> take a restore point in the last day or so. And I manually set a restore
> point before installing software or hardware.
>
> I was doing some system changes today. At one point System Restore was
> "suspended" due to lack of space on the hard drive. I cleaned up temp
files
> and moved my swapfile to another hard drive. After a restart, System
Restore
> went back monitoring but a new restore point wasn't created until I opened
> the application for the first time after the reset.
>
> --
> Sharon F
> Microsoft MVP, Windows - Shell/User
>
> Jerry wrote:
> > Sharon,
> >
> > Services I understand now. I have not changed anything in it since
> > installing XP Pro but I have no idea right now as to what's in it.
> >
> > Why should I leave System Restore running if it's not doing it's job by
> > creating restore points? It's useless right now - no restore points.
> >
> > Jerry
> > "Sharon F" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Jerry wrote:
> >>> Sharon,
> >>>
> >>> Explain - services disabled? What services?
> >>
> >> System services support various features within the operating system.
> > (Third
> >> party programs may add non-Microsoft services to your configuration.)
> > Folks
> >> coming to XP from a Win9x background are used to watching background
> >> processes and programs like hawks and are accustomed to disabling
> >> unnecessary startup items. The first look they get at Task Manager's
list
> > of
> >> processes can be alarming. They often end up in the Services area
> >> (services.msc) disabling items that look like something they don't
need.
> >> Unfortunately, dependent services will also become inoperable.
> >>
> >> You mention not using Task Scheduler. I don't use it either. The
program
> > is
> >> disabled on my systems but I keep the Task Scheduler service enabled
> > because
> >> other features in the operating system are dependent on it. Although
not
> >> listed in the Task Scheduler program interface, System Restore and
other
> > PC
> >> Health features rely on this service. You also, and more importantly,
> need
> >> the System Restore Service enabled.
> >>
> >>> I checked Accessories > System Tools > Task Scheduler and these was
> >> nothing
> >>> being scheduled.
> >>>
> >>> I re-invoked System Restore and rebooted. Checked System Restore and
> > there
> >>> were NO restore points; which SHOULD have been automnatically created.
> >> Tried
> >>> to create my own and could not. System Resore gave a NOT RESPONDING in
> > the
> >>> Task Mnager and I had to reboot to get control back.
> >>>
> >>> There is NO antivirus software running.
> >>>
> >>> Jerry
> >>
> >> Yes, an initial restore point should be created automatically when
System
> >> Restore is started. Any notes in Event Viewer about why System Restore
is
> >> "not responding"?
> >>
> >> An article you may want to check out:
> >> Troubleshooting System Restore in Windows XP
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;302796
> >>
> >> Here's a link to the TechNet section dealing with troubleshooting
System
> >> Restore:
> >>
> >
>
http://microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/itcommunity/Newsgroups/FAQSRWXP.asp
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sharon F
> >> Microsoft MVP, Windows - Shell/User
> >> =============================================
> >>
> >>> "Sharon F" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>> Interesting problem. Do you have some of the XP services disabled?
Task
> >>>> scheduling service, for example, needs to be enabled for System
Restore
> >> to
> >>>> work. It's also possible there was some corruption in the old store
> >> causing
> >>>> some difficulty for Windows Update when it went to create a new
restore
> >>>> point. Like others have mentioned, I haven't seen any mention that
the
> >>>> failure to create a restore point causes an update to die out at the
> >>>> install stage. If antivirus is running, it may slow up things up
quite
> > a
> >>>> bit. There could be quite a few new files (the type that especially
> >>>> interest those programs) and critical system changes keeping it busy.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Sharon F
> >>>> Microsoft MVP, Windows - Shell/User
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Jerry wrote:
> >>>>> Jupiter,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> System Restore has not been turned back on and I see no reason to do
> so
> >>>>> in
> >>>>> light of the problems I was having. Besides, since I was able to
> > install
> >>>>> all the updates,etc at the WindowsUpdate site turning it back on
would
> >>>>> prove nothing till the next time I find updates and try to download
> > and
> >>>>> install them. That could be quite a whiel.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jerry
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
> >>>>> ...
> >>>>>> Jerry;
> >>>>>> I wish I knew the answer why, then I would have less questions.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Does it fail again after you turn back on system Restore?
> >>>>>> Turning off/on System Restore eliminates corrupted files that often
> >>>>>> cause issues with System Restore, although I have not heard of this
> >>>>>> type of issue before.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> >>>>>> An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
> >>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
> >>>>>> Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Jerry" > wrote in message
> >>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>> Control Panel > System > System Restore and put a check in the
box:
> >> Turn
> >>>>>>> off System Restore on all drives. That's how.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As I said in my original message: WindowsUpdate Download was ok;
> >>>>>>> installation failed. Even if I tried to do one file at a time the
> >>>>>>> download was ok, the installation failed.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> System Restore has not been turned back on.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> System Restore and WindowsUpdate do have a connection because when
> >>>>>> an update
> >>>>>>> is attempted System Restore attempts, or is required, to create a
> >>>>>>> restore point before allowing the installation of the downloaded
> > files
> >>>>>>> to proceed and that was not happening. The files were being sent
to
> > my
> >>>>>>> machine but when installation was attempted it failed and I say it
> >>>>>>> failed because the restore point could not be created. Period!!!.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So, again, why is this happening?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jerry (not an MVP)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in
message
> >>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>> Jerry;
> >>>>>>>> System Restore and windows Update should have no connection.
> >>>>>>>> Are you saying Windows Update did not work, but started after you
> >>>>>>>> turned off System Restore?
> >>>>>>>> If so, what exactly was happening when you tried Windows Update
> >>>>>> when
> >>>>>>>> it failed?
> >>>>>>>> How did you turn off System Restore?
> >>>>>>>> Did you turn System Restore back on? If so When?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> >>>>>>>> An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
> >>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
> >>>>>>>> Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Jerry" > wrote in message
> >>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>> Running XP Pro w/SP1 and IE6 w/SP1.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Tried to download and install files from WindowsUpdate site.
> >> Download
> >>>>>>>>> went fine; install never started.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> After much gnashing of teeth and swearing at computer I
determined
> >>>>>>>>> problem was System Restore was not working and the required
> > restore
> >>>>>>>>> point could not be created.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Turned off System Restore and proceeded to download and install
> >>>>>> all
> >>>>>>>>> updates/patches/fixes/etc from WindowsUpdate.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> XP Pro runs just fine.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> What is causing problem with System Restore? (NOTE: I do not
have
> >>>>>>>>> RealPlayer installed; as mentioned in an earlier posting.)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Jerry
>

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Jerry;
The exact cause is unknown.
The issue may have been resolved by turning off System Restores (that
alone resolves a lot of issues with System Restore.
At this moment there is no way of knowing if System Restore is working
properly.
Of course if System Restore is never turned back on it will never be
known if the issue is resolved.
Part of the troubleshooting requires System Restore be turned back on
at some time, obviously proper functionality can never be determined
until that is done.
Also obviously if System Restore is no longer desired, you have
nothing more to do at the issue is then completely resolved.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.


"Jerry" > wrote in message
...
> Sharon,
>
> Your comments don't address the problem.
>
> System Restore is not working and, if turned on, it prevents updates
from
> being installed from the WindowsUpdate site. I'm well aware of its
> capabilities.
>
> Again, what is the connection between a System Restore that's turned
on but
> incapable of creating restore points and the successfull downloading
and
> installing of software from the WindowsUpdate site?
>
> Re-read all my postings again.
>
> Jerry
> "Sharon F" > wrote in message
> ...
> > If you don't want to use System Restore, you don't have to Jerry.
That's
> an
> > option too. I thought you posted because you wanted to work again.
Sorry
> if
> > I misunderstood. :)
> >
> > Personally, I like the feature. I've been running a bit of beta
software
> > this year and System Restore has saved me from a lot of work when
I've hit
> a
> > few glitches. I never rely on it for going back more than a week.
Usually
> > take a restore point in the last day or so. And I manually set a
restore
> > point before installing software or hardware.
> >
> > I was doing some system changes today. At one point System Restore
was
> > "suspended" due to lack of space on the hard drive. I cleaned up
temp
> files
> > and moved my swapfile to another hard drive. After a restart,
System
> Restore
> > went back monitoring but a new restore point wasn't created until
I opened
> > the application for the first time after the reset.
> >
> > --
> > Sharon F
> > Microsoft MVP, Windows - Shell/User
> >
> > Jerry wrote:
> > > Sharon,
> > >
> > > Services I understand now. I have not changed anything in it
since
> > > installing XP Pro but I have no idea right now as to what's in
it.
> > >
> > > Why should I leave System Restore running if it's not doing it's
job by
> > > creating restore points? It's useless right now - no restore
points.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > "Sharon F" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >> Jerry wrote:
> > >>> Sharon,
> > >>>
> > >>> Explain - services disabled? What services?
> > >>
> > >> System services support various features within the operating
system.
> > > (Third
> > >> party programs may add non-Microsoft services to your
configuration.)
> > > Folks
> > >> coming to XP from a Win9x background are used to watching
background
> > >> processes and programs like hawks and are accustomed to
disabling
> > >> unnecessary startup items. The first look they get at Task
Manager's
> list
> > > of
> > >> processes can be alarming. They often end up in the Services
area
> > >> (services.msc) disabling items that look like something they
don't
> need.
> > >> Unfortunately, dependent services will also become inoperable.
> > >>
> > >> You mention not using Task Scheduler. I don't use it either.
The
> program
> > > is
> > >> disabled on my systems but I keep the Task Scheduler service
enabled
> > > because
> > >> other features in the operating system are dependent on it.
Although
> not
> > >> listed in the Task Scheduler program interface, System Restore
and
> other
> > > PC
> > >> Health features rely on this service. You also, and more
importantly,
> > need
> > >> the System Restore Service enabled.
> > >>
> > >>> I checked Accessories > System Tools > Task Scheduler and
these was
> > >> nothing
> > >>> being scheduled.
> > >>>
> > >>> I re-invoked System Restore and rebooted. Checked System
Restore and
> > > there
> > >>> were NO restore points; which SHOULD have been automnatically
created.
> > >> Tried
> > >>> to create my own and could not. System Resore gave a NOT
RESPONDING in
> > > the
> > >>> Task Mnager and I had to reboot to get control back.
> > >>>
> > >>> There is NO antivirus software running.
> > >>>
> > >>> Jerry
> > >>
> > >> Yes, an initial restore point should be created automatically
when
> System
> > >> Restore is started. Any notes in Event Viewer about why System
Restore
> is
> > >> "not responding"?
> > >>
> > >> An article you may want to check out:
> > >> Troubleshooting System Restore in Windows XP
> > >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;302796
> > >>
> > >> Here's a link to the TechNet section dealing with
troubleshooting
> System
> > >> Restore:
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
http://microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/itcommunity/Newsgroups/FAQSRWXP.asp
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Sharon F
> > >> Microsoft MVP, Windows - Shell/User
> > >> =============================================
> > >>
> > >>> "Sharon F" > wrote in message
> > >>> ...
> > >>>> Interesting problem. Do you have some of the XP services
disabled?
> Task
> > >>>> scheduling service, for example, needs to be enabled for
System
> Restore
> > >> to
> > >>>> work. It's also possible there was some corruption in the old
store
> > >> causing
> > >>>> some difficulty for Windows Update when it went to create a
new
> restore
> > >>>> point. Like others have mentioned, I haven't seen any mention
that
> the
> > >>>> failure to create a restore point causes an update to die out
at the
> > >>>> install stage. If antivirus is running, it may slow up things
up
> quite
> > > a
> > >>>> bit. There could be quite a few new files (the type that
especially
> > >>>> interest those programs) and critical system changes keeping
it busy.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Sharon F
> > >>>> Microsoft MVP, Windows - Shell/User
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Jerry wrote:
> > >>>>> Jupiter,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> System Restore has not been turned back on and I see no
reason to do
> > so
> > >>>>> in
> > >>>>> light of the problems I was having. Besides, since I was
able to
> > > install
> > >>>>> all the updates,etc at the WindowsUpdate site turning it
back on
> would
> > >>>>> prove nothing till the next time I find updates and try to
download
> > > and
> > >>>>> install them. That could be quite a whiel.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Jerry
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in
message
> > >>>>> ...
> > >>>>>> Jerry;
> > >>>>>> I wish I knew the answer why, then I would have less
questions.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Does it fail again after you turn back on system Restore?
> > >>>>>> Turning off/on System Restore eliminates corrupted files
that often
> > >>>>>> cause issues with System Restore, although I have not heard
of this
> > >>>>>> type of issue before.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> > >>>>>> An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
> > >>>>>>
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
> > >>>>>> Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> "Jerry" > wrote in message
> > >>>>>> ...
> > >>>>>>> Control Panel > System > System Restore and put a check in
the
> box:
> > >> Turn
> > >>>>>>> off System Restore on all drives. That's how.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> As I said in my original message: WindowsUpdate Download
was ok;
> > >>>>>>> installation failed. Even if I tried to do one file at a
time the
> > >>>>>>> download was ok, the installation failed.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> System Restore has not been turned back on.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> System Restore and WindowsUpdate do have a connection
because when
> > >>>>>> an update
> > >>>>>>> is attempted System Restore attempts, or is required, to
create a
> > >>>>>>> restore point before allowing the installation of the
downloaded
> > > files
> > >>>>>>> to proceed and that was not happening. The files were
being sent
> to
> > > my
> > >>>>>>> machine but when installation was attempted it failed and
I say it
> > >>>>>>> failed because the restore point could not be created.
Period!!!.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> So, again, why is this happening?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Jerry (not an MVP)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote
in
> message
> > >>>>>>> ...
> > >>>>>>>> Jerry;
> > >>>>>>>> System Restore and windows Update should have no
connection.
> > >>>>>>>> Are you saying Windows Update did not work, but started
after you
> > >>>>>>>> turned off System Restore?
> > >>>>>>>> If so, what exactly was happening when you tried Windows
Update
> > >>>>>> when
> > >>>>>>>> it failed?
> > >>>>>>>> How did you turn off System Restore?
> > >>>>>>>> Did you turn System Restore back on? If so When?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> > >>>>>>>> An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
> > >>>>>>>>
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
> > >>>>>>>> Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> "Jerry" > wrote in message
> > >>>>>>>> ...
> > >>>>>>>>> Running XP Pro w/SP1 and IE6 w/SP1.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Tried to download and install files from WindowsUpdate
site.
> > >> Download
> > >>>>>>>>> went fine; install never started.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> After much gnashing of teeth and swearing at computer I
> determined
> > >>>>>>>>> problem was System Restore was not working and the
required
> > > restore
> > >>>>>>>>> point could not be created.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Turned off System Restore and proceeded to download and
install
> > >>>>>> all
> > >>>>>>>>> updates/patches/fixes/etc from WindowsUpdate.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> XP Pro runs just fine.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> What is causing problem with System Restore? (NOTE: I do
not
> have
> > >>>>>>>>> RealPlayer installed; as mentioned in an earlier
posting.)
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Jerry
> >
>
>

[Sharon F]

Jerry,
Your problem appears to be two-fold. First, your System Restore is out of
whack. It's been non-responsive when you launch it and it is not creating
restore points automatically. These issues need to be addressed. That's what
I was aiming at with the references that I've posted for you. I selected
what looked like good launching points for the troubleshooting you'll need
to do in pinpointing exactly what is going on with your setup. There are
some known issues with System Restore, third party software and some
hardware. Most with fixes available from MS or from the vendors.

Second, is the situation with Windows Update when System Restore is active.
I haven't even touched that part of the problem yet as it may be an offshoot
of the broken behavior your System Restore is exhibiting. Once System
Restore is working properly and if the Windows Update problem persists, then
it's time to look more closely at that.

Until System Restore is working reliably on its own, you obviously will need
to suspend System Restore when you use Windows Update to avoid the trouble
it's been causing you there.

--
Sharon F
Microsoft MVP, Windows - Shell/User


Jerry wrote:
> Sharon,
>
> Your comments don't address the problem.
>
> System Restore is not working and, if turned on, it prevents updates from
> being installed from the WindowsUpdate site. I'm well aware of its
> capabilities.
>
> Again, what is the connection between a System Restore that's turned on
but
> incapable of creating restore points and the successfull downloading and
> installing of software from the WindowsUpdate site?
>
> Re-read all my postings again.
>
> Jerry
> "Sharon F" > wrote in message
> ...
>> If you don't want to use System Restore, you don't have to Jerry. That's
> an
>> option too. I thought you posted because you wanted to work again. Sorry
> if
>> I misunderstood. :)
>>
>> Personally, I like the feature. I've been running a bit of beta software
>> this year and System Restore has saved me from a lot of work when I've
hit
> a
>> few glitches. I never rely on it for going back more than a week. Usually
>> take a restore point in the last day or so. And I manually set a restore
>> point before installing software or hardware.
>>
>> I was doing some system changes today. At one point System Restore was
>> "suspended" due to lack of space on the hard drive. I cleaned up temp
> files
>> and moved my swapfile to another hard drive. After a restart, System
> Restore
>> went back monitoring but a new restore point wasn't created until I
opened
>> the application for the first time after the reset.
>>
>> --
>> Sharon F
>> Microsoft MVP, Windows - Shell/User
>>
>> Jerry wrote:
>>> Sharon,
>>>
>>> Services I understand now. I have not changed anything in it since
>>> installing XP Pro but I have no idea right now as to what's in it.
>>>
>>> Why should I leave System Restore running if it's not doing it's job by
>>> creating restore points? It's useless right now - no restore points.
>>>
>>> Jerry
>>> "Sharon F" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Jerry wrote:
>>>>> Sharon,
>>>>>
>>>>> Explain - services disabled? What services?
>>>>
>>>> System services support various features within the operating system.
>>> (Third
>>>> party programs may add non-Microsoft services to your configuration.)
>>> Folks
>>>> coming to XP from a Win9x background are used to watching background
>>>> processes and programs like hawks and are accustomed to disabling
>>>> unnecessary startup items. The first look they get at Task Manager's
>>>> list of
>>>> processes can be alarming. They often end up in the Services area
>>>> (services.msc) disabling items that look like something they don't
> need.
>>>> Unfortunately, dependent services will also become inoperable.
>>>>
>>>> You mention not using Task Scheduler. I don't use it either. The
program
>>>> is
>>>> disabled on my systems but I keep the Task Scheduler service enabled
>>> because
>>>> other features in the operating system are dependent on it. Although
> not
>>>> listed in the Task Scheduler program interface, System Restore and
other
>>>> PC
>>>> Health features rely on this service. You also, and more importantly,
>> need
>>>> the System Restore Service enabled.
>>>>
>>>>> I checked Accessories > System Tools > Task Scheduler and these was
>>>> nothing
>>>>> being scheduled.
>>>>>
>>>>> I re-invoked System Restore and rebooted. Checked System Restore and
>>> there
>>>>> were NO restore points; which SHOULD have been automnatically created.
>>>> Tried
>>>>> to create my own and could not. System Resore gave a NOT RESPONDING in
>>> the
>>>>> Task Mnager and I had to reboot to get control back.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is NO antivirus software running.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jerry
>>>>
>>>> Yes, an initial restore point should be created automatically when
> System
>>>> Restore is started. Any notes in Event Viewer about why System Restore
> is
>>>> "not responding"?
>>>>
>>>> An article you may want to check out:
>>>> Troubleshooting System Restore in Windows XP
>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;302796
>>>>
>>>> Here's a link to the TechNet section dealing with troubleshooting
> System
>>>> Restore:
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
http://microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/itcommunity/Newsgroups/FAQSRWXP.asp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sharon F
>>>> Microsoft MVP, Windows - Shell/User
>>>> =============================================
>>>>
>>>>> "Sharon F" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Interesting problem. Do you have some of the XP services disabled?
> Task
>>>>>> scheduling service, for example, needs to be enabled for System
>>>>>> Restore to
>>>>>> work. It's also possible there was some corruption in the old store
>>>> causing
>>>>>> some difficulty for Windows Update when it went to create a new
> restore
>>>>>> point. Like others have mentioned, I haven't seen any mention that
> the
>>>>>> failure to create a restore point causes an update to die out at the
>>>>>> install stage. If antivirus is running, it may slow up things up
quite
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> bit. There could be quite a few new files (the type that especially
>>>>>> interest those programs) and critical system changes keeping it busy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sharon F
>>>>>> Microsoft MVP, Windows - Shell/User
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jerry wrote:
>>>>>>> Jupiter,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> System Restore has not been turned back on and I see no reason to do
>> so
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> light of the problems I was having. Besides, since I was able to
>>> install
>>>>>>> all the updates,etc at the WindowsUpdate site turning it back on
> would
>>>>>>> prove nothing till the next time I find updates and try to download
>>> and
>>>>>>> install them. That could be quite a whiel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jerry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> Jerry;
>>>>>>>> I wish I knew the answer why, then I would have less questions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does it fail again after you turn back on system Restore?
>>>>>>>> Turning off/on System Restore eliminates corrupted files that often
>>>>>>>> cause issues with System Restore, although I have not heard of this
>>>>>>>> type of issue before.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>>>>>>> An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
>>>>>>>> Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Jerry" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> Control Panel > System > System Restore and put a check in the
box:
>>>>>>>>> Turn
>>>>>>>>> off System Restore on all drives. That's how.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As I said in my original message: WindowsUpdate Download was ok;
>>>>>>>>> installation failed. Even if I tried to do one file at a time the
>>>>>>>>> download was ok, the installation failed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> System Restore has not been turned back on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> System Restore and WindowsUpdate do have a connection because when
>>>>>>>> an update
>>>>>>>>> is attempted System Restore attempts, or is required, to create a
>>>>>>>>> restore point before allowing the installation of the downloaded
>>> files
>>>>>>>>> to proceed and that was not happening. The files were being sent
to
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> machine but when installation was attempted it failed and I say it
>>>>>>>>> failed because the restore point could not be created. Period!!!.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, again, why is this happening?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jerry (not an MVP)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in
> message
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> Jerry;
>>>>>>>>>> System Restore and windows Update should have no connection.
>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying Windows Update did not work, but started after you
>>>>>>>>>> turned off System Restore?
>>>>>>>>>> If so, what exactly was happening when you tried Windows Update
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>> it failed?
>>>>>>>>>> How did you turn off System Restore?
>>>>>>>>>> Did you turn System Restore back on? If so When?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>>>>>>>>> An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
>>>>>>>>>> Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Jerry" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>> Running XP Pro w/SP1 and IE6 w/SP1.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tried to download and install files from WindowsUpdate site.
>>>> Download
>>>>>>>>>>> went fine; install never started.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> After much gnashing of teeth and swearing at computer I
> determined
>>>>>>>>>>> problem was System Restore was not working and the required
>>> restore
>>>>>>>>>>> point could not be created.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Turned off System Restore and proceeded to download and install
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>> updates/patches/fixes/etc from WindowsUpdate.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> XP Pro runs just fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What is causing problem with System Restore? (NOTE: I do not
> have
>>>>>>>>>>> RealPlayer installed; as mentioned in an earlier posting.)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jerry

[Jerry]

Oh well.

When I turned System Restore back on restore points were not automatically
created and I could not manually create one. Period. There is nothing else I
can do that I know of to fix that problem.

Second, the XP Pro I'm using is a 120-day evaluation copy; came with the
Office 2003 beta test that I'm not even trying because of the System
Restore/install problem, and when the 120 days are over I'll let it die. I
am very thoroughly not-impressed with XP Pro.

"Sharon F" > wrote in message
...
> Jerry,
> Your problem appears to be two-fold. First, your System Restore is out of
> whack. It's been non-responsive when you launch it and it is not creating
> restore points automatically. These issues need to be addressed. That's
what
> I was aiming at with the references that I've posted for you. I selected
> what looked like good launching points for the troubleshooting you'll need
> to do in pinpointing exactly what is going on with your setup. There are
> some known issues with System Restore, third party software and some
> hardware. Most with fixes available from MS or from the vendors.
>
> Second, is the situation with Windows Update when System Restore is
active.
> I haven't even touched that part of the problem yet as it may be an
offshoot
> of the broken behavior your System Restore is exhibiting. Once System
> Restore is working properly and if the Windows Update problem persists,
then
> it's time to look more closely at that.
>
> Until System Restore is working reliably on its own, you obviously will
need
> to suspend System Restore when you use Windows Update to avoid the trouble
> it's been causing you there.
>
> --
> Sharon F
> Microsoft MVP, Windows - Shell/User
>
>
> Jerry wrote:
> > Sharon,
> >
> > Your comments don't address the problem.
> >
> > System Restore is not working and, if turned on, it prevents updates
from
> > being installed from the WindowsUpdate site. I'm well aware of its
> > capabilities.
> >
> > Again, what is the connection between a System Restore that's turned on
> but
> > incapable of creating restore points and the successfull downloading and
> > installing of software from the WindowsUpdate site?
> >
> > Re-read all my postings again.
> >
> > Jerry
> > "Sharon F" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> If you don't want to use System Restore, you don't have to Jerry.
That's
> > an
> >> option too. I thought you posted because you wanted to work again.
Sorry
> > if
> >> I misunderstood. :)
> >>
> >> Personally, I like the feature. I've been running a bit of beta
software
> >> this year and System Restore has saved me from a lot of work when I've
> hit
> > a
> >> few glitches. I never rely on it for going back more than a week.
Usually
> >> take a restore point in the last day or so. And I manually set a
restore
> >> point before installing software or hardware.
> >>
> >> I was doing some system changes today. At one point System Restore was
> >> "suspended" due to lack of space on the hard drive. I cleaned up temp
> > files
> >> and moved my swapfile to another hard drive. After a restart, System
> > Restore
> >> went back monitoring but a new restore point wasn't created until I
> opened
> >> the application for the first time after the reset.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sharon F
> >> Microsoft MVP, Windows - Shell/User
> >>
> >> Jerry wrote:
> >>> Sharon,
> >>>
> >>> Services I understand now. I have not changed anything in it since
> >>> installing XP Pro but I have no idea right now as to what's in it.
> >>>
> >>> Why should I leave System Restore running if it's not doing it's job
by
> >>> creating restore points? It's useless right now - no restore points.
> >>>
> >>> Jerry
> >>> "Sharon F" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>> Jerry wrote:
> >>>>> Sharon,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Explain - services disabled? What services?
> >>>>
> >>>> System services support various features within the operating system.
> >>> (Third
> >>>> party programs may add non-Microsoft services to your configuration.)
> >>> Folks
> >>>> coming to XP from a Win9x background are used to watching background
> >>>> processes and programs like hawks and are accustomed to disabling
> >>>> unnecessary startup items. The first look they get at Task Manager's
> >>>> list of
> >>>> processes can be alarming. They often end up in the Services area
> >>>> (services.msc) disabling items that look like something they don't
> > need.
> >>>> Unfortunately, dependent services will also become inoperable.
> >>>>
> >>>> You mention not using Task Scheduler. I don't use it either. The
> program
> >>>> is
> >>>> disabled on my systems but I keep the Task Scheduler service enabled
> >>> because
> >>>> other features in the operating system are dependent on it. Although
> > not
> >>>> listed in the Task Scheduler program interface, System Restore and
> other
> >>>> PC
> >>>> Health features rely on this service. You also, and more importantly,
> >> need
> >>>> the System Restore Service enabled.
> >>>>
> >>>>> I checked Accessories > System Tools > Task Scheduler and these was
> >>>> nothing
> >>>>> being scheduled.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I re-invoked System Restore and rebooted. Checked System Restore and
> >>> there
> >>>>> were NO restore points; which SHOULD have been automnatically
created.
> >>>> Tried
> >>>>> to create my own and could not. System Resore gave a NOT RESPONDING
in
> >>> the
> >>>>> Task Mnager and I had to reboot to get control back.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is NO antivirus software running.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jerry
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, an initial restore point should be created automatically when
> > System
> >>>> Restore is started. Any notes in Event Viewer about why System
Restore
> > is
> >>>> "not responding"?
> >>>>
> >>>> An article you may want to check out:
> >>>> Troubleshooting System Restore in Windows XP
> >>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;302796
> >>>>
> >>>> Here's a link to the TechNet section dealing with troubleshooting
> > System
> >>>> Restore:
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
http://microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/itcommunity/Newsgroups/FAQSRWXP.asp
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Sharon F
> >>>> Microsoft MVP, Windows - Shell/User
> >>>> =============================================
> >>>>
> >>>>> "Sharon F" > wrote in message
> >>>>> ...
> >>>>>> Interesting problem. Do you have some of the XP services disabled?
> > Task
> >>>>>> scheduling service, for example, needs to be enabled for System
> >>>>>> Restore to
> >>>>>> work. It's also possible there was some corruption in the old store
> >>>> causing
> >>>>>> some difficulty for Windows Update when it went to create a new
> > restore
> >>>>>> point. Like others have mentioned, I haven't seen any mention that
> > the
> >>>>>> failure to create a restore point causes an update to die out at
the
> >>>>>> install stage. If antivirus is running, it may slow up things up
> quite
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>> bit. There could be quite a few new files (the type that especially
> >>>>>> interest those programs) and critical system changes keeping it
busy.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Sharon F
> >>>>>> Microsoft MVP, Windows - Shell/User
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jerry wrote:
> >>>>>>> Jupiter,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> System Restore has not been turned back on and I see no reason to
do
> >> so
> >>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>> light of the problems I was having. Besides, since I was able to
> >>> install
> >>>>>>> all the updates,etc at the WindowsUpdate site turning it back on
> > would
> >>>>>>> prove nothing till the next time I find updates and try to
download
> >>> and
> >>>>>>> install them. That could be quite a whiel.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jerry
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in
message
> >>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>> Jerry;
> >>>>>>>> I wish I knew the answer why, then I would have less questions.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Does it fail again after you turn back on system Restore?
> >>>>>>>> Turning off/on System Restore eliminates corrupted files that
often
> >>>>>>>> cause issues with System Restore, although I have not heard of
this
> >>>>>>>> type of issue before.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> >>>>>>>> An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
> >>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
> >>>>>>>> Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Jerry" > wrote in message
> >>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>> Control Panel > System > System Restore and put a check in the
> box:
> >>>>>>>>> Turn
> >>>>>>>>> off System Restore on all drives. That's how.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> As I said in my original message: WindowsUpdate Download was ok;
> >>>>>>>>> installation failed. Even if I tried to do one file at a time
the
> >>>>>>>>> download was ok, the installation failed.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> System Restore has not been turned back on.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> System Restore and WindowsUpdate do have a connection because
when
> >>>>>>>> an update
> >>>>>>>>> is attempted System Restore attempts, or is required, to create
a
> >>>>>>>>> restore point before allowing the installation of the downloaded
> >>> files
> >>>>>>>>> to proceed and that was not happening. The files were being sent
> to
> >>>>>>>>> my
> >>>>>>>>> machine but when installation was attempted it failed and I say
it
> >>>>>>>>> failed because the restore point could not be created.
Period!!!.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So, again, why is this happening?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Jerry (not an MVP)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in
> > message
> >>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>>> Jerry;
> >>>>>>>>>> System Restore and windows Update should have no connection.
> >>>>>>>>>> Are you saying Windows Update did not work, but started after
you
> >>>>>>>>>> turned off System Restore?
> >>>>>>>>>> If so, what exactly was happening when you tried Windows Update
> >>>>>>>> when
> >>>>>>>>>> it failed?
> >>>>>>>>>> How did you turn off System Restore?
> >>>>>>>>>> Did you turn System Restore back on? If so When?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> >>>>>>>>>> An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
> >>>>>>>>>>
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
> >>>>>>>>>> Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> "Jerry" > wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>> Running XP Pro w/SP1 and IE6 w/SP1.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Tried to download and install files from WindowsUpdate site.
> >>>> Download
> >>>>>>>>>>> went fine; install never started.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> After much gnashing of teeth and swearing at computer I
> > determined
> >>>>>>>>>>> problem was System Restore was not working and the required
> >>> restore
> >>>>>>>>>>> point could not be created.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Turned off System Restore and proceeded to download and
install
> >>>>>>>> all
> >>>>>>>>>>> updates/patches/fixes/etc from WindowsUpdate.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> XP Pro runs just fine.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> What is causing problem with System Restore? (NOTE: I do not
> > have
> >>>>>>>>>>> RealPlayer installed; as mentioned in an earlier posting.)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Jerry
>