Windows XP Pro - 98SE file sharing

[Brian]

Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, this didn't
resolve the issue. My ICS firewall was already disabled on
my XP machine. Just to see what would happen, I enabled
it. When it is enabled, the 98SE machine can't open that
machine in Network Neighborhood (it fails saying that the
machine doesn't exist on the network). With it disabled, I
can open the machine in Network Neighborhood, but receive
an "Access is denied" message when I try to open the
SharedDocs folder.

The firewall doesn't affect the behavior with regard to the
XP machine accessing shared files on the 98SE machine
(this doesn't work under either scenario).

Any other suggestions?

Thanks,
Brian

>-----Original Message-----
>I had the same problem. You must turn off the firewall
>in the XP machine. I am currently freely sharing files
>between XP and 98SE machines with no problems. But...you
>can not share a printer, at least an XP machine can not
>reliably print to a printer shared from a 98SE machine.
>I finally found an obscure reference in the knowledge
>base that says that 98 can not provide the secure
>environment required by XP. I was never able to get the
>test page to print. It would hang the printer driver
>screen. Applications would sometimes print, sometimes
>not. I think it has to do with the type of sharing
>inherent in XP and 98. XP appears to only
>recognize "name-based" sharing where a name server is
>required to keep a list of names and passwords. This
>feature is inherent in XP but not in 98. 98 normally
>uses permission-based (i think the term is correct) where
>you can set each shared resource to be accessible or not,
>but to use name-based sharing you have to have a name
>server which apparently is only available if you have
>a "domain".
>
>Sorry this is so long, but wanted to ive you everything I
>found out. Bottom line is file sharing works between XP
>and 98 but you have to turn off the firewall. I had to
>upgrade my server to XP to get print sharin to work.
>
>Good Luck,
>
>Al

[wkhai]

In order for print and file sharing to work successfully both ways between WinXP and Win9x (win95, win98, win98se, WinMe) machines, on non-domain networks, there are a few conditions that need to be met:

1) ICS/ICF must be turned off on WinXP, otherwise WinXP can see Win9x, but not the other way around

2) you need to log on to the machines (on Win9x it is not compulsory, but you need to log on in order to access other machines on the network) - logon to Micorosfot Windows Network rather than Windows Logon or Windows Family Logon

3) in order to PRINT successfully to a printer shared on a WinXP machine from a Win9x machine, you need to logon to Win9x using a corresponding username and password that exists on the WinXP machine, ie. you need to have a similar user account on WinXP tha
t has print permission.

Generally, you should have no problem retrieving files on Win9x machines or printing to Win9x machines from a WinXP machine. if you have problems, chances are you did not logon to the Win9x machines.

One other thing, if you have problem reading/writing to a WinXP machine's shared folder from a Win9x machine, your security/sharing permissions are not set correctly or set too high. Easiest workaround is to share the folder the file is in on the Win9x mac
hine and then read them from the WinXP machine, and to create a default folder on the Win9x machines for all file transfers with write permission and transfer the files from WinXP. This might not be the most convenient method, but it is a guaranteed one.

There are other work arounds, but they are complex, requiring modifying security permissions. These are the easiest and safest to implement for a home environment.

Hope this helps!

P/S: I'm still looking around to solution to print to WinXP from Win9x without having to type in an existing username/password by modifying WinXP security permissions, I know it's out there somewhere but can't seem to remember where or how... anyone??

[John Ross]

Can you tell me where to turn off the ICS/ICF in WinXP?
Tx.
JR

"wkhai" > wrote in message
...
> In order for print and file sharing to work successfully both ways between
WinXP and Win9x (win95, win98, win98se, WinMe) machines, on non-domain
networks, there are a few conditions that need to be met:
>
> 1) ICS/ICF must be turned off on WinXP, otherwise WinXP can see Win9x, but
not the other way around
>
> 2) you need to log on to the machines (on Win9x it is not compulsory, but
you need to log on in order to access other machines on the network) - logon
to Micorosfot Windows Network rather than Windows Logon or Windows Family
Logon
>
> 3) in order to PRINT successfully to a printer shared on a WinXP machine
from a Win9x machine, you need to logon to Win9x using a corresponding
username and password that exists on the WinXP machine, ie. you need to have
a similar user account on WinXP that has print permission.
>
> Generally, you should have no problem retrieving files on Win9x machines
or printing to Win9x machines from a WinXP machine. if you have problems,
chances are you did not logon to the Win9x machines.
>
> One other thing, if you have problem reading/writing to a WinXP machine's
shared folder from a Win9x machine, your security/sharing permissions are
not set correctly or set too high. Easiest workaround is to share the folder
the file is in on the Win9x machine and then read them from the WinXP
machine, and to create a default folder on the Win9x machines for all file
transfers with write permission and transfer the files from WinXP. This
might not be the most convenient method, but it is a guaranteed one.
>
> There are other work arounds, but they are complex, requiring modifying
security permissions. These are the easiest and safest to implement for a
home environment.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> P/S: I'm still looking around to solution to print to WinXP from Win9x
without having to type in an existing username/password by modifying WinXP
security permissions, I know it's out there somewhere but can't seem to
remember where or how... anyone??

[John Ross]

Got it.
JR

"John Ross" > wrote in message
...
> Can you tell me where to turn off the ICS/ICF in WinXP?
> Tx.
> JR
>
> "wkhai" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In order for print and file sharing to work successfully both ways
between
> WinXP and Win9x (win95, win98, win98se, WinMe) machines, on non-domain
> networks, there are a few conditions that need to be met:
> >
> > 1) ICS/ICF must be turned off on WinXP, otherwise WinXP can see Win9x,
but
> not the other way around
> >
> > 2) you need to log on to the machines (on Win9x it is not compulsory,
but
> you need to log on in order to access other machines on the network) -
logon
> to Micorosfot Windows Network rather than Windows Logon or Windows Family
> Logon
> >
> > 3) in order to PRINT successfully to a printer shared on a WinXP machine
> from a Win9x machine, you need to logon to Win9x using a corresponding
> username and password that exists on the WinXP machine, ie. you need to
have
> a similar user account on WinXP that has print permission.
> >
> > Generally, you should have no problem retrieving files on Win9x machines
> or printing to Win9x machines from a WinXP machine. if you have problems,
> chances are you did not logon to the Win9x machines.
> >
> > One other thing, if you have problem reading/writing to a WinXP
machine's
> shared folder from a Win9x machine, your security/sharing permissions are
> not set correctly or set too high. Easiest workaround is to share the
folder
> the file is in on the Win9x machine and then read them from the WinXP
> machine, and to create a default folder on the Win9x machines for all file
> transfers with write permission and transfer the files from WinXP. This
> might not be the most convenient method, but it is a guaranteed one.
> >
> > There are other work arounds, but they are complex, requiring modifying
> security permissions. These are the easiest and safest to implement for a
> home environment.
> >
> > Hope this helps!
> >
> > P/S: I'm still looking around to solution to print to WinXP from Win9x
> without having to type in an existing username/password by modifying WinXP
> security permissions, I know it's out there somewhere but can't seem to
> remember where or how... anyone??
>
>

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

In article >,
"wkhai" > wrote:
>In order for print and file sharing to work successfully both ways between WinXP and Win9x (win95, win98, win98se, WinMe) machines, on non-domain networks, there are a few conditions that need to be met:
>
>1) ICS/ICF must be turned off on WinXP, otherwise WinXP can see Win9x, but not the other way around
>
>2) you need to log on to the machines (on Win9x it is not compulsory, but you need to log on in order to access other machines on the network) - logon to Micorosfot Windows Network rather than Windows Logon or Windows Family Logon
>
>3) in order to PRINT successfully to a printer shared on a WinXP machine from a Win9x machine, you need to logon to Win9x using a corresponding username and password that exists on the WinXP machine, ie. you need to have a similar user account on WinXP th
at has print permission.
>
>Generally, you should have no problem retrieving files on Win9x machines or printing to Win9x machines from a WinXP machine. if you have problems, chances are you did not logon to the Win9x machines.
>
>One other thing, if you have problem reading/writing to a WinXP machine's shared folder from a Win9x machine, your security/sharing permissions are not set correctly or set too high. Easiest workaround is to share the folder the file is in on the Win9x ma
chine and then read them from the WinXP machine, and to create a default folder on the Win9x machines for all file transfers with write permission and transfer the files from WinXP. This might not be the most convenient method, but it is a guaranteed one.

>
>There are other work arounds, but they are complex, requiring modifying security permissions. These are the easiest and safest to implement for a home environment.
>
>Hope this helps!
>
>P/S: I'm still looking around to solution to print to WinXP from Win9x without having to type in an existing username/password by modifying WinXP security permissions, I know it's out there somewhere but can't seem to remember where or how... anyone??

I have some comments, "wkhai":

1) Very good suggestion.

2) All three logon types are OK on a peer-to-peer network. The only
time that you need to use the Microsoft Networks logon is to connect
to a client/server domain.

3. In my experience, that isn't necessary if the machine that has the
shared printer runs XP Home Edition. It might be necessary if the
machine runs XP Professional and has disabled simple file sharing.

The solution to your P/S might be found here:

Windows XP Professional File Sharing
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_filesharing/index.htm
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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