Anne Avellone
December 5th 03, 12:27 AM
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James White > wrote in article
<g7Rsa.713344$3D1.392693@sccrnsc01>...
> Anne Avellone/David M. Geshwind
> > So, to be less round-about: How much experience do you have in
contacting,
> > successfully geting NDAs from, and licensing to Microsoft, Apple, AOL
Time
> > Warner, Intel, IBM, Verizon, MCI, GE, and the like?
>
> A guy who can't even afford his own e-mail account pretends to be
> independently wealthy from his expertise and success in the big-time
markets
> of software and electronics and communications. (BOY DO I EVER BUY INTO
> THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
1. I pretended nothing. I neither made, nor do I make, any claims to be
wealthy, let alone independently wealthy.
Nor did I make any representations about my contacts or success.
I was asking Rodney regarding his experiences in the
computer/communications market area. Not mentioning, let alone bragging,
about mine.
2. I have several email addresses, but I do not post to NGs from them. We
now receive huge amounts (about 100/day) of unsoliceted EMail at this
address, due to spammers trawling the NGs for email addresses. I do not
want to crap up the other addresses.
>
> > (e.g., DSL or cable modems) be installed for there to be a market. It
has
> > been pending for almost 10 years. If I had waited until the market was
> > there, I would have lost out on the patents to others who filed as the
> > market became more obvious.
>
> So you think Theft-By-Patent is the way to go but it's not just quite
> working for you yet? BTW, the law changed and now patents are only
> enforceable from issue to 20 years from date of filing in the US so
advising
> folks to "submarine" patents is EXTREMELY WRONG and UNABASHEDLY
SELF-SERVING
> for a Patent Agent (implication: BUY my services NOW, GREAT REWARDS much
> later). It could even be an ETHICAL VIOLATION which could cost you your
> patent agent status-----at the very least hopefully your job (but I've
seen
> your web site so I think the both of you are in the same "ethical" boat).
I was not advising anybody to do anything. And certainly NOT to "submarine"
patents.
BTW, the law changed roughly July 1995, eight years ago.
Any application pending for 10 years is a pre-GATT application and will
enforcable for 17 years from issue, and NOT measured from filing date.
Again, I was not advising anyone to do anything. I was corresponding with
Rodney about my experience as an inventor (not a patent agent). These are
my applications, not my clients'.
Your characterization of what I said directly (or indirectly implied) is
just wrong. I never said success likely, let alone guarenteed.
I still believe that (while 98% or more of patents may never make a dime)
for those high tech (e.g., computer, communications, biotech, etc.)
ventures that do succeed, virtually all have IP protection (e.g., patents)
at the core of their businesses.
You are obvious ****ed off at somebody. But you are reading your own
expectations into my post. Please reread it.
I did not recommend anybody do anything, let alone hire me to do it. I was
reporting on my experiences and opions as an inventor in the computer
science/tellecom area. I was also questioning the experience behind the
advice Rodney was giving, regarding how to contact companies like
Microsoft.
David M. Geshwind
Registered Patent Agent
UNIPAT.ORG
<http://www.unipat.org>
James White > wrote in article
<g7Rsa.713344$3D1.392693@sccrnsc01>...
> Anne Avellone/David M. Geshwind
> > So, to be less round-about: How much experience do you have in
contacting,
> > successfully geting NDAs from, and licensing to Microsoft, Apple, AOL
Time
> > Warner, Intel, IBM, Verizon, MCI, GE, and the like?
>
> A guy who can't even afford his own e-mail account pretends to be
> independently wealthy from his expertise and success in the big-time
markets
> of software and electronics and communications. (BOY DO I EVER BUY INTO
> THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
1. I pretended nothing. I neither made, nor do I make, any claims to be
wealthy, let alone independently wealthy.
Nor did I make any representations about my contacts or success.
I was asking Rodney regarding his experiences in the
computer/communications market area. Not mentioning, let alone bragging,
about mine.
2. I have several email addresses, but I do not post to NGs from them. We
now receive huge amounts (about 100/day) of unsoliceted EMail at this
address, due to spammers trawling the NGs for email addresses. I do not
want to crap up the other addresses.
>
> > (e.g., DSL or cable modems) be installed for there to be a market. It
has
> > been pending for almost 10 years. If I had waited until the market was
> > there, I would have lost out on the patents to others who filed as the
> > market became more obvious.
>
> So you think Theft-By-Patent is the way to go but it's not just quite
> working for you yet? BTW, the law changed and now patents are only
> enforceable from issue to 20 years from date of filing in the US so
advising
> folks to "submarine" patents is EXTREMELY WRONG and UNABASHEDLY
SELF-SERVING
> for a Patent Agent (implication: BUY my services NOW, GREAT REWARDS much
> later). It could even be an ETHICAL VIOLATION which could cost you your
> patent agent status-----at the very least hopefully your job (but I've
seen
> your web site so I think the both of you are in the same "ethical" boat).
I was not advising anybody to do anything. And certainly NOT to "submarine"
patents.
BTW, the law changed roughly July 1995, eight years ago.
Any application pending for 10 years is a pre-GATT application and will
enforcable for 17 years from issue, and NOT measured from filing date.
Again, I was not advising anyone to do anything. I was corresponding with
Rodney about my experience as an inventor (not a patent agent). These are
my applications, not my clients'.
Your characterization of what I said directly (or indirectly implied) is
just wrong. I never said success likely, let alone guarenteed.
I still believe that (while 98% or more of patents may never make a dime)
for those high tech (e.g., computer, communications, biotech, etc.)
ventures that do succeed, virtually all have IP protection (e.g., patents)
at the core of their businesses.
You are obvious ****ed off at somebody. But you are reading your own
expectations into my post. Please reread it.
I did not recommend anybody do anything, let alone hire me to do it. I was
reporting on my experiences and opions as an inventor in the computer
science/tellecom area. I was also questioning the experience behind the
advice Rodney was giving, regarding how to contact companies like
Microsoft.
David M. Geshwind
Registered Patent Agent
UNIPAT.ORG
<http://www.unipat.org>