pagefile.sys

[Timax]

I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126 file
fragments that cannot be defragged. They are located in pagefile.sys but I
am tolded that this file is 'locked' how do I unlock it? Is it a case of
unlocking it and running defrag again or is there something else that I need
to do?

[Shane]

That's the swap file (virtual memory) and is 'always in use'. Diskeeper will
defrag the pagefile - I believe - and in 9x Norton Speed Disk would, but not
sure if the NT versions can. You could reset it's size to the minimum
allowed, reboot, then set it back to the recommended size, though there's so
little to be gained I'd say not to worry about it.


Shane


"Timax" > wrote in message
...
> I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126 file
> fragments that cannot be defragged. They are located in pagefile.sys but I
> am tolded that this file is 'locked' how do I unlock it? Is it a case of
> unlocking it and running defrag again or is there something else that I
need
> to do?
>
>

[Timax]

Does it not matter about the fragments then Shane, will they not slow me up.
The recommended minimum swapfile is 1.5 x memory so I have it set at minimum
already.
"Shane" > wrote in message
...
> That's the swap file (virtual memory) and is 'always in use'. Diskeeper
will
> defrag the pagefile - I believe - and in 9x Norton Speed Disk would, but
not
> sure if the NT versions can. You could reset it's size to the minimum
> allowed, reboot, then set it back to the recommended size, though there's
so
> little to be gained I'd say not to worry about it.
>
>
> Shane
>
>
> "Timax" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126 file
> > fragments that cannot be defragged. They are located in pagefile.sys but
I
> > am tolded that this file is 'locked' how do I unlock it? Is it a case of
> > unlocking it and running defrag again or is there something else that I
> need
> > to do?
> >
> >
>
>

[Shane]

Not so's you'd notice unless you have the absolute minimum (ie below
recommended) hardware requirement for running XP therefore every little loss
is an issue, and in which case more RAM would be a better all-round
solution.

Anyway, I didn't say the recommended minimum but the minimum allowed - which
is why reboot and then reset the figure - which should go some way to
'defragmenting' the file by rebuilding it more contiguously than it was. It
would be more likely to do this if you defragged again before resetting back
to the normal (recommended minimum) level.

If using FAT32 you can boot with a DOS boot disk and delete pagefile.sys and
it should be totally rebuilt on reboot, though I prefer

ECHO.>C:\PAGEFILE.SYS

I don't know if you can do either from the Recovery Console if using NTFS
(and can't test it as I'm re-installing XP right now).

Shane



"Timax" > wrote in message
...
> Does it not matter about the fragments then Shane, will they not slow me
up.
> The recommended minimum swapfile is 1.5 x memory so I have it set at
minimum
> already.
> "Shane" > wrote in message
> ...
> > That's the swap file (virtual memory) and is 'always in use'. Diskeeper
> will
> > defrag the pagefile - I believe - and in 9x Norton Speed Disk would, but
> not
> > sure if the NT versions can. You could reset it's size to the minimum
> > allowed, reboot, then set it back to the recommended size, though
there's
> so
> > little to be gained I'd say not to worry about it.
> >
> >
> > Shane
> >
> >
> > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126 file
> > > fragments that cannot be defragged. They are located in pagefile.sys
but
> I
> > > am tolded that this file is 'locked' how do I unlock it? Is it a case
of
> > > unlocking it and running defrag again or is there something else that
I
> > need
> > > to do?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Timax]

Thx Shane
"Shane" > wrote in message
...
> Not so's you'd notice unless you have the absolute minimum (ie below
> recommended) hardware requirement for running XP therefore every little
loss
> is an issue, and in which case more RAM would be a better all-round
> solution.
>
> Anyway, I didn't say the recommended minimum but the minimum allowed -
which
> is why reboot and then reset the figure - which should go some way to
> 'defragmenting' the file by rebuilding it more contiguously than it was.
It
> would be more likely to do this if you defragged again before resetting
back
> to the normal (recommended minimum) level.
>
> If using FAT32 you can boot with a DOS boot disk and delete pagefile.sys
and
> it should be totally rebuilt on reboot, though I prefer
>
> ECHO.>C:\PAGEFILE.SYS
>
> I don't know if you can do either from the Recovery Console if using NTFS
> (and can't test it as I'm re-installing XP right now).
>
> Shane
>
>
>
> "Timax" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Does it not matter about the fragments then Shane, will they not slow me
> up.
> > The recommended minimum swapfile is 1.5 x memory so I have it set at
> minimum
> > already.
> > "Shane" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > That's the swap file (virtual memory) and is 'always in use'.
Diskeeper
> > will
> > > defrag the pagefile - I believe - and in 9x Norton Speed Disk would,
but
> > not
> > > sure if the NT versions can. You could reset it's size to the minimum
> > > allowed, reboot, then set it back to the recommended size, though
> there's
> > so
> > > little to be gained I'd say not to worry about it.
> > >
> > >
> > > Shane
> > >
> > >
> > > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126
file
> > > > fragments that cannot be defragged. They are located in pagefile.sys
> but
> > I
> > > > am tolded that this file is 'locked' how do I unlock it? Is it a
case
> of
> > > > unlocking it and running defrag again or is there something else
that
> I
> > > need
> > > > to do?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Mike Brearley]

Two things:
1) The 1.5x amount of physical RAM isn't the case with XP. If you have
512MB of memory, there's no reason to set your page files to 768. While on
the other hand, if you only have 128MB, a setting of 192 is probably too
low. But, as Shane was stating, reduce the pagefile down to bare minimum,
reboot, defrag, then put it back and it should no longer be fragmented.

2) Please corrent your computers time. You're posting with tomorrow's date.

--
Posted 'as is'. If there are any spelling and/or grammar mistakes, they
were a direct result of my fingers and brain not being synchronized or my
lack of caffeine.

Mike Brearley


"Timax" > wrote in message
...
> Thx Shane
> "Shane" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Not so's you'd notice unless you have the absolute minimum (ie below
> > recommended) hardware requirement for running XP therefore every little
> loss
> > is an issue, and in which case more RAM would be a better all-round
> > solution.
> >
> > Anyway, I didn't say the recommended minimum but the minimum allowed -
> which
> > is why reboot and then reset the figure - which should go some way to
> > 'defragmenting' the file by rebuilding it more contiguously than it was.
> It
> > would be more likely to do this if you defragged again before resetting
> back
> > to the normal (recommended minimum) level.
> >
> > If using FAT32 you can boot with a DOS boot disk and delete pagefile.sys
> and
> > it should be totally rebuilt on reboot, though I prefer
> >
> > ECHO.>C:\PAGEFILE.SYS
> >
> > I don't know if you can do either from the Recovery Console if using
NTFS
> > (and can't test it as I'm re-installing XP right now).
> >
> > Shane
> >
> >
> >
> > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Does it not matter about the fragments then Shane, will they not slow
me
> > up.
> > > The recommended minimum swapfile is 1.5 x memory so I have it set at
> > minimum
> > > already.
> > > "Shane" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > That's the swap file (virtual memory) and is 'always in use'.
> Diskeeper
> > > will
> > > > defrag the pagefile - I believe - and in 9x Norton Speed Disk would,
> but
> > > not
> > > > sure if the NT versions can. You could reset it's size to the
minimum
> > > > allowed, reboot, then set it back to the recommended size, though
> > there's
> > > so
> > > > little to be gained I'd say not to worry about it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Shane
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126
> file
> > > > > fragments that cannot be defragged. They are located in
pagefile.sys
> > but
> > > I
> > > > > am tolded that this file is 'locked' how do I unlock it? Is it a
> case
> > of
> > > > > unlocking it and running defrag again or is there something else
> that
> > I
> > > > need
> > > > > to do?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Richard Urban]

" I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126 file
fragments that cannot be defragged."

Do you mean to imply that you have other hard drive partitions? If so,
create a pagefile on another drive/partition. Then set drive C: for none.
Press "set". You will have to reboot.

When the system comes back up run a defrag on drive C:. This will
consolidate the free space (more so with some defrag utilities than with
others). After the defrag, you can recreate the pagefile on drive C:.
Assuming that you have a sufficient chunk of contiguous free space, the new
pagefile will be in one segment. You can now eliminate the pagefile on the
2nd drive and use the one on drive C:

--
Regards:

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

"Timax" > wrote in message
...
<snip> I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126
file
fragments that cannot be defragged. <snip>

[Martin S.]

If your using Diskeeper you can set it to do a "boot time" defrag, which
will defrag the pagefile.sys and any other system files that are in use when
Windows is running.



"Timax" > wrote in message
...
> I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126 file
> fragments that cannot be defragged. They are located in pagefile.sys but I
> am tolded that this file is 'locked' how do I unlock it? Is it a case of
> unlocking it and running defrag again or is there something else that I
need
> to do?
>
>

[Gerry Cornell]

Richard

By all means put the pagefile in it's own partition but you need to keep =
a small pagefile in the partition containing the operating system.

If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on C: =
=97 an initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable =97 so it =
can be used in emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore =
the settings and either have no page file at all (and complain) or make =
a very large one indeed on C:

Extract from:
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm

--=20
~~~~~~


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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"Richard Urban" > wrote in message =
...
> " I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126 =
file
> fragments that cannot be defragged."
>=20
> Do you mean to imply that you have other hard drive partitions? If so,
> create a pagefile on another drive/partition. Then set drive C: for =
none.
> Press "set". You will have to reboot.
>=20
> When the system comes back up run a defrag on drive C:. This will
> consolidate the free space (more so with some defrag utilities than =
with
> others). After the defrag, you can recreate the pagefile on drive C:.
> Assuming that you have a sufficient chunk of contiguous free space, =
the new
> pagefile will be in one segment. You can now eliminate the pagefile on =
the
> 2nd drive and use the one on drive C:
>=20
> --=20
> Regards:
>=20
> Richard Urban
>=20
> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>=20
> "Timax" > wrote in message
> ...
> <snip> I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have =
126
> file
> fragments that cannot be defragged. <snip>
>=20
>

[Richard Urban]

Read the post. I told him to ultimately put it back on C:


--
Regards:

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

"Gerry Cornell" > wrote in message
...
Richard

By all means put the pagefile in it's own partition but you need to keep a
small pagefile in the partition containing the operating system.

If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on C: — an
initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable — so it can be used in
emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the settings and
either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large one
indeed on C:

Extract from:
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm

--
~~~~~~


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FCA

Stourport, Worcs, England
Enquire, plan and execute.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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"Richard Urban" > wrote in message
...
> " I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126 file
> fragments that cannot be defragged."
>
> Do you mean to imply that you have other hard drive partitions? If so,
> create a pagefile on another drive/partition. Then set drive C: for none.
> Press "set". You will have to reboot.
>
> When the system comes back up run a defrag on drive C:. This will
> consolidate the free space (more so with some defrag utilities than with
> others). After the defrag, you can recreate the pagefile on drive C:.
> Assuming that you have a sufficient chunk of contiguous free space, the
new
> pagefile will be in one segment. You can now eliminate the pagefile on the
> 2nd drive and use the one on drive C:
>
> --
> Regards:
>
> Richard Urban
>
> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>
> "Timax" > wrote in message
> ...
> <snip> I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126
> file
> fragments that cannot be defragged. <snip>
>
>

[Shane]

No problem.

Shane

"Timax" > wrote in message
...
> Thx Shane
> "Shane" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Not so's you'd notice unless you have the absolute minimum (ie below
> > recommended) hardware requirement for running XP therefore every little
> loss
> > is an issue, and in which case more RAM would be a better all-round
> > solution.
> >
> > Anyway, I didn't say the recommended minimum but the minimum allowed -
> which
> > is why reboot and then reset the figure - which should go some way to
> > 'defragmenting' the file by rebuilding it more contiguously than it was.
> It
> > would be more likely to do this if you defragged again before resetting
> back
> > to the normal (recommended minimum) level.
> >
> > If using FAT32 you can boot with a DOS boot disk and delete pagefile.sys
> and
> > it should be totally rebuilt on reboot, though I prefer
> >
> > ECHO.>C:\PAGEFILE.SYS
> >
> > I don't know if you can do either from the Recovery Console if using
NTFS
> > (and can't test it as I'm re-installing XP right now).
> >
> > Shane
> >
> >
> >
> > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Does it not matter about the fragments then Shane, will they not slow
me
> > up.
> > > The recommended minimum swapfile is 1.5 x memory so I have it set at
> > minimum
> > > already.
> > > "Shane" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > That's the swap file (virtual memory) and is 'always in use'.
> Diskeeper
> > > will
> > > > defrag the pagefile - I believe - and in 9x Norton Speed Disk would,
> but
> > > not
> > > > sure if the NT versions can. You could reset it's size to the
minimum
> > > > allowed, reboot, then set it back to the recommended size, though
> > there's
> > > so
> > > > little to be gained I'd say not to worry about it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Shane
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126
> file
> > > > > fragments that cannot be defragged. They are located in
pagefile.sys
> > but
> > > I
> > > > > am tolded that this file is 'locked' how do I unlock it? Is it a
> case
> > of
> > > > > unlocking it and running defrag again or is there something else
> that
> > I
> > > > need
> > > > > to do?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[RJK]

I've been lurking and reading :-) and I just charged off and had another
read of
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm

JEs' ....
"If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on C: -
an initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be used
in emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the settings
and either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large one
indeed on C:" ....raises a question or two for me.

My XP pro lives on D:\ and W98se on C:\
T'other week I, charged off and changed my xp swapfile setting so that it is
"system managed" size and living on previously empty G:\ ,on my 2nd 80gb hd
(1.93gb), and is currently 2-767mb. And that's the only one I've got in the
machine for xp...and after rebooting I was delighted to delete pagefile.sys
on D:\ Just after that, as soon as I spotted somewhere, that one could
point W98 at the same swapfile, I rushed off to W98's system.ini and slapped
into system.ini as below...(hoping that a semicolon indicates to the system
that it's just a note like one used to do in batch files)... in case I
wanted to do some manual tweaking, and make it all collapse one day, just
for fun !

[386Enh]
PagingFile=G:\PAGEFILE.SYS
PagingDrive=G:
;MinPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
;MaxPagingFileSize=xxxxxx

And so, I was delighted to delete W98se's 386spart.par (grin)...I mean
c:\windows\win386.swp

So, after reading JE's info. about the "small" swapfile that is "best" left
on the xp drive, have I got to immediately rush off and set a swapfile on
D:\ ?
And how does xp use them behind the scenes? Does it always use the "small"
one on D:\ because it's the "first" one i.e. located on the same drive as
XP itslef, and then charge off to use the "main" big
one.....seamlessly....or what ?

What sort of "emergency" are we talking about, that could crop up, where xp
would need the small swapfile on D:\ ?
And, do I understand that XP could create a gigantic swapfile on D:\ if it
so wished, where none was there before ?

regards, Richard


"Richard Urban" > wrote in message
...
> Read the post. I told him to ultimately put it back on C:
>
>
> --
> Regards:
>
> Richard Urban
>
> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>
> "Gerry Cornell" > wrote in message
> ...
> Richard
>
> By all means put the pagefile in it's own partition but you need to keep a
> small pagefile in the partition containing the operating system.
>
> If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on C: -
an
> initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be used
in
> emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the settings and
> either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large one
> indeed on C:
>
> Extract from:
> http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
>
> --
> ~~~~~~
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Gerry
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> FCA
>
> Stourport, Worcs, England
> Enquire, plan and execute.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Please tell the newsgroup how any
> suggested solution worked for you.
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> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> "Richard Urban" > wrote in message
> ...
> > " I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126 file
> > fragments that cannot be defragged."
> >
> > Do you mean to imply that you have other hard drive partitions? If so,
> > create a pagefile on another drive/partition. Then set drive C: for
none.
> > Press "set". You will have to reboot.
> >
> > When the system comes back up run a defrag on drive C:. This will
> > consolidate the free space (more so with some defrag utilities than with
> > others). After the defrag, you can recreate the pagefile on drive C:.
> > Assuming that you have a sufficient chunk of contiguous free space, the
> new
> > pagefile will be in one segment. You can now eliminate the pagefile on
the
> > 2nd drive and use the one on drive C:
> >
> > --
> > Regards:
> >
> > Richard Urban
> >
> > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> >
> > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > <snip> I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126
> > file
> > fragments that cannot be defragged. <snip>
> >
> >
>
>

[Shane]

No problem.

Shane

"Timax" > wrote in message
...
> Thx Shane
> "Shane" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Not so's you'd notice unless you have the absolute minimum (ie below
> > recommended) hardware requirement for running XP therefore every little
> loss
> > is an issue, and in which case more RAM would be a better all-round
> > solution.
> >
> > Anyway, I didn't say the recommended minimum but the minimum allowed -
> which
> > is why reboot and then reset the figure - which should go some way to
> > 'defragmenting' the file by rebuilding it more contiguously than it was.
> It
> > would be more likely to do this if you defragged again before resetting
> back
> > to the normal (recommended minimum) level.
> >
> > If using FAT32 you can boot with a DOS boot disk and delete pagefile.sys
> and
> > it should be totally rebuilt on reboot, though I prefer
> >
> > ECHO.>C:\PAGEFILE.SYS
> >
> > I don't know if you can do either from the Recovery Console if using
NTFS
> > (and can't test it as I'm re-installing XP right now).
> >
> > Shane
> >
> >
> >
> > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Does it not matter about the fragments then Shane, will they not slow
me
> > up.
> > > The recommended minimum swapfile is 1.5 x memory so I have it set at
> > minimum
> > > already.
> > > "Shane" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > That's the swap file (virtual memory) and is 'always in use'.
> Diskeeper
> > > will
> > > > defrag the pagefile - I believe - and in 9x Norton Speed Disk would,
> but
> > > not
> > > > sure if the NT versions can. You could reset it's size to the
minimum
> > > > allowed, reboot, then set it back to the recommended size, though
> > there's
> > > so
> > > > little to be gained I'd say not to worry about it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Shane
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126
> file
> > > > > fragments that cannot be defragged. They are located in
pagefile.sys
> > but
> > > I
> > > > > am tolded that this file is 'locked' how do I unlock it? Is it a
> case
> > of
> > > > > unlocking it and running defrag again or is there something else
> that
> > I
> > > > need
> > > > > to do?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[RJK]

I've been lurking and reading :-) and I just charged off and had another
read of
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm

JEs' ....
"If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on C: -
an initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be used
in emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the settings
and either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large one
indeed on C:" ....raises a question or two for me.

My XP pro lives on D:\ and W98se on C:\
T'other week I, charged off and changed my xp swapfile setting so that it is
"system managed" size and living on previously empty G:\ ,on my 2nd 80gb hd
(1.93gb), and is currently 2-767mb. And that's the only one I've got in the
machine for xp...and after rebooting I was delighted to delete pagefile.sys
on D:\ Just after that, as soon as I spotted somewhere, that one could
point W98 at the same swapfile, I rushed off to W98's system.ini and slapped
into system.ini as below...(hoping that a semicolon indicates to the system
that it's just a note like one used to do in batch files)... in case I
wanted to do some manual tweaking, and make it all collapse one day, just
for fun !

[386Enh]
PagingFile=G:\PAGEFILE.SYS
PagingDrive=G:
;MinPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
;MaxPagingFileSize=xxxxxx

And so, I was delighted to delete W98se's 386spart.par (grin)...I mean
c:\windows\win386.swp

So, after reading JE's info. about the "small" swapfile that is "best" left
on the xp drive, have I got to immediately rush off and set a swapfile on
D:\ ?
And how does xp use them behind the scenes? Does it always use the "small"
one on D:\ because it's the "first" one i.e. located on the same drive as
XP itslef, and then charge off to use the "main" big
one.....seamlessly....or what ?

What sort of "emergency" are we talking about, that could crop up, where xp
would need the small swapfile on D:\ ?
And, do I understand that XP could create a gigantic swapfile on D:\ if it
so wished, where none was there before ?

regards, Richard


"Richard Urban" > wrote in message
...
> Read the post. I told him to ultimately put it back on C:
>
>
> --
> Regards:
>
> Richard Urban
>
> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>
> "Gerry Cornell" > wrote in message
> ...
> Richard
>
> By all means put the pagefile in it's own partition but you need to keep a
> small pagefile in the partition containing the operating system.
>
> If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on C: -
an
> initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be used
in
> emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the settings and
> either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large one
> indeed on C:
>
> Extract from:
> http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
>
> --
> ~~~~~~
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Gerry
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> FCA
>
> Stourport, Worcs, England
> Enquire, plan and execute.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Please tell the newsgroup how any
> suggested solution worked for you.
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> "Richard Urban" > wrote in message
> ...
> > " I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126 file
> > fragments that cannot be defragged."
> >
> > Do you mean to imply that you have other hard drive partitions? If so,
> > create a pagefile on another drive/partition. Then set drive C: for
none.
> > Press "set". You will have to reboot.
> >
> > When the system comes back up run a defrag on drive C:. This will
> > consolidate the free space (more so with some defrag utilities than with
> > others). After the defrag, you can recreate the pagefile on drive C:.
> > Assuming that you have a sufficient chunk of contiguous free space, the
> new
> > pagefile will be in one segment. You can now eliminate the pagefile on
the
> > 2nd drive and use the one on drive C:
> >
> > --
> > Regards:
> >
> > Richard Urban
> >
> > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> >
> > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > <snip> I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126
> > file
> > fragments that cannot be defragged. <snip>
> >
> >
>
>

[Shane]

No problem.

Shane

"Timax" > wrote in message
...
> Thx Shane
> "Shane" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Not so's you'd notice unless you have the absolute minimum (ie below
> > recommended) hardware requirement for running XP therefore every little
> loss
> > is an issue, and in which case more RAM would be a better all-round
> > solution.
> >
> > Anyway, I didn't say the recommended minimum but the minimum allowed -
> which
> > is why reboot and then reset the figure - which should go some way to
> > 'defragmenting' the file by rebuilding it more contiguously than it was.
> It
> > would be more likely to do this if you defragged again before resetting
> back
> > to the normal (recommended minimum) level.
> >
> > If using FAT32 you can boot with a DOS boot disk and delete pagefile.sys
> and
> > it should be totally rebuilt on reboot, though I prefer
> >
> > ECHO.>C:\PAGEFILE.SYS
> >
> > I don't know if you can do either from the Recovery Console if using
NTFS
> > (and can't test it as I'm re-installing XP right now).
> >
> > Shane
> >
> >
> >
> > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Does it not matter about the fragments then Shane, will they not slow
me
> > up.
> > > The recommended minimum swapfile is 1.5 x memory so I have it set at
> > minimum
> > > already.
> > > "Shane" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > That's the swap file (virtual memory) and is 'always in use'.
> Diskeeper
> > > will
> > > > defrag the pagefile - I believe - and in 9x Norton Speed Disk would,
> but
> > > not
> > > > sure if the NT versions can. You could reset it's size to the
minimum
> > > > allowed, reboot, then set it back to the recommended size, though
> > there's
> > > so
> > > > little to be gained I'd say not to worry about it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Shane
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126
> file
> > > > > fragments that cannot be defragged. They are located in
pagefile.sys
> > but
> > > I
> > > > > am tolded that this file is 'locked' how do I unlock it? Is it a
> case
> > of
> > > > > unlocking it and running defrag again or is there something else
> that
> > I
> > > > need
> > > > > to do?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[RJK]

I've been lurking and reading :-) and I just charged off and had another
read of
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm

JEs' ....
"If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on C: -
an initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be used
in emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the settings
and either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large one
indeed on C:" ....raises a question or two for me.

My XP pro lives on D:\ and W98se on C:\
T'other week I, charged off and changed my xp swapfile setting so that it is
"system managed" size and living on previously empty G:\ ,on my 2nd 80gb hd
(1.93gb), and is currently 2-767mb. And that's the only one I've got in the
machine for xp...and after rebooting I was delighted to delete pagefile.sys
on D:\ Just after that, as soon as I spotted somewhere, that one could
point W98 at the same swapfile, I rushed off to W98's system.ini and slapped
into system.ini as below...(hoping that a semicolon indicates to the system
that it's just a note like one used to do in batch files)... in case I
wanted to do some manual tweaking, and make it all collapse one day, just
for fun !

[386Enh]
PagingFile=G:\PAGEFILE.SYS
PagingDrive=G:
;MinPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
;MaxPagingFileSize=xxxxxx

And so, I was delighted to delete W98se's 386spart.par (grin)...I mean
c:\windows\win386.swp

So, after reading JE's info. about the "small" swapfile that is "best" left
on the xp drive, have I got to immediately rush off and set a swapfile on
D:\ ?
And how does xp use them behind the scenes? Does it always use the "small"
one on D:\ because it's the "first" one i.e. located on the same drive as
XP itslef, and then charge off to use the "main" big
one.....seamlessly....or what ?

What sort of "emergency" are we talking about, that could crop up, where xp
would need the small swapfile on D:\ ?
And, do I understand that XP could create a gigantic swapfile on D:\ if it
so wished, where none was there before ?

regards, Richard


"Richard Urban" > wrote in message
...
> Read the post. I told him to ultimately put it back on C:
>
>
> --
> Regards:
>
> Richard Urban
>
> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>
> "Gerry Cornell" > wrote in message
> ...
> Richard
>
> By all means put the pagefile in it's own partition but you need to keep a
> small pagefile in the partition containing the operating system.
>
> If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on C: -
an
> initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be used
in
> emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the settings and
> either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large one
> indeed on C:
>
> Extract from:
> http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
>
> --
> ~~~~~~
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Gerry
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> FCA
>
> Stourport, Worcs, England
> Enquire, plan and execute.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Please tell the newsgroup how any
> suggested solution worked for you.
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> "Richard Urban" > wrote in message
> ...
> > " I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126 file
> > fragments that cannot be defragged."
> >
> > Do you mean to imply that you have other hard drive partitions? If so,
> > create a pagefile on another drive/partition. Then set drive C: for
none.
> > Press "set". You will have to reboot.
> >
> > When the system comes back up run a defrag on drive C:. This will
> > consolidate the free space (more so with some defrag utilities than with
> > others). After the defrag, you can recreate the pagefile on drive C:.
> > Assuming that you have a sufficient chunk of contiguous free space, the
> new
> > pagefile will be in one segment. You can now eliminate the pagefile on
the
> > 2nd drive and use the one on drive C:
> >
> > --
> > Regards:
> >
> > Richard Urban
> >
> > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> >
> > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > <snip> I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126
> > file
> > fragments that cannot be defragged. <snip>
> >
> >
>
>

[Mike Brearley]

If your system is running fine (which it should with no page file located on
the system drive) then just leave it. The emergency situation (blue screen
of death and a memory dump) would require a page file with a minimum of the
amount of ram your computer has. And who really looks through those memory
dumps anyway? I know I don't. I've never ran into a situation where I've
needed to even send it off to a microsoft support tech.

--
Posted 'as is'. If there are any spelling and/or grammar mistakes, they
were a direct result of my fingers and brain not being synchronized or my
lack of caffeine.

Mike Brearley (mike_brearley at hotmail dot com)


"RJK" > wrote in message
...
> I've been lurking and reading :-) and I just charged off and had another
> read of
> http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
>
> JEs' ....
> "If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on C: -
> an initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be
used
> in emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the settings
> and either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large
one
> indeed on C:" ....raises a question or two for me.
>
> My XP pro lives on D:\ and W98se on C:\
> T'other week I, charged off and changed my xp swapfile setting so that it
is
> "system managed" size and living on previously empty G:\ ,on my 2nd 80gb
hd
> (1.93gb), and is currently 2-767mb. And that's the only one I've got in
the
> machine for xp...and after rebooting I was delighted to delete
pagefile.sys
> on D:\ Just after that, as soon as I spotted somewhere, that one could
> point W98 at the same swapfile, I rushed off to W98's system.ini and
slapped
> into system.ini as below...(hoping that a semicolon indicates to the
system
> that it's just a note like one used to do in batch files)... in case I
> wanted to do some manual tweaking, and make it all collapse one day, just
> for fun !
>
> [386Enh]
> PagingFile=G:\PAGEFILE.SYS
> PagingDrive=G:
> ;MinPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
> ;MaxPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
>
> And so, I was delighted to delete W98se's 386spart.par (grin)...I mean
> c:\windows\win386.swp
>
> So, after reading JE's info. about the "small" swapfile that is "best"
left
> on the xp drive, have I got to immediately rush off and set a swapfile on
> D:\ ?
> And how does xp use them behind the scenes? Does it always use the
"small"
> one on D:\ because it's the "first" one i.e. located on the same drive as
> XP itslef, and then charge off to use the "main" big
> one.....seamlessly....or what ?
>
> What sort of "emergency" are we talking about, that could crop up, where
xp
> would need the small swapfile on D:\ ?
> And, do I understand that XP could create a gigantic swapfile on D:\ if it
> so wished, where none was there before ?
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "Richard Urban" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Read the post. I told him to ultimately put it back on C:
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards:
> >
> > Richard Urban
> >
> > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> >
> > "Gerry Cornell" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > Richard
> >
> > By all means put the pagefile in it's own partition but you need to keep
a
> > small pagefile in the partition containing the operating system.
> >
> > If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on
C: -
> an
> > initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be used
> in
> > emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the settings
and
> > either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large one
> > indeed on C:
> >
> > Extract from:
> > http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
> >
> > --
> > ~~~~~~
> >
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Gerry
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > FCA
> >
> > Stourport, Worcs, England
> > Enquire, plan and execute.
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Please tell the newsgroup how any
> > suggested solution worked for you.
> > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> > "Richard Urban" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > " I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126
file
> > > fragments that cannot be defragged."
> > >
> > > Do you mean to imply that you have other hard drive partitions? If so,
> > > create a pagefile on another drive/partition. Then set drive C: for
> none.
> > > Press "set". You will have to reboot.
> > >
> > > When the system comes back up run a defrag on drive C:. This will
> > > consolidate the free space (more so with some defrag utilities than
with
> > > others). After the defrag, you can recreate the pagefile on drive C:.
> > > Assuming that you have a sufficient chunk of contiguous free space,
the
> > new
> > > pagefile will be in one segment. You can now eliminate the pagefile on
> the
> > > 2nd drive and use the one on drive C:
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards:
> > >
> > > Richard Urban
> > >
> > > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > >
> > > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > <snip> I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have
126
> > > file
> > > fragments that cannot be defragged. <snip>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[RJK]

Thanx for that, my system is fine - so there's no benefit or requirement to
having that small swapfile on D:\ where XP.
But, there are conditions where one is required on some machines then, I
guess. And seeing as I haven't got any problems, I'll leave it as it is:-
a single system managed pagefile.sys, currently 2 - 767mb, (forgot to
mention in my last post 2x256mb pc2100 in my machine), located in 2gb drive
G:\ on slave 80gb hd.

I do like keeping an eye out for tweaks that "improve" ones system. e.g.
having a common OE message store on a drive other than my 2 Windows drives.
And having tmp and temp variables pointing at a drive other than the Windows
drives. i.e. I like the idea of reducing fragmentation on the Windows
drives.

regards, Richard


"Mike Brearley" > wrote in message
...
> If your system is running fine (which it should with no page file located
on
> the system drive) then just leave it. The emergency situation (blue
screen
> of death and a memory dump) would require a page file with a minimum of
the
> amount of ram your computer has. And who really looks through those
memory
> dumps anyway? I know I don't. I've never ran into a situation where I've
> needed to even send it off to a microsoft support tech.
>
> --
> Posted 'as is'. If there are any spelling and/or grammar mistakes, they
> were a direct result of my fingers and brain not being synchronized or my
> lack of caffeine.
>
> Mike Brearley (mike_brearley at hotmail dot com)
>
>
> "RJK" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I've been lurking and reading :-) and I just charged off and had
another
> > read of
> > http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
> >
> > JEs' ....
> > "If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on
C: -
> > an initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be
> used
> > in emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the
settings
> > and either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large
> one
> > indeed on C:" ....raises a question or two for me.
> >
> > My XP pro lives on D:\ and W98se on C:\
> > T'other week I, charged off and changed my xp swapfile setting so that
it
> is
> > "system managed" size and living on previously empty G:\ ,on my 2nd
80gb
> hd
> > (1.93gb), and is currently 2-767mb. And that's the only one I've got in
> the
> > machine for xp...and after rebooting I was delighted to delete
> pagefile.sys
> > on D:\ Just after that, as soon as I spotted somewhere, that one
could
> > point W98 at the same swapfile, I rushed off to W98's system.ini and
> slapped
> > into system.ini as below...(hoping that a semicolon indicates to the
> system
> > that it's just a note like one used to do in batch files)... in case I
> > wanted to do some manual tweaking, and make it all collapse one day,
just
> > for fun !
> >
> > [386Enh]
> > PagingFile=G:\PAGEFILE.SYS
> > PagingDrive=G:
> > ;MinPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
> > ;MaxPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
> >
> > And so, I was delighted to delete W98se's 386spart.par (grin)...I
mean
> > c:\windows\win386.swp
> >
> > So, after reading JE's info. about the "small" swapfile that is "best"
> left
> > on the xp drive, have I got to immediately rush off and set a swapfile
on
> > D:\ ?
> > And how does xp use them behind the scenes? Does it always use the
> "small"
> > one on D:\ because it's the "first" one i.e. located on the same drive
as
> > XP itslef, and then charge off to use the "main" big
> > one.....seamlessly....or what ?
> >
> > What sort of "emergency" are we talking about, that could crop up, where
> xp
> > would need the small swapfile on D:\ ?
> > And, do I understand that XP could create a gigantic swapfile on D:\ if
it
> > so wished, where none was there before ?
> >
> > regards, Richard
> >
> >
> > "Richard Urban" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Read the post. I told him to ultimately put it back on C:
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards:
> > >
> > > Richard Urban
> > >
> > > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > >
> > > "Gerry Cornell" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > Richard
> > >
> > > By all means put the pagefile in it's own partition but you need to
keep
> a
> > > small pagefile in the partition containing the operating system.
> > >
> > > If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on
> C: -
> > an
> > > initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be
used
> > in
> > > emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the settings
> and
> > > either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large
one
> > > indeed on C:
> > >
> > > Extract from:
> > > http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
> > >
> > > --
> > > ~~~~~~
> > >
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > Gerry
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > FCA
> > >
> > > Stourport, Worcs, England
> > > Enquire, plan and execute.
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > Please tell the newsgroup how any
> > > suggested solution worked for you.
> > > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > >
> > > "Richard Urban" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > " I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126
> file
> > > > fragments that cannot be defragged."
> > > >
> > > > Do you mean to imply that you have other hard drive partitions? If
so,
> > > > create a pagefile on another drive/partition. Then set drive C: for
> > none.
> > > > Press "set". You will have to reboot.
> > > >
> > > > When the system comes back up run a defrag on drive C:. This will
> > > > consolidate the free space (more so with some defrag utilities than
> with
> > > > others). After the defrag, you can recreate the pagefile on drive
C:.
> > > > Assuming that you have a sufficient chunk of contiguous free space,
> the
> > > new
> > > > pagefile will be in one segment. You can now eliminate the pagefile
on
> > the
> > > > 2nd drive and use the one on drive C:
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Regards:
> > > >
> > > > Richard Urban
> > > >
> > > > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > > >
> > > > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > <snip> I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have
> 126
> > > > file
> > > > fragments that cannot be defragged. <snip>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[RJK]

"lives" should be at the end of that last sentence !

regards, Richard


"RJK" > wrote in message
...
> Thanx for that, my system is fine - so there's no benefit or requirement
to
> having that small swapfile on D:\ where XP.
> But, there are conditions where one is required on some machines then, I
> guess. And seeing as I haven't got any problems, I'll leave it as it is:-
> a single system managed pagefile.sys, currently 2 - 767mb, (forgot to
> mention in my last post 2x256mb pc2100 in my machine), located in 2gb
drive
> G:\ on slave 80gb hd.
>
> I do like keeping an eye out for tweaks that "improve" ones system. e.g.
> having a common OE message store on a drive other than my 2 Windows
drives.
> And having tmp and temp variables pointing at a drive other than the
Windows
> drives. i.e. I like the idea of reducing fragmentation on the Windows
> drives.
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "Mike Brearley" > wrote in message
> ...
> > If your system is running fine (which it should with no page file
located
> on
> > the system drive) then just leave it. The emergency situation (blue
> screen
> > of death and a memory dump) would require a page file with a minimum of
> the
> > amount of ram your computer has. And who really looks through those
> memory
> > dumps anyway? I know I don't. I've never ran into a situation where
I've
> > needed to even send it off to a microsoft support tech.
> >
> > --
> > Posted 'as is'. If there are any spelling and/or grammar mistakes, they
> > were a direct result of my fingers and brain not being synchronized or
my
> > lack of caffeine.
> >
> > Mike Brearley (mike_brearley at hotmail dot com)
> >
> >
> > "RJK" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I've been lurking and reading :-) and I just charged off and had
> another
> > > read of
> > > http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
> > >
> > > JEs' ....
> > > "If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on
> C: -
> > > an initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be
> > used
> > > in emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the
> settings
> > > and either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very
large
> > one
> > > indeed on C:" ....raises a question or two for me.
> > >
> > > My XP pro lives on D:\ and W98se on C:\
> > > T'other week I, charged off and changed my xp swapfile setting so that
> it
> > is
> > > "system managed" size and living on previously empty G:\ ,on my 2nd
> 80gb
> > hd
> > > (1.93gb), and is currently 2-767mb. And that's the only one I've got
in
> > the
> > > machine for xp...and after rebooting I was delighted to delete
> > pagefile.sys
> > > on D:\ Just after that, as soon as I spotted somewhere, that one
> could
> > > point W98 at the same swapfile, I rushed off to W98's system.ini and
> > slapped
> > > into system.ini as below...(hoping that a semicolon indicates to the
> > system
> > > that it's just a note like one used to do in batch files)... in case I
> > > wanted to do some manual tweaking, and make it all collapse one day,
> just
> > > for fun !
> > >
> > > [386Enh]
> > > PagingFile=G:\PAGEFILE.SYS
> > > PagingDrive=G:
> > > ;MinPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
> > > ;MaxPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
> > >
> > > And so, I was delighted to delete W98se's 386spart.par (grin)...I
> mean
> > > c:\windows\win386.swp
> > >
> > > So, after reading JE's info. about the "small" swapfile that is "best"
> > left
> > > on the xp drive, have I got to immediately rush off and set a swapfile
> on
> > > D:\ ?
> > > And how does xp use them behind the scenes? Does it always use the
> > "small"
> > > one on D:\ because it's the "first" one i.e. located on the same
drive
> as
> > > XP itslef, and then charge off to use the "main" big
> > > one.....seamlessly....or what ?
> > >
> > > What sort of "emergency" are we talking about, that could crop up,
where
> > xp
> > > would need the small swapfile on D:\ ?
> > > And, do I understand that XP could create a gigantic swapfile on D:\
if
> it
> > > so wished, where none was there before ?
> > >
> > > regards, Richard
> > >
> > >
> > > "Richard Urban" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Read the post. I told him to ultimately put it back on C:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Regards:
> > > >
> > > > Richard Urban
> > > >
> > > > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > > >
> > > > "Gerry Cornell" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > Richard
> > > >
> > > > By all means put the pagefile in it's own partition but you need to
> keep
> > a
> > > > small pagefile in the partition containing the operating system.
> > > >
> > > > If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on
> > C: -
> > > an
> > > > initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be
> used
> > > in
> > > > emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the
settings
> > and
> > > > either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large
> one
> > > > indeed on C:
> > > >
> > > > Extract from:
> > > > http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > ~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps.
> > > >
> > > > Gerry
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > FCA
> > > >
> > > > Stourport, Worcs, England
> > > > Enquire, plan and execute.
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > Please tell the newsgroup how any
> > > > suggested solution worked for you.
> > > > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Richard Urban" > wrote in
message
> > > > ...
> > > > > " I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have
126
> > file
> > > > > fragments that cannot be defragged."
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you mean to imply that you have other hard drive partitions? If
> so,
> > > > > create a pagefile on another drive/partition. Then set drive C:
for
> > > none.
> > > > > Press "set". You will have to reboot.
> > > > >
> > > > > When the system comes back up run a defrag on drive C:. This will
> > > > > consolidate the free space (more so with some defrag utilities
than
> > with
> > > > > others). After the defrag, you can recreate the pagefile on drive
> C:.
> > > > > Assuming that you have a sufficient chunk of contiguous free
space,
> > the
> > > > new
> > > > > pagefile will be in one segment. You can now eliminate the
pagefile
> on
> > > the
> > > > > 2nd drive and use the one on drive C:
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Regards:
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard Urban
> > > > >
> > > > > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > <snip> I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i
have
> > 126
> > > > > file
> > > > > fragments that cannot be defragged. <snip>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Shane]

No problem.

Shane

"Timax" > wrote in message
...
> Thx Shane
> "Shane" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Not so's you'd notice unless you have the absolute minimum (ie below
> > recommended) hardware requirement for running XP therefore every little
> loss
> > is an issue, and in which case more RAM would be a better all-round
> > solution.
> >
> > Anyway, I didn't say the recommended minimum but the minimum allowed -
> which
> > is why reboot and then reset the figure - which should go some way to
> > 'defragmenting' the file by rebuilding it more contiguously than it was.
> It
> > would be more likely to do this if you defragged again before resetting
> back
> > to the normal (recommended minimum) level.
> >
> > If using FAT32 you can boot with a DOS boot disk and delete pagefile.sys
> and
> > it should be totally rebuilt on reboot, though I prefer
> >
> > ECHO.>C:\PAGEFILE.SYS
> >
> > I don't know if you can do either from the Recovery Console if using
NTFS
> > (and can't test it as I'm re-installing XP right now).
> >
> > Shane
> >
> >
> >
> > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Does it not matter about the fragments then Shane, will they not slow
me
> > up.
> > > The recommended minimum swapfile is 1.5 x memory so I have it set at
> > minimum
> > > already.
> > > "Shane" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > That's the swap file (virtual memory) and is 'always in use'.
> Diskeeper
> > > will
> > > > defrag the pagefile - I believe - and in 9x Norton Speed Disk would,
> but
> > > not
> > > > sure if the NT versions can. You could reset it's size to the
minimum
> > > > allowed, reboot, then set it back to the recommended size, though
> > there's
> > > so
> > > > little to be gained I'd say not to worry about it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Shane
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126
> file
> > > > > fragments that cannot be defragged. They are located in
pagefile.sys
> > but
> > > I
> > > > > am tolded that this file is 'locked' how do I unlock it? Is it a
> case
> > of
> > > > > unlocking it and running defrag again or is there something else
> that
> > I
> > > > need
> > > > > to do?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Alex Nichol]

Timax wrote:

>I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126 file
>fragments that cannot be defragged. They are located in pagefile.sys but I
>am tolded that this file is 'locked' how do I unlock it?

It is not that important a point, but 126 is high. Do the following:

In Control Panel - System - Advanced - Performance and click Settings -
Advanced - Virtual Memory click Change

Highlight the drive and select 'no page file' click Set to the right, OK
out and reboot. As the BIOS info goes to black, hit F8, and in the Menu
take Safe Mode. Use that to run the defragmenter, then go back to the
place above, and put the page file settings back to what they were;
click Set and reboot. The standard defragmenter does not consolidate
free space, so if that is broken into small pieces you may still get a
bit of fragmentation of a new large file, but not enough to matter


--
Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)

[RJK]

I've been lurking and reading :-) and I just charged off and had another
read of
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm

JEs' ....
"If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on C: -
an initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be used
in emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the settings
and either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large one
indeed on C:" ....raises a question or two for me.

My XP pro lives on D:\ and W98se on C:\
T'other week I, charged off and changed my xp swapfile setting so that it is
"system managed" size and living on previously empty G:\ ,on my 2nd 80gb hd
(1.93gb), and is currently 2-767mb. And that's the only one I've got in the
machine for xp...and after rebooting I was delighted to delete pagefile.sys
on D:\ Just after that, as soon as I spotted somewhere, that one could
point W98 at the same swapfile, I rushed off to W98's system.ini and slapped
into system.ini as below...(hoping that a semicolon indicates to the system
that it's just a note like one used to do in batch files)... in case I
wanted to do some manual tweaking, and make it all collapse one day, just
for fun !

[386Enh]
PagingFile=G:\PAGEFILE.SYS
PagingDrive=G:
;MinPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
;MaxPagingFileSize=xxxxxx

And so, I was delighted to delete W98se's 386spart.par (grin)...I mean
c:\windows\win386.swp

So, after reading JE's info. about the "small" swapfile that is "best" left
on the xp drive, have I got to immediately rush off and set a swapfile on
D:\ ?
And how does xp use them behind the scenes? Does it always use the "small"
one on D:\ because it's the "first" one i.e. located on the same drive as
XP itslef, and then charge off to use the "main" big
one.....seamlessly....or what ?

What sort of "emergency" are we talking about, that could crop up, where xp
would need the small swapfile on D:\ ?
And, do I understand that XP could create a gigantic swapfile on D:\ if it
so wished, where none was there before ?

regards, Richard


"Richard Urban" > wrote in message
...
> Read the post. I told him to ultimately put it back on C:
>
>
> --
> Regards:
>
> Richard Urban
>
> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>
> "Gerry Cornell" > wrote in message
> ...
> Richard
>
> By all means put the pagefile in it's own partition but you need to keep a
> small pagefile in the partition containing the operating system.
>
> If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on C: -
an
> initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be used
in
> emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the settings and
> either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large one
> indeed on C:
>
> Extract from:
> http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
>
> --
> ~~~~~~
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Gerry
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> FCA
>
> Stourport, Worcs, England
> Enquire, plan and execute.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Please tell the newsgroup how any
> suggested solution worked for you.
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> "Richard Urban" > wrote in message
> ...
> > " I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126 file
> > fragments that cannot be defragged."
> >
> > Do you mean to imply that you have other hard drive partitions? If so,
> > create a pagefile on another drive/partition. Then set drive C: for
none.
> > Press "set". You will have to reboot.
> >
> > When the system comes back up run a defrag on drive C:. This will
> > consolidate the free space (more so with some defrag utilities than with
> > others). After the defrag, you can recreate the pagefile on drive C:.
> > Assuming that you have a sufficient chunk of contiguous free space, the
> new
> > pagefile will be in one segment. You can now eliminate the pagefile on
the
> > 2nd drive and use the one on drive C:
> >
> > --
> > Regards:
> >
> > Richard Urban
> >
> > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> >
> > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > <snip> I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126
> > file
> > fragments that cannot be defragged. <snip>
> >
> >
>
>

[Mike Brearley]

If your system is running fine (which it should with no page file located on
the system drive) then just leave it. The emergency situation (blue screen
of death and a memory dump) would require a page file with a minimum of the
amount of ram your computer has. And who really looks through those memory
dumps anyway? I know I don't. I've never ran into a situation where I've
needed to even send it off to a microsoft support tech.

--
Posted 'as is'. If there are any spelling and/or grammar mistakes, they
were a direct result of my fingers and brain not being synchronized or my
lack of caffeine.

Mike Brearley (mike_brearley at hotmail dot com)


"RJK" > wrote in message
...
> I've been lurking and reading :-) and I just charged off and had another
> read of
> http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
>
> JEs' ....
> "If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on C: -
> an initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be
used
> in emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the settings
> and either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large
one
> indeed on C:" ....raises a question or two for me.
>
> My XP pro lives on D:\ and W98se on C:\
> T'other week I, charged off and changed my xp swapfile setting so that it
is
> "system managed" size and living on previously empty G:\ ,on my 2nd 80gb
hd
> (1.93gb), and is currently 2-767mb. And that's the only one I've got in
the
> machine for xp...and after rebooting I was delighted to delete
pagefile.sys
> on D:\ Just after that, as soon as I spotted somewhere, that one could
> point W98 at the same swapfile, I rushed off to W98's system.ini and
slapped
> into system.ini as below...(hoping that a semicolon indicates to the
system
> that it's just a note like one used to do in batch files)... in case I
> wanted to do some manual tweaking, and make it all collapse one day, just
> for fun !
>
> [386Enh]
> PagingFile=G:\PAGEFILE.SYS
> PagingDrive=G:
> ;MinPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
> ;MaxPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
>
> And so, I was delighted to delete W98se's 386spart.par (grin)...I mean
> c:\windows\win386.swp
>
> So, after reading JE's info. about the "small" swapfile that is "best"
left
> on the xp drive, have I got to immediately rush off and set a swapfile on
> D:\ ?
> And how does xp use them behind the scenes? Does it always use the
"small"
> one on D:\ because it's the "first" one i.e. located on the same drive as
> XP itslef, and then charge off to use the "main" big
> one.....seamlessly....or what ?
>
> What sort of "emergency" are we talking about, that could crop up, where
xp
> would need the small swapfile on D:\ ?
> And, do I understand that XP could create a gigantic swapfile on D:\ if it
> so wished, where none was there before ?
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "Richard Urban" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Read the post. I told him to ultimately put it back on C:
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards:
> >
> > Richard Urban
> >
> > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> >
> > "Gerry Cornell" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > Richard
> >
> > By all means put the pagefile in it's own partition but you need to keep
a
> > small pagefile in the partition containing the operating system.
> >
> > If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on
C: -
> an
> > initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be used
> in
> > emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the settings
and
> > either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large one
> > indeed on C:
> >
> > Extract from:
> > http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
> >
> > --
> > ~~~~~~
> >
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Gerry
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > FCA
> >
> > Stourport, Worcs, England
> > Enquire, plan and execute.
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Please tell the newsgroup how any
> > suggested solution worked for you.
> > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> > "Richard Urban" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > " I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126
file
> > > fragments that cannot be defragged."
> > >
> > > Do you mean to imply that you have other hard drive partitions? If so,
> > > create a pagefile on another drive/partition. Then set drive C: for
> none.
> > > Press "set". You will have to reboot.
> > >
> > > When the system comes back up run a defrag on drive C:. This will
> > > consolidate the free space (more so with some defrag utilities than
with
> > > others). After the defrag, you can recreate the pagefile on drive C:.
> > > Assuming that you have a sufficient chunk of contiguous free space,
the
> > new
> > > pagefile will be in one segment. You can now eliminate the pagefile on
> the
> > > 2nd drive and use the one on drive C:
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards:
> > >
> > > Richard Urban
> > >
> > > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > >
> > > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > <snip> I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have
126
> > > file
> > > fragments that cannot be defragged. <snip>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[RJK]

Thanx for that, my system is fine - so there's no benefit or requirement to
having that small swapfile on D:\ where XP.
But, there are conditions where one is required on some machines then, I
guess. And seeing as I haven't got any problems, I'll leave it as it is:-
a single system managed pagefile.sys, currently 2 - 767mb, (forgot to
mention in my last post 2x256mb pc2100 in my machine), located in 2gb drive
G:\ on slave 80gb hd.

I do like keeping an eye out for tweaks that "improve" ones system. e.g.
having a common OE message store on a drive other than my 2 Windows drives.
And having tmp and temp variables pointing at a drive other than the Windows
drives. i.e. I like the idea of reducing fragmentation on the Windows
drives.

regards, Richard


"Mike Brearley" > wrote in message
...
> If your system is running fine (which it should with no page file located
on
> the system drive) then just leave it. The emergency situation (blue
screen
> of death and a memory dump) would require a page file with a minimum of
the
> amount of ram your computer has. And who really looks through those
memory
> dumps anyway? I know I don't. I've never ran into a situation where I've
> needed to even send it off to a microsoft support tech.
>
> --
> Posted 'as is'. If there are any spelling and/or grammar mistakes, they
> were a direct result of my fingers and brain not being synchronized or my
> lack of caffeine.
>
> Mike Brearley (mike_brearley at hotmail dot com)
>
>
> "RJK" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I've been lurking and reading :-) and I just charged off and had
another
> > read of
> > http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
> >
> > JEs' ....
> > "If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on
C: -
> > an initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be
> used
> > in emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the
settings
> > and either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large
> one
> > indeed on C:" ....raises a question or two for me.
> >
> > My XP pro lives on D:\ and W98se on C:\
> > T'other week I, charged off and changed my xp swapfile setting so that
it
> is
> > "system managed" size and living on previously empty G:\ ,on my 2nd
80gb
> hd
> > (1.93gb), and is currently 2-767mb. And that's the only one I've got in
> the
> > machine for xp...and after rebooting I was delighted to delete
> pagefile.sys
> > on D:\ Just after that, as soon as I spotted somewhere, that one
could
> > point W98 at the same swapfile, I rushed off to W98's system.ini and
> slapped
> > into system.ini as below...(hoping that a semicolon indicates to the
> system
> > that it's just a note like one used to do in batch files)... in case I
> > wanted to do some manual tweaking, and make it all collapse one day,
just
> > for fun !
> >
> > [386Enh]
> > PagingFile=G:\PAGEFILE.SYS
> > PagingDrive=G:
> > ;MinPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
> > ;MaxPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
> >
> > And so, I was delighted to delete W98se's 386spart.par (grin)...I
mean
> > c:\windows\win386.swp
> >
> > So, after reading JE's info. about the "small" swapfile that is "best"
> left
> > on the xp drive, have I got to immediately rush off and set a swapfile
on
> > D:\ ?
> > And how does xp use them behind the scenes? Does it always use the
> "small"
> > one on D:\ because it's the "first" one i.e. located on the same drive
as
> > XP itslef, and then charge off to use the "main" big
> > one.....seamlessly....or what ?
> >
> > What sort of "emergency" are we talking about, that could crop up, where
> xp
> > would need the small swapfile on D:\ ?
> > And, do I understand that XP could create a gigantic swapfile on D:\ if
it
> > so wished, where none was there before ?
> >
> > regards, Richard
> >
> >
> > "Richard Urban" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Read the post. I told him to ultimately put it back on C:
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards:
> > >
> > > Richard Urban
> > >
> > > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > >
> > > "Gerry Cornell" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > Richard
> > >
> > > By all means put the pagefile in it's own partition but you need to
keep
> a
> > > small pagefile in the partition containing the operating system.
> > >
> > > If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on
> C: -
> > an
> > > initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be
used
> > in
> > > emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the settings
> and
> > > either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large
one
> > > indeed on C:
> > >
> > > Extract from:
> > > http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
> > >
> > > --
> > > ~~~~~~
> > >
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > Gerry
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > FCA
> > >
> > > Stourport, Worcs, England
> > > Enquire, plan and execute.
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > Please tell the newsgroup how any
> > > suggested solution worked for you.
> > > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > >
> > > "Richard Urban" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > " I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126
> file
> > > > fragments that cannot be defragged."
> > > >
> > > > Do you mean to imply that you have other hard drive partitions? If
so,
> > > > create a pagefile on another drive/partition. Then set drive C: for
> > none.
> > > > Press "set". You will have to reboot.
> > > >
> > > > When the system comes back up run a defrag on drive C:. This will
> > > > consolidate the free space (more so with some defrag utilities than
> with
> > > > others). After the defrag, you can recreate the pagefile on drive
C:.
> > > > Assuming that you have a sufficient chunk of contiguous free space,
> the
> > > new
> > > > pagefile will be in one segment. You can now eliminate the pagefile
on
> > the
> > > > 2nd drive and use the one on drive C:
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Regards:
> > > >
> > > > Richard Urban
> > > >
> > > > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > > >
> > > > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > <snip> I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have
> 126
> > > > file
> > > > fragments that cannot be defragged. <snip>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[RJK]

"lives" should be at the end of that last sentence !

regards, Richard


"RJK" > wrote in message
...
> Thanx for that, my system is fine - so there's no benefit or requirement
to
> having that small swapfile on D:\ where XP.
> But, there are conditions where one is required on some machines then, I
> guess. And seeing as I haven't got any problems, I'll leave it as it is:-
> a single system managed pagefile.sys, currently 2 - 767mb, (forgot to
> mention in my last post 2x256mb pc2100 in my machine), located in 2gb
drive
> G:\ on slave 80gb hd.
>
> I do like keeping an eye out for tweaks that "improve" ones system. e.g.
> having a common OE message store on a drive other than my 2 Windows
drives.
> And having tmp and temp variables pointing at a drive other than the
Windows
> drives. i.e. I like the idea of reducing fragmentation on the Windows
> drives.
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "Mike Brearley" > wrote in message
> ...
> > If your system is running fine (which it should with no page file
located
> on
> > the system drive) then just leave it. The emergency situation (blue
> screen
> > of death and a memory dump) would require a page file with a minimum of
> the
> > amount of ram your computer has. And who really looks through those
> memory
> > dumps anyway? I know I don't. I've never ran into a situation where
I've
> > needed to even send it off to a microsoft support tech.
> >
> > --
> > Posted 'as is'. If there are any spelling and/or grammar mistakes, they
> > were a direct result of my fingers and brain not being synchronized or
my
> > lack of caffeine.
> >
> > Mike Brearley (mike_brearley at hotmail dot com)
> >
> >
> > "RJK" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I've been lurking and reading :-) and I just charged off and had
> another
> > > read of
> > > http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
> > >
> > > JEs' ....
> > > "If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on
> C: -
> > > an initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be
> > used
> > > in emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the
> settings
> > > and either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very
large
> > one
> > > indeed on C:" ....raises a question or two for me.
> > >
> > > My XP pro lives on D:\ and W98se on C:\
> > > T'other week I, charged off and changed my xp swapfile setting so that
> it
> > is
> > > "system managed" size and living on previously empty G:\ ,on my 2nd
> 80gb
> > hd
> > > (1.93gb), and is currently 2-767mb. And that's the only one I've got
in
> > the
> > > machine for xp...and after rebooting I was delighted to delete
> > pagefile.sys
> > > on D:\ Just after that, as soon as I spotted somewhere, that one
> could
> > > point W98 at the same swapfile, I rushed off to W98's system.ini and
> > slapped
> > > into system.ini as below...(hoping that a semicolon indicates to the
> > system
> > > that it's just a note like one used to do in batch files)... in case I
> > > wanted to do some manual tweaking, and make it all collapse one day,
> just
> > > for fun !
> > >
> > > [386Enh]
> > > PagingFile=G:\PAGEFILE.SYS
> > > PagingDrive=G:
> > > ;MinPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
> > > ;MaxPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
> > >
> > > And so, I was delighted to delete W98se's 386spart.par (grin)...I
> mean
> > > c:\windows\win386.swp
> > >
> > > So, after reading JE's info. about the "small" swapfile that is "best"
> > left
> > > on the xp drive, have I got to immediately rush off and set a swapfile
> on
> > > D:\ ?
> > > And how does xp use them behind the scenes? Does it always use the
> > "small"
> > > one on D:\ because it's the "first" one i.e. located on the same
drive
> as
> > > XP itslef, and then charge off to use the "main" big
> > > one.....seamlessly....or what ?
> > >
> > > What sort of "emergency" are we talking about, that could crop up,
where
> > xp
> > > would need the small swapfile on D:\ ?
> > > And, do I understand that XP could create a gigantic swapfile on D:\
if
> it
> > > so wished, where none was there before ?
> > >
> > > regards, Richard
> > >
> > >
> > > "Richard Urban" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Read the post. I told him to ultimately put it back on C:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Regards:
> > > >
> > > > Richard Urban
> > > >
> > > > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > > >
> > > > "Gerry Cornell" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > Richard
> > > >
> > > > By all means put the pagefile in it's own partition but you need to
> keep
> > a
> > > > small pagefile in the partition containing the operating system.
> > > >
> > > > If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on
> > C: -
> > > an
> > > > initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be
> used
> > > in
> > > > emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the
settings
> > and
> > > > either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large
> one
> > > > indeed on C:
> > > >
> > > > Extract from:
> > > > http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > ~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps.
> > > >
> > > > Gerry
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > FCA
> > > >
> > > > Stourport, Worcs, England
> > > > Enquire, plan and execute.
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > Please tell the newsgroup how any
> > > > suggested solution worked for you.
> > > > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Richard Urban" > wrote in
message
> > > > ...
> > > > > " I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have
126
> > file
> > > > > fragments that cannot be defragged."
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you mean to imply that you have other hard drive partitions? If
> so,
> > > > > create a pagefile on another drive/partition. Then set drive C:
for
> > > none.
> > > > > Press "set". You will have to reboot.
> > > > >
> > > > > When the system comes back up run a defrag on drive C:. This will
> > > > > consolidate the free space (more so with some defrag utilities
than
> > with
> > > > > others). After the defrag, you can recreate the pagefile on drive
> C:.
> > > > > Assuming that you have a sufficient chunk of contiguous free
space,
> > the
> > > > new
> > > > > pagefile will be in one segment. You can now eliminate the
pagefile
> on
> > > the
> > > > > 2nd drive and use the one on drive C:
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Regards:
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard Urban
> > > > >
> > > > > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > <snip> I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i
have
> > 126
> > > > > file
> > > > > fragments that cannot be defragged. <snip>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Alex Nichol]

Timax wrote:

>I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126 file
>fragments that cannot be defragged. They are located in pagefile.sys but I
>am tolded that this file is 'locked' how do I unlock it?

It is not that important a point, but 126 is high. Do the following:

In Control Panel - System - Advanced - Performance and click Settings -
Advanced - Virtual Memory click Change

Highlight the drive and select 'no page file' click Set to the right, OK
out and reboot. As the BIOS info goes to black, hit F8, and in the Menu
take Safe Mode. Use that to run the defragmenter, then go back to the
place above, and put the page file settings back to what they were;
click Set and reboot. The standard defragmenter does not consolidate
free space, so if that is broken into small pieces you may still get a
bit of fragmentation of a new large file, but not enough to matter


--
Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)

[Gerry Cornell]

Alex

Can Win XP and Windows 98 share pagefile.sys as suggested elsewhere in =
this thread? I assume it would be possible if pagefile.sys was on an =
NTFS formatted partition?

--=20

~~~~~~

Regards.

Gerry

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FCA

Stourport, Worcs, England
Enquire, plan and execute.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


"Alex Nichol" > wrote in message =
...
> Timax wrote:
>=20
> >I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126 =
file
> >fragments that cannot be defragged. They are located in pagefile.sys =
but I
> >am tolded that this file is 'locked' how do I unlock it?
>=20
> It is not that important a point, but 126 is high. Do the following:
>=20
> In Control Panel - System - Advanced - Performance and click Settings =
-
> Advanced - Virtual Memory click Change=20
>=20
> Highlight the drive and select 'no page file' click Set to the right, =
OK
> out and reboot. As the BIOS info goes to black, hit F8, and in the =
Menu
> take Safe Mode. Use that to run the defragmenter, then go back to the
> place above, and put the page file settings back to what they were;
> click Set and reboot. The standard defragmenter does not consolidate
> free space, so if that is broken into small pieces you may still get a
> bit of fragmentation of a new large file, but not enough to matter
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
> Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)

[Gerry Cornell]

Make partition G a smaller partition and create a new partition or =
partitions to take the remainder of the original G:\. This will have the =
affect of keeping the swap file together therefore reducing =
fragmentation of files in the other partition! You can do the same with =
other files which constantly change e.g. temporary internet files and =
Outlook Express dbx files. If you keep these separate from the operating =
system and programme files you should see performance gains. However, =
you need a Partitioning tool to be able to change partition sizes from =
time to time as fixed size partitions do not work in practice.


--=20
~~~~~~


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FCA

Stourport, Worcs, England
Enquire, plan and execute.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Please tell the newsgroup how any=20
suggested solution worked for you.
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


=20


"RJK" > wrote in message =
...
> Thanx for that, my system is fine - so there's no benefit or =
requirement to
> having that small swapfile on D:\ where XP.
> But, there are conditions where one is required on some machines then, =
I
> guess. And seeing as I haven't got any problems, I'll leave it as it =
is:-
> a single system managed pagefile.sys, currently 2 - 767mb, (forgot to
> mention in my last post 2x256mb pc2100 in my machine), located in 2gb =
drive
> G:\ on slave 80gb hd.
>=20
> I do like keeping an eye out for tweaks that "improve" ones system. =
e.g.
> having a common OE message store on a drive other than my 2 Windows =
drives.
> And having tmp and temp variables pointing at a drive other than the =
Windows
> drives. i.e. I like the idea of reducing fragmentation on the Windows
> drives.
>=20
> regards, Richard
>=20
>=20
> "Mike Brearley" > wrote in =
message
> ...
> > If your system is running fine (which it should with no page file =
located
> on
> > the system drive) then just leave it. The emergency situation (blue
> screen
> > of death and a memory dump) would require a page file with a minimum =
of
> the
> > amount of ram your computer has. And who really looks through those
> memory
> > dumps anyway? I know I don't. I've never ran into a situation =
where I've
> > needed to even send it off to a microsoft support tech.
> >
> > --=20
> > Posted 'as is'. If there are any spelling and/or grammar mistakes, =
they
> > were a direct result of my fingers and brain not being synchronized =
or my
> > lack of caffeine.
> >
> > Mike Brearley (mike_brearley at hotmail dot com)
> >
> >
> > "RJK" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I've been lurking and reading :-) and I just charged off and had
> another
> > > read of
> > > http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
> > >
> > > JEs' ....
> > > "If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount =
on
> C: -
> > > an initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it =
can be
> > used
> > > in emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the
> settings
> > > and either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very =
large
> > one
> > > indeed on C:" ....raises a question or two for me.
> > >
> > > My XP pro lives on D:\ and W98se on C:\
> > > T'other week I, charged off and changed my xp swapfile setting so =
that
> it
> > is
> > > "system managed" size and living on previously empty G:\ ,on my =
2nd
> 80gb
> > hd
> > > (1.93gb), and is currently 2-767mb. And that's the only one I've =
got in
> > the
> > > machine for xp...and after rebooting I was delighted to delete
> > pagefile.sys
> > > on D:\ Just after that, as soon as I spotted somewhere, that =
one
> could
> > > point W98 at the same swapfile, I rushed off to W98's system.ini =
and
> > slapped
> > > into system.ini as below...(hoping that a semicolon indicates to =
the
> > system
> > > that it's just a note like one used to do in batch files)... in =
case I
> > > wanted to do some manual tweaking, and make it all collapse one =
day,
> just
> > > for fun !
> > >
> > > [386Enh]
> > > PagingFile=3DG:\PAGEFILE.SYS
> > > PagingDrive=3DG:
> > > ;MinPagingFileSize=3Dxxxxxx
> > > ;MaxPagingFileSize=3Dxxxxxx
> > >
> > > And so, I was delighted to delete W98se's 386spart.par =
(grin)...I
> mean
> > > c:\windows\win386.swp
> > >
> > > So, after reading JE's info. about the "small" swapfile that is =
"best"
> > left
> > > on the xp drive, have I got to immediately rush off and set a =
swapfile
> on
> > > D:\ ?
> > > And how does xp use them behind the scenes? Does it always use =
the
> > "small"
> > > one on D:\ because it's the "first" one i.e. located on the same =
drive
> as
> > > XP itslef, and then charge off to use the "main" big
> > > one.....seamlessly....or what ?
> > >
> > > What sort of "emergency" are we talking about, that could crop up, =
where
> > xp
> > > would need the small swapfile on D:\ ?
> > > And, do I understand that XP could create a gigantic swapfile on =
D:\ if
> it
> > > so wished, where none was there before ?
> > >
> > > regards, Richard
> > >
> > >
> > > "Richard Urban" > wrote in =
message
> > > ...
> > > > Read the post. I told him to ultimately put it back on C:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --=20
> > > > Regards:
> > > >
> > > > Richard Urban
> > > >
> > > > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > > >
> > > > "Gerry Cornell" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > Richard
> > > >
> > > > By all means put the pagefile in it's own partition but you need =
to
> keep
> > a
> > > > small pagefile in the partition containing the operating system.
> > > >
> > > > If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small =
amount on
> > C: -
> > > an
> > > > initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can =
be
> used
> > > in
> > > > emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the =
settings
> > and
> > > > either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very =
large
> one
> > > > indeed on C:
> > > >
> > > > Extract from:
> > > > http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
> > > >
> > > > --=20
> > > > ~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps.
> > > >
> > > > Gerry
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > FCA
> > > >
> > > > Stourport, Worcs, England
> > > > Enquire, plan and execute.
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > Please tell the newsgroup how any
> > > > suggested solution worked for you.
> > > > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Richard Urban" > wrote in =
message
> > > > ...
> > > > > " I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i =
have 126
> > file
> > > > > fragments that cannot be defragged."
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you mean to imply that you have other hard drive =
partitions? If
> so,
> > > > > create a pagefile on another drive/partition. Then set drive =
C: for
> > > none.
> > > > > Press "set". You will have to reboot.
> > > > >
> > > > > When the system comes back up run a defrag on drive C:. This =
will
> > > > > consolidate the free space (more so with some defrag utilities =
than
> > with
> > > > > others). After the defrag, you can recreate the pagefile on =
drive
> C:.
> > > > > Assuming that you have a sufficient chunk of contiguous free =
space,
> > the
> > > > new
> > > > > pagefile will be in one segment. You can now eliminate the =
pagefile
> on
> > > the
> > > > > 2nd drive and use the one on drive C:
> > > > >
> > > > > --=20
> > > > > Regards:
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard Urban
> > > > >
> > > > > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > <snip> I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that =
i have
> > 126
> > > > > file
> > > > > fragments that cannot be defragged. <snip>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>=20
>

[Shane]

No problem.

Shane

"Timax" > wrote in message
...
> Thx Shane
> "Shane" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Not so's you'd notice unless you have the absolute minimum (ie below
> > recommended) hardware requirement for running XP therefore every little
> loss
> > is an issue, and in which case more RAM would be a better all-round
> > solution.
> >
> > Anyway, I didn't say the recommended minimum but the minimum allowed -
> which
> > is why reboot and then reset the figure - which should go some way to
> > 'defragmenting' the file by rebuilding it more contiguously than it was.
> It
> > would be more likely to do this if you defragged again before resetting
> back
> > to the normal (recommended minimum) level.
> >
> > If using FAT32 you can boot with a DOS boot disk and delete pagefile.sys
> and
> > it should be totally rebuilt on reboot, though I prefer
> >
> > ECHO.>C:\PAGEFILE.SYS
> >
> > I don't know if you can do either from the Recovery Console if using
NTFS
> > (and can't test it as I'm re-installing XP right now).
> >
> > Shane
> >
> >
> >
> > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Does it not matter about the fragments then Shane, will they not slow
me
> > up.
> > > The recommended minimum swapfile is 1.5 x memory so I have it set at
> > minimum
> > > already.
> > > "Shane" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > That's the swap file (virtual memory) and is 'always in use'.
> Diskeeper
> > > will
> > > > defrag the pagefile - I believe - and in 9x Norton Speed Disk would,
> but
> > > not
> > > > sure if the NT versions can. You could reset it's size to the
minimum
> > > > allowed, reboot, then set it back to the recommended size, though
> > there's
> > > so
> > > > little to be gained I'd say not to worry about it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Shane
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126
> file
> > > > > fragments that cannot be defragged. They are located in
pagefile.sys
> > but
> > > I
> > > > > am tolded that this file is 'locked' how do I unlock it? Is it a
> case
> > of
> > > > > unlocking it and running defrag again or is there something else
> that
> > I
> > > > need
> > > > > to do?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[RJK]

I've been lurking and reading :-) and I just charged off and had another
read of
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm

JEs' ....
"If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on C: -
an initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be used
in emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the settings
and either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large one
indeed on C:" ....raises a question or two for me.

My XP pro lives on D:\ and W98se on C:\
T'other week I, charged off and changed my xp swapfile setting so that it is
"system managed" size and living on previously empty G:\ ,on my 2nd 80gb hd
(1.93gb), and is currently 2-767mb. And that's the only one I've got in the
machine for xp...and after rebooting I was delighted to delete pagefile.sys
on D:\ Just after that, as soon as I spotted somewhere, that one could
point W98 at the same swapfile, I rushed off to W98's system.ini and slapped
into system.ini as below...(hoping that a semicolon indicates to the system
that it's just a note like one used to do in batch files)... in case I
wanted to do some manual tweaking, and make it all collapse one day, just
for fun !

[386Enh]
PagingFile=G:\PAGEFILE.SYS
PagingDrive=G:
;MinPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
;MaxPagingFileSize=xxxxxx

And so, I was delighted to delete W98se's 386spart.par (grin)...I mean
c:\windows\win386.swp

So, after reading JE's info. about the "small" swapfile that is "best" left
on the xp drive, have I got to immediately rush off and set a swapfile on
D:\ ?
And how does xp use them behind the scenes? Does it always use the "small"
one on D:\ because it's the "first" one i.e. located on the same drive as
XP itslef, and then charge off to use the "main" big
one.....seamlessly....or what ?

What sort of "emergency" are we talking about, that could crop up, where xp
would need the small swapfile on D:\ ?
And, do I understand that XP could create a gigantic swapfile on D:\ if it
so wished, where none was there before ?

regards, Richard


"Richard Urban" > wrote in message
...
> Read the post. I told him to ultimately put it back on C:
>
>
> --
> Regards:
>
> Richard Urban
>
> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>
> "Gerry Cornell" > wrote in message
> ...
> Richard
>
> By all means put the pagefile in it's own partition but you need to keep a
> small pagefile in the partition containing the operating system.
>
> If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on C: -
an
> initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be used
in
> emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the settings and
> either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large one
> indeed on C:
>
> Extract from:
> http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
>
> --
> ~~~~~~
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Gerry
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> FCA
>
> Stourport, Worcs, England
> Enquire, plan and execute.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Please tell the newsgroup how any
> suggested solution worked for you.
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> "Richard Urban" > wrote in message
> ...
> > " I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126 file
> > fragments that cannot be defragged."
> >
> > Do you mean to imply that you have other hard drive partitions? If so,
> > create a pagefile on another drive/partition. Then set drive C: for
none.
> > Press "set". You will have to reboot.
> >
> > When the system comes back up run a defrag on drive C:. This will
> > consolidate the free space (more so with some defrag utilities than with
> > others). After the defrag, you can recreate the pagefile on drive C:.
> > Assuming that you have a sufficient chunk of contiguous free space, the
> new
> > pagefile will be in one segment. You can now eliminate the pagefile on
the
> > 2nd drive and use the one on drive C:
> >
> > --
> > Regards:
> >
> > Richard Urban
> >
> > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> >
> > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > <snip> I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126
> > file
> > fragments that cannot be defragged. <snip>
> >
> >
>
>

[Gerry Cornell]

Alex

Can Win XP and Windows 98 share pagefile.sys as suggested elsewhere in =
this thread? I assume it would be possible if pagefile.sys was on an =
NTFS formatted partition?

--=20

~~~~~~

Regards.

Gerry

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FCA

Stourport, Worcs, England
Enquire, plan and execute.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


"Alex Nichol" > wrote in message =
...
> Timax wrote:
>=20
> >I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126 =
file
> >fragments that cannot be defragged. They are located in pagefile.sys =
but I
> >am tolded that this file is 'locked' how do I unlock it?
>=20
> It is not that important a point, but 126 is high. Do the following:
>=20
> In Control Panel - System - Advanced - Performance and click Settings =
-
> Advanced - Virtual Memory click Change=20
>=20
> Highlight the drive and select 'no page file' click Set to the right, =
OK
> out and reboot. As the BIOS info goes to black, hit F8, and in the =
Menu
> take Safe Mode. Use that to run the defragmenter, then go back to the
> place above, and put the page file settings back to what they were;
> click Set and reboot. The standard defragmenter does not consolidate
> free space, so if that is broken into small pieces you may still get a
> bit of fragmentation of a new large file, but not enough to matter
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
> Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)

[Gerry Cornell]

Make partition G a smaller partition and create a new partition or =
partitions to take the remainder of the original G:\. This will have the =
affect of keeping the swap file together therefore reducing =
fragmentation of files in the other partition! You can do the same with =
other files which constantly change e.g. temporary internet files and =
Outlook Express dbx files. If you keep these separate from the operating =
system and programme files you should see performance gains. However, =
you need a Partitioning tool to be able to change partition sizes from =
time to time as fixed size partitions do not work in practice.


--=20
~~~~~~


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FCA

Stourport, Worcs, England
Enquire, plan and execute.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Please tell the newsgroup how any=20
suggested solution worked for you.
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


=20


"RJK" > wrote in message =
...
> Thanx for that, my system is fine - so there's no benefit or =
requirement to
> having that small swapfile on D:\ where XP.
> But, there are conditions where one is required on some machines then, =
I
> guess. And seeing as I haven't got any problems, I'll leave it as it =
is:-
> a single system managed pagefile.sys, currently 2 - 767mb, (forgot to
> mention in my last post 2x256mb pc2100 in my machine), located in 2gb =
drive
> G:\ on slave 80gb hd.
>=20
> I do like keeping an eye out for tweaks that "improve" ones system. =
e.g.
> having a common OE message store on a drive other than my 2 Windows =
drives.
> And having tmp and temp variables pointing at a drive other than the =
Windows
> drives. i.e. I like the idea of reducing fragmentation on the Windows
> drives.
>=20
> regards, Richard
>=20
>=20
> "Mike Brearley" > wrote in =
message
> ...
> > If your system is running fine (which it should with no page file =
located
> on
> > the system drive) then just leave it. The emergency situation (blue
> screen
> > of death and a memory dump) would require a page file with a minimum =
of
> the
> > amount of ram your computer has. And who really looks through those
> memory
> > dumps anyway? I know I don't. I've never ran into a situation =
where I've
> > needed to even send it off to a microsoft support tech.
> >
> > --=20
> > Posted 'as is'. If there are any spelling and/or grammar mistakes, =
they
> > were a direct result of my fingers and brain not being synchronized =
or my
> > lack of caffeine.
> >
> > Mike Brearley (mike_brearley at hotmail dot com)
> >
> >
> > "RJK" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I've been lurking and reading :-) and I just charged off and had
> another
> > > read of
> > > http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
> > >
> > > JEs' ....
> > > "If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount =
on
> C: -
> > > an initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it =
can be
> > used
> > > in emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the
> settings
> > > and either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very =
large
> > one
> > > indeed on C:" ....raises a question or two for me.
> > >
> > > My XP pro lives on D:\ and W98se on C:\
> > > T'other week I, charged off and changed my xp swapfile setting so =
that
> it
> > is
> > > "system managed" size and living on previously empty G:\ ,on my =
2nd
> 80gb
> > hd
> > > (1.93gb), and is currently 2-767mb. And that's the only one I've =
got in
> > the
> > > machine for xp...and after rebooting I was delighted to delete
> > pagefile.sys
> > > on D:\ Just after that, as soon as I spotted somewhere, that =
one
> could
> > > point W98 at the same swapfile, I rushed off to W98's system.ini =
and
> > slapped
> > > into system.ini as below...(hoping that a semicolon indicates to =
the
> > system
> > > that it's just a note like one used to do in batch files)... in =
case I
> > > wanted to do some manual tweaking, and make it all collapse one =
day,
> just
> > > for fun !
> > >
> > > [386Enh]
> > > PagingFile=3DG:\PAGEFILE.SYS
> > > PagingDrive=3DG:
> > > ;MinPagingFileSize=3Dxxxxxx
> > > ;MaxPagingFileSize=3Dxxxxxx
> > >
> > > And so, I was delighted to delete W98se's 386spart.par =
(grin)...I
> mean
> > > c:\windows\win386.swp
> > >
> > > So, after reading JE's info. about the "small" swapfile that is =
"best"
> > left
> > > on the xp drive, have I got to immediately rush off and set a =
swapfile
> on
> > > D:\ ?
> > > And how does xp use them behind the scenes? Does it always use =
the
> > "small"
> > > one on D:\ because it's the "first" one i.e. located on the same =
drive
> as
> > > XP itslef, and then charge off to use the "main" big
> > > one.....seamlessly....or what ?
> > >
> > > What sort of "emergency" are we talking about, that could crop up, =
where
> > xp
> > > would need the small swapfile on D:\ ?
> > > And, do I understand that XP could create a gigantic swapfile on =
D:\ if
> it
> > > so wished, where none was there before ?
> > >
> > > regards, Richard
> > >
> > >
> > > "Richard Urban" > wrote in =
message
> > > ...
> > > > Read the post. I told him to ultimately put it back on C:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --=20
> > > > Regards:
> > > >
> > > > Richard Urban
> > > >
> > > > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > > >
> > > > "Gerry Cornell" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > Richard
> > > >
> > > > By all means put the pagefile in it's own partition but you need =
to
> keep
> > a
> > > > small pagefile in the partition containing the operating system.
> > > >
> > > > If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small =
amount on
> > C: -
> > > an
> > > > initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can =
be
> used
> > > in
> > > > emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the =
settings
> > and
> > > > either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very =
large
> one
> > > > indeed on C:
> > > >
> > > > Extract from:
> > > > http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
> > > >
> > > > --=20
> > > > ~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps.
> > > >
> > > > Gerry
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > FCA
> > > >
> > > > Stourport, Worcs, England
> > > > Enquire, plan and execute.
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > Please tell the newsgroup how any
> > > > suggested solution worked for you.
> > > > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Richard Urban" > wrote in =
message
> > > > ...
> > > > > " I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i =
have 126
> > file
> > > > > fragments that cannot be defragged."
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you mean to imply that you have other hard drive =
partitions? If
> so,
> > > > > create a pagefile on another drive/partition. Then set drive =
C: for
> > > none.
> > > > > Press "set". You will have to reboot.
> > > > >
> > > > > When the system comes back up run a defrag on drive C:. This =
will
> > > > > consolidate the free space (more so with some defrag utilities =
than
> > with
> > > > > others). After the defrag, you can recreate the pagefile on =
drive
> C:.
> > > > > Assuming that you have a sufficient chunk of contiguous free =
space,
> > the
> > > > new
> > > > > pagefile will be in one segment. You can now eliminate the =
pagefile
> on
> > > the
> > > > > 2nd drive and use the one on drive C:
> > > > >
> > > > > --=20
> > > > > Regards:
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard Urban
> > > > >
> > > > > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > <snip> I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that =
i have
> > 126
> > > > > file
> > > > > fragments that cannot be defragged. <snip>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>=20
>

[Mike Brearley]

If your system is running fine (which it should with no page file located on
the system drive) then just leave it. The emergency situation (blue screen
of death and a memory dump) would require a page file with a minimum of the
amount of ram your computer has. And who really looks through those memory
dumps anyway? I know I don't. I've never ran into a situation where I've
needed to even send it off to a microsoft support tech.

--
Posted 'as is'. If there are any spelling and/or grammar mistakes, they
were a direct result of my fingers and brain not being synchronized or my
lack of caffeine.

Mike Brearley (mike_brearley at hotmail dot com)


"RJK" > wrote in message
...
> I've been lurking and reading :-) and I just charged off and had another
> read of
> http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
>
> JEs' ....
> "If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on C: -
> an initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be
used
> in emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the settings
> and either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large
one
> indeed on C:" ....raises a question or two for me.
>
> My XP pro lives on D:\ and W98se on C:\
> T'other week I, charged off and changed my xp swapfile setting so that it
is
> "system managed" size and living on previously empty G:\ ,on my 2nd 80gb
hd
> (1.93gb), and is currently 2-767mb. And that's the only one I've got in
the
> machine for xp...and after rebooting I was delighted to delete
pagefile.sys
> on D:\ Just after that, as soon as I spotted somewhere, that one could
> point W98 at the same swapfile, I rushed off to W98's system.ini and
slapped
> into system.ini as below...(hoping that a semicolon indicates to the
system
> that it's just a note like one used to do in batch files)... in case I
> wanted to do some manual tweaking, and make it all collapse one day, just
> for fun !
>
> [386Enh]
> PagingFile=G:\PAGEFILE.SYS
> PagingDrive=G:
> ;MinPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
> ;MaxPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
>
> And so, I was delighted to delete W98se's 386spart.par (grin)...I mean
> c:\windows\win386.swp
>
> So, after reading JE's info. about the "small" swapfile that is "best"
left
> on the xp drive, have I got to immediately rush off and set a swapfile on
> D:\ ?
> And how does xp use them behind the scenes? Does it always use the
"small"
> one on D:\ because it's the "first" one i.e. located on the same drive as
> XP itslef, and then charge off to use the "main" big
> one.....seamlessly....or what ?
>
> What sort of "emergency" are we talking about, that could crop up, where
xp
> would need the small swapfile on D:\ ?
> And, do I understand that XP could create a gigantic swapfile on D:\ if it
> so wished, where none was there before ?
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "Richard Urban" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Read the post. I told him to ultimately put it back on C:
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards:
> >
> > Richard Urban
> >
> > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> >
> > "Gerry Cornell" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > Richard
> >
> > By all means put the pagefile in it's own partition but you need to keep
a
> > small pagefile in the partition containing the operating system.
> >
> > If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on
C: -
> an
> > initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be used
> in
> > emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the settings
and
> > either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large one
> > indeed on C:
> >
> > Extract from:
> > http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
> >
> > --
> > ~~~~~~
> >
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Gerry
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > FCA
> >
> > Stourport, Worcs, England
> > Enquire, plan and execute.
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Please tell the newsgroup how any
> > suggested solution worked for you.
> > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> > "Richard Urban" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > " I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126
file
> > > fragments that cannot be defragged."
> > >
> > > Do you mean to imply that you have other hard drive partitions? If so,
> > > create a pagefile on another drive/partition. Then set drive C: for
> none.
> > > Press "set". You will have to reboot.
> > >
> > > When the system comes back up run a defrag on drive C:. This will
> > > consolidate the free space (more so with some defrag utilities than
with
> > > others). After the defrag, you can recreate the pagefile on drive C:.
> > > Assuming that you have a sufficient chunk of contiguous free space,
the
> > new
> > > pagefile will be in one segment. You can now eliminate the pagefile on
> the
> > > 2nd drive and use the one on drive C:
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards:
> > >
> > > Richard Urban
> > >
> > > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > >
> > > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > <snip> I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have
126
> > > file
> > > fragments that cannot be defragged. <snip>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[RJK]

Thanx for that, my system is fine - so there's no benefit or requirement to
having that small swapfile on D:\ where XP.
But, there are conditions where one is required on some machines then, I
guess. And seeing as I haven't got any problems, I'll leave it as it is:-
a single system managed pagefile.sys, currently 2 - 767mb, (forgot to
mention in my last post 2x256mb pc2100 in my machine), located in 2gb drive
G:\ on slave 80gb hd.

I do like keeping an eye out for tweaks that "improve" ones system. e.g.
having a common OE message store on a drive other than my 2 Windows drives.
And having tmp and temp variables pointing at a drive other than the Windows
drives. i.e. I like the idea of reducing fragmentation on the Windows
drives.

regards, Richard


"Mike Brearley" > wrote in message
...
> If your system is running fine (which it should with no page file located
on
> the system drive) then just leave it. The emergency situation (blue
screen
> of death and a memory dump) would require a page file with a minimum of
the
> amount of ram your computer has. And who really looks through those
memory
> dumps anyway? I know I don't. I've never ran into a situation where I've
> needed to even send it off to a microsoft support tech.
>
> --
> Posted 'as is'. If there are any spelling and/or grammar mistakes, they
> were a direct result of my fingers and brain not being synchronized or my
> lack of caffeine.
>
> Mike Brearley (mike_brearley at hotmail dot com)
>
>
> "RJK" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I've been lurking and reading :-) and I just charged off and had
another
> > read of
> > http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
> >
> > JEs' ....
> > "If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on
C: -
> > an initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be
> used
> > in emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the
settings
> > and either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large
> one
> > indeed on C:" ....raises a question or two for me.
> >
> > My XP pro lives on D:\ and W98se on C:\
> > T'other week I, charged off and changed my xp swapfile setting so that
it
> is
> > "system managed" size and living on previously empty G:\ ,on my 2nd
80gb
> hd
> > (1.93gb), and is currently 2-767mb. And that's the only one I've got in
> the
> > machine for xp...and after rebooting I was delighted to delete
> pagefile.sys
> > on D:\ Just after that, as soon as I spotted somewhere, that one
could
> > point W98 at the same swapfile, I rushed off to W98's system.ini and
> slapped
> > into system.ini as below...(hoping that a semicolon indicates to the
> system
> > that it's just a note like one used to do in batch files)... in case I
> > wanted to do some manual tweaking, and make it all collapse one day,
just
> > for fun !
> >
> > [386Enh]
> > PagingFile=G:\PAGEFILE.SYS
> > PagingDrive=G:
> > ;MinPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
> > ;MaxPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
> >
> > And so, I was delighted to delete W98se's 386spart.par (grin)...I
mean
> > c:\windows\win386.swp
> >
> > So, after reading JE's info. about the "small" swapfile that is "best"
> left
> > on the xp drive, have I got to immediately rush off and set a swapfile
on
> > D:\ ?
> > And how does xp use them behind the scenes? Does it always use the
> "small"
> > one on D:\ because it's the "first" one i.e. located on the same drive
as
> > XP itslef, and then charge off to use the "main" big
> > one.....seamlessly....or what ?
> >
> > What sort of "emergency" are we talking about, that could crop up, where
> xp
> > would need the small swapfile on D:\ ?
> > And, do I understand that XP could create a gigantic swapfile on D:\ if
it
> > so wished, where none was there before ?
> >
> > regards, Richard
> >
> >
> > "Richard Urban" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Read the post. I told him to ultimately put it back on C:
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards:
> > >
> > > Richard Urban
> > >
> > > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > >
> > > "Gerry Cornell" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > Richard
> > >
> > > By all means put the pagefile in it's own partition but you need to
keep
> a
> > > small pagefile in the partition containing the operating system.
> > >
> > > If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on
> C: -
> > an
> > > initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be
used
> > in
> > > emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the settings
> and
> > > either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large
one
> > > indeed on C:
> > >
> > > Extract from:
> > > http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
> > >
> > > --
> > > ~~~~~~
> > >
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > Gerry
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > FCA
> > >
> > > Stourport, Worcs, England
> > > Enquire, plan and execute.
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > Please tell the newsgroup how any
> > > suggested solution worked for you.
> > > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > >
> > > "Richard Urban" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > " I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126
> file
> > > > fragments that cannot be defragged."
> > > >
> > > > Do you mean to imply that you have other hard drive partitions? If
so,
> > > > create a pagefile on another drive/partition. Then set drive C: for
> > none.
> > > > Press "set". You will have to reboot.
> > > >
> > > > When the system comes back up run a defrag on drive C:. This will
> > > > consolidate the free space (more so with some defrag utilities than
> with
> > > > others). After the defrag, you can recreate the pagefile on drive
C:.
> > > > Assuming that you have a sufficient chunk of contiguous free space,
> the
> > > new
> > > > pagefile will be in one segment. You can now eliminate the pagefile
on
> > the
> > > > 2nd drive and use the one on drive C:
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Regards:
> > > >
> > > > Richard Urban
> > > >
> > > > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > > >
> > > > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > <snip> I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have
> 126
> > > > file
> > > > fragments that cannot be defragged. <snip>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[RJK]

"lives" should be at the end of that last sentence !

regards, Richard


"RJK" > wrote in message
...
> Thanx for that, my system is fine - so there's no benefit or requirement
to
> having that small swapfile on D:\ where XP.
> But, there are conditions where one is required on some machines then, I
> guess. And seeing as I haven't got any problems, I'll leave it as it is:-
> a single system managed pagefile.sys, currently 2 - 767mb, (forgot to
> mention in my last post 2x256mb pc2100 in my machine), located in 2gb
drive
> G:\ on slave 80gb hd.
>
> I do like keeping an eye out for tweaks that "improve" ones system. e.g.
> having a common OE message store on a drive other than my 2 Windows
drives.
> And having tmp and temp variables pointing at a drive other than the
Windows
> drives. i.e. I like the idea of reducing fragmentation on the Windows
> drives.
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "Mike Brearley" > wrote in message
> ...
> > If your system is running fine (which it should with no page file
located
> on
> > the system drive) then just leave it. The emergency situation (blue
> screen
> > of death and a memory dump) would require a page file with a minimum of
> the
> > amount of ram your computer has. And who really looks through those
> memory
> > dumps anyway? I know I don't. I've never ran into a situation where
I've
> > needed to even send it off to a microsoft support tech.
> >
> > --
> > Posted 'as is'. If there are any spelling and/or grammar mistakes, they
> > were a direct result of my fingers and brain not being synchronized or
my
> > lack of caffeine.
> >
> > Mike Brearley (mike_brearley at hotmail dot com)
> >
> >
> > "RJK" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I've been lurking and reading :-) and I just charged off and had
> another
> > > read of
> > > http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
> > >
> > > JEs' ....
> > > "If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on
> C: -
> > > an initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be
> > used
> > > in emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the
> settings
> > > and either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very
large
> > one
> > > indeed on C:" ....raises a question or two for me.
> > >
> > > My XP pro lives on D:\ and W98se on C:\
> > > T'other week I, charged off and changed my xp swapfile setting so that
> it
> > is
> > > "system managed" size and living on previously empty G:\ ,on my 2nd
> 80gb
> > hd
> > > (1.93gb), and is currently 2-767mb. And that's the only one I've got
in
> > the
> > > machine for xp...and after rebooting I was delighted to delete
> > pagefile.sys
> > > on D:\ Just after that, as soon as I spotted somewhere, that one
> could
> > > point W98 at the same swapfile, I rushed off to W98's system.ini and
> > slapped
> > > into system.ini as below...(hoping that a semicolon indicates to the
> > system
> > > that it's just a note like one used to do in batch files)... in case I
> > > wanted to do some manual tweaking, and make it all collapse one day,
> just
> > > for fun !
> > >
> > > [386Enh]
> > > PagingFile=G:\PAGEFILE.SYS
> > > PagingDrive=G:
> > > ;MinPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
> > > ;MaxPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
> > >
> > > And so, I was delighted to delete W98se's 386spart.par (grin)...I
> mean
> > > c:\windows\win386.swp
> > >
> > > So, after reading JE's info. about the "small" swapfile that is "best"
> > left
> > > on the xp drive, have I got to immediately rush off and set a swapfile
> on
> > > D:\ ?
> > > And how does xp use them behind the scenes? Does it always use the
> > "small"
> > > one on D:\ because it's the "first" one i.e. located on the same
drive
> as
> > > XP itslef, and then charge off to use the "main" big
> > > one.....seamlessly....or what ?
> > >
> > > What sort of "emergency" are we talking about, that could crop up,
where
> > xp
> > > would need the small swapfile on D:\ ?
> > > And, do I understand that XP could create a gigantic swapfile on D:\
if
> it
> > > so wished, where none was there before ?
> > >
> > > regards, Richard
> > >
> > >
> > > "Richard Urban" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Read the post. I told him to ultimately put it back on C:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Regards:
> > > >
> > > > Richard Urban
> > > >
> > > > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > > >
> > > > "Gerry Cornell" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > Richard
> > > >
> > > > By all means put the pagefile in it's own partition but you need to
> keep
> > a
> > > > small pagefile in the partition containing the operating system.
> > > >
> > > > If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on
> > C: -
> > > an
> > > > initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be
> used
> > > in
> > > > emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the
settings
> > and
> > > > either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large
> one
> > > > indeed on C:
> > > >
> > > > Extract from:
> > > > http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > ~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps.
> > > >
> > > > Gerry
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > FCA
> > > >
> > > > Stourport, Worcs, England
> > > > Enquire, plan and execute.
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > Please tell the newsgroup how any
> > > > suggested solution worked for you.
> > > > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Richard Urban" > wrote in
message
> > > > ...
> > > > > " I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have
126
> > file
> > > > > fragments that cannot be defragged."
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you mean to imply that you have other hard drive partitions? If
> so,
> > > > > create a pagefile on another drive/partition. Then set drive C:
for
> > > none.
> > > > > Press "set". You will have to reboot.
> > > > >
> > > > > When the system comes back up run a defrag on drive C:. This will
> > > > > consolidate the free space (more so with some defrag utilities
than
> > with
> > > > > others). After the defrag, you can recreate the pagefile on drive
> C:.
> > > > > Assuming that you have a sufficient chunk of contiguous free
space,
> > the
> > > > new
> > > > > pagefile will be in one segment. You can now eliminate the
pagefile
> on
> > > the
> > > > > 2nd drive and use the one on drive C:
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Regards:
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard Urban
> > > > >
> > > > > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > <snip> I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i
have
> > 126
> > > > > file
> > > > > fragments that cannot be defragged. <snip>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Alex Nichol]

Timax wrote:

>I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126 file
>fragments that cannot be defragged. They are located in pagefile.sys but I
>am tolded that this file is 'locked' how do I unlock it?

It is not that important a point, but 126 is high. Do the following:

In Control Panel - System - Advanced - Performance and click Settings -
Advanced - Virtual Memory click Change

Highlight the drive and select 'no page file' click Set to the right, OK
out and reboot. As the BIOS info goes to black, hit F8, and in the Menu
take Safe Mode. Use that to run the defragmenter, then go back to the
place above, and put the page file settings back to what they were;
click Set and reboot. The standard defragmenter does not consolidate
free space, so if that is broken into small pieces you may still get a
bit of fragmentation of a new large file, but not enough to matter


--
Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)

[Gerry Cornell]

Alex

Can Win XP and Windows 98 share pagefile.sys as suggested elsewhere in =
this thread? I assume it would be possible if pagefile.sys was on an =
NTFS formatted partition?

--=20

~~~~~~

Regards.

Gerry

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FCA

Stourport, Worcs, England
Enquire, plan and execute.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


"Alex Nichol" > wrote in message =
...
> Timax wrote:
>=20
> >I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126 =
file
> >fragments that cannot be defragged. They are located in pagefile.sys =
but I
> >am tolded that this file is 'locked' how do I unlock it?
>=20
> It is not that important a point, but 126 is high. Do the following:
>=20
> In Control Panel - System - Advanced - Performance and click Settings =
-
> Advanced - Virtual Memory click Change=20
>=20
> Highlight the drive and select 'no page file' click Set to the right, =
OK
> out and reboot. As the BIOS info goes to black, hit F8, and in the =
Menu
> take Safe Mode. Use that to run the defragmenter, then go back to the
> place above, and put the page file settings back to what they were;
> click Set and reboot. The standard defragmenter does not consolidate
> free space, so if that is broken into small pieces you may still get a
> bit of fragmentation of a new large file, but not enough to matter
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
> Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)

[Gerry Cornell]

Make partition G a smaller partition and create a new partition or =
partitions to take the remainder of the original G:\. This will have the =
affect of keeping the swap file together therefore reducing =
fragmentation of files in the other partition! You can do the same with =
other files which constantly change e.g. temporary internet files and =
Outlook Express dbx files. If you keep these separate from the operating =
system and programme files you should see performance gains. However, =
you need a Partitioning tool to be able to change partition sizes from =
time to time as fixed size partitions do not work in practice.


--=20
~~~~~~


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FCA

Stourport, Worcs, England
Enquire, plan and execute.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Please tell the newsgroup how any=20
suggested solution worked for you.
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


=20


"RJK" > wrote in message =
...
> Thanx for that, my system is fine - so there's no benefit or =
requirement to
> having that small swapfile on D:\ where XP.
> But, there are conditions where one is required on some machines then, =
I
> guess. And seeing as I haven't got any problems, I'll leave it as it =
is:-
> a single system managed pagefile.sys, currently 2 - 767mb, (forgot to
> mention in my last post 2x256mb pc2100 in my machine), located in 2gb =
drive
> G:\ on slave 80gb hd.
>=20
> I do like keeping an eye out for tweaks that "improve" ones system. =
e.g.
> having a common OE message store on a drive other than my 2 Windows =
drives.
> And having tmp and temp variables pointing at a drive other than the =
Windows
> drives. i.e. I like the idea of reducing fragmentation on the Windows
> drives.
>=20
> regards, Richard
>=20
>=20
> "Mike Brearley" > wrote in =
message
> ...
> > If your system is running fine (which it should with no page file =
located
> on
> > the system drive) then just leave it. The emergency situation (blue
> screen
> > of death and a memory dump) would require a page file with a minimum =
of
> the
> > amount of ram your computer has. And who really looks through those
> memory
> > dumps anyway? I know I don't. I've never ran into a situation =
where I've
> > needed to even send it off to a microsoft support tech.
> >
> > --=20
> > Posted 'as is'. If there are any spelling and/or grammar mistakes, =
they
> > were a direct result of my fingers and brain not being synchronized =
or my
> > lack of caffeine.
> >
> > Mike Brearley (mike_brearley at hotmail dot com)
> >
> >
> > "RJK" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I've been lurking and reading :-) and I just charged off and had
> another
> > > read of
> > > http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
> > >
> > > JEs' ....
> > > "If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount =
on
> C: -
> > > an initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it =
can be
> > used
> > > in emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the
> settings
> > > and either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very =
large
> > one
> > > indeed on C:" ....raises a question or two for me.
> > >
> > > My XP pro lives on D:\ and W98se on C:\
> > > T'other week I, charged off and changed my xp swapfile setting so =
that
> it
> > is
> > > "system managed" size and living on previously empty G:\ ,on my =
2nd
> 80gb
> > hd
> > > (1.93gb), and is currently 2-767mb. And that's the only one I've =
got in
> > the
> > > machine for xp...and after rebooting I was delighted to delete
> > pagefile.sys
> > > on D:\ Just after that, as soon as I spotted somewhere, that =
one
> could
> > > point W98 at the same swapfile, I rushed off to W98's system.ini =
and
> > slapped
> > > into system.ini as below...(hoping that a semicolon indicates to =
the
> > system
> > > that it's just a note like one used to do in batch files)... in =
case I
> > > wanted to do some manual tweaking, and make it all collapse one =
day,
> just
> > > for fun !
> > >
> > > [386Enh]
> > > PagingFile=3DG:\PAGEFILE.SYS
> > > PagingDrive=3DG:
> > > ;MinPagingFileSize=3Dxxxxxx
> > > ;MaxPagingFileSize=3Dxxxxxx
> > >
> > > And so, I was delighted to delete W98se's 386spart.par =
(grin)...I
> mean
> > > c:\windows\win386.swp
> > >
> > > So, after reading JE's info. about the "small" swapfile that is =
"best"
> > left
> > > on the xp drive, have I got to immediately rush off and set a =
swapfile
> on
> > > D:\ ?
> > > And how does xp use them behind the scenes? Does it always use =
the
> > "small"
> > > one on D:\ because it's the "first" one i.e. located on the same =
drive
> as
> > > XP itslef, and then charge off to use the "main" big
> > > one.....seamlessly....or what ?
> > >
> > > What sort of "emergency" are we talking about, that could crop up, =
where
> > xp
> > > would need the small swapfile on D:\ ?
> > > And, do I understand that XP could create a gigantic swapfile on =
D:\ if
> it
> > > so wished, where none was there before ?
> > >
> > > regards, Richard
> > >
> > >
> > > "Richard Urban" > wrote in =
message
> > > ...
> > > > Read the post. I told him to ultimately put it back on C:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --=20
> > > > Regards:
> > > >
> > > > Richard Urban
> > > >
> > > > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > > >
> > > > "Gerry Cornell" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > Richard
> > > >
> > > > By all means put the pagefile in it's own partition but you need =
to
> keep
> > a
> > > > small pagefile in the partition containing the operating system.
> > > >
> > > > If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small =
amount on
> > C: -
> > > an
> > > > initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can =
be
> used
> > > in
> > > > emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the =
settings
> > and
> > > > either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very =
large
> one
> > > > indeed on C:
> > > >
> > > > Extract from:
> > > > http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
> > > >
> > > > --=20
> > > > ~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps.
> > > >
> > > > Gerry
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > FCA
> > > >
> > > > Stourport, Worcs, England
> > > > Enquire, plan and execute.
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > Please tell the newsgroup how any
> > > > suggested solution worked for you.
> > > > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Richard Urban" > wrote in =
message
> > > > ...
> > > > > " I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i =
have 126
> > file
> > > > > fragments that cannot be defragged."
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you mean to imply that you have other hard drive =
partitions? If
> so,
> > > > > create a pagefile on another drive/partition. Then set drive =
C: for
> > > none.
> > > > > Press "set". You will have to reboot.
> > > > >
> > > > > When the system comes back up run a defrag on drive C:. This =
will
> > > > > consolidate the free space (more so with some defrag utilities =
than
> > with
> > > > > others). After the defrag, you can recreate the pagefile on =
drive
> C:.
> > > > > Assuming that you have a sufficient chunk of contiguous free =
space,
> > the
> > > > new
> > > > > pagefile will be in one segment. You can now eliminate the =
pagefile
> on
> > > the
> > > > > 2nd drive and use the one on drive C:
> > > > >
> > > > > --=20
> > > > > Regards:
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard Urban
> > > > >
> > > > > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > <snip> I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that =
i have
> > 126
> > > > > file
> > > > > fragments that cannot be defragged. <snip>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>=20
>

[Incognitus]

"RJK" > wrote in message
...
> I've been lurking and reading :-) and I just charged off and had another
> read of
> http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
>
> JEs' ....
> "If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on C: -
> an initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be
used
> in emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the settings
> and either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large
one
> indeed on C:" ....raises a question or two for me.
>
> My XP pro lives on D:\ and W98se on C:\
> T'other week I, charged off and changed my xp swapfile setting so that it
is
> "system managed" size and living on previously empty G:\ ,on my 2nd 80gb
hd
> (1.93gb), and is currently 2-767mb. And that's the only one I've got in
the
> machine for xp...and after rebooting I was delighted to delete
pagefile.sys
> on D:\ Just after that, as soon as I spotted somewhere, that one could
> point W98 at the same swapfile, I rushed off to W98's system.ini and
slapped
> into system.ini as below...(hoping that a semicolon indicates to the
system
> that it's just a note like one used to do in batch files)... in case I
> wanted to do some manual tweaking, and make it all collapse one day, just
> for fun !
>
> [386Enh]
> PagingFile=G:\PAGEFILE.SYS
> PagingDrive=G:
> ;MinPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
> ;MaxPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
>
> And so, I was delighted to delete W98se's 386spart.par (grin)...I mean
> c:\windows\win386.swp
>
> So, after reading JE's info. about the "small" swapfile that is "best"
left
> on the xp drive, have I got to immediately rush off and set a swapfile on
> D:\ ?
> And how does xp use them behind the scenes? Does it always use the
"small"
> one on D:\ because it's the "first" one i.e. located on the same drive as
> XP itslef, and then charge off to use the "main" big
> one.....seamlessly....or what ?
>
> What sort of "emergency" are we talking about, that could crop up, where
xp
> would need the small swapfile on D:\ ?
> And, do I understand that XP could create a gigantic swapfile on D:\ if it
> so wished, where none was there before ?

I basically have the same setup as you. WinME (cough) on C:, WinXP on D:,
pagefile 382-768mb on C: being used by both ME and XP, and I created a small
2-50mb pagefile on D: and have never seen XP create it for use, however, I
understand it is needed for small memory dump.

[RJK]

?? GERRY !!!

I suspect you're flitting through this thread FAR TOO quickly !!!! ...mind
you, reading through my own posts, they're a bit hard to read becasue I was
bashing them out too quickly !!

My G:\ drive is 2 gb's ...and that's where I created my pagefile.sys, which
was 2-767mb's in size.
And I thought I'd previously mentioned that I'd set tmp and temp variables
and "OE common message store" to be stored on a drive that's welcome to all
the fragmentation that entails - on a drive other than the drives where my
W98se and XP Pro live. :-)

....anyway, I've had a "hum-dinger" of a session on my PC tonight, for which
I'm going to have to start a new thread titled "Defrag humdinger!" I
suspect it'll be a long-winded one, 'cause I'll have to giv a lot of
background info. and I've got to explain a "sequence of events," ....which
is always damned long-winded !!! ...and it's hard to do that without
becoming very boring !

regards, Richard





"Gerry Cornell" > wrote in message
...
Make partition G a smaller partition and create a new partition or
partitions to take the remainder of the original G:\. This will have the
affect of keeping the swap file together therefore reducing fragmentation of
files in the other partition! You can do the same with other files which
constantly change e.g. temporary internet files and Outlook Express dbx
files. If you keep these separate from the operating system and programme
files you should see performance gains. However, you need a Partitioning
tool to be able to change partition sizes from time to time as fixed size
partitions do not work in practice.


--
~~~~~~


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FCA

Stourport, Worcs, England
Enquire, plan and execute.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Please tell the newsgroup how any
suggested solution worked for you.
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





"RJK" > wrote in message
...
> Thanx for that, my system is fine - so there's no benefit or requirement
to
> having that small swapfile on D:\ where XP.
> But, there are conditions where one is required on some machines then, I
> guess. And seeing as I haven't got any problems, I'll leave it as it is:-
> a single system managed pagefile.sys, currently 2 - 767mb, (forgot to
> mention in my last post 2x256mb pc2100 in my machine), located in 2gb
drive
> G:\ on slave 80gb hd.
>
> I do like keeping an eye out for tweaks that "improve" ones system. e.g.
> having a common OE message store on a drive other than my 2 Windows
drives.
> And having tmp and temp variables pointing at a drive other than the
Windows
> drives. i.e. I like the idea of reducing fragmentation on the Windows
> drives.
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "Mike Brearley" > wrote in message
> ...
> > If your system is running fine (which it should with no page file
located
> on
> > the system drive) then just leave it. The emergency situation (blue
> screen
> > of death and a memory dump) would require a page file with a minimum of
> the
> > amount of ram your computer has. And who really looks through those
> memory
> > dumps anyway? I know I don't. I've never ran into a situation where
I've
> > needed to even send it off to a microsoft support tech.
> >
> > --
> > Posted 'as is'. If there are any spelling and/or grammar mistakes, they
> > were a direct result of my fingers and brain not being synchronized or
my
> > lack of caffeine.
> >
> > Mike Brearley (mike_brearley at hotmail dot com)
> >
> >
> > "RJK" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I've been lurking and reading :-) and I just charged off and had
> another
> > > read of
> > > http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
> > >
> > > JEs' ....
> > > "If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on
> C: -
> > > an initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be
> > used
> > > in emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the
> settings
> > > and either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very
large
> > one
> > > indeed on C:" ....raises a question or two for me.
> > >
> > > My XP pro lives on D:\ and W98se on C:\
> > > T'other week I, charged off and changed my xp swapfile setting so that
> it
> > is
> > > "system managed" size and living on previously empty G:\ ,on my 2nd
> 80gb
> > hd
> > > (1.93gb), and is currently 2-767mb. And that's the only one I've got
in
> > the
> > > machine for xp...and after rebooting I was delighted to delete
> > pagefile.sys
> > > on D:\ Just after that, as soon as I spotted somewhere, that one
> could
> > > point W98 at the same swapfile, I rushed off to W98's system.ini and
> > slapped
> > > into system.ini as below...(hoping that a semicolon indicates to the
> > system
> > > that it's just a note like one used to do in batch files)... in case I
> > > wanted to do some manual tweaking, and make it all collapse one day,
> just
> > > for fun !
> > >
> > > [386Enh]
> > > PagingFile=G:\PAGEFILE.SYS
> > > PagingDrive=G:
> > > ;MinPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
> > > ;MaxPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
> > >
> > > And so, I was delighted to delete W98se's 386spart.par (grin)...I
> mean
> > > c:\windows\win386.swp
> > >
> > > So, after reading JE's info. about the "small" swapfile that is "best"
> > left
> > > on the xp drive, have I got to immediately rush off and set a swapfile
> on
> > > D:\ ?
> > > And how does xp use them behind the scenes? Does it always use the
> > "small"
> > > one on D:\ because it's the "first" one i.e. located on the same
drive
> as
> > > XP itslef, and then charge off to use the "main" big
> > > one.....seamlessly....or what ?
> > >
> > > What sort of "emergency" are we talking about, that could crop up,
where
> > xp
> > > would need the small swapfile on D:\ ?
> > > And, do I understand that XP could create a gigantic swapfile on D:\
if
> it
> > > so wished, where none was there before ?
> > >
> > > regards, Richard
> > >
> > >
> > > "Richard Urban" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Read the post. I told him to ultimately put it back on C:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Regards:
> > > >
> > > > Richard Urban
> > > >
> > > > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > > >
> > > > "Gerry Cornell" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > Richard
> > > >
> > > > By all means put the pagefile in it's own partition but you need to
> keep
> > a
> > > > small pagefile in the partition containing the operating system.
> > > >
> > > > If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small amount on
> > C: -
> > > an
> > > > initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it can be
> used
> > > in
> > > > emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the
settings
> > and
> > > > either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very large
> one
> > > > indeed on C:
> > > >
> > > > Extract from:
> > > > http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > ~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps.
> > > >
> > > > Gerry
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > FCA
> > > >
> > > > Stourport, Worcs, England
> > > > Enquire, plan and execute.
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > Please tell the newsgroup how any
> > > > suggested solution worked for you.
> > > > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Richard Urban" > wrote in
message
> > > > ...
> > > > > " I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have
126
> > file
> > > > > fragments that cannot be defragged."
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you mean to imply that you have other hard drive partitions? If
> so,
> > > > > create a pagefile on another drive/partition. Then set drive C:
for
> > > none.
> > > > > Press "set". You will have to reboot.
> > > > >
> > > > > When the system comes back up run a defrag on drive C:. This will
> > > > > consolidate the free space (more so with some defrag utilities
than
> > with
> > > > > others). After the defrag, you can recreate the pagefile on drive
> C:.
> > > > > Assuming that you have a sufficient chunk of contiguous free
space,
> > the
> > > > new
> > > > > pagefile will be in one segment. You can now eliminate the
pagefile
> on
> > > the
> > > > > 2nd drive and use the one on drive C:
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Regards:
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard Urban
> > > > >
> > > > > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > <snip> I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i
have
> > 126
> > > > > file
> > > > > fragments that cannot be defragged. <snip>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Gerry Cornell]

RJK

On my system 1 gb space is at a premium. My XP pagefile partition is =
only 708 mb (NTFS format ) and I suspect only 60% used. My 98 swapfile =
partition is 504 mb (FAT32 format) currently using 108 mb! I have noted =
that some in this thread are sharing partitions but I am not sure that =
Windows 98 could use an NTFS formatted partition. With dedicated =
partitions the need to defragment is I suspect unnecessary, unless =
anyone knows better! Obviously both operating systems can use a FAT32 =
formatted partition but NTFS is said to be more efficient.=20

It is possible that I may abandon Windows 98 as the system is more =
stable using Windows XP, not that I seem to get into the problems some =
visitors to these newsgroups encounter!

--=20

~~~~~~

Regards.

Gerry

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FCA

Stourport, Worcs, England
Enquire, plan and execute.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~




"RJK" > wrote in message =
...
> ?? GERRY !!!
>=20
> I suspect you're flitting through this thread FAR TOO quickly !!!! =
....mind
> you, reading through my own posts, they're a bit hard to read becasue =
I was
> bashing them out too quickly !!
>=20
> My G:\ drive is 2 gb's ...and that's where I created my pagefile.sys, =
which
> was 2-767mb's in size.
> And I thought I'd previously mentioned that I'd set tmp and temp =
variables
> and "OE common message store" to be stored on a drive that's welcome =
to all
> the fragmentation that entails - on a drive other than the drives =
where my
> W98se and XP Pro live. :-)
>=20
> ...anyway, I've had a "hum-dinger" of a session on my PC tonight, for =
which
> I'm going to have to start a new thread titled "Defrag humdinger!" I
> suspect it'll be a long-winded one, 'cause I'll have to giv a lot of
> background info. and I've got to explain a "sequence of events," =
.....which
> is always damned long-winded !!! ...and it's hard to do that without
> becoming very boring !
>=20
> regards, Richard
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> "Gerry Cornell" > wrote in message
> ...
> Make partition G a smaller partition and create a new partition or
> partitions to take the remainder of the original G:\. This will have =
the
> affect of keeping the swap file together therefore reducing =
fragmentation of
> files in the other partition! You can do the same with other files =
which
> constantly change e.g. temporary internet files and Outlook Express =
dbx
> files. If you keep these separate from the operating system and =
programme
> files you should see performance gains. However, you need a =
Partitioning
> tool to be able to change partition sizes from time to time as fixed =
size
> partitions do not work in practice.
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> ~~~~~~
>=20
>=20
> Hope this helps.
>=20
> Gerry
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> FCA
>
> Stourport, Worcs, England
> Enquire, plan and execute.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Please tell the newsgroup how any
> suggested solution worked for you.
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> "RJK" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Thanx for that, my system is fine - so there's no benefit or =
requirement
> to
> > having that small swapfile on D:\ where XP.
> > But, there are conditions where one is required on some machines =
then, I
> > guess. And seeing as I haven't got any problems, I'll leave it as =
it is:-
> > a single system managed pagefile.sys, currently 2 - 767mb, (forgot =
to
> > mention in my last post 2x256mb pc2100 in my machine), located in =
2gb
> drive
> > G:\ on slave 80gb hd.
> >
> > I do like keeping an eye out for tweaks that "improve" ones system. =
e.g.
> > having a common OE message store on a drive other than my 2 Windows
> drives.
> > And having tmp and temp variables pointing at a drive other than the
> Windows
> > drives. i.e. I like the idea of reducing fragmentation on the =
Windows
> > drives.
> >
> > regards, Richard
> >
> >
> > "Mike Brearley" > wrote in =
message
> > ...
> > > If your system is running fine (which it should with no page file
> located
> > on
> > > the system drive) then just leave it. The emergency situation =
(blue
> > screen
> > > of death and a memory dump) would require a page file with a =
minimum of
> > the
> > > amount of ram your computer has. And who really looks through =
those
> > memory
> > > dumps anyway? I know I don't. I've never ran into a situation =
where
> I've
> > > needed to even send it off to a microsoft support tech.
> > >
> > > --=20
> > > Posted 'as is'. If there are any spelling and/or grammar =
mistakes, they
> > > were a direct result of my fingers and brain not being =
synchronized or
> my
> > > lack of caffeine.
> > >
> > > Mike Brearley (mike_brearley at hotmail dot com)
> > >
> > >
> > > "RJK" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > I've been lurking and reading :-) and I just charged off and =
had
> > another
> > > > read of
> > > > http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
> > > >
> > > > JEs' ....
> > > > "If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small =
amount on
> > C: -
> > > > an initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it =
can be
> > > used
> > > > in emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the
> > settings
> > > > and either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a =
very
> large
> > > one
> > > > indeed on C:" ....raises a question or two for me.
> > > >
> > > > My XP pro lives on D:\ and W98se on C:\
> > > > T'other week I, charged off and changed my xp swapfile setting =
so that
> > it
> > > is
> > > > "system managed" size and living on previously empty G:\ ,on my =
2nd
> > 80gb
> > > hd
> > > > (1.93gb), and is currently 2-767mb. And that's the only one =
I've got
> in
> > > the
> > > > machine for xp...and after rebooting I was delighted to delete
> > > pagefile.sys
> > > > on D:\ Just after that, as soon as I spotted somewhere, that =
one
> > could
> > > > point W98 at the same swapfile, I rushed off to W98's system.ini =
and
> > > slapped
> > > > into system.ini as below...(hoping that a semicolon indicates to =
the
> > > system
> > > > that it's just a note like one used to do in batch files)... in =
case I
> > > > wanted to do some manual tweaking, and make it all collapse one =
day,
> > just
> > > > for fun !
> > > >
> > > > [386Enh]
> > > > PagingFile=3DG:\PAGEFILE.SYS
> > > > PagingDrive=3DG:
> > > > ;MinPagingFileSize=3Dxxxxxx
> > > > ;MaxPagingFileSize=3Dxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > > And so, I was delighted to delete W98se's 386spart.par =
(grin)...I
> > mean
> > > > c:\windows\win386.swp
> > > >
> > > > So, after reading JE's info. about the "small" swapfile that is =
"best"
> > > left
> > > > on the xp drive, have I got to immediately rush off and set a =
swapfile
> > on
> > > > D:\ ?
> > > > And how does xp use them behind the scenes? Does it always use =
the
> > > "small"
> > > > one on D:\ because it's the "first" one i.e. located on the =
same
> drive
> > as
> > > > XP itslef, and then charge off to use the "main" big
> > > > one.....seamlessly....or what ?
> > > >
> > > > What sort of "emergency" are we talking about, that could crop =
up,
> where
> > > xp
> > > > would need the small swapfile on D:\ ?
> > > > And, do I understand that XP could create a gigantic swapfile on =
D:\
> if
> > it
> > > > so wished, where none was there before ?
> > > >
> > > > regards, Richard
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Richard Urban" > wrote in =
message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Read the post. I told him to ultimately put it back on C:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --=20
> > > > > Regards:
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard Urban
> > > > >
> > > > > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > "Gerry Cornell" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > Richard
> > > > >
> > > > > By all means put the pagefile in it's own partition but you =
need to
> > keep
> > > a
> > > > > small pagefile in the partition containing the operating =
system.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you do put the file elsewhere, you should leave a small =
amount on
> > > C: -
> > > > an
> > > > > initial size of 2MB with a Maximum of 50 is suitable - so it =
can be
> > used
> > > > in
> > > > > emergency. Without this, the system is inclined to ignore the
> settings
> > > and
> > > > > either have no page file at all (and complain) or make a very =
large
> > one
> > > > > indeed on C:
> > > > >
> > > > > Extract from:
> > > > > http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > --=20
> > > > > ~~~~~~
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gerry
> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > FCA
> > > > >
> > > > > Stourport, Worcs, England
> > > > > Enquire, plan and execute.
> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > Please tell the newsgroup how any
> > > > > suggested solution worked for you.
> > > > > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Richard Urban" > wrote in
> message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > " I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i =
have
> 126
> > > file
> > > > > > fragments that cannot be defragged."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you mean to imply that you have other hard drive =
partitions? If
> > so,
> > > > > > create a pagefile on another drive/partition. Then set drive =
C:
> for
> > > > none.
> > > > > > Press "set". You will have to reboot.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When the system comes back up run a defrag on drive C:. This =
will
> > > > > > consolidate the free space (more so with some defrag =
utilities
> than
> > > with
> > > > > > others). After the defrag, you can recreate the pagefile on =
drive
> > C:.
> > > > > > Assuming that you have a sufficient chunk of contiguous free
> space,
> > > the
> > > > > new
> > > > > > pagefile will be in one segment. You can now eliminate the
> pagefile
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > 2nd drive and use the one on drive C:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --=20
> > > > > > Regards:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richard Urban
> > > > > >
> > > > > > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > <snip> I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me =
that i
> have
> > > 126
> > > > > > file
> > > > > > fragments that cannot be defragged. <snip>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>=20
>

[Incognitus]

Gerry, Alex can answer that question much better than I, but the simple
answer is yes, I've had XP and ME sharing the same pagefile since the day
that XP was installed on October, 27 2001.

"Gerry Cornell" > wrote in message
...
Alex

Can Win XP and Windows 98 share pagefile.sys as suggested elsewhere in this
thread? I assume it would be possible if pagefile.sys was on an NTFS
formatted partition?

--

~~~~~~

Regards.

Gerry

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FCA

Stourport, Worcs, England
Enquire, plan and execute.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


"Alex Nichol" > wrote in message
...
> Timax wrote:
>
> >I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126 file
> >fragments that cannot be defragged. They are located in pagefile.sys but
I
> >am tolded that this file is 'locked' how do I unlock it?
>
> It is not that important a point, but 126 is high. Do the following:
>
> In Control Panel - System - Advanced - Performance and click Settings -
> Advanced - Virtual Memory click Change
>
> Highlight the drive and select 'no page file' click Set to the right, OK
> out and reboot. As the BIOS info goes to black, hit F8, and in the Menu
> take Safe Mode. Use that to run the defragmenter, then go back to the
> place above, and put the page file settings back to what they were;
> click Set and reboot. The standard defragmenter does not consolidate
> free space, so if that is broken into small pieces you may still get a
> bit of fragmentation of a new large file, but not enough to matter
>
>
> --
> Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
> Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)

[Gerry Cornell]

Actually my original question was not expressed correctly. I should have =
said "I assume it may NOT be possible if pagefile.sys was in an NTFS =
formatted partition?". In other words it works where located in a FAT32 =
partition!

Are you using FAT32 or NTFS?

--=20

~~~~~~

Regards.

Gerry

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FCA

Stourport, Worcs, England
Enquire, plan and execute.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



"Incognitus" > wrote in message =
...
> Gerry, Alex can answer that question much better than I, but the =
simple
> answer is yes, I've had XP and ME sharing the same pagefile since the =
day
> that XP was installed on October, 27 2001.
>=20
> "Gerry Cornell" > wrote in message
> ...
> Alex
>=20
> Can Win XP and Windows 98 share pagefile.sys as suggested elsewhere in =
this
> thread? I assume it would be possible if pagefile.sys was on an NTFS
> formatted partition?
>=20
> --=20
>=20
> ~~~~~~
>=20
> Regards.
>=20
> Gerry
>=20
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> FCA
>
> Stourport, Worcs, England
> Enquire, plan and execute.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>=20
>=20
> "Alex Nichol" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Timax wrote:
> >
> > >I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126 =
file
> > >fragments that cannot be defragged. They are located in =
pagefile.sys but
> I
> > >am tolded that this file is 'locked' how do I unlock it?
> >
> > It is not that important a point, but 126 is high. Do the =
following:
> >
> > In Control Panel - System - Advanced - Performance and click =
Settings -
> > Advanced - Virtual Memory click Change
> >
> > Highlight the drive and select 'no page file' click Set to the =
right, OK
> > out and reboot. As the BIOS info goes to black, hit F8, and in the =
Menu
> > take Safe Mode. Use that to run the defragmenter, then go back to =
the
> > place above, and put the page file settings back to what they were;
> > click Set and reboot. The standard defragmenter does not =
consolidate
> > free space, so if that is broken into small pieces you may still get =
a
> > bit of fragmentation of a new large file, but not enough to matter
> >
> >
> > --=20
> > Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
> > Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)
>

[Incognitus]

"Gerry Cornell" > wrote in message
...
>Actually my original question was not expressed correctly. I should have
said "I assume it may NOT be possible if pagefile.sys was in an NTFS
formatted partition?". In other words it works where located in a FAT32
partition!

>Are you using FAT32 or NTFS?

My C: drive (ME) is FAT32, that's where my pagefile is, XP is on D: and it's
FAT32 as well, however, if D: were NTFS it shouldn't make a difference.
OTOH, if the pagefile were on an NTFS then ME couldn't share the pagefile, I
suppose.

[Alex Nichol]

Xref: kermit microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:929556

Gerry Cornell wrote:

>
>Can Win XP and Windows 98 share pagefile.sys as suggested elsewhere in this thread? I assume it would be possible if pagefile.sys was on an NTFS formatted partition?

Win98 uses a different file name - Win386.SWP
And Win98 will not see a partition formatted in NTFS anyway


--
Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)

[Incognitus]

Xref: kermit microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:929567


"Alex Nichol" > wrote in message
...
> Gerry Cornell wrote:
>
> >
> >Can Win XP and Windows 98 share pagefile.sys as suggested elsewhere in
this thread? I assume it would be possible if pagefile.sys was on an NTFS
formatted partition?
>
> Win98 uses a different file name - Win386.SWP

Win98 will use pagefile.sys if instructed to do so via system.ini [386enh]
section.

An old article but applies to XP as well.
Windows 95/98 and Windows NT 4.0 Can Share Virtual Memory
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];175639


> And Win98 will not see a partition formatted in NTFS anyway
>
>
> --
> Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
> Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)

[Shane]

"Incognitus" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Alex Nichol" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Gerry Cornell wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Can Win XP and Windows 98 share pagefile.sys as suggested elsewhere in
> this thread? I assume it would be possible if pagefile.sys was on an NTFS
> formatted partition?
> >
> > Win98 uses a different file name - Win386.SWP
>
> Win98 will use pagefile.sys if instructed to do so via system.ini [386enh]
> section.
>
> An old article but applies to XP as well.
> Windows 95/98 and Windows NT 4.0 Can Share Virtual Memory
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];175639
>

It won't work on an NTFS partition because, as Alex says, Win98 can't see
NTFS. As far as 98 is concerned the NTFS volume doesn't exist, therefore it
won't/can't put anything there. It will work on a FAT16/FAT32 partition.


Shane

[Richard Urban]

Yes, it will. But, it will not see/use/share one that is created on an NTFS
partition!

--
Regards:

Richard Urban

**aka** Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)


"Incognitus" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Alex Nichol" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Gerry Cornell wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Can Win XP and Windows 98 share pagefile.sys as suggested elsewhere in
> this thread? I assume it would be possible if pagefile.sys was on an NTFS
> formatted partition?
> >
> > Win98 uses a different file name - Win386.SWP
>
> Win98 will use pagefile.sys if instructed to do so via system.ini [386enh]
> section.
>
> An old article but applies to XP as well.
> Windows 95/98 and Windows NT 4.0 Can Share Virtual Memory
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];175639
>
>
> > And Win98 will not see a partition formatted in NTFS anyway
> >
> >
> > --
> > Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
> > Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)
>

[Incognitus]

Of course it won't, I never suggested it could.

"Richard Urban" > wrote in message
...
> Yes, it will. But, it will not see/use/share one that is created on an
NTFS
> partition!
>
> --
> Regards:
>
> Richard Urban
>
> **aka** Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>
>
> "Incognitus" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Alex Nichol" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Gerry Cornell wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >Can Win XP and Windows 98 share pagefile.sys as suggested elsewhere
in
> > this thread? I assume it would be possible if pagefile.sys was on an
NTFS
> > formatted partition?
> > >
> > > Win98 uses a different file name - Win386.SWP
> >
> > Win98 will use pagefile.sys if instructed to do so via system.ini
[386enh]
> > section.
> >
> > An old article but applies to XP as well.
> > Windows 95/98 and Windows NT 4.0 Can Share Virtual Memory
> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];175639
> >
> >
> > > And Win98 will not see a partition formatted in NTFS anyway
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
> > > Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)
> >
>
>

[Incognitus]

"Shane" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Incognitus" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Alex Nichol" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Gerry Cornell wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >Can Win XP and Windows 98 share pagefile.sys as suggested elsewhere
in
> > this thread? I assume it would be possible if pagefile.sys was on an
NTFS
> > formatted partition?
> > >
> > > Win98 uses a different file name - Win386.SWP
> >
> > Win98 will use pagefile.sys if instructed to do so via system.ini
[386enh]
> > section.
> >
> > An old article but applies to XP as well.
> > Windows 95/98 and Windows NT 4.0 Can Share Virtual Memory
> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];175639
> >
>
> It won't work on an NTFS partition because, as Alex says, Win98 can't see
> NTFS. As far as 98 is concerned the NTFS volume doesn't exist, therefore
it
> won't/can't put anything there. It will work on a FAT16/FAT32 partition.
>

Yes I'm well aware of the fact that Win98 can not see a NTFS partition.

You put pagefile.sys on the partition that Win98 is on and XP NTFS can and
will share the pagefile.

[Richard Urban]

Alex Nichols said "Win98 will not see a partition formatted in NTFS anyway".

You responded "Win98 will use pagefile.sys if instructed to do so via
system.ini [386enh]
section".

Sure sounds like you implied it would! Sorry, but that's the way I read it!

--
Regards:

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

"Incognitus" > wrote in message
...
> Of course it won't, I never suggested it could.
>
> "Richard Urban" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Yes, it will. But, it will not see/use/share one that is created on an
> NTFS
> > partition!
> >
> > --
> > Regards:
> >
> > Richard Urban
> >
> > **aka** Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> >
> >
> > "Incognitus" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Alex Nichol" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Gerry Cornell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Can Win XP and Windows 98 share pagefile.sys as suggested elsewhere
> in
> > > this thread? I assume it would be possible if pagefile.sys was on an
> NTFS
> > > formatted partition?
> > > >
> > > > Win98 uses a different file name - Win386.SWP
> > >
> > > Win98 will use pagefile.sys if instructed to do so via system.ini
> [386enh]
> > > section.
> > >
> > > An old article but applies to XP as well.
> > > Windows 95/98 and Windows NT 4.0 Can Share Virtual Memory
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];175639
> > >
> > >
> > > > And Win98 will not see a partition formatted in NTFS anyway
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
> > > > Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)
> > >
> >
> >
>

[Incognitus]

"Richard Urban" > wrote in message
...
> Alex Nichols said "Win98 will not see a partition formatted in NTFS
anyway".

And I did not reply to that statement, all of my reply was above that
statement.

An excerpt:
Alex:
"Win98 uses a different file name - Win386.SWP"
My reply:
"Win98 will use pagefile.sys if instructed to do so via system.ini [386enh]
section."

I probably should've said:
Win98 will 'also use the filename' pagefile.sys instead of Win386.SWP if
instructed to do so via system.ini [386enh] section."

I also included this link to confirm my statement.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];175639

> You responded "Win98 will use pagefile.sys if instructed to do so via
> system.ini [386enh]
> section".
>
> Sure sounds like you implied it would! Sorry, but that's the way I read
it!


I was in no way disagreeing with Alex, no matter how you read it, sorry.

[RJK]

....is this thread dead... ? .....

I just got back from Bournemouth, where I stuck in a 512mb stick of memory
into my bro's PC, (has to pull one of his 128mb's) ....(pc2100 not that
that's relevant......) ...now he's got 640mb.

A couple of months b4 Xmas i think it was, I visited there and installed XP
Pro for him. Shortly afterwards, he was unhappy with XP Pro because Nero,
(he uses Nero a lot), ....Nero would just bomb out and vanish, when he was
"loading up" or "importing" or whatever it's called in the program, a 40gb
approx. *.mp3 file into the Nero wave editor plugin. (He bought the plugin
a long time ago because the one supplied with Nero was "time" or "use"
limited. That was ripoff....but, another story!

Anyway, this afternoon, after plugging in his 512mb pc2100, I checked his
system through and noticed that his pagefile.sys size was NOT managed by
Windows ....forgot what min. was but, max. was 384mb's. THAT MUST HAVE been
the default setting when XP Pro was installed. WHAT A STUPID DEFAULT !! I
enjoyed that, I'm going to shout it again...

WHAT A BLOODY STUPID DEFAULT !!! (I added a swear word that time, and
enjoyed it even more!)

I changed that to "Let Windows manage...etc), and rebooted, then checked his
pagefile.sys size - it had immediately grown to a massive 984mb's !
....from the previous max. 384mb. (Was that because XP Pro had been noting
that his NERO app. really needed a huge swap file but, could'nt increase it
? )

I suspect that he didn't really need more RAM, (though of course his XP Pro
will be much happier with 640mb's of ram), BUT, the point is that,
technically, MS COST ME A STRIP OF RAM !!!!!!!! B******S !

regards, Richard :-)


"Timax" > wrote in message
...
> I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126 file
> fragments that cannot be defragged. They are located in pagefile.sys but I
> am tolded that this file is 'locked' how do I unlock it? Is it a case of
> unlocking it and running defrag again or is there something else that I
need
> to do?
>
>

[Richard Urban]

Send them a bill and hold your breath!

--
Regards:

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

"RJK" > wrote in message
...
> ...is this thread dead... ? .....
>
> I just got back from Bournemouth, where I stuck in a 512mb stick of memory
> into my bro's PC, (has to pull one of his 128mb's) ....(pc2100 not that
> that's relevant......) ...now he's got 640mb.
>
> A couple of months b4 Xmas i think it was, I visited there and installed
XP
> Pro for him. Shortly afterwards, he was unhappy with XP Pro because Nero,
> (he uses Nero a lot), ....Nero would just bomb out and vanish, when he was
> "loading up" or "importing" or whatever it's called in the program, a 40gb
> approx. *.mp3 file into the Nero wave editor plugin. (He bought the
plugin
> a long time ago because the one supplied with Nero was "time" or "use"
> limited. That was ripoff....but, another story!
>
> Anyway, this afternoon, after plugging in his 512mb pc2100, I checked his
> system through and noticed that his pagefile.sys size was NOT managed by
> Windows ....forgot what min. was but, max. was 384mb's. THAT MUST HAVE
been
> the default setting when XP Pro was installed. WHAT A STUPID DEFAULT !!
I
> enjoyed that, I'm going to shout it again...
>
> WHAT A BLOODY STUPID DEFAULT !!! (I added a swear word that time, and
> enjoyed it even more!)
>
> I changed that to "Let Windows manage...etc), and rebooted, then checked
his
> pagefile.sys size - it had immediately grown to a massive 984mb's !
> ...from the previous max. 384mb. (Was that because XP Pro had been noting
> that his NERO app. really needed a huge swap file but, could'nt increase
it
> ? )
>
> I suspect that he didn't really need more RAM, (though of course his XP
Pro
> will be much happier with 640mb's of ram), BUT, the point is that,
> technically, MS COST ME A STRIP OF RAM !!!!!!!! B******S !
>
> regards, Richard :-)
>
>
> "Timax" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126 file
> > fragments that cannot be defragged. They are located in pagefile.sys but
I
> > am tolded that this file is 'locked' how do I unlock it? Is it a case of
> > unlocking it and running defrag again or is there something else that I
> need
> > to do?
> >
> >
>
>

[RJK]

lol ...the UK version of that is ".....but, don't hold your breath!"

...my "..40gb approx. *.mp3 file..." should have been 40mb of course.

regards, Richard


"Richard Urban" > wrote in message
...
> Send them a bill and hold your breath!
>
> --
> Regards:
>
> Richard Urban
>
> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>
> "RJK" > wrote in message
> ...
> > ...is this thread dead... ? .....
> >
> > I just got back from Bournemouth, where I stuck in a 512mb stick of
memory
> > into my bro's PC, (has to pull one of his 128mb's) ....(pc2100 not that
> > that's relevant......) ...now he's got 640mb.
> >
> > A couple of months b4 Xmas i think it was, I visited there and installed
> XP
> > Pro for him. Shortly afterwards, he was unhappy with XP Pro because
Nero,
> > (he uses Nero a lot), ....Nero would just bomb out and vanish, when he
was
> > "loading up" or "importing" or whatever it's called in the program, a
40gb
> > approx. *.mp3 file into the Nero wave editor plugin. (He bought the
> plugin
> > a long time ago because the one supplied with Nero was "time" or "use"
> > limited. That was ripoff....but, another story!
> >
> > Anyway, this afternoon, after plugging in his 512mb pc2100, I checked
his
> > system through and noticed that his pagefile.sys size was NOT managed by
> > Windows ....forgot what min. was but, max. was 384mb's. THAT MUST HAVE
> been
> > the default setting when XP Pro was installed. WHAT A STUPID DEFAULT !!
> I
> > enjoyed that, I'm going to shout it again...
> >
> > WHAT A BLOODY STUPID DEFAULT !!! (I added a swear word that time, and
> > enjoyed it even more!)
> >
> > I changed that to "Let Windows manage...etc), and rebooted, then checked
> his
> > pagefile.sys size - it had immediately grown to a massive 984mb's !
> > ...from the previous max. 384mb. (Was that because XP Pro had been
noting
> > that his NERO app. really needed a huge swap file but, could'nt increase
> it
> > ? )
> >
> > I suspect that he didn't really need more RAM, (though of course his XP
> Pro
> > will be much happier with 640mb's of ram), BUT, the point is that,
> > technically, MS COST ME A STRIP OF RAM !!!!!!!! B******S !
> >
> > regards, Richard :-)
> >
> >
> > "Timax" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I have run a defrag on my C drive and it tells me that i have 126 file
> > > fragments that cannot be defragged. They are located in pagefile.sys
but
> I
> > > am tolded that this file is 'locked' how do I unlock it? Is it a case
of
> > > unlocking it and running defrag again or is there something else that
I
> > need
> > > to do?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Alex Nichol]

RJK wrote:

>
>Anyway, this afternoon, after plugging in his 512mb pc2100, I checked his
>system through and noticed that his pagefile.sys size was NOT managed by
>Windows ....forgot what min. was but, max. was 384mb's. THAT MUST HAVE been
>the default setting when XP Pro was installed. WHAT A STUPID DEFAULT !! I
>enjoyed that, I'm going to shout it again...
>
>WHAT A BLOODY STUPID DEFAULT !!! (I added a swear word that time, and
>enjoyed it even more!)

It is. See my page at www.aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm. Unfortunately the
people who did the setup side don't seem to have talked to those who
wrote the VM code.

It sets lower limits on small RAM - like the perennial, discredited,
page file should be max=min= n x RAM. Which sets a max *way* too low on
a 128 MB machine. You will not have helped by upgrading to 512 MB
(which will not have resulted in any changes in pagefile being done
automatically) - that will be happy with the old initial size, but with
more RAM, there is a natural tendency to load more, and the old Max
would be inadequate for that. I would have max maybe 900 - with an init
that can perfectly well be only 100 at least as a start point



--
Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)