Re: Kaylene... Lorne - do I move it ...?

[~ Free Spirit ~]

"Lorne Smith" > wrote in message
...
> FreeSpirit... I strongly suggest you go and buy a copy of Windows XP
for
> Dummies book.

** I have that book and it's not great for trouble shooting at all. Also
with 4 different indexes it's not easy to find certain information.

Note I'm NOT calling you a dummy here, the For Dummies series
> are an excellent series of books aimed at the absolute beginner. No
offence
> but you seem to need a level of help you're not likely to get from the
> newsgroups until you have a basic understanding of how Windows works....

** I have a GREAT understanding of how W98 works as I had it several years
(and W95 before that). This PC with XP works a lot differently.

> I'ev already guided you through how to get a directory listing into a
text
> file, which you should then have been able to open in notepad and print,
but
> it seems not to have helped. I guess I was assuming a basic
understanding
> of Windows so my apologies. I'll try to show you how again, without
using
> any extra software. Try the following steps:

** Some of the advice and help I received here was way over what the
average person can understand. The tech "terminology" gets in the way.

> 1) Click START, then click RUN
> 2) Type in CMD in the window which opens and click OK, a black window
will
> appear. This is the windows Command Prompt

** Which my friends call the DOS WINDOW. See what I mean? :(

> 3) You now need to access the directory where your midi files are. For
> example: If the were located in the folder "c:\music\midi", then you
would
> type "CD C:\music\midi" and press the enter key. Do not include the
> quotation marks.

** OK... I couldn't do this because nothing was under C:\ it was all
under Desktop/My Documents. When I typed it in I got this: "Desktop is
not recognized as an internal or external command" is what I got in the
prompt window. No one told me these things belong UNDER Local Disk C:\.
All my private files were under Desktop/My Documents.

> I would guess that your midi files are located in your "My Documents"
> folder? These seems to be what you are saying. To access this folder,
you
> would need something like "CD C:\Documents & Settings\FreeSpirit\My
> Documents".

** See above. This version of WXP-Home has the My Documents folder UNDER
Desktop, not UNDER C:\ which I believe caused this problem. Should I move
everything UNDER Local Disk C:\ ?

Note that may not be the exact path, as I cannot know your user
> name (where I have put FreeSpirit). You can find the correct path
easily
> enough by right clicking on one of your midi files and choosing
PROPERTIES
> from the popup menu, then look for a field like LOCATION, this will tell
you
> the exact path.
> 4) Once in the correct folder, type "DIR *.MID > midifiles.txt" and
press
> enter. This will create a text file MIDIFILES.TXT holding a list of all
the
> midi files in the folder.
> 5) In Explorer, browse to your midi files folder, locate the
MIDIFILES.TXT
> file and double click it to open it in notepad, then click the File ->
Print
> menu option...

** OK... to do this they have to be BELOW Local Disk C: and NOT where
theywere last night. I made a NEW folder under Local Disk C: and copied
EVERYTHING from My Documents under Desktop to that new folder. I will see
if that works. It should.

> Hope that helps, but honestly, DO buy yourself a beginners book... It'll
> help you immensely...
>
> Lorne

** I HAVE windows XP for Dummies and there is nothing about where your
personal files belong - under Desktop or under C:\ There is nothing we
could find on how to print or C&Paste from a folder.
--
FS......
My webpages:
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/indexpage.html
"Go for younger men. You might as well, they never mature anyway."
~~~~<~~~~<~~~{@ ~~~~<~~~~<~~~{@ ~~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~{@

[Lorne Smith]

Please see my comments inline with yours...

"~ Free Spirit ~" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Lorne Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
> > FreeSpirit... I strongly suggest you go and buy a copy of Windows XP
> for
> > Dummies book.
>
> ** I have that book and it's not great for trouble shooting at all. Also
> with 4 different indexes it's not easy to find certain information.
>
> Note I'm NOT calling you a dummy here, the For Dummies series
> > are an excellent series of books aimed at the absolute beginner. No
> offence
> > but you seem to need a level of help you're not likely to get from the
> > newsgroups until you have a basic understanding of how Windows works....
>
> ** I have a GREAT understanding of how W98 works as I had it several years
> (and W95 before that). This PC with XP works a lot differently.
>

If you have worked with W98 and W95, then I'm honestly surprised you don't
already have at least a basic understanding of the available DOS commands
and how to use them. These earlier versions of Windows are not TRUE
operating systems in their own right, but are actually shell's which sit
around DOS. Picture a snail in it's shell. All you see is the shell so you
would think that the shell is the snail, where in actual fact the snail is
the little creature hiding inside the shell. The shell is there to protect
the snail but that doesn't mean that the shell is the snail...

As for XP working differently. OK, it can appear that way at times, but it
isn't really that different to W95/W98.. They've just tidied the interface
up somewhat and honestly, it IS better the way it is now...

> > I'ev already guided you through how to get a directory listing into a
> text
> > file, which you should then have been able to open in notepad and print,
> but
> > it seems not to have helped. I guess I was assuming a basic
> understanding
> > of Windows so my apologies. I'll try to show you how again, without
> using
> > any extra software. Try the following steps:
>
> ** Some of the advice and help I received here was way over what the
> average person can understand. The tech "terminology" gets in the way.
>
> > 1) Click START, then click RUN
> > 2) Type in CMD in the window which opens and click OK, a black window
> will
> > appear. This is the windows Command Prompt
>
> ** Which my friends call the DOS WINDOW. See what I mean? :(
>

I didn't call it a DOS window because there IS no DOS in Windows XP. There
is a Command Prompt which has DOS like commands and can execute DOS
applications, but it is not DOS. I guess you could say if it looks like
DOS, and works like DOS, then it IS DOS, but that is not the case and I
didn't want to lead you into any misconceptions.


> > 3) You now need to access the directory where your midi files are. For
> > example: If the were located in the folder "c:\music\midi", then you
> would
> > type "CD C:\music\midi" and press the enter key. Do not include the
> > quotation marks.
>
> ** OK... I couldn't do this because nothing was under C:\ it was all
> under Desktop/My Documents. When I typed it in I got this: "Desktop is
> not recognized as an internal or external command" is what I got in the
> prompt window. No one told me these things belong UNDER Local Disk C:\.
> All my private files were under Desktop/My Documents.
>

Desktop\My Documents is a folder which is actually physically located under
the "C:\Documents & Settings\UserName" folder structure. What you see in
the explorer window is a shortcut to make it easier to get to the folder,
but it's physical location is still under C:\. The same was true with W95 &
W98, though the folder structure was slightly different...

> > I would guess that your midi files are located in your "My Documents"
> > folder? These seems to be what you are saying. To access this folder,
> you
> > would need something like "CD C:\Documents & Settings\FreeSpirit\My
> > Documents".
>
> ** See above. This version of WXP-Home has the My Documents folder UNDER
> Desktop, not UNDER C:\ which I believe caused this problem. Should I move
> everything UNDER Local Disk C:\ ?
>
> Note that may not be the exact path, as I cannot know your user
> > name (where I have put FreeSpirit). You can find the correct path
> easily
> > enough by right clicking on one of your midi files and choosing
> PROPERTIES
> > from the popup menu, then look for a field like LOCATION, this will tell
> you
> > the exact path.
> > 4) Once in the correct folder, type "DIR *.MID > midifiles.txt" and
> press
> > enter. This will create a text file MIDIFILES.TXT holding a list of all
> the
> > midi files in the folder.
> > 5) In Explorer, browse to your midi files folder, locate the
> MIDIFILES.TXT
> > file and double click it to open it in notepad, then click the File ->
> Print
> > menu option...
>
> ** OK... to do this they have to be BELOW Local Disk C: and NOT where
> theywere last night. I made a NEW folder under Local Disk C: and copied
> EVERYTHING from My Documents under Desktop to that new folder. I will see
> if that works. It should.
>
> > Hope that helps, but honestly, DO buy yourself a beginners book... It'll
> > help you immensely...
> >
> > Lorne
>
> ** I HAVE windows XP for Dummies and there is nothing about where your
> personal files belong - under Desktop or under C:\ There is nothing we
> could find on how to print or C&Paste from a folder.
> --

This surprises me... Admittedly I've only glanced through it when I bought
the book for my dad, but it seems to cover most of the basics so I would
expect it to at least explain basic terminoligies and techniques... Maybe
I'd better re-evaluate my opinion of the book!

Lorne

> FS......
> My webpages:
> http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/indexpage.html
> "Go for younger men. You might as well, they never mature anyway."
> ~~~~<~~~~<~~~{@ ~~~~<~~~~<~~~{@ ~~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~{@
>
>
>

[~ Free Spirit ~]

"Lorne Smith" > wrote in message
...
> If you have worked with W98 and W95, then I'm honestly surprised you
don't
> already have at least a basic understanding of the available DOS
commands
> and how to use them.

** Aside from Msconfig I didn't use DOS commands. I can honestly say we
had very, very little trouble with W98. We also had an excellent book -
but few cover the things that can and do go wrong with any software.

These earlier versions of Windows are not TRUE
> operating systems in their own right, but are actually shell's which sit
> around DOS. Picture a snail in it's shell. All you see is the shell so
you
> would think that the shell is the snail, where in actual fact the snail
is
> the little creature hiding inside the shell. The shell is there to
protect
> the snail but that doesn't mean that the shell is the snail...

** Gotcha. :-)

> As for XP working differently. OK, it can appear that way at times, but
it
> isn't really that different to W95/W98.. They've just tidied the
interface
> up somewhat and honestly, it IS better the way it is now...

** Well it seems to me a lot more stable, although W98 seldom locked up
on us (BOD). We seldom had any of the problems so many people bitched
about. But then we did the scan-disk, defragged, dumped unwanted
"trashfiles", ran Norton WinDr, Spybot etc. Also we're not always loading
and removing software. We download what we need and usually keep it.
There are things I like better about XP.

> > ** Some of the advice and help I received here was way over what the
> > average person can understand. The tech "terminology" gets in the
way.
> >
> > > 1) Click START, then click RUN
> > > 2) Type in CMD in the window which opens and click OK, a black
window
> > will
> > > appear. This is the windows Command Prompt
> >
> > ** Which my friends call the DOS WINDOW. See what I mean? :(


> I didn't call it a DOS window because there IS no DOS in Windows XP.
There
> is a Command Prompt which has DOS like commands and can execute DOS
> applications, but it is not DOS. I guess you could say if it looks like
> DOS, and works like DOS, then it IS DOS, but that is not the case and I
> didn't want to lead you into any misconceptions.

** I understand. This *IS* a whole new/or different OS.

> > ** OK... I couldn't do this because nothing was under C:\ it was all
> > under Desktop/My Documents. When I typed it in I got this:
"Desktop is
> > not recognized as an internal or external command" is what I got in
the
> > prompt window. No one told me these things belong UNDER Local Disk
C:\.
> > All my private files were under Desktop/My Documents.

> Desktop\My Documents is a folder which is actually physically located
under
> the "C:\Documents & Settings\UserName" folder structure. What you see
in
> the explorer window is a shortcut to make it easier to get to the
folder,
> but it's physical location is still under C:\. The same was true with
W95 &
> W98, though the folder structure was slightly different...

** This is where the confusion comes in when in Windows Explorer in XP. I
couldn't locate my personal files there under C:\. I just looked and they
*are* there. Lots of clicks to get to them. I must have my files in 3
places now since I created another folder and copied them all there the
other night. :-(

> > ** I HAVE windows XP for Dummies and there is nothing about where
your
> > personal files belong - under Desktop or under C:\ There is nothing
we
> > could find on how to print or C&Paste from a folder.


> This surprises me... Admittedly I've only glanced through it when I
bought
> the book for my dad, but it seems to cover most of the basics so I would
> expect it to at least explain basic terminoligies and techniques...
Maybe
> I'd better re-evaluate my opinion of the book!

** I've seen BETTER books for Dummies, although this book does cover a lot
of ground. Also please understand there are over 700 pages in this book
and several indexes. My husband mentioned he couldn't even find reference
to some things he was looking for. It's not a book I personally would
recommend to a XP newbie.
The biggest problem I've seen with these books is most "assume" the person
has some knowledge, or knows the terminology and that isn't always the
case. Unless we have a PC problem we're not apt to start spending hours
looking up information we don't need.... human nature perhaps.

FS..........