Re: Installation and Serial ATA drives

[David Hollway [MVP]]

"jbrubaker" > wrote in message
...
> Anyone out there find the trick for this?
> Copies the files, reboots, and then askd for bootable media. As long as an
XP or 2000 CD is in the drive, it will boot and run fine.
> Know it is an MBR issue, but not sure where to go. Intel P4 wit Intel
motherboard, Intel blames XP, Microsoft blames the hard drive manufacturer.
>
> Have tried mutiple drives, and seems to be same issue ith all drive.
>
> Have updated BIOS as well

Hi,

Which motherboard are you using?
If you're using a single drive, you don't need to supply an additional
driver at installation time, because the S-ATA ports on the ICH5 southbridge
are natively seen by XP. I know this because I've installed XP (admittedly,
with SP1, although I don't _think_ that's necessary) on Intel motherboards
with ICH5 & a S-ATA drive several times recently. I've even used
drive-cloning software to clone an XP installation from an ATA/100 drive to
a S-ATA drive and experienced no problems.

If you're using dual drives, and want them to be treated as a RAID0 or RAID1
array, then you must enable RAID in the system BIOS, and only then is a
driver required when you install XP.

Hope this helps..?

[Malke]

jbrubaker wrote:

> Anyone out there find the trick for this?
> Copies the files, reboots, and then askd for bootable media. As long
> as an XP or 2000 CD is in the drive, it will boot and run fine. Know
> it is an MBR issue, but not sure where to go. Intel P4 wit Intel
> motherboard, Intel blames XP, Microsoft blames the hard drive
> manufacturer.
>
> Have tried mutiple drives, and seems to be same issue ith all drive.
>
> Have updated BIOS as well

This usually is not an mbr issue but rather that the computer is looking
for the operating system boot files on the cd-rom drive instead of the
hard drive in the BIOS. Go into your BIOS and set the computer to boot
from the hard drive first.

Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"

[jbrubaker]

There is no motherboard SCSI, as it is found on the southbridge of the chipset by Windows. This is Serial ATA, not IDE Raid. Any other thoughts?

[jbrubaker]

I have done this, now when Windows goes through, finds the drive, copies the files, and reboots, it will go past the hard drive to the CD. But when you try to reinstall windos, it says that it is already installed.

Any other ideas. i spent hours on the phoen with Intel, no help.

It is a D865PERL motherboard.

----- Malke wrote: -----

jbrubaker wrote:

> Anyone out there find the trick for this?
> Copies the files, reboots, and then askd for bootable media. As long
> as an XP or 2000 CD is in the drive, it will boot and run fine. Know
> it is an MBR issue, but not sure where to go. Intel P4 wit Intel
> motherboard, Intel blames XP, Microsoft blames the hard drive
> manufacturer.
>> Have tried mutiple drives, and seems to be same issue ith all drive.
>> Have updated BIOS as well

This usually is not an mbr issue but rather that the computer is looking
for the operating system boot files on the cd-rom drive instead of the
hard drive in the BIOS. Go into your BIOS and set the computer to boot
from the hard drive first.

Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"

[David Hollway [MVP]]

"jbrubaker" > wrote in message
...
> It is a single smasung Drive, Intel D865PERL Motherboard, so no Raid.
>
> I have thought about installing on an IDE drive and then ghosting to see
if it would fix the issue.
>
> Any other recommendations?

Hi,

Well, I know for certain that no driver should be needed, but as luck would
have it I have a D865PERL board here (revision C26719-203) so to make sure,
I'll hook it up now to a S-ATA drive (Seagate Barracuda SATA V, 120GB) and
will post back here later today with the results..

[David Hollway [MVP]]

"David Hollway [MVP]" > wrote in
message ...
> "jbrubaker" > wrote in message
> ...
> > It is a single samsung Drive, Intel D865PERL Motherboard, so no Raid.
> >
> > I have thought about installing on an IDE drive and then ghosting to see
> if it would fix the issue.
> >
> > Any other recommendations?
>
> Hi,
>
> Well, I know for certain that no driver should be needed, but as luck
would
> have it I have a D865PERL board here (revision C26719-203) so to make
sure,
> I'll hook it up now to a S-ATA drive (Seagate Barracuda SATA V, 120GB) and
> will post back here later today with the results..
>

Hi,

As promised in my earlier post, I've now set up XP on this system:
Intel(R) D865PERL motherboard, BIOS version 86A.P12
Intel Pentium(R) 4 processor, 3.2GHz/800
Seagate 120GB S-ATA drive on S-ATA port 0
Hitachi GD-7500 DVD-ROM on Primary IDE

Here are the steps I took:
1) Set BIOS: Advanced-> Drive Config, set ATA Configuration to [Enhanced],
Intel(R) RAID Technology [Disabled], and on the Boot page set Boot Device
Priority to have CD-ROM drive first
2) Put Windows XP SP1 CD into drive, boot
3) Press F8 to agree to EULA, partition manager shows "unpartitioned space"
4) Create a partition, select to format as NTFS (Quick)
5) XP Setup formats the drive, copies all needed files from CD, reboots
6) Graphical part of Setup starts - "Installing Windows / will complete in
approx 39 minutes"
7) Prompted for Regional options - fill in details.
8) Specify network settings
9) Installation finishes, reboots
10) Set Up Windows - enter user names, etc
11) Windows desktop - now install Intel Chipset .INF update, peripheral
drivers, Windows Updates etc.

As you can see, it was successful, with no complications.

I hope this helps - let me know if you need more assistance.

[David Hollway [MVP]]

"jbrubaker" > wrote in message
...
> Anyone out there find the trick for this?
> Copies the files, reboots, and then askd for bootable media. As long as an
XP or 2000 CD is in the drive, it will boot and run fine.
> Know it is an MBR issue, but not sure where to go. Intel P4 wit Intel
motherboard, Intel blames XP, Microsoft blames the hard drive manufacturer.
>
> Have tried mutiple drives, and seems to be same issue ith all drive.
>
> Have updated BIOS as well

Hi,

Which motherboard are you using?
If you're using a single drive, you don't need to supply an additional
driver at installation time, because the S-ATA ports on the ICH5 southbridge
are natively seen by XP. I know this because I've installed XP (admittedly,
with SP1, although I don't _think_ that's necessary) on Intel motherboards
with ICH5 & a S-ATA drive several times recently. I've even used
drive-cloning software to clone an XP installation from an ATA/100 drive to
a S-ATA drive and experienced no problems.

If you're using dual drives, and want them to be treated as a RAID0 or RAID1
array, then you must enable RAID in the system BIOS, and only then is a
driver required when you install XP.

Hope this helps..?

[Malke]

jbrubaker wrote:

> Anyone out there find the trick for this?
> Copies the files, reboots, and then askd for bootable media. As long
> as an XP or 2000 CD is in the drive, it will boot and run fine. Know
> it is an MBR issue, but not sure where to go. Intel P4 wit Intel
> motherboard, Intel blames XP, Microsoft blames the hard drive
> manufacturer.
>
> Have tried mutiple drives, and seems to be same issue ith all drive.
>
> Have updated BIOS as well

This usually is not an mbr issue but rather that the computer is looking
for the operating system boot files on the cd-rom drive instead of the
hard drive in the BIOS. Go into your BIOS and set the computer to boot
from the hard drive first.

Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"

[jbrubaker]

There is no motherboard SCSI, as it is found on the southbridge of the chipset by Windows. This is Serial ATA, not IDE Raid. Any other thoughts?

[jbrubaker]

I have done this, now when Windows goes through, finds the drive, copies the files, and reboots, it will go past the hard drive to the CD. But when you try to reinstall windos, it says that it is already installed.

Any other ideas. i spent hours on the phoen with Intel, no help.

It is a D865PERL motherboard.

----- Malke wrote: -----

jbrubaker wrote:

> Anyone out there find the trick for this?
> Copies the files, reboots, and then askd for bootable media. As long
> as an XP or 2000 CD is in the drive, it will boot and run fine. Know
> it is an MBR issue, but not sure where to go. Intel P4 wit Intel
> motherboard, Intel blames XP, Microsoft blames the hard drive
> manufacturer.
>> Have tried mutiple drives, and seems to be same issue ith all drive.
>> Have updated BIOS as well

This usually is not an mbr issue but rather that the computer is looking
for the operating system boot files on the cd-rom drive instead of the
hard drive in the BIOS. Go into your BIOS and set the computer to boot
from the hard drive first.

Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"

[David Hollway [MVP]]

"jbrubaker" > wrote in message
...
> It is a single smasung Drive, Intel D865PERL Motherboard, so no Raid.
>
> I have thought about installing on an IDE drive and then ghosting to see
if it would fix the issue.
>
> Any other recommendations?

Hi,

Well, I know for certain that no driver should be needed, but as luck would
have it I have a D865PERL board here (revision C26719-203) so to make sure,
I'll hook it up now to a S-ATA drive (Seagate Barracuda SATA V, 120GB) and
will post back here later today with the results..

[David Hollway [MVP]]

"David Hollway [MVP]" > wrote in
message ...
> "jbrubaker" > wrote in message
> ...
> > It is a single samsung Drive, Intel D865PERL Motherboard, so no Raid.
> >
> > I have thought about installing on an IDE drive and then ghosting to see
> if it would fix the issue.
> >
> > Any other recommendations?
>
> Hi,
>
> Well, I know for certain that no driver should be needed, but as luck
would
> have it I have a D865PERL board here (revision C26719-203) so to make
sure,
> I'll hook it up now to a S-ATA drive (Seagate Barracuda SATA V, 120GB) and
> will post back here later today with the results..
>

Hi,

As promised in my earlier post, I've now set up XP on this system:
Intel(R) D865PERL motherboard, BIOS version 86A.P12
Intel Pentium(R) 4 processor, 3.2GHz/800
Seagate 120GB S-ATA drive on S-ATA port 0
Hitachi GD-7500 DVD-ROM on Primary IDE

Here are the steps I took:
1) Set BIOS: Advanced-> Drive Config, set ATA Configuration to [Enhanced],
Intel(R) RAID Technology [Disabled], and on the Boot page set Boot Device
Priority to have CD-ROM drive first
2) Put Windows XP SP1 CD into drive, boot
3) Press F8 to agree to EULA, partition manager shows "unpartitioned space"
4) Create a partition, select to format as NTFS (Quick)
5) XP Setup formats the drive, copies all needed files from CD, reboots
6) Graphical part of Setup starts - "Installing Windows / will complete in
approx 39 minutes"
7) Prompted for Regional options - fill in details.
8) Specify network settings
9) Installation finishes, reboots
10) Set Up Windows - enter user names, etc
11) Windows desktop - now install Intel Chipset .INF update, peripheral
drivers, Windows Updates etc.

As you can see, it was successful, with no complications.

I hope this helps - let me know if you need more assistance.

[David Hollway [MVP]]

"jbrubaker" > wrote in message
...
> Anyone out there find the trick for this?
> Copies the files, reboots, and then askd for bootable media. As long as an
XP or 2000 CD is in the drive, it will boot and run fine.
> Know it is an MBR issue, but not sure where to go. Intel P4 wit Intel
motherboard, Intel blames XP, Microsoft blames the hard drive manufacturer.
>
> Have tried mutiple drives, and seems to be same issue ith all drive.
>
> Have updated BIOS as well

Hi,

Which motherboard are you using?
If you're using a single drive, you don't need to supply an additional
driver at installation time, because the S-ATA ports on the ICH5 southbridge
are natively seen by XP. I know this because I've installed XP (admittedly,
with SP1, although I don't _think_ that's necessary) on Intel motherboards
with ICH5 & a S-ATA drive several times recently. I've even used
drive-cloning software to clone an XP installation from an ATA/100 drive to
a S-ATA drive and experienced no problems.

If you're using dual drives, and want them to be treated as a RAID0 or RAID1
array, then you must enable RAID in the system BIOS, and only then is a
driver required when you install XP.

Hope this helps..?

[Malke]

jbrubaker wrote:

> Anyone out there find the trick for this?
> Copies the files, reboots, and then askd for bootable media. As long
> as an XP or 2000 CD is in the drive, it will boot and run fine. Know
> it is an MBR issue, but not sure where to go. Intel P4 wit Intel
> motherboard, Intel blames XP, Microsoft blames the hard drive
> manufacturer.
>
> Have tried mutiple drives, and seems to be same issue ith all drive.
>
> Have updated BIOS as well

This usually is not an mbr issue but rather that the computer is looking
for the operating system boot files on the cd-rom drive instead of the
hard drive in the BIOS. Go into your BIOS and set the computer to boot
from the hard drive first.

Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"

[jbrubaker]

There is no motherboard SCSI, as it is found on the southbridge of the chipset by Windows. This is Serial ATA, not IDE Raid. Any other thoughts?

[jbrubaker]

I have done this, now when Windows goes through, finds the drive, copies the files, and reboots, it will go past the hard drive to the CD. But when you try to reinstall windos, it says that it is already installed.

Any other ideas. i spent hours on the phoen with Intel, no help.

It is a D865PERL motherboard.

----- Malke wrote: -----

jbrubaker wrote:

> Anyone out there find the trick for this?
> Copies the files, reboots, and then askd for bootable media. As long
> as an XP or 2000 CD is in the drive, it will boot and run fine. Know
> it is an MBR issue, but not sure where to go. Intel P4 wit Intel
> motherboard, Intel blames XP, Microsoft blames the hard drive
> manufacturer.
>> Have tried mutiple drives, and seems to be same issue ith all drive.
>> Have updated BIOS as well

This usually is not an mbr issue but rather that the computer is looking
for the operating system boot files on the cd-rom drive instead of the
hard drive in the BIOS. Go into your BIOS and set the computer to boot
from the hard drive first.

Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"

[David Hollway [MVP]]

"jbrubaker" > wrote in message
...
> It is a single smasung Drive, Intel D865PERL Motherboard, so no Raid.
>
> I have thought about installing on an IDE drive and then ghosting to see
if it would fix the issue.
>
> Any other recommendations?

Hi,

Well, I know for certain that no driver should be needed, but as luck would
have it I have a D865PERL board here (revision C26719-203) so to make sure,
I'll hook it up now to a S-ATA drive (Seagate Barracuda SATA V, 120GB) and
will post back here later today with the results..

[David Hollway [MVP]]

"David Hollway [MVP]" > wrote in
message ...
> "jbrubaker" > wrote in message
> ...
> > It is a single samsung Drive, Intel D865PERL Motherboard, so no Raid.
> >
> > I have thought about installing on an IDE drive and then ghosting to see
> if it would fix the issue.
> >
> > Any other recommendations?
>
> Hi,
>
> Well, I know for certain that no driver should be needed, but as luck
would
> have it I have a D865PERL board here (revision C26719-203) so to make
sure,
> I'll hook it up now to a S-ATA drive (Seagate Barracuda SATA V, 120GB) and
> will post back here later today with the results..
>

Hi,

As promised in my earlier post, I've now set up XP on this system:
Intel(R) D865PERL motherboard, BIOS version 86A.P12
Intel Pentium(R) 4 processor, 3.2GHz/800
Seagate 120GB S-ATA drive on S-ATA port 0
Hitachi GD-7500 DVD-ROM on Primary IDE

Here are the steps I took:
1) Set BIOS: Advanced-> Drive Config, set ATA Configuration to [Enhanced],
Intel(R) RAID Technology [Disabled], and on the Boot page set Boot Device
Priority to have CD-ROM drive first
2) Put Windows XP SP1 CD into drive, boot
3) Press F8 to agree to EULA, partition manager shows "unpartitioned space"
4) Create a partition, select to format as NTFS (Quick)
5) XP Setup formats the drive, copies all needed files from CD, reboots
6) Graphical part of Setup starts - "Installing Windows / will complete in
approx 39 minutes"
7) Prompted for Regional options - fill in details.
8) Specify network settings
9) Installation finishes, reboots
10) Set Up Windows - enter user names, etc
11) Windows desktop - now install Intel Chipset .INF update, peripheral
drivers, Windows Updates etc.

As you can see, it was successful, with no complications.

I hope this helps - let me know if you need more assistance.

[jbrubaker]

David,

I have followed the same pattern, and get through step 10. at step 11 I get the message "Insert bootable media" after the repost.

I can get through step 11 if I leave the Windows CD in the CD drive, but if the XP (SP1) disk is not in the dirve I get the error message above.

Thanks for the help.

I am beginning to think it may be an issue with the Samsung Hard drives.

[David Hollway [MVP]]

"jbrubaker" > wrote in message
...
> David,
>
> I have followed the same pattern, and get through step 10. at step 11 I
get the message "Insert bootable media" after the repost.
>
> I can get through step 11 if I leave the Windows CD in the CD drive, but
if the XP (SP1) disk is not in the dirve I get the error message above.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> I am beginning to think it may be an issue with the Samsung Hard drives.

Hi,

On the Boot page of the BIOS setup, under Boot Device Priority, check that
the Hard Drive is listed as a boot device.
On the Boot -> Hard Drives page of the BIOS (this wording is from memory, I
no longer have the board in front of me) check that the HDD is listed. If
you have more than one hard drive installed, check that the Samsung S-ATA
drive is first in the list.

Does this help?

[cquirke (MVP Win9x)]

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:21:05 -0800, jbrubaker

>Anyone out there find the trick for this?

>Copies the files, reboots, and then askd for bootable media. As long as an XP
>or 2000 CD is in the drive, it will boot and run fine.

>Know it is an MBR issue, but not sure where to go. Intel P4 wit Intel motherboard,
>Intel blames XP, Microsoft blames the hard drive manufacturer.
>Have tried mutiple drives, and seems to be same issue ith all drive.
>Have updated BIOS as well

Layers to this:

1) Make sure BIOS/CMOS "knows" the correct xIDE

In the bowels of CMOS setup will be somewhere where the relationship
between UIDE, S-ATA and RAID is established. You are wanting to boot
off a single non-RAID'd S-ATA, so you must ensure that what BIOS sees
as the "primary IDE channel" is your S-ATA in non-RAID mode.

Make sure you get this right *before* you install XP, and make sure no
USB flash drives or disks in Zip drives etc. are present at install
time - else you can end up with the HD appearing on a higher letter
while the USB or Zip disk may appear as "C:".

2) Make sure your primary partition is set as active

If the active flag is not set in the partition table, the primary will
not be seen as bootable. This can give your mileage, where a CD boot
can find and boot the HD instead, but BIOS can't.

3) Make sure any "special" drivers are in place at the NTLDR level

I don't think this will be an issue with S-ATA, when this is operated
as a non-RAID controller native to an Intel chipset motherboard.

HTH



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[David Hollway [MVP]]

"David Hollway [MVP]" > wrote in
message ...
> On the Boot page of the BIOS setup, under Boot Device Priority, check that
> the Hard Drive is listed as a boot device.
> On the Boot -> Hard Drives page of the BIOS (this wording is from memory,
I
> no longer have the board in front of me) check that the HDD is listed. If
> you have more than one hard drive installed, check that the Samsung S-ATA
> drive is first in the list.


Jbrubaker,

Did this work? I'd like to know whether you were successful in getting XP to
install.