reinstall XP

[Don H.]

I would like to reinstall windows xp pro (clean install).
At present I have a 80 GB drive partitioned into two 40
GB drives. I would like to install XP into a 10GB
partition and leave the other 70 for apps and data.
Can I recombine the two drives before the reinstall or
will I be given the option during the reinstall to delete
ALL the drives and repartition as I please

[Ian Clark]

"Don H." > wrote in message news:04a101c314b7$82f60dc0

> Can I recombine the two drives before the reinstall


Yes, from the setup menus


> will I be given the option during the reinstall to delete
> ALL the drives and repartition as I please


Yes, same thing as above in effect.

[Thorsten Matzner]

"Don H." > wrote:

>I would like to reinstall windows xp pro (clean install).
>At present I have a 80 GB drive partitioned into two 40
>GB drives. I would like to install XP into a 10GB
>partition and leave the other 70 for apps and data.
>Can I recombine the two drives before the reinstall or
>will I be given the option during the reinstall to delete
>ALL the drives and repartition as I please

Backup your data and then boot from a Windows 98 boot disk (you can
download one from www.bootdisk.com). Remove all the partitions with
FDISK and then insert the Windows XP-CD and restart your computer.
Make sure that it boots from the CD. If this is not possible, boot
from the boot disk again and run the Windows Setup manually. You will
be prompted for how you want to setup the disk during the
installation.
"How to Start Windows XP Setup from MS-DOS"
(http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=307848)

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[Ian Clark]

"Thorsten Matzner" > wrote in message
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> Backup your data and then boot from a Windows 98 boot disk (you can
> download one from www.bootdisk.com). Remove all the partitions with
> FDISK and then insert the Windows XP-CD and restart your computer.
> Make sure that it boots from the CD. If this is not possible, boot
> from the boot disk again and run the Windows Setup manually. You will
> be prompted for how you want to setup the disk during the
> installation.
> "How to Start Windows XP Setup from MS-DOS"
> (http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=307848)
>
> --


Why the hell would he need to do all that???
He wants to consolidate his two partitions and recreate them in a different
configuration!

Put XP Cd in and switch computer on.
Let system start setup procedure.
When asked, choose option to delete partitions
Once done, Press C to create partitions
Decide what size you want i.e 10gb for OS and the rest for data.
***Note that on an 80gb drive you'll actually lose about 4 or 5Gb as hard
disks see 1Gb as 1000Kb.

Proceed and when asked, choose file system and perform a quick format on the
primary PS partition.

Once Windows is installed, R/Click on My Computer, Manage, Disk Management,
Format 70Gb partition (quick)

You shouldn't need to even bother with a Windows 98 boot disk.. Especially
if he wanted NTFS (which of course we don't know)

[Antonio Meza]

you Tell him that was a very dumb suggestion


"Ian Clark" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Thorsten Matzner" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > Backup your data and then boot from a Windows 98 boot disk (you can
> > download one from www.bootdisk.com). Remove all the partitions with
> > FDISK and then insert the Windows XP-CD and restart your computer.
> > Make sure that it boots from the CD. If this is not possible, boot
> > from the boot disk again and run the Windows Setup manually. You will
> > be prompted for how you want to setup the disk during the
> > installation.
> > "How to Start Windows XP Setup from MS-DOS"
> > (http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=307848)
> >
> > --
>
>
> Why the hell would he need to do all that???
> He wants to consolidate his two partitions and recreate them in a
different
> configuration!
>
> Put XP Cd in and switch computer on.
> Let system start setup procedure.
> When asked, choose option to delete partitions
> Once done, Press C to create partitions
> Decide what size you want i.e 10gb for OS and the rest for data.
> ***Note that on an 80gb drive you'll actually lose about 4 or 5Gb as hard
> disks see 1Gb as 1000Kb.
>
> Proceed and when asked, choose file system and perform a quick format on
the
> primary PS partition.
>
> Once Windows is installed, R/Click on My Computer, Manage, Disk
Management,
> Format 70Gb partition (quick)
>
> You shouldn't need to even bother with a Windows 98 boot disk..
Especially
> if he wanted NTFS (which of course we don't know)
>
>

[Ian Clark]

"Antonio Meza" > wrote in message
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> you Tell him that was a very dumb suggestion
>


I'd love to know who your reply is meant for and if it was for me, why you
replied?

[Ian Clark]

"Antonio Meza" > wrote in message
...
> you Tell him that was a very dumb suggestion
>


Seeing as you top posted, who was your reply meant for, and what did it
mean? I couldn't make any sense of it.

[Jon]

"Ian Clark" > wrote in message =
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> "Antonio Meza" > wrote in message
> ...
> > you Tell him that was a very dumb suggestion
> >
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> Seeing as you top posted, who was your reply meant for, and what did =
it
> mean? I couldn't make any sense of it.
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>=20

If you know how to read NG (if someone has their newsreader to reply =
with indents), you can tell by the indents, the order of the replies. It =
was easy enough for me.=20

Thorsten gave fairly generic advice, and not enough detail. "you" gave =
the proper instruction, especially since TM didn't specify that, using =
FDISK (in the way he stated), one HAS TO recreate the partitions with =
the boot disk for XP to format/install on a partition(s).

[Amethyst]

Don H. wrote:
> I would like to reinstall windows xp pro (clean install).
> At present I have a 80 GB drive partitioned into two 40
> GB drives. I would like to install XP into a 10GB
> partition and leave the other 70 for apps and data.
> Can I recombine the two drives before the reinstall or
> will I be given the option during the reinstall to delete
> ALL the drives and repartition as I please

Slight correction, Don. You have a 74GB drive partitioned into two 37GB
drives. If you take away 10 for XP you will have 64GB left. Don't believe
me? Take a look at the partition properties.

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"Jon" > wrote in message
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If you know how to read NG (if someone has their newsreader to reply with
indents), you can tell by the indents, the order of the replies. It was easy
enough for me.

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:o) To be honest, I rarely take note of how NG's are to be read. His message
just seemed to be out of logical order. Needless to say his reply still
didn't make sense :o)

Appeciate your points however .

Regards
Ian

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"Jon" > wrote in message
...


If you know how to read NG (if someone has their newsreader to reply with
indents), you can tell by the indents, the order of the replies. It was easy
enough for me.

---

To be honest, I rarely take note of how NG's are to be read. His message
just seemed to be out of logical order, being posted above the orignal and
my reply. Needless to say his reply still didn't make sense wherever it was
posted :o)

Appeciate your points however .

Regards
Ian

[Jon]

"Ian Clark" > wrote in message =
...
>=20
> "Jon" > wrote in message
> ...
>=20
>=20
> If you know how to read NG (if someone has their newsreader to reply =
with
> indents), you can tell by the indents, the order of the replies. It =
was easy
> enough for me.
>=20
> ---
>=20
> :o) To be honest, I rarely take note of how NG's are to be read. His =
message
> just seemed to be out of logical order. Needless to say his reply =
still
> didn't make sense :o)
>=20
> Appeciate your points however .
>=20
> Regards
> Ian

LOL,

It will make sense if you read the thread; read TM's advice on what to =
do, then the reply from "you", and you'll understand, but if it isn't =
important to you to take note of how to read an NG, then you will find =
no sense sometimes :-).

[Ian Clark]

"Amethyst" > wrote in message

> Slight correction, Don. You have a 74GB drive partitioned into two 37GB
> drives. If you take away 10 for XP you will have 64GB left. Don't believe
> me? Take a look at the partition properties.


An explanation for Don:

Hard disk manufacturers define 1gb = 1000000KB
operating systems define 1 gb = 1024 x 1024 = 1048576 KB

Hence an 80GB hard disk, will have a real world capacity of 80*
(1000000/1048576) = 76.3GB

Use the multiplier (0.95367431640) to find out the formatted
capacity of your hard disk.

60GB hard disk = 60 * 0.95367431640 = 57.2GB
80GB hard disk = 80 * 0.95367431640 = 76.3GB
200GB hard disk = 200 * 0.95367431640 = 190.7GB

You may lose more due to formatting, bad sectors etc..

[Ian Clark]

"Amethyst" > wrote in message

> Slight correction, Don. You have a 74GB drive partitioned into two 37GB
> drives. If you take away 10 for XP you will have 64GB left. Don't believe
> me? Take a look at the partition properties.

Indeed

An explanation for Don:

Hard disk manufacturers define 1gb = 1000000KB
operating systems define 1 gb = 1024 x 1024 = 1048576 KB

Hence an 80GB hard disk, will have a real world capacity of 80*
(1000000/1048576) = 76.3GB

Use the multiplier (0.95367431640) to find out the formatted
capacity of your hard disk.

60GB hard disk = 60 * 0.95367431640 = 57.2GB
80GB hard disk = 80 * 0.95367431640 = 76.3GB
200GB hard disk = 200 * 0.95367431640 = 190.7GB

You may lose more due to formatting, bad sectors etc, cluster sizes. A
friend of mine gets just over 74Gb out of an 80Gb drive

[Jon]

"Ian Clark" > wrote in message =
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> You may lose more due to formatting, bad sectors etc, cluster sizes. A
> friend of mine gets just over 74Gb out of an 80Gb drive

Umm,

How does formatting change the size of the physical drive? Formatting =
doesn't decrease this, and I have formatted many times to get the same =
size again. Also, cluster sizes have nothing to do with that either =
(unless you are confusing slack caused by FAT partitions). Clusters, no =
matter their size still fit on a partition and the partition is still =
that size. Maybe you want to explain that better.

[Ian Clark]

"Jon" > wrote in message
...

"Ian Clark" > wrote in message
...

> You may lose more due to formatting, bad sectors etc, cluster sizes. A
> friend of mine gets just over 74Gb out of an 80Gb drive

Umm,

How does formatting change the size of the physical drive? Formatting
doesn't decrease this, and I have formatted many times to get the same size
again. Also, cluster sizes have nothing to do with that either (unless you
are confusing slack caused by FAT partitions). Clusters, no matter their
size still fit on a partition and the partition is still that size. Maybe
you want to explain that better.


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Only reason I mentioned the formatting is that for each formatted disk I
have (NTFS), Immediately after formatting, if I right click and choose
properties, there are no files and 1 folder (which is the System Volume
Information folder = 0 bytes), yet approx. 64Mb is taken upby something.

Admittedly I'm not sure what is taking up this space myself. Sys. Restore is
not turned on for the drive and the Page file is set to another drive.

I'd be grateful for any suggestions from yourself. (Not purporting to be an
expert, trying to help with the expectation of correction by others :o),
Constructive critisism is useful and welcomed)

[Jon]

"Ian Clark" > wrote in message =
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> Only reason I mentioned the formatting is that for each formatted disk =
I
> have (NTFS), Immediately after formatting, if I right click and choose
> properties, there are no files and 1 folder (which is the System =
Volume
> Information folder =3D 0 bytes), yet approx. 64Mb is taken upby =
something.
>=20
> Admittedly I'm not sure what is taking up this space myself. Sys. =
Restore is
> not turned on for the drive and the Page file is set to another drive.
>=20
> I'd be grateful for any suggestions from yourself. (Not purporting to =
be an
> expert, trying to help with the expectation of correction by others =
:o),
> Constructive critisism is useful and welcomed)
>=20

Don't mean to be overly critical, but we all learn from each other here =
in this way. I'd have to sat that 64MBs is a fairly good size. Is your =
install disk OEM, with certain drivers, files that are needed for your =
particular build? The only thing I get is the typical 8MB reserved space =
at the beginning of the drive that XP takes upon the initial install.=20

As far as clusters go, NTFS file format uses 4k clusters, regardless of =
the partition size, whereas FAT32 uses incremental increases accordingly =
to larger partitions. This can cause a lot of wasted disk space, =
especially on drives over 16gigs (gets really nasty over 32gigs). Do you =
have a FAT32 file system?

[Ian Clark]

"Jon" > wrote in message
...


Don't mean to be overly critical, but we all learn from each other here in
this way. I'd have to sat that 64MBs is a fairly good size. Is your install
disk OEM, with certain drivers, files that are needed for your particular
build? The only thing I get is the typical 8MB reserved space at the
beginning of the drive that XP takes upon the initial install.

As far as clusters go, NTFS file format uses 4k clusters, regardless of the
partition size, whereas FAT32 uses incremental increases accordingly to
larger partitions. This can cause a lot of wasted disk space, especially on
drives over 16gigs (gets really nasty over 32gigs). Do you have a FAT32 file
system?

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Yeah, my whole PC is self built and my OS is installed from a standard XP
Pro disc. I have two 60Gb Maxtors in RAID 0 and one 40Gb WD on standard IDE.

All disks are in NTFS. The 40Gb disks partition was created in Disk
Management and Formatted there as well, using Default cluster size. After
the format when the disk is totally clean, it's at this point when I right
click and hit properties I get the normal capacity etc.. and used space is
64Mb (got 37Gb of Data on it at the moment lol so can't really format it
again to check)

[Michael Stevens]

Don H. wrote:
> I would like to reinstall windows xp pro (clean install).
> At present I have a 80 GB drive partitioned into two 40
> GB drives. I would like to install XP into a 10GB
> partition and leave the other 70 for apps and data.
> Can I recombine the two drives before the reinstall or
> will I be given the option during the reinstall to delete
> ALL the drives and repartition as I please

Delete both partitions during setup, create the 10 gig partition for XP and
leave the rest empty. After XP is setup, you can partition and format from
Computer Management> Disk Management.
See the link below for a step by step for Clean installing XP.
http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html
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Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP

http://michaelstevenstech.com

[Alex Nichol]

Michael Stevens wrote:

>
>Delete both partitions during setup, create the 10 gig partition for XP and
>leave the rest empty. After XP is setup, you can partition and format from
>Computer Management> Disk Management.

As there have been some rather off beat suggestions as well, I will just
agree with Michael, and add one point - when it comes to the place where
you are asked to confirm where to install, hit ESC. You can then select
and delete partitions and then make that new 'RAW' one to format at the
next stage


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Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows - File Systems)
Bournemouth, U.K.