Re: Firewall

[Mazen]

If you will not be online for a long period of time and
you are not planning on visiting some questionable
websites it probably is OK not to use the firewall. If you
leave your dialup connection on for hours/days it would be
better to have the firewall up! I did have multiple
attacks blocked while I was using my dialup connection in
the past!

Mazen
>-----Original Message-----
>In article >,

>says...
>> Hello folks,
>> I am relatively new to the computer usage. I have heard
>> however that if you have a dial-up service, it is not
>> necessary to have a firewall. Can any of you dispell
that
>> as a myth, or not? I have had some problems with my
>> firewall and have disabled it because I was told since
I
>> have dial-up, I dont need it. Please let me know what I
>> should do.
>> Thanks
>>
>I never used one when I had dialup.
>.
>

[Mazen]

If you will not be online for a long period of time and
you are not planning on visiting some questionable
websites it probably is OK not to use the firewall. If you
leave your dialup connection on for hours/days it would be
better to have the firewall up! I did have multiple
attacks blocked while I was using my dialup connection in
the past!

Mazen
>-----Original Message-----
>In article >,

>says...
>> Hello folks,
>> I am relatively new to the computer usage. I have heard
>> however that if you have a dial-up service, it is not
>> necessary to have a firewall. Can any of you dispell
that
>> as a myth, or not? I have had some problems with my
>> firewall and have disabled it because I was told since
I
>> have dial-up, I dont need it. Please let me know what I
>> should do.
>> Thanks
>>
>I never used one when I had dialup.
>.
>

[Bruce Foor]

Hi Dave while it is not a real necessity to have one installed for a dailup
as you are assigned a new ip address everytime you logon. I agree with the
others if you are going to be on for long periods of time it wouldn't hurt
there are plenty of free ones available at the usual d/l sites. HTH

Bruce Foor
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/

"Dave" > wrote in message
...
> Hello folks,
> I am relatively new to the computer usage. I have heard
> however that if you have a dial-up service, it is not
> necessary to have a firewall. Can any of you dispell that
> as a myth, or not? I have had some problems with my
> firewall and have disabled it because I was told since I
> have dial-up, I dont need it. Please let me know what I
> should do.
> Thanks

[Bruce Foor]

Hi Dave while it is not a real necessity to have one installed for a dailup
as you are assigned a new ip address everytime you logon. I agree with the
others if you are going to be on for long periods of time it wouldn't hurt
there are plenty of free ones available at the usual d/l sites. HTH

Bruce Foor
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/

"Dave" > wrote in message
...
> Hello folks,
> I am relatively new to the computer usage. I have heard
> however that if you have a dial-up service, it is not
> necessary to have a firewall. Can any of you dispell that
> as a myth, or not? I have had some problems with my
> firewall and have disabled it because I was told since I
> have dial-up, I dont need it. Please let me know what I
> should do.
> Thanks

[Jim Macklin]

A firewall acts as an on/off switch...it will not slow down
your connection. Since XP has 1/2 a firewall and Zone Alarm
is free, why not use one or the other.
Running your AV all the time does slow you down just a bit,
but you'll be much slower with the viruses, Trojans and
worms if you leave yourself open.

If you are on a major ISP dial-up, or on any broadband
(cable or DSL) you'll be probed regularly. The hackers look
at all IP addresses with auto-programs. If you are on some
backroom ISP you might be skipped by the hackers, but that
ISP probably has no active or current anti-virus running and
may have an un-patched server with dozens of hackers
"living" inside.


"Fred" > wrote in message
...
| Yes, I still use dialup it's all I can afford, but yes I
run a
| firewall and it reports several attempts to probe ports
per hour
| everyday, also keep my AV program running.
|
|
| On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 19:35:11 -0600, "Bruce Chambers"
| > wrote:
|
| >Greetings --
| >
| > Back when I was using a dial-up connection, my
firewall reported
| >several attempts to probe my ports per hour. In today's
environment,
| >only a fool would go on-line, regardless of connection
type, without
| >both a reliable firewall and a good antivirus
application.
| >
| >Bruce Chambers
| >
| >Help us help you:
| >http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| >http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
| >----
| >You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever
count on
| >having both at once. -- RAH
| >
| >
| >"Dave" > wrote in message
| ...
| >> Hello folks,
| >> I am relatively new to the computer usage. I have heard
| >> however that if you have a dial-up service, it is not
| >> necessary to have a firewall. Can any of you dispell
that
| >> as a myth, or not? I have had some problems with my
| >> firewall and have disabled it because I was told since
I
| >> have dial-up, I dont need it. Please let me know what I
| >> should do.
| >> Thanks
| >
|

[Jim Macklin]

A firewall acts as an on/off switch...it will not slow down
your connection. Since XP has 1/2 a firewall and Zone Alarm
is free, why not use one or the other.
Running your AV all the time does slow you down just a bit,
but you'll be much slower with the viruses, Trojans and
worms if you leave yourself open.

If you are on a major ISP dial-up, or on any broadband
(cable or DSL) you'll be probed regularly. The hackers look
at all IP addresses with auto-programs. If you are on some
backroom ISP you might be skipped by the hackers, but that
ISP probably has no active or current anti-virus running and
may have an un-patched server with dozens of hackers
"living" inside.


"Fred" > wrote in message
...
| Yes, I still use dialup it's all I can afford, but yes I
run a
| firewall and it reports several attempts to probe ports
per hour
| everyday, also keep my AV program running.
|
|
| On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 19:35:11 -0600, "Bruce Chambers"
| > wrote:
|
| >Greetings --
| >
| > Back when I was using a dial-up connection, my
firewall reported
| >several attempts to probe my ports per hour. In today's
environment,
| >only a fool would go on-line, regardless of connection
type, without
| >both a reliable firewall and a good antivirus
application.
| >
| >Bruce Chambers
| >
| >Help us help you:
| >http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| >http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
| >----
| >You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever
count on
| >having both at once. -- RAH
| >
| >
| >"Dave" > wrote in message
| ...
| >> Hello folks,
| >> I am relatively new to the computer usage. I have heard
| >> however that if you have a dial-up service, it is not
| >> necessary to have a firewall. Can any of you dispell
that
| >> as a myth, or not? I have had some problems with my
| >> firewall and have disabled it because I was told since
I
| >> have dial-up, I dont need it. Please let me know what I
| >> should do.
| >> Thanks
| >
|

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

Very few, compared to the number of problems caused by the lack of
their use.

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
----
You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH


"Unknown" > wrote in message
om...
> On the contrary A good reason NOT to have that junk is to eliminate
> all the
> problems caused by them. How many responses to these newsgroups have
> you
> made due to some virus checker or other 'available protection'?

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

Very few, compared to the number of problems caused by the lack of
their use.

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
----
You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH


"Unknown" > wrote in message
om...
> On the contrary A good reason NOT to have that junk is to eliminate
> all the
> problems caused by them. How many responses to these newsgroups have
> you
> made due to some virus checker or other 'available protection'?

[Unknown]

Yes, the net would have fewer problems but users would have a great deal
more.
"Bernie" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Unknown" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Both you and Ken are a little paranoic. Why scare people? I've never
used
> a
> > firewall and always have had dial up.
>
> Another good reason to have a firewalls is to block outbound applications
> that you don't want accessing the net. If you did happen to download a
> trojan and install it a good firewall would alert you immediately of an
> outbound communication.
> Visit this site.
> http://www.pcflank.com/fw_rules_db.htm
> It gives firewall ruleset on what one should allow and disallow for most
> commonly used net enabled applications.
> http://www.pcflank.com/fw_rules_for_app.htm?appid=60
> Above is an example of firewall ruleset for Microsoft Net Meeting.
> It's not paranoia it's called securing your system.
> The net would have fewer problems if people would secure their systems
from
> worms/trojans such as Back Orifice, Code Red, Slapper, KlezH, IRC DDOS
Bot's
> etc.
> Bernie
>
>

[Unknown]

Yes, the net would have fewer problems but users would have a great deal
more.
"Bernie" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Unknown" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Both you and Ken are a little paranoic. Why scare people? I've never
used
> a
> > firewall and always have had dial up.
>
> Another good reason to have a firewalls is to block outbound applications
> that you don't want accessing the net. If you did happen to download a
> trojan and install it a good firewall would alert you immediately of an
> outbound communication.
> Visit this site.
> http://www.pcflank.com/fw_rules_db.htm
> It gives firewall ruleset on what one should allow and disallow for most
> commonly used net enabled applications.
> http://www.pcflank.com/fw_rules_for_app.htm?appid=60
> Above is an example of firewall ruleset for Microsoft Net Meeting.
> It's not paranoia it's called securing your system.
> The net would have fewer problems if people would secure their systems
from
> worms/trojans such as Back Orifice, Code Red, Slapper, KlezH, IRC DDOS
Bot's
> etc.
> Bernie
>
>

[Jim Macklin]

a computer with one Internet connection has over 65,000 open
ports.


"Unknown" > wrote in message
om...
| The only possible port on my system is the dial-up ISP.
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
| ...
| > You don't understand how hacking works, they find an
open
| > port, send a message with code that will run itself.
| >
| >
| > "Unknown" > wrote in message
| > . com...
| > | They can't get in unless you open their messages,
| > attachments or whatever.
| > | "Jim Macklin" > wrote in
message
| > | ...
| > | > Once they get in, they can have your computer call
| > | > theirs...once you are infected and hacked you are
their
| > | > puppet.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > "Fred" > wrote in message
| > | > ...
| > | > | On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 07:18:56 -0700, "Dave"
| > | > >
| > | > | wrote:
| > | > |
| > | > | >Hello folks,
| > | > | >I am relatively new to the computer usage. I have
| > heard
| > | > | >however that if you have a dial-up service, it is
not
| > | > | >necessary to have a firewall. Can any of you
dispell
| > that
| > | > | >as a myth, or not? I have had some problems with
my
| > | > | >firewall and have disabled it because I was told
| > since I
| > | > | >have dial-up, I dont need it. Please let me know
what
| > I
| > | > | >should do.
| > | > | >Thanks
| > | > |
| > | > | Whoever told you that (let me guess, your ISP?)
was an
| > | > idiot.
| > | > |
| > | > | The only advantage of dial up is you typically get
a
| > new
| > | > IP address
| > | > | every time you log on. However, if you are on for
an
| > | > extended time,
| > | > | anyone who happens upon your system can continue
to
| > attack
| > | > it until
| > | > | you get off. They can also make a note of your
| > system,
| > | > and attempt to
| > | > | find it another day, although this is difficult at
| > best.
| > | > |
| > | > | Point is, anytime you are connected to a public
| > network
| > | > you are at
| > | > | risk.
| > | > |
| > | > | What can you do? Easy. Zone Alarm. It is the
only
| > | > firewall I know
| > | > | of that really works. I have heard of other
| > | > recommendations, but
| > | > | until I see the test results ...
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

[Jim Macklin]

a computer with one Internet connection has over 65,000 open
ports.


"Unknown" > wrote in message
om...
| The only possible port on my system is the dial-up ISP.
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
| ...
| > You don't understand how hacking works, they find an
open
| > port, send a message with code that will run itself.
| >
| >
| > "Unknown" > wrote in message
| > . com...
| > | They can't get in unless you open their messages,
| > attachments or whatever.
| > | "Jim Macklin" > wrote in
message
| > | ...
| > | > Once they get in, they can have your computer call
| > | > theirs...once you are infected and hacked you are
their
| > | > puppet.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > "Fred" > wrote in message
| > | > ...
| > | > | On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 07:18:56 -0700, "Dave"
| > | > >
| > | > | wrote:
| > | > |
| > | > | >Hello folks,
| > | > | >I am relatively new to the computer usage. I have
| > heard
| > | > | >however that if you have a dial-up service, it is
not
| > | > | >necessary to have a firewall. Can any of you
dispell
| > that
| > | > | >as a myth, or not? I have had some problems with
my
| > | > | >firewall and have disabled it because I was told
| > since I
| > | > | >have dial-up, I dont need it. Please let me know
what
| > I
| > | > | >should do.
| > | > | >Thanks
| > | > |
| > | > | Whoever told you that (let me guess, your ISP?)
was an
| > | > idiot.
| > | > |
| > | > | The only advantage of dial up is you typically get
a
| > new
| > | > IP address
| > | > | every time you log on. However, if you are on for
an
| > | > extended time,
| > | > | anyone who happens upon your system can continue
to
| > attack
| > | > it until
| > | > | you get off. They can also make a note of your
| > system,
| > | > and attempt to
| > | > | find it another day, although this is difficult at
| > best.
| > | > |
| > | > | Point is, anytime you are connected to a public
| > network
| > | > you are at
| > | > | risk.
| > | > |
| > | > | What can you do? Easy. Zone Alarm. It is the
only
| > | > firewall I know
| > | > | of that really works. I have heard of other
| > | > recommendations, but
| > | > | until I see the test results ...
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

[Jim Macklin]

No, but is then like wearing two belts.


"DAN V" > wrote in message
...
| If I install a separate firewall such as the free zone
alarm, do I need to
| disable the XP firewall?
|
|

[Jim Macklin]

No, but is then like wearing two belts.


"DAN V" > wrote in message
...
| If I install a separate firewall such as the free zone
alarm, do I need to
| disable the XP firewall?
|
|

[Unknown]

The only possible port on my system is the dial-up ISP.
"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
...
> You don't understand how hacking works, they find an open
> port, send a message with code that will run itself.
>
>
> "Unknown" > wrote in message
> . com...
> | They can't get in unless you open their messages,
> attachments or whatever.
> | "Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
> | ...
> | > Once they get in, they can have your computer call
> | > theirs...once you are infected and hacked you are their
> | > puppet.
> | >
> | >
> | > "Fred" > wrote in message
> | > ...
> | > | On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 07:18:56 -0700, "Dave"
> | > >
> | > | wrote:
> | > |
> | > | >Hello folks,
> | > | >I am relatively new to the computer usage. I have
> heard
> | > | >however that if you have a dial-up service, it is not
> | > | >necessary to have a firewall. Can any of you dispell
> that
> | > | >as a myth, or not? I have had some problems with my
> | > | >firewall and have disabled it because I was told
> since I
> | > | >have dial-up, I dont need it. Please let me know what
> I
> | > | >should do.
> | > | >Thanks
> | > |
> | > | Whoever told you that (let me guess, your ISP?) was an
> | > idiot.
> | > |
> | > | The only advantage of dial up is you typically get a
> new
> | > IP address
> | > | every time you log on. However, if you are on for an
> | > extended time,
> | > | anyone who happens upon your system can continue to
> attack
> | > it until
> | > | you get off. They can also make a note of your
> system,
> | > and attempt to
> | > | find it another day, although this is difficult at
> best.
> | > |
> | > | Point is, anytime you are connected to a public
> network
> | > you are at
> | > | risk.
> | > |
> | > | What can you do? Easy. Zone Alarm. It is the only
> | > firewall I know
> | > | of that really works. I have heard of other
> | > recommendations, but
> | > | until I see the test results ...
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
>
>

[Unknown]

The only possible port on my system is the dial-up ISP.
"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
...
> You don't understand how hacking works, they find an open
> port, send a message with code that will run itself.
>
>
> "Unknown" > wrote in message
> . com...
> | They can't get in unless you open their messages,
> attachments or whatever.
> | "Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
> | ...
> | > Once they get in, they can have your computer call
> | > theirs...once you are infected and hacked you are their
> | > puppet.
> | >
> | >
> | > "Fred" > wrote in message
> | > ...
> | > | On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 07:18:56 -0700, "Dave"
> | > >
> | > | wrote:
> | > |
> | > | >Hello folks,
> | > | >I am relatively new to the computer usage. I have
> heard
> | > | >however that if you have a dial-up service, it is not
> | > | >necessary to have a firewall. Can any of you dispell
> that
> | > | >as a myth, or not? I have had some problems with my
> | > | >firewall and have disabled it because I was told
> since I
> | > | >have dial-up, I dont need it. Please let me know what
> I
> | > | >should do.
> | > | >Thanks
> | > |
> | > | Whoever told you that (let me guess, your ISP?) was an
> | > idiot.
> | > |
> | > | The only advantage of dial up is you typically get a
> new
> | > IP address
> | > | every time you log on. However, if you are on for an
> | > extended time,
> | > | anyone who happens upon your system can continue to
> attack
> | > it until
> | > | you get off. They can also make a note of your
> system,
> | > and attempt to
> | > | find it another day, although this is difficult at
> best.
> | > |
> | > | Point is, anytime you are connected to a public
> network
> | > you are at
> | > | risk.
> | > |
> | > | What can you do? Easy. Zone Alarm. It is the only
> | > firewall I know
> | > | of that really works. I have heard of other
> | > recommendations, but
> | > | until I see the test results ...
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
>
>