Top Posting

[Robyn]

Ok, I'll ask again and maybe get a polite reply instead of Rifleman's
useless LOL?

What is top posting?
Yes I'm serious and yes I've read about newsgroup ettiquette.

Robyn

[Steve C. Ray]

Top posting is like I am doing, when the reply to a post is placed at the
top. Now scroll down to the bottom.

--
Steve C. Ray

"Robyn" > wrote in message
...
> Ok, I'll ask again and maybe get a polite reply instead of Rifleman's
> useless LOL?
>
> What is top posting?
> Yes I'm serious and yes I've read about newsgroup ettiquette.
>
> Robyn
>
>
This is bottom posting, Robyn. There are merits to both methods. Use
whichever you want.

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

"Top-posting" is placing the reply to an earlier post at the top,
as I've done. This is the default behavior of some news readers, such
as Outlook Express. Some people prefer top-posting, while others
prefer bottom-posting (as the term implies, placing replies _below_
the original message.)

While I think the issue is largely a matter of personal taste and
reading convenience, some people get quite fanatical about it,
claiming years of precedence for bottom-posting as the only "proper"
way to do it. It all reminds me of Jonathan Swift's "Gulliver's
Travels," and the wars between the Big-Endians and the Small-Endians
(iow, which end of a boiled egg should be broken first).

Bruce Chambers

--
Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH


"Robyn" > wrote in message
...
> Ok, I'll ask again and maybe get a polite reply instead of
Rifleman's
> useless LOL?
>
> What is top posting?
> Yes I'm serious and yes I've read about newsgroup ettiquette.
>
> Robyn
>
>

[Bubba]

I like the egg analogy. The answer is obvious however.."the other end" of
course!!!!!!!!!!!!

--

- Bubba


"Bruce Chambers" > wrote in message
...
> Greetings --
>
> "Top-posting" is placing the reply to an earlier post at the top,
> as I've done. This is the default behavior of some news readers, such
> as Outlook Express. Some people prefer top-posting, while others
> prefer bottom-posting (as the term implies, placing replies _below_
> the original message.)
>
> While I think the issue is largely a matter of personal taste and
> reading convenience, some people get quite fanatical about it,
> claiming years of precedence for bottom-posting as the only "proper"
> way to do it. It all reminds me of Jonathan Swift's "Gulliver's
> Travels," and the wars between the Big-Endians and the Small-Endians
> (iow, which end of a boiled egg should be broken first).
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> --
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
> having both at once. -- RAH
>
>
> "Robyn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Ok, I'll ask again and maybe get a polite reply instead of
> Rifleman's
> > useless LOL?
> >
> > What is top posting?
> > Yes I'm serious and yes I've read about newsgroup ettiquette.
> >
> > Robyn
> >
> >
>
>

[JAX]

Top posting is the default way in OE. I think it is the way it should be
done. I am "smart enough" to remember what the original post was. I have
blisters on my middle finger from scrolling down to see what the reply is
from those who bottom post. Sometimes, there is a 3Kb response that only has
only 3 words to say. Why go through all the dribble leading up to those 3
words. I top post out of consideration to others who care to read the
response, not re-read all the other thread in it's entirety.

JAX


"Robyn" > wrote in message
...
> Ok, I'll ask again and maybe get a polite reply instead of Rifleman's
> useless LOL?
>
> What is top posting?
> Yes I'm serious and yes I've read about newsgroup ettiquette.
>
> Robyn
>
>

[Rifleman]

"Robyn" > wrote in message
...
> Ok, I'll ask again and maybe get a polite reply instead of Rifleman's
> useless LOL?
>
> What is top posting?
> Yes I'm serious and yes I've read about newsgroup ettiquette.
>
> Robyn
>
>

I think you'll find I was replying to another poster, not you.

[Rifleman]

"JAX" > wrote in message
...
> Top posting is the default way in OE. I think it is the way it should be
> done. I am "smart enough" to remember what the original post was.

Well I've just downloaded this mornings new messages - *563*. Presumably you
can remember EACH one of those?

Sheeesh!

[Cerridwen]

JAX wrote:
> Top posting is the default way in OE. I think it is the way it should
> be done. I am "smart enough" to remember what the original post was.
> I have blisters on my middle finger from scrolling down to see what
> the reply is from those who bottom post. Sometimes, there is a 3Kb
> response that only has only 3 words to say. Why go through all the
> dribble leading up to those 3 words. I top post out of consideration
> to others who care to read the response, not re-read all the other
> thread in it's entirety.
>
> JAX

So you're completely incapable of snipping all but the salient message?!

[Cerridwen]

JAX wrote:
> Top posting is the default way in OE. I think it is the way it should
> be done. I am "smart enough" to remember what the original post was.
> I have blisters on my middle finger from scrolling down to see what
> the reply is from those who bottom post. Sometimes, there is a 3Kb
> response that only has only 3 words to say. Why go through all the
> dribble leading up to those 3 words. I top post out of consideration
> to others who care to read the response, not re-read all the other
> thread in it's entirety.
>
> JAX
>


To paraphrase Mr Spock "Top posting is illogical, Captain". Who answeres a
question /before/ it's asked?! Or, to put it another way; imagine a PC
magazine Q&A section - they don't print the questions before the answers -
there'd be an outcry if they did!

People who top-post are too lazy to snip, IMNSHO. And to say it's out of
"consideration" is complete ********, and you know it. People have to scroll
down to see what the original question was!

You're just too damned lazy to snip, admit it.

[mrtee]

In line.
__________in response to__________
"Cerridwen" > wrote in message =
...
|=20
| To paraphrase Mr Spock "Top posting is illogical, Captain". Who =
answeres a
| question /before/ it's asked?! Or, to put it another way; imagine a =
PC
| magazine Q&A section - they don't print the questions before the =
answers -
| there'd be an outcry if they did!

=BBAhh, but they DO print the question before the answer. What they =
don't do is reprint the question and the answer before another answer to =
the same question - wastes paper and ink.

| People who top-post are too lazy to snip, IMNSHO. And to say it's out =
of
| "consideration" is complete ********, and you know it. People have to =
scroll
| down to see what the original question was!

=BBOnly if you have "hide read messages" (like Rifleman)toggled on. If =
you have "show all messages" toggled on you can refer back to the =
question or answer.

| You're just too damned lazy to snip, admit it.

=BBI prefer top posting and do snip.

--=20
Just my 2=A2 worth
Jeff

[Rifleman]

"mrtee" > wrote in message
...
In line.

»Only if you have "hide read messages" (like Rifleman)toggled on. If you
have "show all messages" toggled on you can refer back to the question or
answer.


This group has well over *1,000* posts a day. Are you saying you keep ALL
these visible in your newsreader? You must be nuts.

[Cerridwen]

mrtee wrote:
> In line.
> __________in response to__________
> "Cerridwen" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> To paraphrase Mr Spock "Top posting is illogical, Captain". Who
>> answeres a question /before/ it's asked?! Or, to put it another
>> way; imagine a PC magazine Q&A section - they don't print the
>> questions before the answers - there'd be an outcry if they did!
>
> »Ahh, but they DO print the question before the answer. What they
> don't do is reprint the question and the answer before another answer
> to the same question - wastes paper and ink.
>
>> People who top-post are too lazy to snip, IMNSHO. And to say it's
>> out of "consideration" is complete ********, and you know it. People
>> have to scroll down to see what the original question was!
>
> »Only if you have "hide read messages" (like Rifleman)toggled on. If
> you have "show all messages" toggled on you can refer back to the
> question or answer.
>
>> You're just too damned lazy to snip, admit it.
>
> »I prefer top posting and do snip.

Is there an embarrassed smiley - I realised I'd goofed when I sent! <VRF>

[Cerridwen]

Rifleman wrote:
> "mrtee" > wrote in message
> ...
> In line.
>
> »Only if you have "hide read messages" (like Rifleman)toggled on. If
> you have "show all messages" toggled on you can refer back to the
> question or answer.
>
>
> This group has well over *1,000* posts a day. Are you saying you keep
> ALL these visible in your newsreader? You must be nuts.

They're Yanks...need I say more...? <eg>

[Bubba]

No dumbbell....can you? BTW are you following all 563? Of course not !!
Ever hear of a "Watch / Ignore filter"?

Your "example" is typical ....a shoot-from-the-hip response which truly
shows the utter futility of this whole thing.

Top posting is "The New Old Fashioned Way"

"We're here, we're queer. here's my rear, get used to it" !!!!!!




"Rifleman" > wrote in message
...
> "JAX" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Top posting is the default way in OE. I think it is the way it should be
> > done. I am "smart enough" to remember what the original post was.
>
> Well I've just downloaded this mornings new messages - *563*. Presumably
you
> can remember EACH one of those?
>
> Sheeesh!
>
>

[Bubba]

Why should anyone have to manicure anything? Just type your reply and move
on butthead....

--

- Bubba


"Cerridwen" > wrote in message
...
> JAX wrote:
> > Top posting is the default way in OE. I think it is the way it should
> > be done. I am "smart enough" to remember what the original post was.
> > I have blisters on my middle finger from scrolling down to see what
> > the reply is from those who bottom post. Sometimes, there is a 3Kb
> > response that only has only 3 words to say. Why go through all the
> > dribble leading up to those 3 words. I top post out of consideration
> > to others who care to read the response, not re-read all the other
> > thread in it's entirety.
> >
> > JAX
>
> So you're completely incapable of snipping all but the salient message?!
>
>

[Rifleman]

"Bubba" > wrote in message
...
> No dumbbell....can you? BTW are you following all 563?

Which is why I have my newsreader is set to UNREAD messages only, dummy.

[JAX]

I would have already read the OP. I am capable of maintaining continuity of
thought long enough to post my reply.

JAX

"Cerridwen" > wrote in message
...
> JAX wrote:
> > Top posting is the default way in OE. I think it is the way it should
> > be done. I am "smart enough" to remember what the original post was.
> > I have blisters on my middle finger from scrolling down to see what
> > the reply is from those who bottom post. Sometimes, there is a 3Kb
> > response that only has only 3 words to say. Why go through all the
> > dribble leading up to those 3 words. I top post out of consideration
> > to others who care to read the response, not re-read all the other
> > thread in it's entirety.
> >
> > JAX
> >
>
>
> To paraphrase Mr Spock "Top posting is illogical, Captain". Who answeres a
> question /before/ it's asked?! Or, to put it another way; imagine a PC
> magazine Q&A section - they don't print the questions before the answers -
> there'd be an outcry if they did!
>
> People who top-post are too lazy to snip, IMNSHO. And to say it's out of
> "consideration" is complete ********, and you know it. People have to
scroll
> down to see what the original question was!
>
> You're just too damned lazy to snip, admit it.
>
>

[Rich/rerat]

Many of us also have our newsreader set to "Group Messages as =
Conversations". So there is somewhat of an order for messages in a =
thread. Which makes reading messages that were made using "bottom =
posting" take up more time than it should.=20

Many people in this thread have mentioned that people can Edit the news =
messages, delete the old text from the original message and subsequent =
replies, and keep the thread "Lean & Mean". The problem for is that many =
don't. I have seen the size of a MS News Message in "TEXT" format grow =
from one kilobyte (1KB), to over a ten kilobyte (10kb) one. There is no =
need for that, especially when the bulk of the size for message is not =
even related to the "Subject Line:" of the original message/post. The =
problem is many people go "Off-topic", I would suggest if a person has =
no solution/suggestion for original poster or question for help, move on =
to the next message, and don't add to the thread.

And with "Top Posting", it is easier for the sender to write his/her =
reply to a previous message, followed by the 'text' of the message =
that's being replied to. Then the rest of the 'text' in the reply =
message can be highlighted, than deleted, to save bandwidth. =20

--=20
Add MS News Server to your OE with news://msnews.microsoft.com/

Rich/rerat

(RRR News) <message rule>

"Cerridwen" > wrote in message =
...
Rifleman wrote:
> "mrtee" > wrote in message
> ...
> In line.
>
<<Snipped to Save Bandwith>>

> This group has well over *1,000* posts a day. Are you saying you keep
> ALL these visible in your newsreader? You must be nuts.

They're Yanks...need I say more...? <eg>

[mrtee]

Well, I suppose, since you say so. =20

What difference does it make, I can see the entire thread that way and =
not just bits & pieces. =20

--=20
Just my 2=A2 worth
Jeff
__________in response to__________
"Rifleman" > wrote in message =
...
| This group has well over *1,000* posts a day. Are you saying you keep =
ALL
| these visible in your newsreader? You must be nuts.
|=20
|

[Box134]

Bruce Chambers top posts. How do you explain that? Whatever Bruce does is
good enough for me.

"Cerridwen" > wrote in message
...
>
> To paraphrase Mr Spock "Top posting is illogical, Captain". Who answeres a
> question /before/ it's asked?! Or, to put it another way; imagine a PC
> magazine Q&A section - they don't print the questions before the answers -
> there'd be an outcry if they did!
>

[Rifleman]

"Box134" > wrote in message
...
> Bruce Chambers top posts. How do you explain that? Whatever Bruce does is
> good enough for me.
>

Brown nose.

[Box134]

I've come to the conclusion that bottom-posting advocates have very short
memories, and therefore they are incapable of posting without first
re-reading every line of every post in the thread. And they always trot out
that specious answer/question thing. After all, isn't there a quiz show
where you have to provide a question for an answer? That should be case
closed!

"JAX" > wrote in message
...
> I would have already read the OP. I am capable of maintaining continuity
of
> thought long enough to post my reply.
>

[Rifleman]

"Box134" > wrote in message
...
> I've come to the conclusion that bottom-posting advocates have very short
> memories, and therefore they are incapable of posting without first
> re-reading every line of every post in the thread. And they always trot
out
> that specious answer/question thing. After all, isn't there a quiz show
> where you have to provide a question for an answer? That should be case
> closed!
>
> "JAX" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I would have already read the OP. I am capable of maintaining continuity
> of
> > thought long enough to post my reply.
> >
>
>
>

Read a book bottom up, do you?

[David Candy]

Most of us have newsreaders that thread. Use View menu - Current View - =
Group Messages By Conversation. Then you won't need to read the messages =
twice.

--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
"Rifleman" > wrote in message =
...
> "Box134" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I've come to the conclusion that bottom-posting advocates have very =
short
> > memories, and therefore they are incapable of posting without first
> > re-reading every line of every post in the thread. And they always =
trot
> out
> > that specious answer/question thing. After all, isn't there a quiz =
show
> > where you have to provide a question for an answer? That should be =
case
> > closed!
> >
> > "JAX" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I would have already read the OP. I am capable of maintaining =
continuity
> > of
> > > thought long enough to post my reply.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>=20
> Read a book bottom up, do you?
>=20
>=20

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

Actually, the reason I prefer reading top-posted responses is that
all too many (as in the overwhelming majority - somewhere in the
neighborhood of 90%, the last time I bothered to count) bottom-posters
are also "too lazy to snip." In the longer threads, scrolling down
through line upon line upon line of previously read material to find
only a four word response is simply too tedious and time consuming for
my taste.

But, as I said (or actually implied, really) to each his own.

Bruce Chambers

--
Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH


"Cerridwen" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> To paraphrase Mr Spock "Top posting is illogical, Captain". Who
answeres a
> question /before/ it's asked?! Or, to put it another way; imagine a
PC
> magazine Q&A section - they don't print the questions before the
answers -
> there'd be an outcry if they did!
>
> People who top-post are too lazy to snip, IMNSHO. And to say it's
out of
> "consideration" is complete ********, and you know it. People have
to scroll
> down to see what the original question was!
>
> You're just too damned lazy to snip, admit it.
>
>

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

Thanks, but I don't intend to be anyone's role model. ;-}

Bruce Chambers

--
Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH


"Box134" > wrote in message
...
> Bruce Chambers top posts. How do you explain that? Whatever Bruce
does is
> good enough for me.
>

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

And have you noticed how the "OP" hasn't responded to any of the
subsequent posts in this thread? Could it be that his/her sole intend
was to start a flame war, and we all fell for it?

Bruce Chambers

--
Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH


"Rifleman" > wrote in message
...
>
> I think you'll find I was replying to another poster, not you.
>
>

[Rifleman]

"David Candy" > wrote in message
...
Most of us have newsreaders that thread. Use View menu - Current View -
Group Messages By Conversation. Then you won't need to read the messages
twice.

So do I - read my headers. I still say - you don't read a book from the
bottom up.....and as this is a HIGH volume group, I DON'T display all the
read messages in one thread. Unfortunately OE doesn't have the capability,
unlike Netscape, Mozilla and Thunderbird, to display Threads with New
messages - it's either ALL messages or New messages only. Therefore, in a
HIGH volume group, you have to have a compromise view which where bottom
posting comes in as it means you can refresh your memory about the thread,
which may not be until the next day.

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

No and neither do you most likely.
However I do use a bookmark so I do not need to read all the
previously read chapters to find where I am at.
A book is not really a good comparison.
I prefer top since what is new is on top and easy to read.
IF I want to know more, I can scroll down.
Otherwise, I need do nothing since what I want is front and center on
the screen.

There are valid reasons for both, however top posting seems easier and
it is also that way by default for many users.
That alone is a good reason to top post in this forum.

Another observation by me:
Many of the die hard bottom posters I have seen really argue the point
referencing ancient history (technologically speaking) as a president.
These same people drive cars and fly airplanes instead of walk in
sandals and ride horses.
Times change, and many other things change also.

Post the way you like and prefer, there is no absolute standard that
states how you must post.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Rifleman" > wrote in message
...
> Read a book bottom up, do you?
>
>

[JAX]

Good point Bruce. It seems, I see the same issue about once a month, with
the same outcome.

Cheers, JAX

"Bruce Chambers" > wrote in message
...
> Greetings --
>
> And have you noticed how the "OP" hasn't responded to any of the
> subsequent posts in this thread? Could it be that his/her sole intend
> was to start a flame war, and we all fell for it?
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> --
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
> having both at once. -- RAH
>
>
> "Rifleman" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I think you'll find I was replying to another poster, not you.
> >
> >
>
>

[Rob]

"JAX" > wrote in message
...
> Good point Bruce. It seems, I see the same issue about once a month, with
> the same outcome.
>
> Cheers, JAX
>
> "Bruce Chambers" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Greetings --
> >
> > And have you noticed how the "OP" hasn't responded to any of the
> > subsequent posts in this thread? Could it be that his/her sole intend
> > was to start a flame war, and we all fell for it?
> >
> > Bruce Chambers
> >
> > --
> > Help us help you:
> > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> >
> > You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
> > having both at once. -- RAH
> >
> >
> > "Rifleman" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > I think you'll find I was replying to another poster, not you.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
The issue for me is when there is a mix of the two methods in the one
thread, it's too confusing, and I confuse easily.
Rob.

[JAX]

Hi Rob,

It is a matter of personal preference as to whether you "top post" or
"bottom post". I prefer top, others prefer bottom posting. I think it is
easier to follow the thread with top posting. As I mentioned, I remember
what the OP was, all I care to see is the responses to the OP, and not have
to scroll through up to 10 BM's or rhetoric to see a three word reply. This
post is an example, I have deleted all of the trailing posts in this
response.

JAX

"Rob" > wrote in message
...
>
> "JAX" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Good point Bruce. It seems, I see the same issue about once a month,
with
> > the same outcome.
> >
> > Cheers, JAX

[Robyn]

Ok, I'm back and NO I didn't intend starting this and after 2 days away from
my beloved pc got quite a shock to find all this discussion going on. (I'm a
"she" by the way).

I asked a question hoping to get one reply, not find about 30. Never did I
dream I would start such a commotion but thankyou to everyone for your
views - it was enjoyable reading, quite entertaining at times.

I realized my error in asking the question originally in reply to a post on
a different topic - Oohps, not meant to change the topic are we, so I posted
a fresh question as Rifleman's LOL did not answer my query (yes rifleman,
that was a reply to my reply/question, not to the original poster)

I had assumed "top posting" was starting at the top but thought I may have
it wrong when someone complained about it as personally I hate having to
scroll down through a heap of stuff I've already read in a previous thread.
However, when posting to a group I like to try and do what the readers
prefer - if they are kind enough to give me some of their own time to read a
question and answer it, let them read it how they want it.

Judging by the comments here, I think "top posting" wins so I will continue
to do this.

I am also in a time zone of GMT+10 so unless I want to get out of bed in the
middle of the night, I don't get your replies until you are all asleep in
bed.

My apologies for writing so much but I want you to understand I did not
start this intentionally.
Thanks Everyone
Robyn

"Bruce Chambers" > wrote in message
...
Greetings --

And have you noticed how the "OP" hasn't responded to any of the
subsequent posts in this thread? Could it be that his/her sole intend
was to start a flame war, and we all fell for it?

Bruce Chambers

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

Thanks for laying my concerns to rest; I do so dislike being
"taken in." I'm glad to hear that my suspicions were unfounded.

A search for knowledge should never be discouraged, and your goal
of adjusting to posting style to fit each specific news group is
laudable. Just remember that you'll never please everybody, and don't
take any unfavorable responses personally.


Bruce Chambers

--
Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH


"Robyn" > wrote in message
...
> Ok, I'm back and NO I didn't intend starting this and after 2 days
away from
> my beloved pc got quite a shock to find all this discussion going
on. (I'm a
> "she" by the way).
>
> I asked a question hoping to get one reply, not find about 30. Never
did I
> dream I would start such a commotion but thankyou to everyone for
your
> views - it was enjoyable reading, quite entertaining at times.
>
> I realized my error in asking the question originally in reply to a
post on
> a different topic - Oohps, not meant to change the topic are we, so
I posted
> a fresh question as Rifleman's LOL did not answer my query (yes
rifleman,
> that was a reply to my reply/question, not to the original poster)
>
> I had assumed "top posting" was starting at the top but thought I
may have
> it wrong when someone complained about it as personally I hate
having to
> scroll down through a heap of stuff I've already read in a previous
thread.
> However, when posting to a group I like to try and do what the
readers
> prefer - if they are kind enough to give me some of their own time
to read a
> question and answer it, let them read it how they want it.
>
> Judging by the comments here, I think "top posting" wins so I will
continue
> to do this.
>
> I am also in a time zone of GMT+10 so unless I want to get out of
bed in the
> middle of the night, I don't get your replies until you are all
asleep in
> bed.
>
> My apologies for writing so much but I want you to understand I did
not
> start this intentionally.
> Thanks Everyone
> Robyn
>

[JAX]

Way to go Robyn,

"Judging by the comments here, I think "top posting" wins so I will continue
to do this."

Yes, top posting is at the top.

"I don't get your replies until you are all asleep in bed."

Who said we all sleep in beds? (chiding)

Cheers, JAX


"Robyn" > wrote in message
...
> Ok, I'm back and NO I didn't intend starting this and after 2 days away
from
> my beloved pc got quite a shock to find all this discussion going on. (I'm
a
> "she" by the way).
>

[Box134]

Look up the word "specious," doofus.

"Rifleman" > wrote in message
...
>
> Read a book bottom up, do you?
>
>

[Box134]

Clever little boy aren't you? Get lost. This is where big people play.

You're too dense to understand humor aren't you?

"Rifleman" > wrote in message
...
> "Box134" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Bruce Chambers top posts. How do you explain that? Whatever Bruce does
is
> > good enough for me.
> >
>
> Brown nose.
>
>

[Rifleman]

"Box134" > wrote in message
...
> Clever little boy aren't you? Get lost. This is where big people play.
>
> You're too dense to understand humor aren't you?
>

I thought "humour" (note the spelling) was something you yanks didn't
understand.....

[Sharon F]

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:10:08 -0700, JAX wrote:

> I am "smart enough" to remember what the original post was. I have
> blisters on my middle finger from scrolling down to see what the reply is
> from those who bottom post.

Try your space bar when you run into those posts. Ctrl+End works too but
space bar is easier. And when reaching the end of a post, pressing space
bar again will also advance to the next unread message.

--
Sharon F
MS MVP - Windows XP Shell/User

[Sharon F]

On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:44:53 +1000, Robyn wrote:

> I asked a question hoping to get one reply, not find about 30. Never did I
> dream I would start such a commotion but thankyou to everyone for your
> views - it was enjoyable reading, quite entertaining at times.

TIP for Robyn: Once a thread moves into the discussion of top/bottom
posting -- it is guaranteed it will be lengthy one.
--
Sharon F
MS MVP - Windows XP Shell/User

[David]

"Cerridwen" > wrote in
:

>
> To paraphrase Mr Spock "Top posting is illogical, Captain". Who
> answeres a question /before/ it's asked?!

But, The question has been asked already. Otherwise, you won't be
posting a reply. Duh!

> People who top-post are too lazy to snip, IMNSHO. And to say it's out
> of "consideration" is complete ********, and you know it. People have
> to scroll down to see what the original question was!
>

If you missed the original post. Then YOU can scroll down to read it.
Why should we be forced to scroll through a post we've already read??
Especially, When as noted before, we have to scroll through 15kb or more
of repeated post to read a two or three word response.


--

David

Programmers write "Help Files" for a reason. use them.

"Due to Viewer dicretion...
Graphic violence is advised"

http://www.HeroicStories.com/
http://www.thisistrue.com/

[Robyn]

I promise I will never ask that question again :)
Robyn

"Sharon F" > wrote in message
...
On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:44:53 +1000, Robyn wrote:

> I asked a question hoping to get one reply, not find about 30. Never did I
> dream I would start such a commotion but thankyou to everyone for your
> views - it was enjoyable reading, quite entertaining at times.

TIP for Robyn: Once a thread moves into the discussion of top/bottom
posting -- it is guaranteed it will be lengthy one.
--
Sharon F
MS MVP - Windows XP Shell/User

[Kent W. England [MVP]]

Robyn wrote:
> Ok, I'll ask again and maybe get a polite reply instead of Rifleman's
> useless LOL?
>
> What is top posting?
> Yes I'm serious and yes I've read about newsgroup ettiquette.
>
Top posting or bottom posting doesn't matter as much as the effort you
force the reader to make to read useful content.

If you top post, make sure the part of the message you are replying to
is within decent scrolling distance by trimming the included quoted
text. If you bottom post, trim the quoted text heavily so that readers
can scroll easily to your reply.

The one thing people hate the most is scrolling three pages to read "me
too" as the useless reply. In my opinion if you are too lazy to trim,
you should top post.

There is a third option called "inline" where you embed your reply
inside the quoted text. This is most useful when you have replies to
multiple parts of the quoted text. Be careful about quote marks and
indentation so people aren't confused about which is your text and which
is quoted.

--
Kent W. England, Microsoft MVP for Windows Security

[Lil' Dave]

If you're implying there's a correct way, there's not. It can be irritating
trying to read a thread (group of sequential replies to same original
message) if repliers are using both top and bottom posting.
Up here is the way MS OE newsreader replies by defaut.
This is called top posting.

"Robyn" > wrote in message
...
> Ok, I'll ask again and maybe get a polite reply instead of Rifleman's
> useless LOL?

In the middle means you're replying to what's immediately above, not below.

Snipping means to delete some information in the original post, then reply
below that to the information that was left. This is much worse that
top-posting in some circles.

>
> What is top posting?
> Yes I'm serious and yes I've read about newsgroup ettiquette.
>
> Robyn
>
>

Down here is normally used for typical usenet replies. A typical add-on
newsreader will reply down here. This is neither right or wrong. This was
the only location normally used for usenet replies for many years.

Dave

[Its only me]

Thank God thats finished!!!!! Or is it. BTW I prefer to "TOP POST"

"Lil' Dave" > wrote in message
news:GBqTb.9800$Ii2.1294@lakeread03...
> If you're implying there's a correct way, there's not. It can be
irritating
> trying to read a thread (group of sequential replies to same original
> message) if repliers are using both top and bottom posting.
> Up here is the way MS OE newsreader replies by defaut.
> This is called top posting.
>
> "Robyn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Ok, I'll ask again and maybe get a polite reply instead of Rifleman's
> > useless LOL?
>
> In the middle means you're replying to what's immediately above, not
below.
>
> Snipping means to delete some information in the original post, then reply
> below that to the information that was left. This is much worse that
> top-posting in some circles.
>
> >
> > What is top posting?
> > Yes I'm serious and yes I've read about newsgroup ettiquette.
> >
> > Robyn
> >
> >
>
> Down here is normally used for typical usenet replies. A typical add-on
> newsreader will reply down here. This is neither right or wrong. This
was
> the only location normally used for usenet replies for many years.
>
> Dave
>
>

[Rifleman]

Xref: kermit microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers:117580

"Its only me" > wrote in message
...
> Thank God thats finished!!!!! Or is it.

Oh no it isn't!

[JAX]

No, I start reading from the OP and read whatever follows, then I post after
the last, or appropriate post in the thread.

JAX


"Rifleman" > wrote in message
...

"Read a book bottom up, do you?"

[JAX]

This goes on forever, at least for the past several years that I know of.

LOL, JAX

"Its only me" > wrote in message
...
> Thank God thats finished!!!!! Or is it. BTW I prefer to "TOP POST"

[David Candy]

I checked some books I own, and I noticed that not one single page =
included the previous page(s) at the top of the page.

--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
"JAX" > wrote in message =
...
> No, I start reading from the OP and read whatever follows, then I post =
after
> the last, or appropriate post in the thread.
>=20
> JAX
>=20
>=20
> "Rifleman" > wrote in message
> ...
>=20
> "Read a book bottom up, do you?"
>=20
>=20

[JAX]

Strange, now that you mention it, I don't recall it being that way in any of
Homer's works.

JAX

"David Candy" > wrote in message
...
I checked some books I own, and I noticed that not one single page included
the previous page(s) at the top of the page.

--
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
"JAX" > wrote in message
...
> No, I start reading from the OP and read whatever follows, then I post
after
> the last, or appropriate post in the thread.
>
> JAX
>
>
> "Rifleman" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> "Read a book bottom up, do you?"
>
>

[Its only me]

Hopefully then, we shall have some more interesting comments. This thread
has kept me amused for ages.

"JAX" > wrote in message
...
> This goes on forever, at least for the past several years that I know of.
>
> LOL, JAX
>
> "Its only me" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Thank God thats finished!!!!! Or is it. BTW I prefer to "TOP POST"
>
>

[JAX]

It has always been the S.O.S., just a different day.

Cheers, JAX

"Its only me" > wrote in message
...
> Hopefully then, we shall have some more interesting comments. This thread
> has kept me amused for ages.
>
> "JAX" > wrote in message
> ...
> > This goes on forever, at least for the past several years that I know
of.
> >
> > LOL, JAX
> >
> > "Its only me" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Thank God thats finished!!!!! Or is it. BTW I prefer to "TOP POST"
> >
> >
>
>

[JAX]

Hi Sharon,

This thread is like "Deja Vous"(sp?) I don't speak French. I have seen or,
think I've seen, the same thing before, at least once a month for as long as
I have had a computer.

JAX

"Sharon F" > wrote in message
...

> TIP for Robyn: Once a thread moves into the discussion of top/bottom
> posting -- it is guaranteed it will be lengthy one.

[JAX]

The show was Jeopardy, wasn't it?

JAX

"Box134" > wrote in message
...
After all, isn't there a quiz show
> where you have to provide a question for an answer?

[mrtee]

JAX, isn't that SSDD?

--=20
Just my 2=A2 worth
Jeff
__________in response to__________
"JAX" > wrote in message =
...
| It has always been the S.O.S., just a different day.
|=20
| Cheers, JAX

[JAX]

I added the "O" for old.

JAX

"mrtee" > wrote in message
...
JAX, isn't that SSDD?

--
Just my 2¢ worth
Jeff
__________in response to__________
"JAX" > wrote in message
...
| It has always been the S.O.S., just a different day.
|
| Cheers, JAX

[mrtee]

O(h) or O(kay). :-)

--=20
Just my 2=A2 worth
Jeff
__________in response to__________
"JAX" > wrote in message =
...
| I added the "O" for old.
|=20
| JAX

[Sharon F]

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:36:51 -0700, JAX wrote:

> This thread is like "Deja Vous"(sp?) I don't speak French. I have seen or,
> think I've seen, the same thing before, at least once a month for as long as
> I have had a computer.

<aol> me too </aol> ;)

--
Sharon F
MS MVP - Windows XP Shell/User

[Box134]

May have been, I don't recall exactly. It's a cinch bottom-posters wouldn't
succeed on the show with their poor cognitive abilities!

"JAX" > wrote in message
...
> The show was Jeopardy, wasn't it?
>
> JAX
>
> "Box134" > wrote in message
> ...
> After all, isn't there a quiz show
> > where you have to provide a question for an answer?
>
>

[Box134]

"Déjà vu" is what you're thinking of. Yogi Berra did a lot of it!

>
> > This thread is like "Deja Vous"(sp?) I don't speak French. I have seen
or,
> > think I've seen, the same thing before, at least once a month for as
long as
> > I have had a computer.
>

[JAX]

Who'd have thunk it? I thought this thread was dead.

JAX


"Box134" > wrote in message
...
> "Déjà vu" is what you're thinking of. Yogi Berra did a lot of it!
>
> >
> > > This thread is like "Deja Vous"(sp?) I don't speak French. I have seen
> or,
> > > think I've seen, the same thing before, at least once a month for as
> long as
> > > I have had a computer.
> >
>
>
>

[Rifleman]

"Box134" > wrote in message
...
> May have been, I don't recall exactly. It's a cinch bottom-posters
wouldn't
> succeed on the show with their poor cognitive abilities!
>
> "JAX" > wrote in message
> ...
> > The show was Jeopardy, wasn't it?
> >
> > JAX
> >
> > "Box134" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > After all, isn't there a quiz show
> > > where you have to provide a question for an answer?
> >
> >
>
>

Don't be too sure about that - we creep up in the dark and get you in the
back.