bitmap to jpeg

[mark farley]

for some reason when i try to download and save a jpeg i
only get the choice of saving it as a bitmap. did i
change a setting and not know ti. thanks in advance for
your help.

[Andy]

On Sat, 10 May 2003 06:08:06 -0700, [mark farley] mentioned :-

>for some reason when i try to download and save a jpeg i
>only get the choice of saving it as a bitmap. did i
>change a setting and not know ti. thanks in advance for
>your help.

This is normally as a result of your browser temporary internet files
cache being full.

tools/internet options/delete files



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[Mike Thoma]

>>for some reason when i try to download and save a jpeg i
>>only get the choice of saving it as a bitmap. did i
>>change a setting and not know ti. thanks in advance for
>>your help.
>
>
> This is normally as a result of your browser temporary internet files
> cache being full.

What's the connection? Bitmaps take a heck of a lot more space than Jpegs.

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

Basically, you need to clean up your temporary Internet files.

Internet Explorer Does Not Save Graphics Files in Proper Format
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q260650


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"mark farley" > wrote in message
...
> for some reason when i try to download and save a jpeg i
> only get the choice of saving it as a bitmap. did i
> change a setting and not know ti. thanks in advance for
> your help.

[Andy]

On Sat, 10 May 2003 06:38:37 -0700, [Mike Thoma] mentioned :-

>
>
>>>for some reason when i try to download and save a jpeg i
>>>only get the choice of saving it as a bitmap. did i
>>>change a setting and not know ti. thanks in advance for
>>>your help.
>>
>>
>> This is normally as a result of your browser temporary internet files
>> cache being full.
>
>What's the connection? Bitmaps take a heck of a lot more space than Jpegs.

?



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[Nick]

This is a well documented issue with IE6 - but Microsoft haven't got round
to sorting it yet - for some reason.

The advice to clear your temporary Internet files is sound - it's one of
their suggested workarounds

[Fred]

On Sat, 10 May 2003 06:08:06 -0700, "mark farley"
> wrote:

>for some reason when i try to download and save a jpeg i
>only get the choice of saving it as a bitmap. did i
>change a setting and not know ti. thanks in advance for
>your help.

When you download a file you can only save it as the file it is.

You are basically asking why you can't download a picture and save it
as a Word document, or an Excel spreadsheet, or an MPG file ...

Each picture type has a unique file format, just as the examples
above. A BMP is different than a JPG, PNG, GIF or any other graphic.
Even GIF files have different formats among them.

[Fred]

On Sat, 10 May 2003 13:22:23 +0000 (UTC), Andy
> wrote:

>On Sat, 10 May 2003 06:08:06 -0700, [mark farley] mentioned :-
>
>>for some reason when i try to download and save a jpeg i
>>only get the choice of saving it as a bitmap. did i
>>change a setting and not know ti. thanks in advance for
>>your help.
>
>This is normally as a result of your browser temporary internet files
>cache being full.
>
>tools/internet options/delete files

clueless...

[Andy]

On Sat, 10 May 2003 16:42:27 GMT, [Fred] mentioned :-

>On Sat, 10 May 2003 13:22:23 +0000 (UTC), Andy
> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 10 May 2003 06:08:06 -0700, [mark farley] mentioned :-
>>
>>>for some reason when i try to download and save a jpeg i
>>>only get the choice of saving it as a bitmap. did i
>>>change a setting and not know ti. thanks in advance for
>>>your help.
>>
>>This is normally as a result of your browser temporary internet files
>>cache being full.
>>
>>tools/internet options/delete files
>
>clueless...

?

Meaning ?

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[Amethyst]

Fred wrote:
> On Sat, 10 May 2003 06:08:06 -0700, "mark farley"
> > wrote:
>
>> for some reason when i try to download and save a jpeg i
>> only get the choice of saving it as a bitmap. did i
>> change a setting and not know ti. thanks in advance for
>> your help.
>
> When you download a file you can only save it as the file it is.
>
> You are basically asking why you can't download a picture and save it
> as a Word document, or an Excel spreadsheet, or an MPG file ...
>
> Each picture type has a unique file format, just as the examples
> above. A BMP is different than a JPG, PNG, GIF or any other graphic.
> Even GIF files have different formats among them.

No Fred - /YOU/ are the clueless one. Andy and Bruce are perfectly correct.
Suggest you do some research before denouncing someone who - obviously -
knows more than you do.

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[Mike Thoma]

Andy wrote:
> On Sat, 10 May 2003 06:38:37 -0700, [Mike Thoma] mentioned :-
>
>
>>
>>>>for some reason when i try to download and save a jpeg i
>>>>only get the choice of saving it as a bitmap. did i
>>>>change a setting and not know ti. thanks in advance for
>>>>your help.
>>>
>>>
>>>This is normally as a result of your browser temporary internet files
>>>cache being full.
>>
>>What's the connection? Bitmaps take a heck of a lot more space than Jpegs.
>
>
> ?
>

Andy, the original poster stated he can still save the downloaded image,
but as a bitmap instead of a jpeg. So my question is, why would a full
internet file cache cause this behavior. If it simply didn't give him
access I'd understand.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just trying to understand Windows and
IE behavior.

[Michael]

Its called a IE BUG :)

>-----Original Message-----
>Andy wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 May 2003 06:38:37 -0700, [Mike Thoma]
mentioned :-
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>>for some reason when i try to download and save a
jpeg i
>>>>>only get the choice of saving it as a bitmap. did i
>>>>>change a setting and not know ti. thanks in advance
for
>>>>>your help.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>This is normally as a result of your browser temporary
internet files
>>>>cache being full.
>>>
>>>What's the connection? Bitmaps take a heck of a lot
more space than Jpegs.
>>
>>
>> ?
>>
>
>Andy, the original poster stated he can still save the
downloaded image,
>but as a bitmap instead of a jpeg. So my question is, why
would a full
>internet file cache cause this behavior. If it simply
didn't give him
>access I'd understand.
>
>I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just trying to
understand Windows and
>IE behavior.
>
>.
>

[Mike Thoma]

Fred wrote:
> On Sat, 10 May 2003 06:08:06 -0700, "mark farley"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>for some reason when i try to download and save a jpeg i
>>only get the choice of saving it as a bitmap. did i
>>change a setting and not know ti. thanks in advance for
>>your help.
>
>
> When you download a file you can only save it as the file it is.
>
> You are basically asking why you can't download a picture and save it
> as a Word document, or an Excel spreadsheet, or an MPG file ...
>
> Each picture type has a unique file format, just as the examples
> above. A BMP is different than a JPG, PNG, GIF or any other graphic.
> Even GIF files have different formats among them.

First, the OP states that he is downloading a jpeg, not a bitmap. I
don't see any reason to question him.

Second, any site sending an image over the web as a BMP should be shut down.

[Andy]

On Sat, 10 May 2003 23:25:48 -0700, [Mike Thoma] mentioned :-

>Andy wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 May 2003 06:38:37 -0700, [Mike Thoma] mentioned :-
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>>for some reason when i try to download and save a jpeg i
>>>>>only get the choice of saving it as a bitmap. did i
>>>>>change a setting and not know ti. thanks in advance for
>>>>>your help.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>This is normally as a result of your browser temporary internet files
>>>>cache being full.
>>>
>>>What's the connection? Bitmaps take a heck of a lot more space than Jpegs.
>>
>>
>> ?
>>
>
>Andy, the original poster stated he can still save the downloaded image,
>but as a bitmap instead of a jpeg. So my question is, why would a full
>internet file cache cause this behavior. If it simply didn't give him
>access I'd understand.
>

It should give him access, since the original file is a jpg, not a
bmp, so saving should be the original file type.

Because, as Michael said, it's a bug - I've seen it reported, that if
a user has a "huge" temporary cache, then indexing gets cobbled up or
something. Reducing the cache to say 50MB or 100MB may not cause this
"feature".

>I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just trying to understand Windows and
>IE behavior.



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[Alex Nichol]

Mike Thoma wrote:

>
>What's the connection? Bitmaps take a heck of a lot more space than Jpegs.

It appears to be a consequence of an overload of the index to TIF. I
suggest you delete files and then take the Settings and reduce the space
allowed, which may be excessive. Around 40 or 50 MB should be plenty,
unless you habitually download *enormous* files before deciding where to
put them


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[Mike Thoma]

Thanks Alex, but I guess my posts weren't clear. I've never actually run
into this problem, so I was going to let it drop, but your post makes me
want to give it one more try.

I understand that this is a bug. I also understand that it's related to
the internet temporary cache being full, a situation that can easily be
cleared up by cleaning up, so it's an easy fix.

What I don't understand is the code logic (again, I know it's a bug, so
of course the logic will be flawed). In this situation, Explorer is
essentially saying "Well, I can't save this here small jpeg file because
my temporary cache is full - tell you what, though, I CAN save it as a
much larger BMP file - that won't be a problem." If there's no room for
a jpeg, how can there be room for a bitmap?

Alex Nichol wrote:
> Mike Thoma wrote:
>
>
>>What's the connection? Bitmaps take a heck of a lot more space than Jpegs.
>
>
> It appears to be a consequence of an overload of the index to TIF. I
> suggest you delete files and then take the Settings and reduce the space
> allowed, which may be excessive. Around 40 or 50 MB should be plenty,
> unless you habitually download *enormous* files before deciding where to
> put them
>
>

[Sharon F]

Mike,
Some of this has to do with how the browser works. IE is bitmap oriented for
displaying simple images. It downloads a jpeg, expands the compressed image
data and uses it to calculate a bitmap for display purposes. When the cache
is full the little something extra that allows IE to offer the BMP and JPG
formats for saving an individual image just isn't there. Clear the cache and
the choices "magically" return.

After having read a bit about the inner workings of IE (dig around in
technet and msdn for this info - again, my apologies at not having the
links), I was under the mistaken impression that increasing the size of the
cache would be the right direction to go for a workaround.

When I read Alex's explanation about the pitfalls of parsing a large
directory (a problem we've already seen hints of in other areas of Windows),
making the cache smaller is more logical. Or perhaps I should say Alex's in
depth understanding of the file system outweighs my fledgling understanding
of the IE mechanisms so he's swayed me to his way of thinking. <g>

--
Sharon F
Microsoft MVP, Windows - Shell/User


Mike Thoma wrote:
> Thanks Alex, but I guess my posts weren't clear. I've never actually run
> into this problem, so I was going to let it drop, but your post makes me
> want to give it one more try.
>
> I understand that this is a bug. I also understand that it's related to
> the internet temporary cache being full, a situation that can easily be
> cleared up by cleaning up, so it's an easy fix.
>
> What I don't understand is the code logic (again, I know it's a bug, so
> of course the logic will be flawed). In this situation, Explorer is
> essentially saying "Well, I can't save this here small jpeg file because
> my temporary cache is full - tell you what, though, I CAN save it as a
> much larger BMP file - that won't be a problem." If there's no room for
> a jpeg, how can there be room for a bitmap?
>
> Alex Nichol wrote:
>> Mike Thoma wrote:
>>
>>
>>> What's the connection? Bitmaps take a heck of a lot more space than
Jpegs.
>>
>>
>> It appears to be a consequence of an overload of the index to TIF. I
>> suggest you delete files and then take the Settings and reduce the space
>> allowed, which may be excessive. Around 40 or 50 MB should be plenty,
>> unless you habitually download *enormous* files before deciding where to
>> put them

[Mike Thoma]

Sharon, thanks for that explanation. It still seems a little odd, but it
makes sense now.



Sharon F wrote:
> Mike,
> Some of this has to do with how the browser works. IE is bitmap oriented for
> displaying simple images. It downloads a jpeg, expands the compressed image
> data and uses it to calculate a bitmap for display purposes. When the cache
> is full the little something extra that allows IE to offer the BMP and JPG
> formats for saving an individual image just isn't there. Clear the cache and
> the choices "magically" return.
>
> After having read a bit about the inner workings of IE (dig around in
> technet and msdn for this info - again, my apologies at not having the
> links), I was under the mistaken impression that increasing the size of the
> cache would be the right direction to go for a workaround.
>
> When I read Alex's explanation about the pitfalls of parsing a large
> directory (a problem we've already seen hints of in other areas of Windows),
> making the cache smaller is more logical. Or perhaps I should say Alex's in
> depth understanding of the file system outweighs my fledgling understanding
> of the IE mechanisms so he's swayed me to his way of thinking. <g>
>

[Sharon F]

You're welcome, Mike. The behavior first cropped up with IE5 and has carried
over to IE6.

--
Sharon F
Microsoft MVP, Windows - Shell/User


Mike Thoma wrote:
> Sharon, thanks for that explanation. It still seems a little odd, but it
> makes sense now.
>
>
>
> Sharon F wrote:
>> Mike,
>> Some of this has to do with how the browser works. IE is bitmap oriented
>> for displaying simple images. It downloads a jpeg, expands the compressed
>> image data and uses it to calculate a bitmap for display purposes. When
>> the cache is full the little something extra that allows IE to offer the
>> BMP and JPG formats for saving an individual image just isn't there.
Clear
>> the cache and the choices "magically" return.
>>
>> After having read a bit about the inner workings of IE (dig around in
>> technet and msdn for this info - again, my apologies at not having the
>> links), I was under the mistaken impression that increasing the size of
the
>> cache would be the right direction to go for a workaround.
>>
>> When I read Alex's explanation about the pitfalls of parsing a large
>> directory (a problem we've already seen hints of in other areas of
>> Windows), making the cache smaller is more logical. Or perhaps I should
>> say Alex's in depth understanding of the file system outweighs my
>> fledgling understanding of the IE mechanisms so he's swayed me to his way
>> of thinking. <g>