MVP Status [Archive]

Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers

February 13th 04, 01:01 PM

Definitely not so, as many are some of the biggest critics - I've been part
of and witnessed several "blastings" at MS staffers for poor design and
short-sighted decisions. Since participation is voluntary, no one is in fear
of losing anything by speaking out.

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Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers aka "Nutcase" MS-MVP - Win9x
Windows isn't rocket science! That's my other hobby!
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Associate Expert - WinXP - Expert Zone
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Win98 Help - www.rickrogers.org

"kurttrail" > wrote in message
...
> Rick S. wrote:
>
> > Hello Group;
> > I would like to have information on becoming an "MVP".
> > What is the necessary steps to take. I feel I may be helpful in
> > solving many of the user's problems with various Microsoft Versions
> > currently on the market. I can be reached here:
> > (remove the + from the address to reply)
> >
>
> Just make sure that if your opinion differs from that of MS, then don't
> express your opinion. MS really doesn't like it when people post things
> that doesn't follow the party line.
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
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>
>

Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers

February 13th 04, 01:01 PM

Absolutely, 100% true. Peer-to-peer support relies on all participants, even
the lurkers, to be effective.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers aka "Nutcase" MS-MVP - Win9x
Windows isn't rocket science! That's my other hobby!
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Associate Expert - WinXP - Expert Zone
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Win98 Help - www.rickrogers.org

"purplehaz" > wrote in message
...
> You don't need to have some initials in your signature in order to help
out.
> Just jump in.
>
> Rick S. wrote:
> > Hello Group;
> > I would like to have information on becoming an "MVP".
> > What is the necessary steps to take. I feel I may be helpful in
> > solving many of the user's problems with various Microsoft Versions
> > currently on the market. I can be reached here:
> > (remove the + from the address to reply)
> >
>
>

kurttrail

February 13th 04, 01:42 PM

Rick "Nutcase" Rogers wrote:

> Definitely not so, as many are some of the biggest critics - I've
> been part of and witnessed several "blastings" at MS staffers for
> poor design and short-sighted decisions. Since participation is
> voluntary, no one is in fear of losing anything by speaking out.

Well in the 2 or so years I've read this group, I've seen the most rabid
MS-Asskissers become MVPs, while others, that I see being more helpful, but
express their honest opinions, yet are overlooked time and again. Maybe
once your an MVP, you have a little more lattitude to express yourselves,
but don't dare say anything contrary to the MS party line if you want to be
considered to join the MVP ranks.

I respect most of the MVPs I encounter, but some MVPs seem to have been
picked just for being good attack dogs for MS, and not for their ability to
help other end users.

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Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers

February 13th 04, 01:42 PM

Point taken, but I won't entirely agree. I've never been afraid to voice my
opinion, both before joining the program and after, and it's never affected
my participation in any way, nor have I ever been "reprimanded" by MS for
publicly stating that I feel any particular policy/program/decision was
poor. Some of the "old timers" are also the most vocal critics MS staffers
have ever been exposed to. But, as you have mentioned, I concentrate my
efforts on actually helping people, and stay away from trying to be the
newsgroup police.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers aka "Nutcase" MS-MVP - Win9x
Windows isn't rocket science! That's my other hobby!
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Associate Expert - WinXP - Expert Zone
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Win98 Help - www.rickrogers.org

"kurttrail" > wrote in message
...
> Rick "Nutcase" Rogers wrote:
>
> > Definitely not so, as many are some of the biggest critics - I've
> > been part of and witnessed several "blastings" at MS staffers for
> > poor design and short-sighted decisions. Since participation is
> > voluntary, no one is in fear of losing anything by speaking out.
>
> Well in the 2 or so years I've read this group, I've seen the most rabid
> MS-Asskissers become MVPs, while others, that I see being more helpful,
but
> express their honest opinions, yet are overlooked time and again. Maybe
> once your an MVP, you have a little more lattitude to express yourselves,
> but don't dare say anything contrary to the MS party line if you want to
be
> considered to join the MVP ranks.
>
> I respect most of the MVPs I encounter, but some MVPs seem to have been
> picked just for being good attack dogs for MS, and not for their ability
to
> help other end users.
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>
>

Mark Tangard

February 13th 04, 02:41 PM

Xref: kermit microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:960893

To the original poster: See http://word.mvps.org/AboutMVPs/index.htm for
a bit of insight on why you might want to be an MVP and why you might not.

To Kurt: You might want to cruise the Word newsgroups for a while and
see just how *little* asskissing actually goes on. In that area at
least, you're so wrong it's comical. And on the frequent occasions I
visit various other MS groups for help, I can't say I've ever seen what
you describe.

My initial arrival in the MS newsgroups was undoubtedly one of the most
bitter and nasty on record. As I learned things, I did become able to
post more answers than questions, but this had no effect on my plainly
unrosy view of Microsoft, nor on the content of my postings. What did
change, over time, is that I realized that sheer bitching accomplished
nothing. My posts now aim mainly at helping others cope with the
problems they encounter. I'm not there to give strokes to a
multibillion-dollar corporate behemoth with an unhealthy monopoly on
modern computing, and I don't. And I'm not all that unusual among the
Word MVPs.

Becoming an MVP was never a plan of mine. The invitation arrived as a
complete surprise, and many others have said the same. Some time ago a
brief essay on MVPhood suggested that one way NOT to become an MVP is to
aspire openly to it. Seemed a little twisted at the time, but it's
valid enough. Reason: The MVP award recognizes the specific combination
of technical expertise and skill at conveying it to others, period.
Anyone who wants the plaque and title for his own sake is chasing the
wrong grail. I risk nothing by speaking my mind, but if it ever did
cause my MVP award to not be renewed, it wouldn't change the reason I
visit the newsgroups, and I wouldn't likely stop doing that either.

If you spend most of your time in these groups licking your own squishy
purple vendettas, most people won't take you seriously. That's because
most people don't come here in the first place looking for a fight; they
come looking for help. If you can't offer any, or if you offer it only
accompanied by cackling litanies of Stuff We Should Be Mad At, then your
long-term contribution is essentially worthless.

To be sure, I can't and don't judge anyone's motivation for hanging out
here. Maybe some folks *want* only to rouse a rabble, and maybe that's
their true goal. If my life were that empty, I'd kill myself.

--
Mark Tangard, Microsoft Word MVP 2002-2004
"Life is nothing if you're not obsessed." --John Waters

kurttrail wrote:
> Rick "Nutcase" Rogers wrote:
>
>
>>Definitely not so, as many are some of the biggest critics - I've
>>been part of and witnessed several "blastings" at MS staffers for
>>poor design and short-sighted decisions. Since participation is
>>voluntary, no one is in fear of losing anything by speaking out.
>
>
> Well in the 2 or so years I've read this group, I've seen the most rabid
> MS-Asskissers become MVPs, while others, that I see being more helpful, but
> express their honest opinions, yet are overlooked time and again. Maybe
> once your an MVP, you have a little more lattitude to express yourselves,
> but don't dare say anything contrary to the MS party line if you want to be
> considered to join the MVP ranks.
>
> I respect most of the MVPs I encounter, but some MVPs seem to have been
> picked just for being good attack dogs for MS, and not for their ability to
> help other end users.
>

Malke

February 13th 04, 03:01 PM

kurttrail wrote:

> Rick "Nutcase" Rogers wrote:
>
>> Definitely not so, as many are some of the biggest critics - I've
>> been part of and witnessed several "blastings" at MS staffers for
>> poor design and short-sighted decisions. Since participation is
>> voluntary, no one is in fear of losing anything by speaking out.
>
> Well in the 2 or so years I've read this group, I've seen the most
> rabid MS-Asskissers become MVPs, while others, that I see being more
> helpful, but
> express their honest opinions, yet are overlooked time and again.
> Maybe once your an MVP, you have a little more lattitude to express
> yourselves, but don't dare say anything contrary to the MS party line
> if you want to be considered to join the MVP ranks.
>
> I respect most of the MVPs I encounter, but some MVPs seem to have
> been picked just for being good attack dogs for MS, and not for their
> ability to help other end users.
>

Hey, Kurt. You know I never argue with you, because you are too good a
Flame Warrior, but I'd like to point out that I was just given the MVP
award this year - and yes, I'm very pleased with it - and I've never
disguised my headers. All the other MVP's and MS saw the headers, too,
and they still gave me the honor. And yes, I do consider it an honor to
be recognized by my peers. And no, I *still* don't ever want to argue
with you - for me, life is too short to engage in flamewars.

Cheers,

Malke
--
MS MVP - Windows Shell/User
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"

kurttrail

February 13th 04, 03:22 PM

Mark Tangard wrote:

> To the original poster: See http://word.mvps.org/AboutMVPs/index.htm
> for
> a bit of insight on why you might want to be an MVP and why you might
> not.
>
> To Kurt: You might want to cruise the Word newsgroups for a while and
> see just how *little* asskissing actually goes on. In that area at
> least, you're so wrong it's comical. And on the frequent occasions I
> visit various other MS groups for help, I can't say I've ever seen
> what
> you describe.
>
> My initial arrival in the MS newsgroups was undoubtedly one of the
> most bitter and nasty on record. As I learned things, I did become
> able to
> post more answers than questions, but this had no effect on my plainly
> unrosy view of Microsoft, nor on the content of my postings. What did
> change, over time, is that I realized that sheer bitching accomplished
> nothing. My posts now aim mainly at helping others cope with the
> problems they encounter. I'm not there to give strokes to a
> multibillion-dollar corporate behemoth with an unhealthy monopoly on
> modern computing, and I don't. And I'm not all that unusual among the
> Word MVPs.
>
> Becoming an MVP was never a plan of mine. The invitation arrived as a
> complete surprise, and many others have said the same. Some time ago
> a brief essay on MVPhood suggested that one way NOT to become an MVP
> is to aspire openly to it. Seemed a little twisted at the time, but
> it's
> valid enough. Reason: The MVP award recognizes the specific
> combination
> of technical expertise and skill at conveying it to others, period.
> Anyone who wants the plaque and title for his own sake is chasing the
> wrong grail. I risk nothing by speaking my mind, but if it ever did
> cause my MVP award to not be renewed, it wouldn't change the reason I
> visit the newsgroups, and I wouldn't likely stop doing that either.
>
> If you spend most of your time in these groups licking your own
> squishy purple vendettas, most people won't take you seriously.
> That's because
> most people don't come here in the first place looking for a fight;
> they come looking for help. If you can't offer any, or if you offer
> it only accompanied by cackling litanies of Stuff We Should Be Mad
> At, then your long-term contribution is essentially worthless.
>
> To be sure, I can't and don't judge anyone's motivation for hanging
> out here. Maybe some folks *want* only to rouse a rabble, and maybe
> that's their true goal. If my life were that empty, I'd kill myself.

Did I touch a nerve, or something? As I said I respect most of the MVPs
I've encountered, but there are definitely people that regularly help
out in this group all the time that have been ignored, while some people
that are nothing more than MS cheerleaders, are made MVPs more for there
MS-über-alles attitudes than for actually helping other people out with
their technical problems.

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kurttrail

February 13th 04, 04:03 PM

Malke wrote:

> kurttrail wrote:
>
>> Rick "Nutcase" Rogers wrote:
>>
>>> Definitely not so, as many are some of the biggest critics - I've
>>> been part of and witnessed several "blastings" at MS staffers for
>>> poor design and short-sighted decisions. Since participation is
>>> voluntary, no one is in fear of losing anything by speaking out.
>>
>> Well in the 2 or so years I've read this group, I've seen the most
>> rabid MS-Asskissers become MVPs, while others, that I see being more
>> helpful, but
>> express their honest opinions, yet are overlooked time and again.
>> Maybe once your an MVP, you have a little more lattitude to express
>> yourselves, but don't dare say anything contrary to the MS party line
>> if you want to be considered to join the MVP ranks.
>>
>> I respect most of the MVPs I encounter, but some MVPs seem to have
>> been picked just for being good attack dogs for MS, and not for their
>> ability to help other end users.
>>
>
> Hey, Kurt. You know I never argue with you, because you are too good a
> Flame Warrior, but I'd like to point out that I was just given the MVP
> award this year - and yes, I'm very pleased with it - and I've never
> disguised my headers.

You would be one of the many MVPs that I respect. But there a few that
have helped out just as much as you have that have been ignored
seemingly because they have expressly voiced their opinions contrary to
MS party-line.

> All the other MVP's and MS saw the headers, too,
> and they still gave me the honor. And yes, I do consider it an honor
> to be recognized by my peers. And no, I *still* don't ever want to
> argue with you - for me, life is too short to engage in flamewars.

There's nothing wrong with engaging in an argument, that's the best way
for others to see both sides of an issue. But come on, are you gonna
tell me that there aren't some that are MVPs and who are nothing more
that MS apologists?

With people willing to discus things rationally, I hardly ever engage in
flamewars. You would have absolutely nothing to fear in engaging in a
rational discussion with me.

--
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http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

purplehaz

February 13th 04, 04:42 PM

kurttrail wrote:
> Malke wrote:
>
>> kurttrail wrote:
>>
>>> Rick "Nutcase" Rogers wrote:
>>>
>>>> Definitely not so, as many are some of the biggest critics - I've
>>>> been part of and witnessed several "blastings" at MS staffers for
>>>> poor design and short-sighted decisions. Since participation is
>>>> voluntary, no one is in fear of losing anything by speaking out.
>>>
>>> Well in the 2 or so years I've read this group, I've seen the most
>>> rabid MS-Asskissers become MVPs, while others, that I see being more
>>> helpful, but
>>> express their honest opinions, yet are overlooked time and again.
>>> Maybe once your an MVP, you have a little more lattitude to express
>>> yourselves, but don't dare say anything contrary to the MS party
>>> line if you want to be considered to join the MVP ranks.
>>>
>>> I respect most of the MVPs I encounter, but some MVPs seem to have
>>> been picked just for being good attack dogs for MS, and not for
>>> their ability to help other end users.
>>>
>>
>> Hey, Kurt. You know I never argue with you, because you are too good
>> a Flame Warrior, but I'd like to point out that I was just given the
>> MVP award this year - and yes, I'm very pleased with it - and I've
>> never disguised my headers.
>
> You would be one of the many MVPs that I respect. But there a few
> that have helped out just as much as you have that have been ignored
> seemingly because they have expressly voiced their opinions contrary
> to MS party-line.
>
>> All the other MVP's and MS saw the headers, too,
>> and they still gave me the honor. And yes, I do consider it an honor
>> to be recognized by my peers. And no, I *still* don't ever want to
>> argue with you - for me, life is too short to engage in flamewars.
>
> There's nothing wrong with engaging in an argument, that's the best
> way for others to see both sides of an issue. But come on, are you
> gonna tell me that there aren't some that are MVPs and who are
> nothing more that MS apologists?
>
> With people willing to discus things rationally, I hardly ever engage
> in flamewars. You would have absolutely nothing to fear in engaging
> in a rational discussion with me.

Ahhhh........ the price of being a rebel......... (but I wouldn't live my
life any other way)

kurttrail

February 13th 04, 05:03 PM

purplehaz wrote:

> Ahhhh........ the price of being a rebel......... (but I wouldn't
> live my life any other way)

Yeah, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't be recognized for all the
help you given to others here. And quite frankly, had the powers to be
actually saw that Malke posts here using Linux, I not all that certain
that he would have been chosen, although I certainly agree with him
being chosen as a MVP.

Keep up the good work!

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

purplehaz

February 13th 04, 05:22 PM

kurttrail wrote:
> purplehaz wrote:
>
>> Ahhhh........ the price of being a rebel......... (but I wouldn't
>> live my life any other way)
>
> Yeah, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't be recognized for all
> the help you given to others here. And quite frankly, had the powers
> to be actually saw that Malke posts here using Linux, I not all that
> certain that he would have been chosen, although I certainly agree
> with him being chosen as a MVP.
>
> Keep up the good work!

Ya I agree. I respect most of the mvp's and the mvp program is great, but
what can you do. I help because I actually like to, that's enough for me.
LOL - now that is funny. I didn't realize malke uses linux when he's posting
here. I'll have to look at his properties. That's just too funny. Maybe I'll
start posting using thunderbird newsreader(mozilla), I just downloaded it
yesterday, but haven't tried it yet. Anyway, thanks for the kind words.

Malke

February 13th 04, 06:42 PM

purplehaz wrote:

> kurttrail wrote:
>> purplehaz wrote:
>>
>>> Ahhhh........ the price of being a rebel......... (but I wouldn't
>>> live my life any other way)
>>
>> Yeah, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't be recognized for all
>> the help you given to others here. And quite frankly, had the powers
>> to be actually saw that Malke posts here using Linux, I not all that
>> certain that he would have been chosen, although I certainly agree
>> with him being chosen as a MVP.
>>
>> Keep up the good work!
>
> Ya I agree. I respect most of the mvp's and the mvp program is great,
> but what can you do. I help because I actually like to, that's enough
> for me. LOL - now that is funny. I didn't realize malke uses linux
> when he's posting here. I'll have to look at his properties. That's
> just too funny. Maybe I'll start posting using thunderbird
> newsreader(mozilla), I just downloaded it yesterday, but haven't tried
> it yet. Anyway, thanks for the kind words.

Hey, I'm a "she" not a "he". And I happen to know that the awarders knew
that I post from The Dark Side. They also knew that the only MS os's I
*don't* have boxen actively running are NT4, WinME, and Server(foo).
But yes, this is posted in KNode under KDE, using SUSE 9.0 Pro, and
I've said that before so it has never been a secret.

Thanks for the compliments, though.

Cheers,

Malke
--
MS MVP - Windows Shell/User
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"

kurttrail

February 13th 04, 07:22 PM

Malke wrote:

> purplehaz wrote:
>
>> kurttrail wrote:
>>> purplehaz wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ahhhh........ the price of being a rebel......... (but I wouldn't
>>>> live my life any other way)
>>>
>>> Yeah, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't be recognized for all
>>> the help you given to others here. And quite frankly, had the
>>> powers to be actually saw that Malke posts here using Linux, I not
>>> all that certain that he would have been chosen, although I
>>> certainly agree with him being chosen as a MVP.
>>>
>>> Keep up the good work!
>>
>> Ya I agree. I respect most of the mvp's and the mvp program is great,
>> but what can you do. I help because I actually like to, that's enough
>> for me. LOL - now that is funny. I didn't realize malke uses linux
>> when he's posting here. I'll have to look at his properties. That's
>> just too funny. Maybe I'll start posting using thunderbird
>> newsreader(mozilla), I just downloaded it yesterday, but haven't
>> tried it yet. Anyway, thanks for the kind words.
>
> Hey, I'm a "she" not a "he". And I happen to know that the awarders
> knew that I post from The Dark Side. They also knew that the only MS
> os's I *don't* have boxen actively running are NT4, WinME, and
> Server(foo). But yes, this is posted in KNode under KDE, using SUSE
> 9.0 Pro, and I've said that before so it has never been a secret.
>
> Thanks for the compliments, though.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Malke

Sorry Malke, I've never been exactly sure if you were male or female.
I'll make sure in the future that I use the correct pronoun.

--
Peace!
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purplehaz

February 13th 04, 07:44 PM

Malke wrote:
> purplehaz wrote:
>
>> kurttrail wrote:
>>> purplehaz wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ahhhh........ the price of being a rebel......... (but I wouldn't
>>>> live my life any other way)
>>>
>>> Yeah, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't be recognized for all
>>> the help you given to others here. And quite frankly, had the
>>> powers to be actually saw that Malke posts here using Linux, I not
>>> all that certain that he would have been chosen, although I
>>> certainly agree with him being chosen as a MVP.
>>>
>>> Keep up the good work!
>>
>> Ya I agree. I respect most of the mvp's and the mvp program is great,
>> but what can you do. I help because I actually like to, that's enough
>> for me. LOL - now that is funny. I didn't realize malke uses linux
>> when he's posting here. I'll have to look at his properties. That's
>> just too funny. Maybe I'll start posting using thunderbird
>> newsreader(mozilla), I just downloaded it yesterday, but haven't
>> tried it yet. Anyway, thanks for the kind words.
>
> Hey, I'm a "she" not a "he". And I happen to know that the awarders
> knew that I post from The Dark Side. They also knew that the only MS
> os's I *don't* have boxen actively running are NT4, WinME, and
> Server(foo). But yes, this is posted in KNode under KDE, using SUSE
> 9.0 Pro, and I've said that before so it has never been a secret.
>
> Thanks for the compliments, though.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Malke

Now your just trying to get me all hot and bothered............ a computer
geek girl that uses linux, wow. ;o)
LOL - just kiddn'

Malke

February 13th 04, 09:41 PM

kurttrail wrote:

> Malke wrote:
>
>> purplehaz wrote:
>>
>>> kurttrail wrote:
>>>> purplehaz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ahhhh........ the price of being a rebel......... (but I wouldn't
>>>>> live my life any other way)
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't be recognized for
>>>> all
>>>> the help you given to others here. And quite frankly, had the
>>>> powers to be actually saw that Malke posts here using Linux, I not
>>>> all that certain that he would have been chosen, although I
>>>> certainly agree with him being chosen as a MVP.
>>>>
>>>> Keep up the good work!
>>>
>>> Ya I agree. I respect most of the mvp's and the mvp program is
>>> great, but what can you do. I help because I actually like to,
>>> that's enough for me. LOL - now that is funny. I didn't realize
>>> malke uses linux when he's posting here. I'll have to look at his
>>> properties. That's just too funny. Maybe I'll start posting using
>>> thunderbird newsreader(mozilla), I just downloaded it yesterday, but
>>> haven't tried it yet. Anyway, thanks for the kind words.
>>
>> Hey, I'm a "she" not a "he". And I happen to know that the awarders
>> knew that I post from The Dark Side. They also knew that the only MS
>> os's I *don't* have boxen actively running are NT4, WinME, and
>> Server(foo). But yes, this is posted in KNode under KDE, using SUSE
>> 9.0 Pro, and I've said that before so it has never been a secret.
>>
>> Thanks for the compliments, though.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Malke
>
> Sorry Malke, I've never been exactly sure if you were male or female.
> I'll make sure in the future that I use the correct pronoun.
>
Oh, that's quite all right. If I were sensitive about little stuff like
that, I'd never post on Usenet! ;-)

Malke (means "Queen" in Hebrew, which is As It Should Be)
--
MS MVP - Windows Shell/User
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"

Mark Tangard

February 13th 04, 09:41 PM

I've seen that, rarely. And what I've noticed, and what any moron would
notice, is that those people aren't well regarded. Microsoft may give
the award, but the Ordinary Folk who come to the newsgroups for help and
stick around for the show quickly get to know who's useful and who's
not. An MVP who's commentary is mainly just froth about how fabulous
Microsoft is or consistently put forth unjustified defense of program
quirks is usually ignored. With no other redemption, those folks have
only a title, and an essentially meaningless one. I'm far more
appreciative of the thanks I receive from individuals than of some dumb
plaque that isn't even hung on my wall, although the reason for both is
the same.

There are no nerves to touch here, Kurt, so don't flatter yourself.
Your "respect" comments were of course folded around your negative ones,
but your intent was clearly to proffer the latter. I've been disgusted
over time with your signal-to-noise ratio in the groups you haunt, but
have never been moved to comment on it until now.

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kurttrail wrote:
> Mark Tangard wrote:
>
>
>>To the original poster: See http://word.mvps.org/AboutMVPs/index.htm
>>for
>>a bit of insight on why you might want to be an MVP and why you might
>>not.
>>
>>To Kurt: You might want to cruise the Word newsgroups for a while and
>>see just how *little* asskissing actually goes on. In that area at
>>least, you're so wrong it's comical. And on the frequent occasions I
>>visit various other MS groups for help, I can't say I've ever seen
>>what
>>you describe.
>>
>>My initial arrival in the MS newsgroups was undoubtedly one of the
>>most bitter and nasty on record. As I learned things, I did become
>>able to
>>post more answers than questions, but this had no effect on my plainly
>>unrosy view of Microsoft, nor on the content of my postings. What did
>>change, over time, is that I realized that sheer bitching accomplished
>>nothing. My posts now aim mainly at helping others cope with the
>>problems they encounter. I'm not there to give strokes to a
>>multibillion-dollar corporate behemoth with an unhealthy monopoly on
>>modern computing, and I don't. And I'm not all that unusual among the
>>Word MVPs.
>>
>>Becoming an MVP was never a plan of mine. The invitation arrived as a
>>complete surprise, and many others have said the same. Some time ago
>>a brief essay on MVPhood suggested that one way NOT to become an MVP
>>is to aspire openly to it. Seemed a little twisted at the time, but
>>it's
>>valid enough. Reason: The MVP award recognizes the specific
>>combination
>>of technical expertise and skill at conveying it to others, period.
>>Anyone who wants the plaque and title for his own sake is chasing the
>>wrong grail. I risk nothing by speaking my mind, but if it ever did
>>cause my MVP award to not be renewed, it wouldn't change the reason I
>>visit the newsgroups, and I wouldn't likely stop doing that either.
>>
>>If you spend most of your time in these groups licking your own
>>squishy purple vendettas, most people won't take you seriously.
>>That's because
>>most people don't come here in the first place looking for a fight;
>>they come looking for help. If you can't offer any, or if you offer
>>it only accompanied by cackling litanies of Stuff We Should Be Mad
>>At, then your long-term contribution is essentially worthless.
>>
>>To be sure, I can't and don't judge anyone's motivation for hanging
>>out here. Maybe some folks *want* only to rouse a rabble, and maybe
>>that's their true goal. If my life were that empty, I'd kill myself.
>
>
> Did I touch a nerve, or something? As I said I respect most of the MVPs
> I've encountered, but there are definitely people that regularly help
> out in this group all the time that have been ignored, while some people
> that are nothing more than MS cheerleaders, are made MVPs more for there
> MS-über-alles attitudes than for actually helping other people out with
> their technical problems.
>

Mark Tangard

February 13th 04, 10:03 PM

kurttrail wrote:

> I respect most of the MVPs I encounter

This hardly matches your first comment on this thread, which pretty
bluntly implies that MVPs take great pains to publicly agree with
Microsoft's views no matter what:

> Just make sure that if your opinion differs from that of MS, then
> don't express your opinion. MS really doesn't like it when people
> post things that doesn't follow the party line.

That comment defames the vast majority of MVPs, who do what we do simply
because it jazzes us to help people understand things they previously
didn't. One might ask how you could possibly "respect most" of a group
that you hours earlier claimed falls mainly into the opposite category.
Face it, you made a overbroad and unjustifiably negative statement at
the beginning of this thread -- possibly just to see if it would stand.

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, but some MVPs seem to have been
> picked just for being good attack dogs for MS, and not for their ability to
> help other end users.
>

kurttrail

February 13th 04, 10:23 PM

Mark Tangard wrote:

> I've seen that, rarely. And what I've noticed, and what any moron
> would notice, is that those people aren't well regarded.

In this particular group, it's seen on a daily basis, and while the
regulars around understand over time, the casual posters here for an
answer or two think that these bad eggs with the MVP title are official
MS reps.

> Microsoft
> may give the award, but the Ordinary Folk who come to the newsgroups
> for help and stick around for the show quickly get to know who's
> useful and who's
> not. An MVP who's commentary is mainly just froth about how fabulous
> Microsoft is or consistently put forth unjustified defense of program
> quirks is usually ignored. With no other redemption, those folks have
> only a title, and an essentially meaningless one. I'm far more
> appreciative of the thanks I receive from individuals than of some
> dumb plaque that isn't even hung on my wall, although the reason for
> both is the same.

Yep, it's always nice to get positive feedback by those you've actually
tried to help. I still blush when I'm thanked.

> There are no nerves to touch here, Kurt, so don't flatter yourself.

I just asked a question, because you seemed to me to take my comments a
little too personally.

> Your "respect" comments were of course folded around your negative
> ones, but your intent was clearly to proffer the latter.

Yes, because I think that the good eggs, who are much more numerous,
don't so enough to reign in the few bad ones, and as unfair as it is, a
few bad apples do ruin the bunch in the eyes of many.

> I've been
> disgusted over time with your signal-to-noise ratio in the groups you
> haunt, but have never been moved to comment on it until now.

Ah, so it wasn't this particular thread that has hit a raw nerve, it is
your general disdain of me, and my opinions, this tread was just the
straw that broke the camel's back. Thanks for clearing that up for us.
I only haunt this one group, while making the occasional cameo
appearances in other groups. It's been my experience that those that
are most "disgusted" by my opinions are those that are frustrated
because they cannot rationally & logically dispute them.

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kurttrail

February 13th 04, 10:23 PM

Malke wrote:

> kurttrail wrote:
>
>> Malke wrote:
>>
>>> purplehaz wrote:
>>>
>>>> kurttrail wrote:
>>>>> purplehaz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ahhhh........ the price of being a rebel......... (but I wouldn't
>>>>>> live my life any other way)
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't be recognized for
>>>>> all
>>>>> the help you given to others here. And quite frankly, had the
>>>>> powers to be actually saw that Malke posts here using Linux, I not
>>>>> all that certain that he would have been chosen, although I
>>>>> certainly agree with him being chosen as a MVP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep up the good work!
>>>>
>>>> Ya I agree. I respect most of the mvp's and the mvp program is
>>>> great, but what can you do. I help because I actually like to,
>>>> that's enough for me. LOL - now that is funny. I didn't realize
>>>> malke uses linux when he's posting here. I'll have to look at his
>>>> properties. That's just too funny. Maybe I'll start posting using
>>>> thunderbird newsreader(mozilla), I just downloaded it yesterday,
>>>> but haven't tried it yet. Anyway, thanks for the kind words.
>>>
>>> Hey, I'm a "she" not a "he". And I happen to know that the awarders
>>> knew that I post from The Dark Side. They also knew that the only MS
>>> os's I *don't* have boxen actively running are NT4, WinME, and
>>> Server(foo). But yes, this is posted in KNode under KDE, using SUSE
>>> 9.0 Pro, and I've said that before so it has never been a secret.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the compliments, though.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Malke
>>
>> Sorry Malke, I've never been exactly sure if you were male or female.
>> I'll make sure in the future that I use the correct pronoun.
>>
> Oh, that's quite all right. If I were sensitive about little stuff
> like that, I'd never post on Usenet! ;-)
>
> Malke (means "Queen" in Hebrew, which is As It Should Be)

Well, I know quite a few guys that could be called a "Queen." ;-)

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Mark Tangard

February 13th 04, 11:01 PM

> Ah, so it wasn't this particular thread that has hit a raw nerve, it is
> your general disdain of me, and my opinions, this tread was just the
> straw that broke the camel's back. Thanks for clearing that up for us.

Neither hit any nerves, the camel's back is fine, and your behavior is
hardly a notable distraction. Again, you flatter yourself.

> I only haunt this one group, while making the occasional cameo
> appearances in other groups. It's been my experience that those that
> are most "disgusted" by my opinions are those that are frustrated
> because they cannot rationally & logically dispute them.

Reveling in infamy is really just pathetic.

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purplehaz

February 13th 04, 11:21 PM

kurttrail wrote:
> It's been my experience that those that
> are most "disgusted" by my opinions are those that are frustrated
> because they cannot rationally & logically dispute them.

Kurt, man you are right on again as usual.

kurttrail

February 13th 04, 11:45 PM

Mark Tangard wrote:

> kurttrail wrote:
>
>> I respect most of the MVPs I encounter
>
> This hardly matches your first comment on this thread, which pretty
> bluntly implies that MVPs take great pains to publicly agree with
> Microsoft's views no matter what:
>
> > Just make sure that if your opinion differs from that of MS, then
> > don't express your opinion. MS really doesn't like it when people
> > post things that doesn't follow the party line.

This comment was in relation to the OP's query about becoming an MVP, not an
indictment of those who already are MVPs. Had Malke been a fervent Linux
advocate, I doubt SHE would be an MVP today.

> That comment defames the vast majority of MVPs, who do what we do
> simply because it jazzes us to help people understand things they
> previously didn't.

That's just the way you took it, coming from me. When seen in relation as a
response to the OP's query, and in relation to my comment that I respect
most of the MVPs I've encountered, I think most people wouldn't see it the
same way as you, as I don't think that most MVPs or the rest of the people
that frequent this group have feelings of "disgust" towards me. While there
aren't any MVPs that are willing to publically jump on my Anti-PA bandwagon,
I have been contacted privately by quite a few that have thanked me for my
continuing advocacy against it.

> One might ask how you could possibly "respect
> most" of a group that you hours earlier claimed falls mainly into the
> opposite category.

Where the hell did I say that? Please quote it where I claimed that most
MVPs aren't worthy of my respect.

> Face it, you made a overbroad and unjustifiably
> negative statement at the beginning of this thread -- possibly just
> to see if it would stand.

Nope, just warning the OP about what I've personally seen happen in this
group. The attack dogs get rewarded while others that have helped out all
the time are left out. I've seen too many people leave here just because of
this. But again, you misunderstood what I wrote was about becoming a MVP,
not about the majority of those who are already MVPs. You guys should
police your own bad eggs, but if ya'll don't, I'll be more than happy do it
for ya'll. Bruce Chambers, Carey Frisch, Ken Blake, Jupiter Jones, Harry
Ohrn, and a few more I'm probably leaving out, do a good enough job of
besmirching the name of all MVPs, than anything I'll ever say.

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kurttrail

February 14th 04, 12:41 AM

purplehaz wrote:

> kurttrail wrote:
>> It's been my experience that those that
>> are most "disgusted" by my opinions are those that are frustrated
>> because they cannot rationally & logically dispute them.
>
> Kurt, man you are right on again as usual.

No, you're wrong, purp. Didn't you read the comments of the MVP, it was
just a pathetic "reveling in infamy." <vbg>

Thanks!

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kurttrail

February 14th 04, 12:42 AM

Mark Tangard wrote:

>> Ah, so it wasn't this particular thread that has hit a raw nerve, it
>> is your general disdain of me, and my opinions, this tread was just
>> the straw that broke the camel's back. Thanks for clearing that up
>> for us.
>
> Neither hit any nerves, the camel's back is fine, and your behavior is
> hardly a notable distraction. Again, you flatter yourself.

And you are just fooling yourself, as you have already outed your own
feelings about me. "Disgust" is a very strong emotion to feel for someone
that is "hardly a notable distraction." You have every right to lie to
yourself, but that doesn't mean anybody else will believe you.

>
>> I only haunt this one group, while making the occasional cameo
>> appearances in other groups. It's been my experience that those that
>> are most "disgusted" by my opinions are those that are frustrated
>> because they cannot rationally & logically dispute them.
>
> Reveling in infamy is really just pathetic.

Well, I was born on Dec. 7th. ;-) But I'd hardly call my statement
"reveling," I was just stating what has been my experience. And I think I'm
in a much better position to describe MY experience than you are, since you
are not me, and haven't experienced the world through my eyes. Being a MVP
doesn't give you psychic abilities, does it?

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Rick S.

February 14th 04, 03:22 AM

Thank you all for the various opinions on MVP's. I agree with some, but not
all opinions.
But then that is just as it should be. Right?
Wheter a person is "Por Microsoft" or not doesn't matter a whole lot when
the bottom line is just to help in product problems and solutions. All
opinions should be weighed for the value of that help, not the value of that
persons opinion of MS or any other company.
Again Thanks Guys (and Gals)
Rick S.

kurttrail

February 14th 04, 03:42 AM

Rick S. wrote:

> Thank you all for the various opinions on MVP's. I agree with some,
> but not all opinions.
> But then that is just as it should be. Right?
> Wheter a person is "Por Microsoft" or not doesn't matter a whole lot
> when the bottom line is just to help in product problems and
> solutions. All opinions should be weighed for the value of that help,
> not the value of that persons opinion of MS or any other company.
> Again Thanks Guys (and Gals)
> Rick S.

Boy, this thread has really strayed a bit, huh? It's all your fault! ;-)

Good Luck, Rick.

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Mark Tangard

February 14th 04, 04:21 AM

>>One might ask how you could possibly "respect
>>most" of a group that you hours earlier claimed falls mainly into the
>>opposite category.
>
> Where the hell did I say that? Please quote it where I claimed that most
> MVPs aren't worthy of my respect.

The passage quoted in the very same post, the meat of your first
follow-up, says it all, albeit sleazily:

> Just make sure that if your opinion differs from that of MS, then
> don't express your opinion. MS really doesn't like it when people
> post things that doesn't follow the party line.

If you can assert that such cowardice is a quality of those worthy of
your respect, I hope I never trip over your universe.

> you misunderstood what I wrote was about becoming a MVP,
> not about the majority of those who are already MVPs.

Semantics ballet. Those who become MVPs *are* MVPs. Duh.

> You guys should police your own bad eggs

Oh, rubbish. I'm here to help ordinary users. I'm not interested in
monitoring the behavior of others who've received the same award, let
alone punishing those who (according to you) behave badly. MVPhood
incurs no obligation to purify the title. Seems a rather Nazi-like idea
in any case.

> but if ya'll don't, I'll be more than happy do it for ya'll.

As I've said, if *my* life were that empty....

> Bruce Chambers, Carey Frisch, Ken Blake, Jupiter Jones, Harry
> Ohrn

Funny, I haven't heard of any of those folks, and I'm familiar with
probably 100 MVPs by name. Maybe you focus your ire pointlessly. Or
maybe you think you've done good if anyone at all reacts, so you choose
targets you know will froth at your barbs. The smirking-bad-boy
syndrome can get insufferable very fast and requires no skill.

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Rick S.

February 14th 04, 05:42 AM

Well,
All I can say is this is a most active group!
Much expression and just a touch of "Straying off topic", but I appreciate
the attention to detail.
Thanks Group
Rick S.

remove the plus to reply...........

Larry Samuels

February 14th 04, 05:42 AM

If that were true I definitely would have never been awarded MVP status.

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"kurttrail" > wrote in message
...
> Just make sure that if your opinion differs from that of MS, then don't
> express your opinion. MS really doesn't like it when people post things
> that doesn't follow the party line.
>
> --
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>
>

Larry Samuels

February 14th 04, 06:03 AM

purplehaz,

Email me when you get a chance please. My posting address is real.

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"purplehaz" > wrote in message
...
> kurttrail wrote:
>> purplehaz wrote:
>>
>>> Ahhhh........ the price of being a rebel......... (but I wouldn't
>>> live my life any other way)
>>
>> Yeah, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't be recognized for all
>> the help you given to others here. And quite frankly, had the powers
>> to be actually saw that Malke posts here using Linux, I not all that
>> certain that he would have been chosen, although I certainly agree
>> with him being chosen as a MVP.
>>
>> Keep up the good work!
>
> Ya I agree. I respect most of the mvp's and the mvp program is great, but
> what can you do. I help because I actually like to, that's enough for me.
> LOL - now that is funny. I didn't realize malke uses linux when he's
> posting
> here. I'll have to look at his properties. That's just too funny. Maybe
> I'll
> start posting using thunderbird newsreader(mozilla), I just downloaded it
> yesterday, but haven't tried it yet. Anyway, thanks for the kind words.
>
>

purplehaz

February 14th 04, 01:01 PM

kurttrail wrote:
> purplehaz wrote:
>
>> kurttrail wrote:
>>> It's been my experience that those that
>>> are most "disgusted" by my opinions are those that are frustrated
>>> because they cannot rationally & logically dispute them.
>>
>> Kurt, man you are right on again as usual.
>
> No, you're wrong, purp. Didn't you read the comments of the MVP, it
> was just a pathetic "reveling in infamy." <vbg>
>
> Thanks!

LOL -- ya I read it. Since I can't sleep this morning I came here. Nice to
get a chuckle in the morning.

kurttrail

February 14th 04, 04:01 PM

Mark Tangard wrote:

>>> One might ask how you could possibly "respect
>>> most" of a group that you hours earlier claimed falls mainly into
>>> the opposite category.
>>
>> Where the hell did I say that? Please quote it where I claimed that
>> most MVPs aren't worthy of my respect.
>
> The passage quoted in the very same post, the meat of your first
> follow-up, says it all, albeit sleazily:
>
> > Just make sure that if your opinion differs from that of MS, then
> > don't express your opinion. MS really doesn't like it when people
> > post things that doesn't follow the party line.
>
> If you can assert that such cowardice is a quality of those worthy of
> your respect, I hope I never trip over your universe.
>
>> you misunderstood what I wrote was about becoming a MVP,
>> not about the majority of those who are already MVPs.
>
> Semantics ballet. Those who become MVPs *are* MVPs. Duh.
>
>> You guys should police your own bad eggs
>
> Oh, rubbish. I'm here to help ordinary users. I'm not interested in
> monitoring the behavior of others who've received the same award, let
> alone punishing those who (according to you) behave badly. MVPhood
> incurs no obligation to purify the title. Seems a rather Nazi-like
> idea in any case.
>
>> but if ya'll don't, I'll be more than happy do it for ya'll.
>
> As I've said, if *my* life were that empty....
>
>> Bruce Chambers, Carey Frisch, Ken Blake, Jupiter Jones, Harry
>> Ohrn
>
> Funny, I haven't heard of any of those folks, and I'm familiar with
> probably 100 MVPs by name. Maybe you focus your ire pointlessly. Or
> maybe you think you've done good if anyone at all reacts, so you
> choose targets you know will froth at your barbs. The
> smirking-bad-boy syndrome can get insufferable very fast and requires
> no skill.

Whatever. Don't worry about the rotten apples in your bunch. Hide your
head in the sand. Keep quiet. Just like the German people did to allow the
Nazi's to take control over Germany. [Remember you are the one that brought
the Nazi's into this]

Anyway, if the OP wants to become a MVP today, he shouldn't go posting too
many negative comments about MS, like I do. Practical advise. Just like if
you want a raise at work, but you think your boss is an a**hole, you don't
go around calling your boss an a**hole. A tactical retreat isn't
necessarily cowardice; it may be one's only practical course of action.

Again, I've seemed to have touched something off in you, without meaning to.
You've read way too much into two sentences, bringing your own emotional
inadequacies to the forefront.

If my "behavior is hardly a notable distraction," then why, oh why, have you
spent so much time and emotional energy making note of it in this thread?

"If my life were that empty, I'd kill myself."

If I were you, I'd seek professional help for your suicidal tendencies.

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Mark Tangard

February 15th 04, 05:43 AM

> Whatever. Don't worry about the rotten apples in your bunch. Hide your
> head in the sand. Keep quiet. Just like the German people did to allow the
> Nazi's to take control over Germany. [Remember you are the one that brought
> the Nazi's into this]

You can't be serious. These are people I've never even heard of, but
according to you I should use my (nonexistent) authority to seek them
out and muzzle them. And in your universe this would not be at all
Nazi-like. Break out the nerfballs.

> Anyway, if the OP wants to become a MVP today, he shouldn't go posting too
> many negative comments about MS, like I do.

Gee, I've posted plenty and something different happened to me. The MVP
award is, after all, conferred by an entity you despise, and is given to
recognize qualities you don't seem interested in demonstrating. So I
don't see why anyone's desire for it should mean squat to you. Maybe
you were passed over for being pointlessly abrasive and spending more
time badmouthing software than offering help. You probably don't see
how tired it is. Others do. Your answer to the OP said nothing at all
of value to the OP, but it did manage to gratuitously insult the vast
majority of current MVPs.

> Again, I've seemed to have touched something off in you, without meaning to.
> You've read way too much into two sentences, bringing your own emotional
> inadequacies to the forefront.

Riiiiight. And someone who posts continual spitballs almost entirely to
validate his life-defining animosity is of course stable as hell and not
the least bit reminiscent of Don Quixote.

> If my "behavior is hardly a notable distraction," then why, oh why, have you
> spent so much time and emotional energy making note of it in this thread?

Oh please. I've spent barely 15 minutes on the entire thread. I don't
labor over any of this. If you do, well, again, if my life were that
empty....

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kurttrail

February 15th 04, 03:02 PM

Mark Tangard wrote:

>> Whatever. Don't worry about the rotten apples in your bunch. Hide
>> your head in the sand. Keep quiet. Just like the German people did
>> to allow the Nazi's to take control over Germany. [Remember you are
>> the one that brought the Nazi's into this]
>
> You can't be serious. These are people I've never even heard of, but
> according to you I should use my (nonexistent) authority to seek them
> out and muzzle them. And in your universe this would not be at all
> Nazi-like. Break out the nerfballs.

"I've seen that, rarely. And what I've noticed, and what any moron would
notice, is that those people aren't well regarded."

But you have seen it, and have done nothing about. Left it up to the noobs
to figure out for themselves.

>> Anyway, if the OP wants to become a MVP today, he shouldn't go
>> posting too many negative comments about MS, like I do.
>
> Gee, I've posted plenty and something different happened to me. The
> MVP award is, after all, conferred by an entity you despise, and is
> given to recognize qualities you don't seem interested in
> demonstrating. So I don't see why anyone's desire for it should mean
> squat to you.

Sorry, I don't spend any emotional energy, except for ridiculing MS. And
that's just way to easy to do now-a-days.

> Maybe you were passed over for being pointlessly
> abrasive and spending more time badmouthing software than offering
> help.

I do both. I help out people here when I can, and I ridicule MS when ever
possible, but I would turn it down if MVP was ever offered me. I'm here to
help my fellow consumers from getting ripped off from a convicted predatory
monopoly, not to help feed the problem, the greed of MS.

> You probably don't see how tired it is. Others do.

LOL! It is tiring for those that have no viable legal argument to dispute
me. Time and again people have come up against me, and not one has been
able to show on what legal foundation MS EULA claim of One Computer gives
them the right to strip private individuals of their "fair use" rights in
their home.

> Your
> answer to the OP said nothing at all of value to the OP, but it did
> manage to gratuitously insult the vast majority of current MVPs.

Seemingly only you. And I've already showed the value of my words, but you
snipped them from this reply! I've added them back in below.

:: Just like if you want a raise at work, but you think your
:: boss is an a**hole, you don't go around calling your boss an a**hole.
:: A tactical retreat isn't necessarily cowardice; it may be one's only
:: practical course of action.

I had to add this back in, and you didn't have the common decency to even
acknowledge your slashing. Now that's COWARDLY! Pick, choose, & chop! Now
that's one of the tactics of one those few scumbag MVPs. Just cut up the
guy you're replying to, and hide the meat of the post from your view and
from your reply!

>> Again, I've seemed to have touched something off in you, without
>> meaning to. You've read way too much into two sentences, bringing
>> your own emotional inadequacies to the forefront.
>
> Riiiiight. And someone who posts continual spitballs almost entirely
> to validate his life-defining animosity is of course stable as hell
> and not the least bit reminiscent of Don Quixote.

Unfortunately for you & MS, my "spitballs" are loaded with the truth.

I still can't believe that you've spent 6 replies on two sentences, that
meant so little to me to begin with. But as you have shown, this is less
about those two sentences and more about how you feel about me. It's
evidenced by your snipping my explanation of those two sentences from this
reply, and spending this whole post on me, and showing the false bravado of
a coward.

>> If my "behavior is hardly a notable distraction," then why, oh why,
>> have you spent so much time and emotional energy making note of it
>> in this thread?
>
> Oh please. I've spent barely 15 minutes on the entire thread. I
> don't labor over any of this.

Yet you've now spent 6 replies doing nothing but noting on my behavior, but
you've also demonstrated to us all that you hold a lot of rancor for me.

> If you do, well, again, if my life
> were that empty....
>
:: "If my life were that empty, I'd kill myself."
::
:: If I were you, I'd seek professional help for your suicidal
:: tendencies.

That's right you snipped the last two sentences without letting everyone no
that you edited them out again, COWARD!

ROFL! And you thought my two sentences painted MVPs as cowards, but all
you've ended up doing is proving yourself to truly be a coward by your own
actions.

You seem to say "If my life were that empty . . . ." an awful lot. I think
you are really subconsciously trying to tell us that your life is that empty
that you think about suicide all the time. It's nothing but a cry for help.
How sad! Well, I'd like to amend my previous advice to you, so here is my
new advice to you:

*J* *U* *M* *P* *!*

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Peace!
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