files access denied

[namsilat]

I have several files that I cannot modify (delete, rename, etc). When
I try to, the error message "access denied make sure disk is not full
or write protected" pops up. I am using the Home edition, and I am the
only user of this computer. There doesn't seem to be any pattern to
which files are inovlved. I already did chkdsk and surface scan,
didn't correct the problem. I do not believe the problem has anything
to do with security setting, since I am the only user. The only
interesting thing is, those files are all on drive D, which is the
second partition of the main hard drive (C and D are partition of this
hard drive). I don't know if that's related. I can't understand why XP
has trouble with disk operation of these files.

[namsilat]

I just check Microsoft XP's support site and found an article in
knowledge base on this. At end of the article it says this:

STATUS
Microsoft has confirmed that this is a problem in the Microsoft
products that are listed at the beginning of this article.

What exactly does this mean? Does it mean they confirmed the problem
but has no exact clue how this occurs and hence no solution?

[Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows Shell/User\)]

This sounds like a file ownership issue related to NTFS. Note, file
ownership and permissions supersede administrator rights. How you resolve
it depends upon which version of XP you are running.



XP-Home



Unfortunately, XP Home using NTFS is essentially hard wired for "Simple File
Sharing" at system level.

However, you can set XP Home permissions in Safe Mode. Reboot, and start
hitting F8, a menu should eventually appear and one of the
options is Safe Mode. Select it. Note, it will ask for the administrator's
password. This is not your administrator account, rather it is the
machine's administrator account for which users are asked to create a
password during setup.

If you created no such password, when requested, leave blank and press
enter.

Open Explorer, go to Tools and Folder Options, on the view tab, scroll to
the bottom of the list, if it shows "Enable Simple File Sharing" deselect it
and click apply and ok. If it shows nothing or won't let you make a change,
move on to the next step.

Navigate to the files, right click, select properties, go to the Security
tab, click advanced, go to the Owner tab and select the user that was logged
on when you were refused permission to access the files. Click apply and
ok. Close the properties box, reopen it, click add and type in the name of
the user you just enabled. If you wish to set ownership for everything in
the folder, at the bottom of the Owner tab is the following selection:
"Replace owner on subcontainers and objects," select it as well.

Once complete, you should be able to do what you wish with these files when
you log back on as that user.



XP-Pro



If you have XP Pro, temporarily change the limited account to
administrative. First, go to Windows Explorer, go to Tools, select Folder
Options, go to the View tab and be sure "Use Simple File Sharing" is not
selected. If it is, deselect it and click apply and ok.



If you wish everything in a specific folder to be accessible to a user,
right click the folder, select properties, go to the Security tab, click
Advanced, go to the Owner tab,
select the user you wish to have access, at the bottom of the box, you
should see a check box for "Replace owner on subcontainers and objects,"
place a check in the box and click apply and ok.

The user should now be able to perform necessary functions on files in the
folder even as a limited account. If not, make it an admin account again,
right click the folder, select Properties, go to the Security tab and be
sure the user is listed in the user list. If not, click add and type the
user name in the appropriate box, be sure the user has all the necessary
permissions checked in the permission list below the user list, click apply
and ok.

That should do it and allow whatever access you desire for that folder even
in a limited account.


--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
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"namsilat" > wrote in message
...
>I have several files that I cannot modify (delete, rename, etc). When
> I try to, the error message "access denied make sure disk is not full
> or write protected" pops up. I am using the Home edition, and I am the
> only user of this computer. There doesn't seem to be any pattern to
> which files are inovlved. I already did chkdsk and surface scan,
> didn't correct the problem. I do not believe the problem has anything
> to do with security setting, since I am the only user. The only
> interesting thing is, those files are all on drive D, which is the
> second partition of the main hard drive (C and D are partition of this
> hard drive). I don't know if that's related. I can't understand why XP
> has trouble with disk operation of these files.

[CS]

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:18:55 GMT, namsilat >
wrote:

>I have several files that I cannot modify (delete, rename, etc). When
>I try to, the error message "access denied make sure disk is not full
>or write protected" pops up. I am using the Home edition, and I am the
>only user of this computer. There doesn't seem to be any pattern to
>which files are inovlved. I already did chkdsk and surface scan,
>didn't correct the problem. I do not believe the problem has anything
>to do with security setting, since I am the only user. The only
>interesting thing is, those files are all on drive D, which is the
>second partition of the main hard drive (C and D are partition of this
>hard drive). I don't know if that's related. I can't understand why XP
>has trouble with disk operation of these files.

You need to take ownership of those files first before the system
allows access. Use your help and support to learn how to take
ownership.

[namsilat]

Under foler option, I could not even find the option "enable simple
file sharing". Is there a way to prevent files from being "trapped"
into "access denied", or is it an issue I have live with under NTFS?





On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:32:42 -0800, "Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows
Shell/User\)" > wrote:

>
>This sounds like a file ownership issue related to NTFS. Note, file
>ownership and permissions supersede administrator rights. How you resolve
>it depends upon which version of XP you are running.
>
>
>
>XP-Home
>
>
>
>Unfortunately, XP Home using NTFS is essentially hard wired for "Simple File
>Sharing" at system level.
>
>However, you can set XP Home permissions in Safe Mode. Reboot, and start
>hitting F8, a menu should eventually appear and one of the
>options is Safe Mode. Select it. Note, it will ask for the administrator's
>password. This is not your administrator account, rather it is the
>machine's administrator account for which users are asked to create a
>password during setup.
>
>If you created no such password, when requested, leave blank and press
>enter.
>
>Open Explorer, go to Tools and Folder Options, on the view tab, scroll to
>the bottom of the list, if it shows "Enable Simple File Sharing" deselect it
>and click apply and ok. If it shows nothing or won't let you make a change,
>move on to the next step.
>
>Navigate to the files, right click, select properties, go to the Security
>tab, click advanced, go to the Owner tab and select the user that was logged
>on when you were refused permission to access the files. Click apply and
>ok. Close the properties box, reopen it, click add and type in the name of
>the user you just enabled. If you wish to set ownership for everything in
>the folder, at the bottom of the Owner tab is the following selection:
>"Replace owner on subcontainers and objects," select it as well.
>
>Once complete, you should be able to do what you wish with these files when
>you log back on as that user.
>
>
>
>XP-Pro
>
>
>
>If you have XP Pro, temporarily change the limited account to
>administrative. First, go to Windows Explorer, go to Tools, select Folder
>Options, go to the View tab and be sure "Use Simple File Sharing" is not
>selected. If it is, deselect it and click apply and ok.
>
>
>
>If you wish everything in a specific folder to be accessible to a user,
>right click the folder, select properties, go to the Security tab, click
>Advanced, go to the Owner tab,
>select the user you wish to have access, at the bottom of the box, you
>should see a check box for "Replace owner on subcontainers and objects,"
>place a check in the box and click apply and ok.
>
>The user should now be able to perform necessary functions on files in the
>folder even as a limited account. If not, make it an admin account again,
>right click the folder, select Properties, go to the Security tab and be
>sure the user is listed in the user list. If not, click add and type the
>user name in the appropriate box, be sure the user has all the necessary
>permissions checked in the permission list below the user list, click apply
>and ok.
>
>That should do it and allow whatever access you desire for that folder even
>in a limited account.

[Kelly]

HOW TO: Take Ownership of a File or Folder in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q308421

HOW TO: Set, View, Change, or Remove File and Folder Permissions
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q308/4/18.asp

HOW TO: Disable Simplified Sharing and Password-Protect a Shared Folder in
Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;q307874&

More information here:
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/win_xp_mydocs.htm

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP

In memory of Robert McGregor (aka Koldbear)
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/winhelp.htm

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"namsilat" > wrote in message
...
> Under foler option, I could not even find the option "enable simple
> file sharing". Is there a way to prevent files from being "trapped"
> into "access denied", or is it an issue I have live with under NTFS?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:32:42 -0800, "Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows
> Shell/User\)" > wrote:
>
>>
>>This sounds like a file ownership issue related to NTFS. Note, file
>>ownership and permissions supersede administrator rights. How you resolve
>>it depends upon which version of XP you are running.
>>
>>
>>
>>XP-Home
>>
>>
>>
>>Unfortunately, XP Home using NTFS is essentially hard wired for "Simple
>>File
>>Sharing" at system level.
>>
>>However, you can set XP Home permissions in Safe Mode. Reboot, and start
>>hitting F8, a menu should eventually appear and one of the
>>options is Safe Mode. Select it. Note, it will ask for the
>>administrator's
>>password. This is not your administrator account, rather it is the
>>machine's administrator account for which users are asked to create a
>>password during setup.
>>
>>If you created no such password, when requested, leave blank and press
>>enter.
>>
>>Open Explorer, go to Tools and Folder Options, on the view tab, scroll to
>>the bottom of the list, if it shows "Enable Simple File Sharing" deselect
>>it
>>and click apply and ok. If it shows nothing or won't let you make a
>>change,
>>move on to the next step.
>>
>>Navigate to the files, right click, select properties, go to the Security
>>tab, click advanced, go to the Owner tab and select the user that was
>>logged
>>on when you were refused permission to access the files. Click apply and
>>ok. Close the properties box, reopen it, click add and type in the name
>>of
>>the user you just enabled. If you wish to set ownership for everything in
>>the folder, at the bottom of the Owner tab is the following selection:
>>"Replace owner on subcontainers and objects," select it as well.
>>
>>Once complete, you should be able to do what you wish with these files
>>when
>>you log back on as that user.
>>
>>
>>
>>XP-Pro
>>
>>
>>
>>If you have XP Pro, temporarily change the limited account to
>>administrative. First, go to Windows Explorer, go to Tools, select Folder
>>Options, go to the View tab and be sure "Use Simple File Sharing" is not
>>selected. If it is, deselect it and click apply and ok.
>>
>>
>>
>>If you wish everything in a specific folder to be accessible to a user,
>>right click the folder, select properties, go to the Security tab, click
>>Advanced, go to the Owner tab,
>>select the user you wish to have access, at the bottom of the box, you
>>should see a check box for "Replace owner on subcontainers and objects,"
>>place a check in the box and click apply and ok.
>>
>>The user should now be able to perform necessary functions on files in the
>>folder even as a limited account. If not, make it an admin account again,
>>right click the folder, select Properties, go to the Security tab and be
>>sure the user is listed in the user list. If not, click add and type the
>>user name in the appropriate box, be sure the user has all the necessary
>>permissions checked in the permission list below the user list, click
>>apply
>>and ok.
>>
>>That should do it and allow whatever access you desire for that folder
>>even
>>in a limited account.
>