I am "OPENLY ADVOCATING" for Bruce to be removed as a MVP!

[kurttrail]

Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User, and create a new
MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows - FUD/Propaganda/Outright Lies!"

And all you rational MVPs out there that value that the truth to be told in
these groups should be horrified that an Outright Liar is one of your
number. By not publicly rebuking him, you only condone his lies here in
this group, and only encourage and embolden Bruce and his ilk to further
such reprehensible acts. Bruce's lying reflects on you all, as long as he
is one you.

I know that there are many of you MVPs of good conscience out there, it's
time for you to speak up, and reclaim some of the honor that Bruce and his
kind have lost ya'll.

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[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

If you believed what you just posted was truly correct, you would take
this to the correct forum.
However since you know the correct forum and still choose to bring it
here, it is apparent all you really want to do is sling mud.

Good by kurttrail.

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"kurttrail" > wrote in
message ...
> Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User, and
create a new
> MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows -
FUD/Propaganda/Outright Lies!"
>
> And all you rational MVPs out there that value that the truth to be
told in
> these groups should be horrified that an Outright Liar is one of
your
> number. By not publicly rebuking him, you only condone his lies
here in
> this group, and only encourage and embolden Bruce and his ilk to
further
> such reprehensible acts. Bruce's lying reflects on you all, as long
as he
> is one you.
>
> I know that there are many of you MVPs of good conscience out there,
it's
> time for you to speak up, and reclaim some of the honor that Bruce
and his
> kind have lost ya'll.
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> XXXXXXXXXXX
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

[Jim Macklin]

Have you had your Prozac today?


"kurttrail" >
wrote in message
...
| Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User,
and create a new
| MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows -
FUD/Propaganda/Outright Lies!"
|
| And all you rational MVPs out there that value that the
truth to be told in
| these groups should be horrified that an Outright Liar is
one of your
| number. By not publicly rebuking him, you only condone
his lies here in
| this group, and only encourage and embolden Bruce and his
ilk to further
| such reprehensible acts. Bruce's lying reflects on you
all, as long as he
| is one you.
|
| I know that there are many of you MVPs of good conscience
out there, it's
| time for you to speak up, and reclaim some of the honor
that Bruce and his
| kind have lost ya'll.
|
| --
| Peace!
| Kurt
| Self-anointed Moderator
| microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
| http://microscum.com
| "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an
Oxymoron!
| "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
|
|
|

[GwD]

A little too much espresso today?

Try Decaf!




"kurttrail" > wrote in message
...
> Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User, and create a
new
> MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows - FUD/Propaganda/Outright
Lies!"
>
> And all you rational MVPs out there that value that the truth to be told
in
> these groups should be horrified that an Outright Liar is one of your
> number. By not publicly rebuking him, you only condone his lies here in
> this group, and only encourage and embolden Bruce and his ilk to further
> such reprehensible acts. Bruce's lying reflects on you all, as long as he
> is one you.
>
> I know that there are many of you MVPs of good conscience out there, it's
> time for you to speak up, and reclaim some of the honor that Bruce and his
> kind have lost ya'll.
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>
>
>

[SayWhat]

Is he actually an MVP? I've haven't seen any indication that he is.

If I were a business I certainly wouldn't want anybody that was
representing me to be making the kind of statements that he has made.
And, certainly, if he's going to discuss these issues I would demand
that he leave the anger and hostility out of the discussion and simply
discuss the facts.

Slander has no place in business.

Or, maybe, is he making his statements at Microsoft's direction? I'd be
interested in knowing. In any event, if he is an MVP, then his
statements ARE attributable to Microsoft unless Microsoft does something
to stop them.

Frankly, regardless of what you think of kurttrail, I agree that Bruce
Chambers owes kurttrail an apology.

Peter


kurttrail wrote:
> Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User, and create a new
> MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows - FUD/Propaganda/Outright Lies!"
>
> And all you rational MVPs out there that value that the truth to be told in
> these groups should be horrified that an Outright Liar is one of your
> number. By not publicly rebuking him, you only condone his lies here in
> this group, and only encourage and embolden Bruce and his ilk to further
> such reprehensible acts. Bruce's lying reflects on you all, as long as he
> is one you.
>
> I know that there are many of you MVPs of good conscience out there, it's
> time for you to speak up, and reclaim some of the honor that Bruce and his
> kind have lost ya'll.
>

[Jim Macklin]

Is Peter your new spoofed name?


"SayWhat" > wrote in message
...
| Is he actually an MVP? I've haven't seen any indication
that he is.
|
| If I were a business I certainly wouldn't want anybody
that was
| representing me to be making the kind of statements that
he has made.
| And, certainly, if he's going to discuss these issues I
would demand
| that he leave the anger and hostility out of the
discussion and simply
| discuss the facts.
|
| Slander has no place in business.
|
| Or, maybe, is he making his statements at Microsoft's
direction? I'd be
| interested in knowing. In any event, if he is an MVP,
then his
| statements ARE attributable to Microsoft unless Microsoft
does something
| to stop them.
|
| Frankly, regardless of what you think of kurttrail, I
agree that Bruce
| Chambers owes kurttrail an apology.
|
| Peter
|
|
| kurttrail wrote:
| > Or at the very least remove him from Windows -
Shell/User, and create a new
| > MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows -
FUD/Propaganda/Outright Lies!"
| >
| > And all you rational MVPs out there that value that the
truth to be told in
| > these groups should be horrified that an Outright Liar
is one of your
| > number. By not publicly rebuking him, you only condone
his lies here in
| > this group, and only encourage and embolden Bruce and
his ilk to further
| > such reprehensible acts. Bruce's lying reflects on you
all, as long as he
| > is one you.
| >
| > I know that there are many of you MVPs of good
conscience out there, it's
| > time for you to speak up, and reclaim some of the honor
that Bruce and his
| > kind have lost ya'll.
| >
|

[kurttrail]

Jim Macklin wrote:

> Have you had your Prozac today?

I only regularly use the drugs that Mother Nature provides, but thanks for
your concern about my mental well-being. I'm doing just great, since you're
so interested in the minor details of my life. It was an absolutey gorgeous
day here in sunny Florida, and I had a rather pleasant day.

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[kurttrail]

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> If you believed what you just posted was truly correct, you would take
> this to the correct forum.

And that would be? This is the group it happened on, and MS does monitor
these groups. MS should take responsiblity for the actions of those they
honor with a MVP Award.

> However since you know the correct forum and still choose to bring it
> here, it is apparent all you really want to do is sling mud.

Oh, you mean sue Bruce. LOL! Why would I waste my time and money on that,
when I can take care of it in this court of public opinion.

>
> "kurttrail" > wrote in
> message ...
>> Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User, and
>> create a new MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows -
>> FUD/Propaganda/Outright Lies!"
>>
>> And all you rational MVPs out there that value that the truth to be
>> told in these groups should be horrified that an Outright Liar is
>> one of your number. By not publicly rebuking him, you only condone
>> his lies here in this group, and only encourage and embolden Bruce
>> and his ilk to further such reprehensible acts. Bruce's lying
>> reflects on you all, as long as he is one you.
>>
>> I know that there are many of you MVPs of good conscience out there,
>> it's time for you to speak up, and reclaim some of the honor that
>> Bruce and his kind have lost ya'll.
>>
>> --
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>> Self-anointed Moderator
>> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
>> XXXXXXXXXXX
>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

Silly child! Do you really think you accomplish anything by selectively
censoring my url from my sig, except show every rational person here that
you are one of the MVPs that would be just like Bruce, willing to stoop to
lowest depths for your precious convicted predatory monopoly!

I use OE quotefix to rip-off every person's sig, that is standard sig
format, from my replies, so there is nothing wrong with removing sigs in and
of itself, but going out of your way to change MY words in your reply shows
what a scumbag you really are!

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[kurttrail]

GwD wrote:

> A little too much espresso today?

I prefer cappacino, but I only had a couple of cups of regular Columbian
coffee this morning, Extra Light & Extra Sweet.

>
> Try Decaf!

Sorry, but I don't use products that are just a knock-offs of the real
thing.

I use real cane sugar, butter, whole milk (half & half for coffee and
cereals), and smoke real cigarettes, not those light tastless cigs.

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[kurttrail]

Jim Macklin wrote:

> Is Peter your new spoofed name?

Huh? Jim, you really aren't funny. That guy tried to talk rationally to
the group, and that was the best thing you could think of to reply to him?

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[kurttrail]

SayWhat wrote:

> Is he actually an MVP? I've haven't seen any indication that he is.

Certainly not by his actions here, that's for sure.

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;en-us;mvpaward&style=toc

Look under Windows - Shell/User

>
> If I were a business I certainly wouldn't want anybody that was
> representing me to be making the kind of statements that he has made.
> And, certainly, if he's going to discuss these issues I would demand
> that he leave the anger and hostility out of the discussion and simply
> discuss the facts.
>
> Slander has no place in business.
>
> Or, maybe, is he making his statements at Microsoft's direction? I'd
> be interested in knowing. In any event, if he is an MVP, then his
> statements ARE attributable to Microsoft unless Microsoft does
> something to stop them.
>
> Frankly, regardless of what you think of kurttrail, I agree that Bruce
> Chambers owes kurttrail an apology.
>

Thank you for your kind words!

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[Never anonymous Bud]

While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "Jim Macklin"
> scribbled:

>Have you had your Prozac today?

Prozac doesn't help just plain assholes.





To reply by email, remove the XYZ.

Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.

This sig censored by the Office of Home and Land Insecurity....

[Never anonymous Bud]

While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', SayWhat >
scribbled:

>If I were a business I certainly wouldn't want anybody that was
>representing me to be making the kind of statements that he has made.

So, you'd rather be a business like Enron, who avoids the truth at all costs?





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[Allen]

Bruce does a fine job....
I'm not a fan of telling these bandits how to bypass passwords, etc......
but by and large Bruce does a great job...as all of the MVP's do......



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[kurttrail]

Never anonymous Bud wrote:

> While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "Jim Macklin"
> > scribbled:
>
>> Have you had your Prozac today?
>
> Prozac doesn't help just plain assholes.
>

And you would know that from your own personal experience, right? And while
am at it, why do you think that everyone you reply to is "still snuggled in
a 'spider hole'?" Projecting on others what you yourself are feeling
emotionally?

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[Jim Macklin]

Sure sounded a lot like your kybd.


"kurttrail" >
wrote in message
...
| Jim Macklin wrote:
|
| > Is Peter your new spoofed name?
|
| Huh? Jim, you really aren't funny. That guy tried to
talk rationally to
| the group, and that was the best thing you could think of
to reply to him?
|
| --
| Peace!
| Kurt
| Self-anointed Moderator
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| "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an
Oxymoron!
| "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
|
|

[kurttrail]

Never anonymous Bud wrote:

> While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', SayWhat
> > scribbled:
>
>> If I were a business I certainly wouldn't want anybody that was
>> representing me to be making the kind of statements that he has made.
>
> So, you'd rather be a business like Enron, who avoids the truth at
> all costs?

From Oct 20, 2001 - Dec 17, 2003, this was Bruce BS:

"As it has always been with all Microsoft operating systems, it's
necessary (to be in compliance with both the EULA and copyright laws, if
not technically) to purchase one WinXP license for each computer on
which it is installed." - http://tinyurl.com/hhjj

only changed to this Dec 19, 2003:

"As it has always been with all Microsoft operating systems,
it's necessary to be in compliance with both the EULA, if not
technically, to purchase one WinXP license for each computer on which
it is installed." - http://snipurl.com/4x5d

When I started with this Dec 30, 2002

http://snipurl.com/4zsp

And ended it with this Dec 15, 2003:

http://snipurl.com/4x5f

It took Bruce nearly a full year to change his tune after his fallacy was
exposed, and only did so after total public humiliation forced him to.

This would be the kind of person YOU would want to represent your company?
Good Luck!

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[invalid]

If slander has no place in busines, you have never seen lawyers in action!

"SayWhat" > wrote in message
...
> Is he actually an MVP? I've haven't seen any indication that he is.
>
> If I were a business I certainly wouldn't want anybody that was
> representing me to be making the kind of statements that he has made.
> And, certainly, if he's going to discuss these issues I would demand
> that he leave the anger and hostility out of the discussion and simply
> discuss the facts.
>
> Slander has no place in business.
>
> Or, maybe, is he making his statements at Microsoft's direction? I'd be
> interested in knowing. In any event, if he is an MVP, then his
> statements ARE attributable to Microsoft unless Microsoft does something
> to stop them.
>
> Frankly, regardless of what you think of kurttrail, I agree that Bruce
> Chambers owes kurttrail an apology.
>
> Peter
>
>
> kurttrail wrote:
> > Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User, and create a
new
> > MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows - FUD/Propaganda/Outright
Lies!"
> >
> > And all you rational MVPs out there that value that the truth to be told
in
> > these groups should be horrified that an Outright Liar is one of your
> > number. By not publicly rebuking him, you only condone his lies here in
> > this group, and only encourage and embolden Bruce and his ilk to further
> > such reprehensible acts. Bruce's lying reflects on you all, as long as
he
> > is one you.
> >
> > I know that there are many of you MVPs of good conscience out there,
it's
> > time for you to speak up, and reclaim some of the honor that Bruce and
his
> > kind have lost ya'll.
> >
>

[kurttrail]

Jim Macklin wrote:

> Sure sounded a lot like your kybd.

Yes. Rational human beings do sound rational. Irrational morons depend on
how things sound to them instead seeking the actual truth of the matter,
before they make total jackasss out of themselves.

A quick look at his header info would've showed you that he posted with
Mozilla thru AOL, and if you look at my headers, you will see that I post
mainly with OE thru my cable company, though you may see some headers with a
phone company's IP when I post from work.

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[kurttrail]

Allen wrote:

> Bruce does a fine job....
> I'm not a fan of telling these bandits how to bypass passwords,
> etc...... but by and large Bruce does a great job...as all of the
> MVP's do......

So that forgives his lies?

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[kurttrail]

someone wrote:

> well i don't see why you got this upset.

Hmm! For a guy that's about to go way off the friggin' topic of this
thread, I can see why you don't see why I you don't understand. And I'm far
from upset.

>
> firstly i reviewed some of the posts, and yeah you're both at each
> other. so what? that happens in an open forum. move on....

Except that I actually have the decency to answer him. The fool wants to
talk sh*t about me, but hides himself from my replies.

>
> also while reviewing your posts you stated that installing software
> on more than one machine is not illegal. that is so. the eula you are
> fond of quoting though doesn't prevent this. it covers "activating"
> on more than one machine as being a violation. also bypassing the
> activation system (ghosting/imaging an activated drive) to allow
> multiple installs. basically i find it quite funny that people to
> this day still protest that a company be paid for a product.

They were paid. What amazes me that people don't protest about paying for
the same copyrighted material more than once! If you had to buy the same
music CD for every different CD player you own, I bet we'd hear a lot more
protesting.

> the
> people out there yelling the loudest about the activation
> (anti-piracy) scheme are the ones typically pirating windows and
> think it should be free.

LOL! Are you talking about the Open Source community?

> granted my opinion is also that software
> should be free and copyright is kinda lame as it's an idea or concept
> or grouping of words etc.... how can someone own a thought? but that
> doesn't change the fact that we live in a society that does believe
> in intellectual propert rights.

It has also a society that cherishes fair use too. We wouldn't have Free
Public Libraries if that wasn't the case. It's mostly the corporate
copyright owners propaganda outlets that promote the belief that the general
public is concerned with their IP rights.

Like the TV news organizations would present a fair and balanced view of
copyright when they're owned by the largest Corporate Copyright Owners the
world has ever seen!

> the activation scheme is to try to
> keep down the buy once install on every one you know's p.c. practice
> that has been going on for a long time now.

Really? Since most of the computers out there in the western world came
with the OS already installed, are you suggesting that the Major OEMs are
engaged in software piracy? Hmm?

>
> how many people do you know as individuals and not comapnies that
> actaully purchased win 98? i can think personally of 3 (sadly myself
> included) out of possibly 30-40 who had the software installed.

See, most of the people I know bought their computers from Compaq/HP, Sony,
Dell, or Gateway. They use the OS that's pre-installed for them. And since
most average ccomputer users buy their computers from the major OEMs, and
are too frightened and dumb to upgrade to a different OS, I would believe
that your causal copying confessional to be the aberration, not the norm.

Where software piracy of MS's OS is rampant, in Asia, the real pirates beat
MS to market! And yet for all the real piracy going on, MS still was able
to amass it's $52 billion cash horde. How does that happen? Do you want to
know how? Because the cost of real piracy is passed down to the paying
consumer on every copy of MS's OS that is sold.

PA doesn't stop real piracy, it just tries to squeeze more money out of
those who already have paid, by tricking them into buying more copies than
they legally need to buy.

the
> activation policies aren't geared toward preventing people who
> purchased the os from using it.

Sure it is! The real pirates don't even have to bother with PA.

> it's designed to keep the people who
> didn't purchase it from using it.

How? "When you activate Windows, you are not required to send any personal
information to Microsoft. Activation is completely anonymous." -
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/apolicy.asp

It's designed to FUD people into believe MS's One Computer nonsense, instead
of proving it by legal means.

> and after several activations i
> have never been asked for persoanl info.

Have you ever had to talk to a PA phone rep to activate? If so, did they
ask you why you were activating?

> just my activation key and
> what product im trying to activate. the system flags suspect
> activations and after a while the prod key you have won't allow
> windows updates or service packs to be installed (those where the
> portion of the activation key hash that relates to the product key
> used showing up excessively) .

Well, that's total BS! There are only to Product ID's that have been
disabled from future updates with the introduction of SP1, and they are both
Volume License ProdIDs.

> reps in activations are told to ask
> for a name to personalize a call (you know make it friendly) not to
> have the ms cops beat down your door.

Well then they did ask you for personal info, that you are not required to
give in order to activate Windows XP.

"The only information required to activate is an installation ID (and, for
Office XP and Office XP family products such as Visio 2002, the name of the
country in which the product is being installed)." -
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/mpafaq.asp#details

> microsoft definately
> understands what bad p.r. is and how to not heap it on themselves
> needlessly. when people complained about volume licensing microsoft
> retracted a lot of proposed policy changes.

For their corporate customers, who also aren't burdened with PA. But the
individual consumer, MS doesn't give 2 sh*ts about. They are more worried
about protecting their OS from their paying customers, than protecting those
customers from MS's bug-riddled code.

>
> so please just chill out and quit worrying about the ms cops comin
> for your hard drive cause you violated a eula

Now did I ever say that? Please quote me.


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invalid wrote:

> If slander has no place in busines, you have never seen lawyers in
> action!

Now that was funny!

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[kurttrail]

Jim Macklin wrote:

> Have you had your Prozac today?

Hi Jim,

Never anonymous Bud's reply to you got pulled off the server, as did my
reply to Bud. I assume because he used the word "a**hole" without the
asterisks, and my posts copied his words exactly.

Now I don't want to be seen as doing what Jupiter did to my words,
selectively censoring them for his own nefarious purpose, but I do want to
set the record of this thread straight, so below is my fully-disclosed
ahead-of-time edited version of the events as they unfolded, to combat MS's
prudish censorship of "Never anonymous Bud's" use of a-hole.

Jim Macklin: "Have you had your Prozac today?"

Never anonymous Bud: "Prozac doesn't help just plain a**holes."

kurttrail: "And you would know that from your own personal experience,
right? And while am at it, why do you think that everyone you reply to is
"still snuggled in a 'spider hole'?" Projecting on others what you yourself
are feeling emotionally?"

It's too bad that MS is so anal, to actually censor someone calling me an
a-hole, as I readily admit that I am an a-hole. MS leaves Bruce's lies
about my words on it's server, yet censors "N-a Bud" for calling me a
truthful name. ROFL!

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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
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[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

kurttrail;
You have stated Bruce is "an Outright Liar".
Now it is upon you to prove that statement.
No one else has to defend it.
Look up "liar" in a dictionary.
While you are at it also look up "libel" & "slander".
Remember it is not enough to prove his statements false, you also need
to prove he knew.

Microsoft does NOT monitor these groups as you well know.
Some employees do stop at times on their own time.
As for the proper forum, you have trolled these groups far to long to
be so ignorant as to not know.
But here it is on this page to refresh your memory:
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-US;mvpfaqs

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"kurttrail" > wrote in
message ...
> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>
> > If you believed what you just posted was truly correct, you would
take
> > this to the correct forum.
>
> And that would be? This is the group it happened on, and MS does
monitor
> these groups. MS should take responsiblity for the actions of those
they
> honor with a MVP Award.
>
> > However since you know the correct forum and still choose to
bring it
> > here, it is apparent all you really want to do is sling mud.
>
> Oh, you mean sue Bruce. LOL! Why would I waste my time and money
on that,
> when I can take care of it in this court of public opinion.
>
> >
> > "kurttrail" > wrote in
> > message ...
> >> Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User, and
> >> create a new MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows -
> >> FUD/Propaganda/Outright Lies!"
> >>
> >> And all you rational MVPs out there that value that the truth to
be
> >> told in these groups should be horrified that an Outright Liar is
> >> one of your number. By not publicly rebuking him, you only
condone
> >> his lies here in this group, and only encourage and embolden
Bruce
> >> and his ilk to further such reprehensible acts. Bruce's lying
> >> reflects on you all, as long as he is one you.
> >>
> >> I know that there are many of you MVPs of good conscience out
there,
> >> it's time for you to speak up, and reclaim some of the honor that
> >> Bruce and his kind have lost ya'll.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Peace!
> >> Kurt
> >> Self-anointed Moderator
> >> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> >> XXXXXXXXXXX
> >> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> >> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>
> Silly child! Do you really think you accomplish anything by
selectively
> censoring my url from my sig, except show every rational person here
that
> you are one of the MVPs that would be just like Bruce, willing to
stoop to
> lowest depths for your precious convicted predatory monopoly!
>
> I use OE quotefix to rip-off every person's sig, that is standard
sig
> format, from my replies, so there is nothing wrong with removing
sigs in and
> of itself, but going out of your way to change MY words in your
reply shows
> what a scumbag you really are!
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>
>

[IFixEm]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am getting sick to death of having
to read and download repeats of the same abuses in this newsgroup.

I come to this area for assistance and news, not personal rants and replies.



They are wasting my time, money and resources looking for GENUINE info!


Surely you guys can take your problems elsewhere!

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[kurttrail]

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> kurttrail;
> You have stated Bruce is "an Outright Liar".

Yep.

> Now it is upon you to prove that statement.

Already have, to those that are rational human beings. What planet are you
on?

> No one else has to defend it.

I didn't ask anyone to defend me. I'm a big boy now. I called upon those
MVPs of good conscience to take back the honor that Bruce's actions has cost
them. I wouldn't expect you to understand Juppy.

> Look up "liar" in a dictionary.

One that tells lies. ;-)

The more telling word to look up in the dictionary would be the word "lie."
Go look it up, as it seems to me that you'd be the one that needs the
refresher course with your vocabulary words.

> While you are at it also look up "libel" & "slander".

Why? Did I use those words?

> Remember it is not enough to prove his statements false, you also need
> to prove he knew.

Like I said, I'm not gonna waste my time and money on the likes of Bruce,
when there are alternative means available that are free and consume little
of my time.

> Microsoft does NOT monitor these groups as you well know.

That's why two posts were pulled from this very thread? LOL! I know for a
fact these groups are monitored, with both technology & human intervention.
I've been censored in this group so many times that I stopped counting. So
don't bother to tell me what I "well know," Juppy, as I "well know" that you
will stoop to saying that staying the Earth is up and the sky is down if
it's in the cause of anything having to do with MS. You would definitely
amoung those I number as being a part of Bruce's ilk.

"As for" MS monitoring these groups, "you have" MicroTrolled "these groups
far to (sic) long to be so ignorant as to not know. But here it is . . . .
to refresh your memory:" <Aside: Deja Vu, anybody?>

"Microsoft may monitor content to ensure the accuracy of the information
you'll find, but any information provided by Microsoft staff is offered "AS
IS" with no warranties, and no rights are conferred. You assume all risk for
your use." -
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx#XSLTsection123121120120

> Some employees do stop at times on their own time.

Yeah, I know. And I showed this group in the past that Mike Brannigan had a
particular bug up his butt for me. He finally gave up, because I always
came out smelling even rosier after every encounter with him.

> As for the proper forum, you have trolled these groups far to long to
> be so ignorant as to not know.

Like I know anything and everything about MS. And as far as I'm concerned
this is the prefect place to address this, as this is the scene of the
crime, so to speak.

> But here it is on this page to refresh your memory:
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-US;mvpfaqs

I see no proper forum, just an invitation to email. "Feel free to contact
the Microsoft MVP Program for any questions, comments, or suggestions about
the MVP Program."

Who is gonna read that if I even decide to go that route too? Some
underpaid MicroTemp? And since MS absolves itself from anything anyone
connected to MS says in these groups, how fast will any email of mine get
filed away to some deep dark abyss never to see the light of day again?
ROFL! And I'm the one that is supposed to be "so ignorant!" PMSL!

>
> "kurttrail" > wrote in
> message ...
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>
>>> If you believed what you just posted was truly correct, you would
>>> take this to the correct forum.
>>
>> And that would be? This is the group it happened on, and MS does
>> monitor these groups. MS should take responsiblity for the actions
>> of those they honor with a MVP Award.
>>
>>> However since you know the correct forum and still choose to bring
>>> it here, it is apparent all you really want to do is sling mud.
>>
>> Oh, you mean sue Bruce. LOL! Why would I waste my time and money
>> on that, when I can take care of it in this court of public opinion.
>>
>>>
>>> "kurttrail" > wrote in
>>> message ...
>>>> Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User, and
>>>> create a new MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows -
>>>> FUD/Propaganda/Outright Lies!"
>>>>
>>>> And all you rational MVPs out there that value that the truth to be
>>>> told in these groups should be horrified that an Outright Liar is
>>>> one of your number. By not publicly rebuking him, you only condone
>>>> his lies here in this group, and only encourage and embolden Bruce
>>>> and his ilk to further such reprehensible acts. Bruce's lying
>>>> reflects on you all, as long as he is one you.
>>>>
>>>> I know that there are many of you MVPs of good conscience out
>>>> there, it's time for you to speak up, and reclaim some of the
>>>> honor that Bruce and his kind have lost ya'll.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Peace!
>>>> Kurt
>>>> Self-anointed Moderator
>>>> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
>>>> XXXXXXXXXXX
>>>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>>>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>>
>> Silly child! Do you really think you accomplish anything by
>> selectively censoring my url from my sig, except show every rational
>> person here that you are one of the MVPs that would be just like
>> Bruce, willing to stoop to lowest depths for your precious convicted
>> predatory monopoly!
>>
>> I use OE quotefix to rip-off every person's sig, that is standard sig
>> format, from my replies, so there is nothing wrong with removing
>> sigs in and of itself, but going out of your way to change MY words
>> in your reply shows what a scumbag you really are!
>>
>> --
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>> Self-anointed Moderator
>> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
>> http://microscum.com
>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

Now I wonder is Juppy actually saw this bottom part of my last reply? <vbg>

--
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microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

kurttrail;
It is obvious the rule of law only applies as so far as it suits your
purposes.
When it works against, you cower away from the proper forum to where
you simply sling mud.
The link I gave was appropriate for concerns about MVPs as you well
know.
Your unwillingness to take your problem there shows your denial of
truth.

"Who is gonna read that..."
No one, you will not send there, because you are unwilling to pursue
this in the correct place, there is no mud there for you there.

I did not suggest you defend yourself.
I asked that you defend (prove) your statement.
You can not otherwise you would take this to the appropriate forum.

Now, you can take yourself and your alias's out of here and do a
service to everyone.
But I somehow doubt you will take that high ground, you like it under
your rock.

Respond back only to prove you must have the last word.

--
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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"kurttrail" > wrote in
message ...
> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>
> > kurttrail;
> > You have stated Bruce is "an Outright Liar".
>
> Yep.
>
> > Now it is upon you to prove that statement.
>
> Already have, to those that are rational human beings. What planet
are you
> on?
>
> > No one else has to defend it.
>
> I didn't ask anyone to defend me. I'm a big boy now. I called upon
those
> MVPs of good conscience to take back the honor that Bruce's actions
has cost
> them. I wouldn't expect you to understand Juppy.
>
> > Look up "liar" in a dictionary.
>
> One that tells lies. ;-)
>
> The more telling word to look up in the dictionary would be the word
"lie."
> Go look it up, as it seems to me that you'd be the one that needs
the
> refresher course with your vocabulary words.
>
> > While you are at it also look up "libel" & "slander".
>
> Why? Did I use those words?
>
> > Remember it is not enough to prove his statements false, you also
need
> > to prove he knew.
>
> Like I said, I'm not gonna waste my time and money on the likes of
Bruce,
> when there are alternative means available that are free and consume
little
> of my time.
>
> > Microsoft does NOT monitor these groups as you well know.
>
> That's why two posts were pulled from this very thread? LOL! I
know for a
> fact these groups are monitored, with both technology & human
intervention.
> I've been censored in this group so many times that I stopped
counting. So
> don't bother to tell me what I "well know," Juppy, as I "well know"
that you
> will stoop to saying that staying the Earth is up and the sky is
down if
> it's in the cause of anything having to do with MS. You would
definitely
> amoung those I number as being a part of Bruce's ilk.
>
> "As for" MS monitoring these groups, "you have" MicroTrolled "these
groups
> far to (sic) long to be so ignorant as to not know. But here it is
.. . . .
> to refresh your memory:" <Aside: Deja Vu, anybody?>
>
> "Microsoft may monitor content to ensure the accuracy of the
information
> you'll find, but any information provided by Microsoft staff is
offered "AS
> IS" with no warranties, and no rights are conferred. You assume all
risk for
> your use." -
>
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx#XSLTsection123121120120
>
> > Some employees do stop at times on their own time.
>
> Yeah, I know. And I showed this group in the past that Mike
Brannigan had a
> particular bug up his butt for me. He finally gave up, because I
always
> came out smelling even rosier after every encounter with him.
>
> > As for the proper forum, you have trolled these groups far to long
to
> > be so ignorant as to not know.
>
> Like I know anything and everything about MS. And as far as I'm
concerned
> this is the prefect place to address this, as this is the scene of
the
> crime, so to speak.
>
> > But here it is on this page to refresh your memory:
> >
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-US;mvpfaqs
>
> I see no proper forum, just an invitation to email. "Feel free to
contact
> the Microsoft MVP Program for any questions, comments, or
suggestions about
> the MVP Program."
>
> Who is gonna read that if I even decide to go that route too? Some
> underpaid MicroTemp? And since MS absolves itself from anything
anyone
> connected to MS says in these groups, how fast will any email of
mine get
> filed away to some deep dark abyss never to see the light of day
again?
> ROFL! And I'm the one that is supposed to be "so ignorant!" PMSL!
>
> >
> > "kurttrail" > wrote in
> > message ...
> >> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> >>
> >>> If you believed what you just posted was truly correct, you
would
> >>> take this to the correct forum.
> >>
> >> And that would be? This is the group it happened on, and MS does
> >> monitor these groups. MS should take responsiblity for the
actions
> >> of those they honor with a MVP Award.
> >>
> >>> However since you know the correct forum and still choose to
bring
> >>> it here, it is apparent all you really want to do is sling mud.
> >>
> >> Oh, you mean sue Bruce. LOL! Why would I waste my time and
money
> >> on that, when I can take care of it in this court of public
opinion.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> "kurttrail" > wrote
in
> >>> message ...
> >>>> Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User, and
> >>>> create a new MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows -
> >>>> FUD/Propaganda/Outright Lies!"
> >>>>
> >>>> And all you rational MVPs out there that value that the truth
to be
> >>>> told in these groups should be horrified that an Outright Liar
is
> >>>> one of your number. By not publicly rebuking him, you only
condone
> >>>> his lies here in this group, and only encourage and embolden
Bruce
> >>>> and his ilk to further such reprehensible acts. Bruce's lying
> >>>> reflects on you all, as long as he is one you.
> >>>>
> >>>> I know that there are many of you MVPs of good conscience out
> >>>> there, it's time for you to speak up, and reclaim some of the
> >>>> honor that Bruce and his kind have lost ya'll.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Peace!
> >>>> Kurt
> >>>> Self-anointed Moderator
> >>>> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> >>>> XXXXXXXXXXX
> >>>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> >>>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
> >>
> >> Silly child! Do you really think you accomplish anything by
> >> selectively censoring my url from my sig, except show every
rational
> >> person here that you are one of the MVPs that would be just like
> >> Bruce, willing to stoop to lowest depths for your precious
convicted
> >> predatory monopoly!
> >>
> >> I use OE quotefix to rip-off every person's sig, that is standard
sig
> >> format, from my replies, so there is nothing wrong with removing
> >> sigs in and of itself, but going out of your way to change MY
words
> >> in your reply shows what a scumbag you really are!
> >>
> >> --
> >> Peace!
> >> Kurt
> >> Self-anointed Moderator
> >> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> >> http://microscum.com
> >> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> >> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>
> Now I wonder is Juppy actually saw this bottom part of my last
reply? <vbg>
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>
>

[kurttrail]

IFixEm wrote:

> I don't know about the rest of you, but I am getting sick to death of
> having to read and download repeats of the same abuses in this
> newsgroup.
>
> I come to this area for assistance and news, not personal rants and
> replies.
>
>
>
> They are wasting my time, money and resources looking for GENUINE
> info!
>
>
> Surely you guys can take your problems elsewhere!

Is someone forcing you to read every post in every thread? Surely you the
kind of guy that takes responsiblity for you your actions, right? You have
the ability to read the subjects of posts, and who wrote them, before you
open and read any post, don't you? Then why are you bitichin' about
something only you have total control over, what you want and don't want to
read.

You're using Outlook Express, so just ask Bruce to help you set up a
killfile. He would be the expert on hiding himself from what he doesn't
want to read.

--
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Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

[Bruce [MVP]]

Go **** off bitch! you need to go to hell basterd.

[kurttrail]

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> kurttrail;
> It is obvious the rule of law only applies as so far as it suits your
> purposes.
> When it works against, you cower away from the proper forum to where
> you simply sling mud.

You cannot be seriously talking about the useless email to MS?

> The link I gave was appropriate for concerns about MVPs as you well
> know.

LOL! You just can't help yourself from telling people what they "well
know." Do you have a licensing agreement with Miss Cleo?

> Your unwillingness to take your problem there shows your denial of
> truth.

Actually, I did leave the option open in my reply to you. You just have to
be bright enough to actually read what other people write to you. "Who is
gonna read that if I even decide to go that route too?"

>
> "Who is gonna read that..."

Of course you had to use a partial sentence as a quote, because the other
half of the sentence implied that I had yet to make a final decision. But
I'm sure if you're not too chickensh*t to keep digging yourself a bigger
hole and directly reply to this, that you tell me some BS that I "well
know."

> No one, you will not send there, because you are unwilling to pursue
> this in the correct place, there is no mud there for you there.

ROFL! You are a Zealot in total denial.

>
> I did not suggest you defend yourself.

Did I say you did?

> I asked that you defend (prove) your statement.

And as I told you, I already have. If you choose not to seek it out for
yourself that would be your short-coming not mine.

> You can not otherwise you would take this to the appropriate forum.

And did I actually say that I wasn't?

>
> Now, you can take yourself and your alias's out of here and do a
> service to everyone.

LOL! What alias's? As for leaving, as you should "well know," there ain't
a damned thing you can do about it.

> But I somehow doubt you will take that high ground, you like it under
> your rock.

I'm convinced, although I still don't think it will amount to much, and
while I'm at it, I'm gonna report you for changing my words in your first
reply to me in this thread. Thanks for helping me come to a decision,
Juppy. But it'll have to wait til the morrow.

>
> Respond back only to prove you must have the last word.

Ditto. I'm going to sleep now cause I'm finished downloading my music from
the web, re-encoding it, and organizing it for the night. Good Night,
Juppy! Sweet Dreams! ;-)

>
>
> "kurttrail" > wrote in
> message ...
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>
>>> kurttrail;
>>> You have stated Bruce is "an Outright Liar".
>>
>> Yep.
>>
>>> Now it is upon you to prove that statement.
>>
>> Already have, to those that are rational human beings. What planet
>> are you on?
>>
>>> No one else has to defend it.
>>
>> I didn't ask anyone to defend me. I'm a big boy now. I called upon
>> those MVPs of good conscience to take back the honor that Bruce's
>> actions has cost them. I wouldn't expect you to understand Juppy.
>>
>>> Look up "liar" in a dictionary.
>>
>> One that tells lies. ;-)
>>
>> The more telling word to look up in the dictionary would be the word
>> "lie." Go look it up, as it seems to me that you'd be the one that
>> needs the refresher course with your vocabulary words.
>>
>>> While you are at it also look up "libel" & "slander".
>>
>> Why? Did I use those words?
>>
>>> Remember it is not enough to prove his statements false, you also
>>> need to prove he knew.
>>
>> Like I said, I'm not gonna waste my time and money on the likes of
>> Bruce, when there are alternative means available that are free and
>> consume little of my time.
>>
>>> Microsoft does NOT monitor these groups as you well know.
>>
>> That's why two posts were pulled from this very thread? LOL! I
>> know for a fact these groups are monitored, with both technology &
>> human intervention. I've been censored in this group so many times
>> that I stopped counting. So don't bother to tell me what I "well
>> know," Juppy, as I "well know" that you will stoop to saying that
>> staying the Earth is up and the sky is down if it's in the cause of
>> anything having to do with MS. You would definitely amoung those I
>> number as being a part of Bruce's ilk.
>>
>> "As for" MS monitoring these groups, "you have" MicroTrolled "these
>> groups far to (sic) long to be so ignorant as to not know. But here
>> it is . . . . to refresh your memory:" <Aside: Deja Vu, anybody?>
>>
>> "Microsoft may monitor content to ensure the accuracy of the
>> information you'll find, but any information provided by Microsoft
>> staff is offered "AS IS" with no warranties, and no rights are
>> conferred. You assume all risk for your use." -
>>
>
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx#XSLTsection123121120120
>>
>>> Some employees do stop at times on their own time.
>>
>> Yeah, I know. And I showed this group in the past that Mike
>> Brannigan had a particular bug up his butt for me. He finally gave
>> up, because I always came out smelling even rosier after every
>> encounter with him.
>>
>>> As for the proper forum, you have trolled these groups far to long
>>> to be so ignorant as to not know.
>>
>> Like I know anything and everything about MS. And as far as I'm
>> concerned this is the prefect place to address this, as this is the
>> scene of the crime, so to speak.
>>
>>> But here it is on this page to refresh your memory:
>>>
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-US;mvpfaqs
>>
>> I see no proper forum, just an invitation to email. "Feel free to
>> contact the Microsoft MVP Program for any questions, comments, or
>> suggestions about the MVP Program."
>>
>> Who is gonna read that if I even decide to go that route too? Some
>> underpaid MicroTemp? And since MS absolves itself from anything
>> anyone connected to MS says in these groups, how fast will any email
>> of mine get filed away to some deep dark abyss never to see the
>> light of day again? ROFL! And I'm the one that is supposed to be
>> "so ignorant!" PMSL!
>>
>>>
>>> "kurttrail" > wrote in
>>> message ...
>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you believed what you just posted was truly correct, you would
>>>>> take this to the correct forum.
>>>>
>>>> And that would be? This is the group it happened on, and MS does
>>>> monitor these groups. MS should take responsiblity for the actions
>>>> of those they honor with a MVP Award.
>>>>
>>>>> However since you know the correct forum and still choose to
>>>>> bring it here, it is apparent all you really want to do is sling
>>>>> mud.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, you mean sue Bruce. LOL! Why would I waste my time and money
>>>> on that, when I can take care of it in this court of public
>>>> opinion.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "kurttrail" > wrote in
>>>>> message ...
>>>>>> Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User, and
>>>>>> create a new MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows -
>>>>>> FUD/Propaganda/Outright Lies!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And all you rational MVPs out there that value that the truth to
>>>>>> be told in these groups should be horrified that an Outright
>>>>>> Liar is one of your number. By not publicly rebuking him, you
>>>>>> only condone his lies here in this group, and only encourage and
>>>>>> embolden Bruce and his ilk to further such reprehensible acts.
>>>>>> Bruce's lying reflects on you all, as long as he is one you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know that there are many of you MVPs of good conscience out
>>>>>> there, it's time for you to speak up, and reclaim some of the
>>>>>> honor that Bruce and his kind have lost ya'll.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Peace!
>>>>>> Kurt
>>>>>> Self-anointed Moderator
>>>>>> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
>>>>>> XXXXXXXXXXX
>>>>>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>>>>>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>>>>
>>>> Silly child! Do you really think you accomplish anything by
>>>> selectively censoring my url from my sig, except show every
>>>> rational person here that you are one of the MVPs that would be
>>>> just like Bruce, willing to stoop to lowest depths for your
>>>> precious convicted predatory monopoly!
>>>>
>>>> I use OE quotefix to rip-off every person's sig, that is standard
>>>> sig format, from my replies, so there is nothing wrong with
>>>> removing sigs in and of itself, but going out of your way to
>>>> change MY words in your reply shows what a scumbag you really are!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Peace!
>>>> Kurt
>>>> Self-anointed Moderator
>>>> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
>>>> http://microscum.com
>>>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>>>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>>
>> Now I wonder is Juppy actually saw this bottom part of my last
>> reply? <vbg>
>>
>> --
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>> Self-anointed Moderator
>> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
>> http://microscum.com
>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

I do believe that Juppy is blissfully ignorant about this part of the
thread.

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[Jim Macklin]

"While you are at it also look up "libel" & "slander".
|
| Why? Did I use those words?"

Your collected words and attack on Bruce could be slander
and constitute libel.


"kurttrail" >
wrote in message
...
| Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
|
| > kurttrail;
| > You have stated Bruce is "an Outright Liar".
|
| Yep.
| SNIP|
| > While you are at it also look up "libel" & "slander".
|
| Why? Did I use those words?
|
|SNIP

[Hi]

All I can say is that if "Allen" or "Len" says that Bruce is doing a good job then Bruce is probably crooked, sorry Bruce but with friends like "Allen" who needs enemies?

[Glenn]

I clarify this by saying I am not responding to the original poster of this
thread.

That said, why are all these posts here arguing with a nitwit? Can't you
just ignore him?

Glenn

"Hi" > wrote in message
...
> All I can say is that if "Allen" or "Len" says that Bruce is doing a good
job then Bruce is probably crooked, sorry Bruce but with friends like
"Allen" who needs enemies?

[kurttrail]

Jim Macklin wrote:

> "While you are at it also look up "libel" & "slander".
>>
>> Why? Did I use those words?"
>
> Your collected words and attack on Bruce could be slander
> and constitute libel.

Does that really answer my question? But Bruce is quite welcome to sue
me if feels the same as you.

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[kurttrail]

Glenn wrote:

> I clarify this by saying I am not responding to the original poster
> of this thread.

LOL! Chicken?

>
> That said, why are all these posts here arguing with a nitwit?

Of course, now your trying to reason with a bunch of people that you see
as arguing with "a nitwit." That really doesn't make you look all that
bright either.

> Can't
> you just ignore him?

And leave my common sense opinions unchallenged, so that MS's BS is
exposed for the FUD that it is? It's highly unlikely that the
MicroZealots could stand idly by, even after I've made them look
ridiculous time & time again

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[Jim Macklin]

We're bored and this can be fun.


"Glenn" > wrote in message
...
| I clarify this by saying I am not responding to the
original poster of this
| thread.
|
| That said, why are all these posts here arguing with a
nitwit? Can't you
| just ignore him?
|
| Glenn
|
| "Hi" > wrote in
message
| ...
| > All I can say is that if "Allen" or "Len" says that
Bruce is doing a good
| job then Bruce is probably crooked, sorry Bruce but with
friends like
| "Allen" who needs enemies?
|
|

[kurttrail]

Jim Macklin wrote:

> We're bored and this can be fun.
>

Yep, some people enjoy being masochists!

Personally, I often wondered why ya'll bother to reply to me too,
because I'm hardly ever on the losing end of any exchange, and ya'll
only help me to show how right I really am.

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[kurttrail]

Xref: kermit microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:999280

Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:

> Kurt,
>
>> Yeah, I know. And I showed this group in the past that Mike
>> Brannigan had
> a
>> particular bug up his butt for me. He finally gave up, because I
>> always
>> came out smelling even rosier after every encounter with him.
>>
>
> I have given up nothing,

Sure seems that way to me, since for the most part my posts have stopped
disappearing on a regular basis. The one in this thread that was
removed with "N-a Bud's" post because of his his of the word "a-hole,"
was the first one I've noticed getting pulled in months.

> and may well still remove this entire thread
> as
> being outside of the focus of this newsgroup; which I am perfectly
> entitled
> to do.

Go ahead! What is stopping you? But this thread is NOT outside the
focus of this group, as it is about what happened in this very group.
By pulling this thread you would only show how unreasonable you & your
employers actually are.

> This thread also contains unsubstantiated accusation directed
> at
> someone personally - which again is a perfectly valid reason for this
> entire thread to be removed from this group.

It was substantiated in two prior threads.

So answer me this, does MS condone the lies of the people that they
reward as a MS-MVP? Because that is exactly what Bruce did twice about
my web site.

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=104h2tf88n8lqbb%40corp.supernews.com

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=104h2s3c9kn3i7d%40corp.supernews.com

Does MS condone it's MVP's changing the words of the others in their
replies? Because that is exactly what Juppy Jones did in this thread.

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

<snip>

>> --
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>> Self-anointed Moderator
>> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
>> XXXXXXXXXXX
>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

But please, go right ahead and pull this whole thread instead of
replying to my questions, and prove yet again, to every rational human
being here, just how petty you & your company really are.

Oh, and maybe you should have a refresher class for MVPs on just how
these MicroNewsgroups work, since Juppy isn't aware that they ARE
monitored.

"Microsoft does NOT monitor these groups as you well know." - Juppy
Jones

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[Never anonymous Bud]

While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "kurttrail"
> scribbled:

>Sure seems that way to me, since for the most part my posts have stopped
>disappearing on a regular basis.

Disappearing from WHERE?

This is a Usenet newsgroup, it's copied across the net to tens of thousands
(or more) of servers, YOU only see one.





To reply by email, remove the XYZ.

Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.

This sig censored by the Office of Home and Land Insecurity....

[kurttrail]

Never anonymous Bud wrote:

> While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "kurttrail"
> > scribbled:
>
>> Personally, I often wondered why ya'll bother to reply to me too,
>> because I'm hardly ever on the losing end of any exchange,
>
> Have you considered seeking treatment for your dementia?

You mean you guys are just a figment of my imagination?

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[Danny Mingledorff]

Fixation, yes...

Obsession, possibly...

but no Dementia...

Sorry, Kurt, but we're real, at least most of us...

"Never anonymous Bud" > wrote in message
...
> While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "kurttrail"
> > scribbled:
>
> >Personally, I often wondered why ya'll bother to reply to me too,
> >because I'm hardly ever on the losing end of any exchange,
>
> Have you considered seeking treatment for your dementia?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> To reply by email, remove the XYZ.
>
> Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.
>
> This sig censored by the Office of Home and Land Insecurity....

[kurttrail]

Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:

> Kurt,
>
> I have given up nothing, and may well still remove this entire thread
> as being outside of the focus of this newsgroup; which I am perfectly
> entitled to do. This thread also contains unsubstantiated accusation
> directed at someone personally - which again is a perfectly valid
> reason for this entire thread to be removed from this group.

Well I see that your toothless threat of censorship still has yet to come to
pass. Don't you see that you have confirmed yet again that you have a "bug
up your ass" when it comes to me? Why aren't you threatening to pull
Bruce's posts for removal from the group for his unsubstantiated accusations
directed at my web site?

I guess there really is a double standard around here, huh?

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[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

Both the links you included point to similar posts by Bruce.
I can only assume you taking issue with Bruce's use of the phrase
"...a web site that openly advocates lying and software piracy..."

Your site clearly provides advice on how to breach the End User License
Agreement that the end user has already agreed to abide by as part of the
conditions required to be satisfied to exercise the single license they had
purchased.
The deliberate breach of a license agreement for software and in particular
the multiple installations of unlicensed copies of Windows is software
piracy.

As regards removing this thread, bare in mind Kurt that this is a peer to
peer support newsgroups for general question on the Windows XP product. Not
a general discussion group/chat forum.

My work here is to answer genuine users questions about our technologies and
products., Not to engage in some "debate" with you.
If you have a genuine technical question then post it.
If you have specific legal questions then as I have suggested a number of
times - seek professional legal counsel and feel free to contact Microsoft
Legal and Corporate Affairs department at our head office in Redmond WA.

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"kurttrail" > wrote in message
...
> Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:
>
> > Kurt,
> >
> >> Yeah, I know. And I showed this group in the past that Mike
> >> Brannigan had
> > a
> >> particular bug up his butt for me. He finally gave up, because I
> >> always
> >> came out smelling even rosier after every encounter with him.
> >>
> >
> > I have given up nothing,
>
> Sure seems that way to me, since for the most part my posts have stopped
> disappearing on a regular basis. The one in this thread that was
> removed with "N-a Bud's" post because of his his of the word "a-hole,"
> was the first one I've noticed getting pulled in months.
>
> > and may well still remove this entire thread
> > as
> > being outside of the focus of this newsgroup; which I am perfectly
> > entitled
> > to do.
>
> Go ahead! What is stopping you? But this thread is NOT outside the
> focus of this group, as it is about what happened in this very group.
> By pulling this thread you would only show how unreasonable you & your
> employers actually are.
>
> > This thread also contains unsubstantiated accusation directed
> > at
> > someone personally - which again is a perfectly valid reason for this
> > entire thread to be removed from this group.
>
> It was substantiated in two prior threads.
>
> So answer me this, does MS condone the lies of the people that they
> reward as a MS-MVP? Because that is exactly what Bruce did twice about
> my web site.
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=104h2tf88n8lqbb%40corp.supernews.com
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=104h2s3c9kn3i7d%40corp.supernews.com
>
> Does MS condone it's MVP's changing the words of the others in their
> replies? Because that is exactly what Juppy Jones did in this thread.
>
> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >> --
> >> Peace!
> >> Kurt
> >> Self-anointed Moderator
> >> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> >> XXXXXXXXXXX
> >> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> >> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>
> But please, go right ahead and pull this whole thread instead of
> replying to my questions, and prove yet again, to every rational human
> being here, just how petty you & your company really are.
>
> Oh, and maybe you should have a refresher class for MVPs on just how
> these MicroNewsgroups work, since Juppy isn't aware that they ARE
> monitored.
>
> "Microsoft does NOT monitor these groups as you well know." - Juppy
> Jones
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>
>

[kimmy]

Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:
>
> As regards removing this thread, bare in mind Kurt that this is a
> peer to
> peer support newsgroups for general question on the Windows XP
> product. Not
> a general discussion group/chat forum.
>
There would be no thread if people didn't reply to this maniac.

Kimmy

[kurttrail]

Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:

> Both the links you included point to similar posts by Bruce.
> I can only assume you taking issue with Bruce's use of the phrase
> "...a web site that openly advocates lying and software piracy..."
>
> Your site clearly provides advice on how to breach the End User
> License Agreement that the end user has already agreed to abide by as
> part of the conditions required to be satisfied to exercise the
> single license they had purchased.
> The deliberate breach of a license agreement for software and in
> particular the multiple installations of unlicensed copies of Windows
> is software piracy.

"The simple fact of the matter is that I was guilty of sloppy
terminology. Software piracy, in the generally accepted legal sense
of the term, refers to someone's mass-producing and selling of
unauthorized copies of a computer program. Kurttrail has not, to my
knowledge, actually advocated particular this illegal activity." - Bruce
Chambers

Yes, Bruce did later recant the latter part of his statement, yet still
clings to the rationalization that he really meant copyright infringement.

"What Kurttrail is actually advocating is copyright infringement." - Bruce
Chambers

And he also hasn't back down from about the "*OPENLY* advocates lying" bit,
though he does have a rather convoluted explaination that proves there is no
*OPEN* advocacy of lying.

As for your unfounded supposition, that breach of license is "software
piracy." Please provide us all the evidence of that, with either a law or
legal precedent. I already am aware of the propaganda, but I am unwilling
to believe you without the LAW to back it up.

>
> As regards removing this thread, bare in mind Kurt that this is a
> peer to peer support newsgroups for general question on the Windows
> XP product. Not a general discussion group/chat forum.

But what happens here is a very relevant discussion, as is the behavior here
of MS's MVPs. Should I have gone to the "newusers" group, to discuss what
happened here? It's not like there is a MVP-abuse NG, is there?

> My work here is to answer genuine users questions about our
> technologies and products., Not to engage in some "debate" with you.

Then don't, as I have repeatedly tried to explain to you. You only show
with each encounter how unreasonable you really are when it comes to me.

> If you have a genuine technical question then post it.

LOL! I'll bite. How do I disable your company's copy-protection is order
to legally "fairly use" my copy of MS's copyrighted material.

"Nothing in this section shall affect rights, remedies, limitations, or
defenses to copyright infringement, including fair use, under this title." -
DMCA - http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/1201.html

> If you have specific legal questions then as I have suggested a
> number of times - seek professional legal counsel and feel free to
> contact Microsoft Legal and Corporate Affairs department at our head
> office in Redmond WA.

I already know my rights under the laws of the United States of America, and
need to consult anybody, especially an obviously-biased corporation.

I suppose you would advise IBM to go to Microsoft's lapdogs, SCO, for legal
questions about the UNIX license? ROFL! Like IBM with SCO, I'll wait for
Microsoft to legally prove it's unsubstatiated licensing claims by the
preponderance of the evidence in a real court of law, before I accept those
claims as legal fact.

Thanks for playing, but you are really out of my league. You should just go
back to what you've been doing the last few months and just leave me be.
Don't you have any self-respect at all?

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[kurttrail]

kimmy wrote:

> Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:
>>
>> As regards removing this thread, bare in mind Kurt that this is a
>> peer to
>> peer support newsgroups for general question on the Windows XP
>> product. Not
>> a general discussion group/chat forum.
>>
> There would be no thread if people didn't reply to this maniac.

I've been trying to tell people that for a long time now. Some people just
have no self-control. It's comes from having no true opinions of one's own,
and being jealous of those that do, and aren't afraid to openly discuss
them.

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[kurttrail]

To whom it may concern:

Bruce Chambers, MS-MVP Windows: Shell/User, had the absolute audacity to
twice write that my web page, http://microscum.com/mmpafaq/, "openly
advocates lying and software *piracy*," in reply to another poster giving
the hyperlink to it, and my web site does no such thing.

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=104h2tf88n8lqbb%40corp.supernews.com

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=104h2s3c9kn3i7d%40corp.supernews.com

Bruce later recanted on the "software piracy" part, but in so doing, he then
accused me of advocating copyright infringement, when my whole web page is
devoted to showing that it is not, in fact, a copyright infringement to
install software on more than one computer.

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=104ld06q98suk5f%40corp.supernews.com

As for "*openly* *advocates* *lying*," you can plainly see that he goes to
great lengths to rationalize it, but by doing so, he shows how apparent it
is that I never "*OPENLY*" advocated lying on my web page.

Now I've been advised by another MS-MVP, Jupiter Jones aka Mat Kimball, to
bring my complaint against Bruce to Microsoft directly. Quite frankly I
consider it a big waste of time, but on the off-chance that their are some
reasonable people working at Microsoft, I bring my petition for the removal
of Bruce Chambers as a MS-MVP to your attention.

Now about Jupiter Jones, this MS-MVP actually had the audacity to change my
signature, in a reply to one of my posts.

From this:

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to this:

> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> XXXXXXXXXXX
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=OK2OrriBEHA.3524%40TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gb l

Is behaving like a Troll what MS expects of it's MVP's? Are Bruce's &
Jupiter's underhanded behavior the kind behavior that MS condones in it's
MVP's? Does MS not care about how they are represented by their MVP's in
Microsoft's public newsgroups? It would seem to me that at least one
Microsoft employee doesn't care, and seems to clearly abuse his position as
a Microsoft employee by suggesting that he could pull my posts at his own
discretion. His name is Mike Brannigan.

"I have given up nothing, and may well still remove this entire thread as
being outside of the focus of this newsgroup; which I am perfectly entitled
to do. This thread also contains unsubstantiated accusation directed at
someone personally - which again is a perfectly valid reason for this entire
thread to be removed from this group."

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=%23hiALktBEHA.3360%40TK2MSFTNGP11.phx. gbl

Mike threatens to use his position at Microsoft to censor me for being
off-topic and for the way I attempted to dispel Bruce's fallacious claims to
the rest of the group, and yet in his next post, Mike boldly tries to defend
the fallacy, that even Bruce himself backed down from, that my web page
"*OPENLY* advocates . . . . software piracy.

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=eHHO87uBEHA.3852%40TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gb l

Does anyone at Microsoft really care how your employees & MVPs conduct
themselves on Microsoft's behalf in Microsoft's Public Newsgroups, or is
this just the big waste of time I earlier talked about? My guess would be
the later, but I'm still holding a glimmer of hope that there may actually
be some people of good conscience that still work for Microsoft.

Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter.

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[Never anonymous Bud]

While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "kurttrail" >
scribbled:

>To whom it may concern:
>
>Bruce Chambers, MS-MVP Windows: Shell/User, had the absolute audacity to
>twice write that my web page, http://microscum.com/mmpafaq/, "openly
>advocates lying and software *piracy*,

DAMN him for telling the truth ! ! !

MS should have him executed!






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[kurttrail]

Never anonymous Bud wrote:

> While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "kurttrail"
> > scribbled:
>
>> To whom it may concern:
>>
>> Bruce Chambers, MS-MVP Windows: Shell/User, had the absolute
>> audacity to twice write that my web page,
>> http://microscum.com/mmpafaq/, "openly advocates lying and software
>> *piracy*,
>
> DAMN him for telling the truth ! ! !

It's not the truth. You can find no quote on my web site that "*openly*
advocates lying and software piracy."

If you can find quotes on my web page to the effect of "Go ahead and lie to
MS" and "Make copies of Windows XP and give them to your friends," then I
will go away, and never post here again, because then what Bruce said would
be true, but Bruce couldn't, and neither did anyone else including you.

>
> MS should have him executed!

Moron.

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[E McCann]

How did you get out of my filters... back in you go, troll-boy.

"kurttrail" > wrote in message
...


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[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

Kurt - Since, as you are well aware, we do not formally monitor these
newsgroups, your "to whom it may concern" is wasted.
If you have a complaint to make about a MVP then formally state it to the
relevant person by using the e-mail address provided on
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-US;mvpfaqsis

(This link was also provided to you by JJ in the very first reply to you on
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"kurttrail" > wrote in message
...
> To whom it may concern:
>
> Bruce Chambers, MS-MVP Windows: Shell/User, had the absolute audacity to
> twice write that my web page, http://microscum.com/mmpafaq/, "openly
> advocates lying and software *piracy*," in reply to another poster giving
> the hyperlink to it, and my web site does no such thing.
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=104h2tf88n8lqbb%40corp.supernews.com
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=104h2s3c9kn3i7d%40corp.supernews.com
>
> Bruce later recanted on the "software piracy" part, but in so doing, he
then
> accused me of advocating copyright infringement, when my whole web page is
> devoted to showing that it is not, in fact, a copyright infringement to
> install software on more than one computer.
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=104ld06q98suk5f%40corp.supernews.com
>
> As for "*openly* *advocates* *lying*," you can plainly see that he goes to
> great lengths to rationalize it, but by doing so, he shows how apparent it
> is that I never "*OPENLY*" advocated lying on my web page.
>
> Now I've been advised by another MS-MVP, Jupiter Jones aka Mat Kimball, to
> bring my complaint against Bruce to Microsoft directly. Quite frankly I
> consider it a big waste of time, but on the off-chance that their are some
> reasonable people working at Microsoft, I bring my petition for the
removal
> of Bruce Chambers as a MS-MVP to your attention.
>
> Now about Jupiter Jones, this MS-MVP actually had the audacity to change
my
> signature, in a reply to one of my posts.
>
> From this:
>
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>
> to this:
>
> > Peace!
> > Kurt
> > Self-anointed Moderator
> > microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> > XXXXXXXXXXX
> > "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> > "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=OK2OrriBEHA.3524%40TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gb l
>
> Is behaving like a Troll what MS expects of it's MVP's? Are Bruce's &
> Jupiter's underhanded behavior the kind behavior that MS condones in it's
> MVP's? Does MS not care about how they are represented by their MVP's in
> Microsoft's public newsgroups? It would seem to me that at least one
> Microsoft employee doesn't care, and seems to clearly abuse his position
as
> a Microsoft employee by suggesting that he could pull my posts at his own
> discretion. His name is Mike Brannigan.
>
> "I have given up nothing, and may well still remove this entire thread as
> being outside of the focus of this newsgroup; which I am perfectly
entitled
> to do. This thread also contains unsubstantiated accusation directed at
> someone personally - which again is a perfectly valid reason for this
entire
> thread to be removed from this group."
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=%23hiALktBEHA.3360%40TK2MSFTNGP11.phx. gbl
>
> Mike threatens to use his position at Microsoft to censor me for being
> off-topic and for the way I attempted to dispel Bruce's fallacious claims
to
> the rest of the group, and yet in his next post, Mike boldly tries to
defend
> the fallacy, that even Bruce himself backed down from, that my web page
> "*OPENLY* advocates . . . . software piracy.
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=eHHO87uBEHA.3852%40TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gb l
>
> Does anyone at Microsoft really care how your employees & MVPs conduct
> themselves on Microsoft's behalf in Microsoft's Public Newsgroups, or is
> this just the big waste of time I earlier talked about? My guess would be
> the later, but I'm still holding a glimmer of hope that there may actually
> be some people of good conscience that still work for Microsoft.
>
> Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter.
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurtis Kirsch
> [This is a valid email address]
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>
>
>

[Jon Andersonn]

On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:56:51 -0500, "kurttrail"
> tickled my privates with
this:

>Never anonymous Bud wrote:
>
>> While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "kurttrail"
>> > scribbled:
>>
>>> Sure seems that way to me, since for the most part my posts have
>>> stopped disappearing on a regular basis.
>>
>> Disappearing from WHERE?
>>
>> This is a Usenet newsgroup, it's copied across the net to tens of
>> thousands (or more) of servers, YOU only see one.
>
>And it's was removed from MS's server, msnews.microsoft.com.

Doesn't matter, since it will still be viewed on the servers it's
propogated out to. You post to your *isp's* newserver, not
microsoft.com's directly.

You still seem to be an exceedingly strange person. I wonder about
you.

______________________________________

"I cannot and will not cut my conscience
to fit this year's fashions."

--- Lillian Hellman

[Jon Andersonn]

On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:24:17 -0500, "kurttrail" >
tickled my privates with this:

>To whom it may concern:
>
>Bruce Chambers, MS-MVP Windows: Shell/User, had the absolute audacity to
>twice write that my web page, http://microscum.com/mmpafaq/, "openly
>advocates lying and software *piracy*," in reply to another poster giving
>the hyperlink to it, and my web site does no such thing.

(blah blah blah).

You're a very strange person; you should get out of the house more, I
think.

______________________________________

"I cannot and will not cut my conscience
to fit this year's fashions."

--- Lillian Hellman

[Jon Andersonn]

On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:53:16 -0500, "kurttrail"
> tickled my privates with
this:

>Jim Macklin wrote:
>
>> We're bored and this can be fun.
>>
>
>Yep, some people enjoy being masochists!
>
>Personally, I often wondered why ya'll bother to reply to me too

I don't know about the others, but I reply to you because I realize
you're a very sad, lonely person; I try to give a lift to your day by
responding to you, so you'll have something to look at. Hopefully
this gives you that little *zing* of recognition you obviously so
desperately need. The dull gray clouds that overhang your lonely
existence are thereupon dispelled, if only for a few moments.

It's just the way I am; I truly believe even weirdos deserve to be
happy once in a while. I just try to help whenever I can.

Be happy, you exceedingly strange person.

______________________________________

"I cannot and will not cut my conscience
to fit this year's fashions."

--- Lillian Hellman

[Jon Andersonn]

On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:53:31 -0500, "kurttrail"
> tickled my privates with
this:

>Danny Mingledorff wrote:
>
>> Fixation, yes...
>
>On the removal of all technological copy controls on retail copyrighted
>material.
>
>>
>> Obsession, possibly...
>
>Yeah, but my obsession would be off topic for this group.

Thank you for not writing about it; I really don't want to hear about
your collection of latex underwear. For that I go to
microsoft.public.windowsxp-latex.flonk.flonk.flonk.

______________________________________

"I cannot and will not cut my conscience
to fit this year's fashions."

--- Lillian Hellman

[kurttrail]

Jon Andersonn wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:56:51 -0500, "kurttrail"
> > tickled my privates with
> this:
>
>> Never anonymous Bud wrote:
>>
>>> While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "kurttrail"
>>> > scribbled:
>>>
>>>> Sure seems that way to me, since for the most part my posts have
>>>> stopped disappearing on a regular basis.
>>>
>>> Disappearing from WHERE?
>>>
>>> This is a Usenet newsgroup, it's copied across the net to tens of
>>> thousands (or more) of servers, YOU only see one.
>>
>> And it's was removed from MS's server, msnews.microsoft.com.
>
> Doesn't matter, since it will still be viewed on the servers it's
> propogated out to. You post to your *isp's* newserver, not
> microsoft.com's directly.

Nope, I post directly thru MS's server as do many of the regulars here.

>
> You still seem to be an exceedingly strange person.

Yes. So were and are many people. We are called non-comformists. We are
the people that are smart enough to understand that those who delude
themselves into thinking there are an authority over us and just full of
sh*t.

> I wonder about you.
>

Yes. I do provoke people to think. And having to think frightens many, so
they do & say many irrational things, like lie, cheat, threaten & bully.

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[kurttrail]

E McCann wrote:

> How did you get out of my filters... back in you go, troll-boy.

I don't know. Please provide more information about your problem, or
prehaps MS has an OE newsgroup where you can find some help setting up your
killfile.

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[kurttrail]

Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:

> Kurt - Since, as you are well aware, we do not formally monitor these
> newsgroups,

Bullsh*t. I am well aware that MS monitors these groups, and have been a
victim of that "monitoring" many times.

"Microsoft does not offer formal support for the communities you'll find
here. Instead, our role is to provide a platform for people who want to take
advantage of the global community of Microsoft customers and product
experts." - http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx

MS doesn't not offer *FORMAL* support, but may monitor. It's doesn't say
that MS doesn't "*FORMALLY* monitor." And as far as I can tell, from all
the "monitoring" I have personally received here, that "may" should be
changed to "does" as a matter of full disclosure.

> your "to whom it may concern" is wasted.

ROFL! I cc'ed it to both & . Since
I added your abuse of power to my complaint, just sending it to the MVP addy
wouldn't have sufficed.

> If you have a complaint to make about a MVP then formally state it to
> the relevant person by using the e-mail address provided on
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-US;mvpfaqsis
>
> (This link was also provided to you by JJ in the very first reply to
> you on this thread)

LOL! Actually he provided it in his second reply to me in this thread.
Can't you keep even simple facts straight, or are you so deeply
indoctrinated in BS & FUD that you can even realize the "simple" truth for
yourself?

Juppy's FIRST post:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=eLjq0yiBEHA.1548%40TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gb l

Juppy's SECOND post:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ubtNyZlBEHA.628%40TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl

You really should just leave me be, because you only look foolish after
every encounter with me, Mikey B. Don't you have ANY self-respect at all?

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[kurttrail]

Jon Andersonn wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:24:17 -0500, "kurttrail" >
> tickled my privates with this:
>
>> To whom it may concern:
>>
>> Bruce Chambers, MS-MVP Windows: Shell/User, had the absolute
>> audacity to twice write that my web page,
>> http://microscum.com/mmpafaq/, "openly advocates lying and software
>> *piracy*," in reply to another poster giving the hyperlink to it,
>> and my web site does no such thing.
>
> (blah blah blah).
>
> You're a very strange person;

Yes. Most non-conformists are.

> you should get out of the house more, I
> think.

I agree. It's time to get ready for work.

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[kurttrail]

Jon Andersonn wrote:

> Thank you for not writing about it; I really don't want to hear about
> your collection of latex underwear. For that I go to
> microsoft.public.windowsxp-latex.flonk.flonk.flonk.

http://kurttrail.com

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[kurttrail]

Jon Andersonn wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:53:16 -0500, "kurttrail"
> > tickled my privates with
> this:
>>
>> Yep, some people enjoy being masochists!
>>
>> Personally, I often wondered why ya'll bother to reply to me too
>
> I don't know about the others, but I reply to you because I realize
> you're a very sad, lonely person; I try to give a lift to your day by
> responding to you, so you'll have something to look at.

Who are you? I don't remember any previous conversations with you, so
at the very least any prior encounter definitely was memerable.

> Hopefully
> this gives you that little *zing* of recognition you obviously so
> desperately need.

From a bunch of morons, chickensh*ts, and scumbags? Sorry but ya'll's
recognition of me is totally inconsequential.

> The dull gray clouds that overhang your lonely
> existence are thereupon dispelled, if only for a few moments.

LOL! I often do get a good laugh at ya'll's expense, so I guess in a
way you are right, I really should be thanking ya'll for but the butt of
my jokes.

>
> It's just the way I am; I truly believe even weirdos deserve to be
> happy once in a while. I just try to help whenever I can.

Well this weirdo thanks you for adding yourself to my many MicroJesters.

>
> Be happy, you exceedingly strange person.

I pretty much am a very happy & personally content person, so I guess
that does make me seem to you to be "exceedingly strange." Those that
aren't happy themselves are envious of those that are.

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[kurttrail]

Ian Merrithew wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:28:18 +0000, Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:
>
>> The deliberate breach of a license agreement for software and in
>> particular the multiple installations of unlicensed copies of
>> Windows is software piracy.
>
> Yup, classic Microsoft thinking. No definition of copyright
> infringement in the United States includes the installation of a
> retail copy of software on the owner's own computer(s) for personal
> use, as in fact that right is *explicitly* reserved to the owner of
> the copy (which renders the entire Windows EULA a complete farce,
> since it purports to give you a right *you already have*). So
> Microsoft doesn't label it copyright infringement; they choose the
> nebulous term "piracy", which has no legal definition, so that *they*
> can decide who is and isn't a "software pirate", based on *their*
> say-so and theirs alone.
>
> And they wonder why Linux continues to make inroads, when they
> institute policies to treat all consumers as potential "pirates".
>
> Never mind the recent news of Microsoft's fingers being all over an
> 8-figure transfusion of cash into a certain Utah litigation^W software
> company embroiled in FUD-flinging against Linux, which, if not an
> outright violation of anti-trust law & its settlement, is at least a
> slimy, underhanded, unethical move. Par for the course for this
> convicted monopolist.
>
> To kurt: keep up the good fight, though you do seem to be getting a
> might wound-up lately. Have a beer :).

It may sound that way, but I'm really quite mellowed out. Although I have
had a hard time catching my breath at times from laughing too hard.

Still haven't got even an autoreply from MS. Big Surprise!

Have a good one, Ian.

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[Jon Andersonn]

On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 06:20:52 -0500, "kurttrail"
> tickled my privates with
this:

>Jon Andersonn wrote:

>> You still seem to be an exceedingly strange person.

>Yes. So were and are many people. We are called non-comformists. We are
>the people that are smart enough to understand that those who delude
>themselves into thinking there are an authority over us and just full of
>sh*t.

Mmmm...no, that's not what I meant. Sorry.

>> I wonder about you.

>Yes. I do provoke people to think.

Hrm...no, you provoke me more to fascination than thought.

>And having to think frightens many, so
>they do & say many irrational things, like lie, cheat, threaten & bully.

As a child, you were abused, weren't you?

______________________________________

"I cannot and will not cut my conscience
to fit this year's fashions."

--- Lillian Hellman

[Jon Andersonn]

On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 07:05:02 -0500, "kurttrail"
> tickled my privates with
this:

>Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:
>
>> Kurt - Since, as you are well aware, we do not formally monitor these
>> newsgroups,
>
>Bullsh*t.

Didn't you mean, "bull****"? Why the asterisk?

Stranger and stranger...you interest me.

______________________________________

"I cannot and will not cut my conscience
to fit this year's fashions."

--- Lillian Hellman

[Jon Andersonn]

On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 07:07:43 -0500, "kurttrail"
> tickled my privates with
this:

>Jon Andersonn wrote:

>> You're a very strange person;

>Yes. Most non-conformists are.

You use this phrase often; more as a thing to be worshipped, and not
simply a thing to be.

>> you should get out of the house more, I
>> think.

>I agree. It's time to get ready for work.

Tell all the patients I wish them a *very* good day.

______________________________________

"I cannot and will not cut my conscience
to fit this year's fashions."

--- Lillian Hellman

[Jon Andersonn]

On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 09:18:47 -0500, "kurttrail"
> tickled my privates with
this:

>Jon Andersonn wrote:
>
>> Thank you for not writing about it; I really don't want to hear about
>> your collection of latex underwear. For that I go to
>> microsoft.public.windowsxp-latex.flonk.flonk.flonk.
>
>http://kurttrail.com

No, really; I'm not into latex. But thank you, though.

______________________________________

"I cannot and will not cut my conscience
to fit this year's fashions."

--- Lillian Hellman

[Jon Andersonn]

On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 09:30:55 -0500, "kurttrail"
> tickled my privates with
this:

>Jon Andersonn wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:53:16 -0500, "kurttrail"
>> > tickled my privates with
>> this:
>>>
>>> Yep, some people enjoy being masochists!
>>>
>>> Personally, I often wondered why ya'll bother to reply to me too
>>
>> I don't know about the others, but I reply to you because I realize
>> you're a very sad, lonely person; I try to give a lift to your day by
>> responding to you, so you'll have something to look at.

>Who are you?

I am...me. And you are....?

>I don't remember any previous conversations with you, so
>at the very least any prior encounter definitely was memerable.

You converse and exchange messages only on the condition of a
prequisted previous encounter?

>> Hopefully
>> this gives you that little *zing* of recognition you obviously so
>> desperately need.

>From a bunch of morons, chickensh*ts, and scumbags? Sorry but ya'll's
>recognition of me is totally inconsequential.

I said; "hopefully this gives you that little *zing* of recognition
you obviously so desperately need. That *zing* is mine to give,
without conditions; what you think of it is of little interest to me,
sorry.

>> The dull gray clouds that overhang your lonely
>> existence are thereupon dispelled, if only for a few moments.

>LOL! I often do get a good laugh at ya'll's expense, so I guess in a
>way you are right, I really should be thanking ya'll for but the butt of
>my jokes.

I have not seen any of your jokes yet, so this paragraph makes no
sense.

>> It's just the way I am; I truly believe even weirdos deserve to be
>> happy once in a while. I just try to help whenever I can.

>Well this weirdo thanks you for adding yourself to my many MicroJesters.

I am me. You think you add me to some group; yet I don't recognize
any membership. Sorry.

>> Be happy, you exceedingly strange person.

>I pretty much am a very happy & personally content person...

But you're not...you're not. Nothing you have posted gives me any
indication to the contrary. You appear, from your content, to be
miserable. You do not have to be.

______________________________________

"I cannot and will not cut my conscience
to fit this year's fashions."

--- Lillian Hellman

[kurttrail]

Jon Andersonn wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 07:07:43 -0500, "kurttrail"
> > tickled my privates with
> this:
>
>> Jon Andersonn wrote:
>
>>> You're a very strange person;
>
>> Yes. Most non-conformists are.
>
> You use this phrase often; more as a thing to be worshipped, and not
> simply a thing to be.

Really? I thought I only used it with you.

>
>>> you should get out of the house more, I
>>> think.
>
>> I agree. It's time to get ready for work.
>
> Tell all the patients I wish them a *very* good day.

Excuse me?

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Jon Andersonn wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 09:18:47 -0500, "kurttrail"
> > tickled my privates with
> this:
>
>> Jon Andersonn wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for not writing about it; I really don't want to hear
>>> about your collection of latex underwear. For that I go to
>>> microsoft.public.windowsxp-latex.flonk.flonk.flonk.
>>
>> http://kurttrail.com
>
> No, really; I'm not into latex. But thank you, though.

You were the one who says, "you interest me." I guess that would be a lie
then, because then you would have saw that my obsession is hiking, not the
sexual perversion that you dreamt up out of your own imagination.

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[kurttrail]

Jon Andersonn wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 09:30:55 -0500, "kurttrail"
> > tickled my privates with
> this:
>
>> Jon Andersonn wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:53:16 -0500, "kurttrail"
>>> > tickled my privates
>>> with this:
>>>>
>>>> Yep, some people enjoy being masochists!
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I often wondered why ya'll bother to reply to me too
>>>
>>> I don't know about the others, but I reply to you because I realize
>>> you're a very sad, lonely person; I try to give a lift to your day
>>> by responding to you, so you'll have something to look at.
>
>> Who are you?
>
> I am...me. And you are....?

My identity is no mystery here to anyone but noobs.

>
>> I don't remember any previous conversations with you, so
>> at the very least any prior encounter definitely was memerable.
>
> You converse and exchange messages only on the condition of a
> prequisted previous encounter?

Did I say that?

>
>>> Hopefully
>>> this gives you that little *zing* of recognition you obviously so
>>> desperately need.
>
>> From a bunch of morons, chickensh*ts, and scumbags? Sorry but
>> ya'll's recognition of me is totally inconsequential.
>
> I said; "hopefully this gives you that little *zing* of recognition
> you obviously so desperately need. That *zing* is mine to give,
> without conditions; what you think of it is of little interest to me,
> sorry.

Then don't bother with your zing, because I will express what I think about
it, whether you are interested are not. And ths last statement of yours
makes a lie out of your previous statement that "you interest me," since
what I think is a part of "ME."

>
>>> The dull gray clouds that overhang your lonely
>>> existence are thereupon dispelled, if only for a few moments.
>
>> LOL! I often do get a good laugh at ya'll's expense, so I guess in a
>> way you are right, I really should be thanking ya'll for but the
>> butt of my jokes.
>
> I have not seen any of your jokes yet, so this paragraph makes no
> sense.
>

Seek and ye shall find.

>>> It's just the way I am; I truly believe even weirdos deserve to be
>>> happy once in a while. I just try to help whenever I can.
>
>> Well this weirdo thanks you for adding yourself to my many
>> MicroJesters.
>
> I am me. You think you add me to some group; yet I don't recognize
> any membership. Sorry.
>

It's an honor I bestow, kinda like MS awards MVPs, I award Jestership. You
can refuse it, but that would make little difference.

>>> Be happy, you exceedingly strange person.
>
>> I pretty much am a very happy & personally content person...
>
> But you're not...you're not.

So you stutter, or are you trying to convince yourself.

> Nothing you have posted gives me any
> indication to the contrary.

You're perceptions may be decieving you.

> You appear, from your content, to be
> miserable.

LOL! Why, because I defend myself and my words with vehemently? Because I
don't let liars, chickensh*ts, and bully's get away with their sh*t?

> You do not have to be.

I am rather content at the present and you can repeat "you're not" overe
again like a mantra but the changes nothing about I feel about myself. Have
a good day, I already know that I will.

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[kurttrail]

Jon Andersonn wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 06:20:52 -0500, "kurttrail"
> > tickled my privates with
> this:
>
>> Jon Andersonn wrote:
>
>>> You still seem to be an exceedingly strange person.
>
>> Yes. So were and are many people. We are called non-comformists.
>> We are the people that are smart enough to understand that those who
>> delude themselves into thinking there are an authority over us and
>> just full of sh*t.
>
> Mmmm...no, that's not what I meant. Sorry.
>
>>> I wonder about you.
>
>> Yes. I do provoke people to think.
>
> Hrm...no, you provoke me more to fascination than thought.

Whatever.

>
>> And having to think frightens many, so
>> they do & say many irrational things, like lie, cheat, threaten &
>> bully.
>
> As a child, you were abused, weren't you?
>

Actually I was molested by a Christian Camp counselor when I was a kid. So?
Doesn't everyone have some emotional scars of some kind from their
childhood? It didn't even factor into my decision to turn away from
organized religion, as what really did it was the morons that when they
couldn't come up with a rational answer to a question, would fall back on,
"you gotta faith," or "because that's what the Bible says," and that finally
pushed me out of organized religion, and this experience only enhanced my
personal feeling of spirituality, not detracted from it.

But this may be the reason I don't put up with the morons here. When back
into a corner and asked to legally prove that MS's One Computer term is
legally enforceable individuals over their rights under Copyright Law, they
never really try to prove with laws & court opinions, but rely on the
argument that "MS's EULA says so."

Just like the MicroShills of SCO, trying extort money out of Linux End
Users, before legally proving that there is actually any illegal UNIX code
in Linux, MS extorts individual users of Windows into buying multiple copies
of it, before legally proving that they have a legal right to do so.

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[kurttrail]

Jon Andersonn wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 05:56:02 -0500, "kurttrail"
> > tickled my privates with
> this:
>
>> Jon Andersonn wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 09:18:47 -0500, "kurttrail"
>>> > tickled my privates
>>> with this:
>>>
>>>> Jon Andersonn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for not writing about it; I really don't want to hear
>>>>> about your collection of latex underwear. For that I go to
>>>>> microsoft.public.windowsxp-latex.flonk.flonk.flonk.
>>>>
>>>> http://kurttrail.com
>>>
>>> No, really; I'm not into latex. But thank you, though.
>>
>> You were the one who says, "you interest me." I guess that would be
>> a lie then, because then you would have saw that my obsession is
>> hiking, not the sexual perversion that you dreamt up out of your own
>> imagination.
>
> No, you *do* interest me. I didn't clarify myself; my interest in you
> is the kind of interest that vanishes once I close the newsreader.
>
> My apologies.
>
> Hiking as an obsession though...this is very telling. Thank you for
> revealing that.

I have nothing to hide, unlike my loyal opposition.

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[kurttrail]

Jon Andersonn wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 06:14:39 -0500, "kurttrail"
> > tickled my privates with
> this:
>
>> Jon Andersonn wrote:
>
>>> I am...me. And you are....?
>>
>> My identity is no mystery here to anyone but noobs.
>
> No; you read; but you do not comprehend. This is not what I asked
> you.

Since you didn't complete you thought, what was there to comprehend.

"And you are....?"

>
>>> I said; "hopefully this gives you that little *zing* of recognition
>>> you obviously so desperately need. That *zing* is mine to give,
>>> without conditions; what you think of it is of little interest to
>>> me, sorry.
>>
>> Then don't bother with your zing, because I will express what I
>> think about it, whether you are interested are not.
>
> Again; reading, but without comprehension. This is like hearing, but
> not listening.
>
> I care not what you express yourself about; you should not construe
> lack of care to mean "indifference". They are two seperate things.

Do you often care about things that you are indifferent about? How telling!

>
> I give forth a communication; I simply don't attach an expectation of
> result to the action; I already am aware of the quality of the
> communication given forth. Reading the result is merely an
> affirmation of the already reached conclusion.

What you percieve is affirmation for what you already believe. Of course
you perception isn't influence at all by your already concluded bias. LOL!

>
>>> I have not seen any of your jokes yet, so this paragraph makes no
>>> sense.
>
>> Seek and ye shall find.
>
> As I said; there is interest, but in insufficient depth to justify
> actual effort to elaborate on that interest.

Sounds like your trying to justify it to yourself, not me.

>
>>> I am me. You think you add me to some group; yet I don't recognize
>>> any membership. Sorry.
>
>> It's an honor I bestow, kinda like MS awards MVPs, I award
>> Jestership. You can refuse it, but that would make little
>> difference.
>
> I didn't say I refuse it; I said I don't recognize it. You may do as
> you like.

Pretty much the same thing. It is a conscious choice for you not to
recognize it. Sounds to me like you refuse to recagnize it.

>
>>> You appear, from your content, to be
>>> miserable.
>
>> LOL! Why, because I defend myself and my words with vehemently?
>> Because I don't let liars, chickensh*ts, and bully's get away with
>> their sh*t?
>
> No, because you waste so much precious time and energy upon those
> who's opinions you profess not to be concerned with at all.

Really? And how would you know? This takes hardly any time and very little
effort on my part. And the people that I agrue with, don't concern me at
all. It's the lurkers at their that have heard anyone stand up for their
rights to their copies of software before, that I care about.

>
> Therefore; another agenda is at play here. Now; *this* is
> interesting, in something more than a momentary diversion.

Yes, spreading the knowledge of all the FUD that surrounds the convicted
predatory monopoly called Microsoft to my fellow rational human beings.

>
>>> You do not have to be.
>
>> I am rather content at the present
>
> I hope so. But your content betrays this declaration.

How so? I wasn't content, I just would stop posting here.

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[Shane]

> > Hiking as an obsession though...this is very telling. Thank you for
> > revealing that.

I believe it's about self-control. Self-determination. Seeing the artifice
of modern consumer society as it actually is. Stepping away from the
self-delusion. One of the many activities/states of mind you have to
experience to have a valid opinion of. And quite apropos this thread.

As indeed are the phenomena of Obedience to perceived authority and
Conformity to the group that almost everyone exhibits on account of knowing
as-good-as zero about psychology. I can't decide if it's funny or sad when
one of them starts to pretend an understanding of psychiatry.

I admire your tenacity, mate. I gave up on the zombies long ago.


Shane

[kurttrail]

kurttrail wrote:

> Jon Andersonn wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 06:20:52 -0500, "kurttrail"
>> > tickled my privates
>> with this:
>>
>>> Jon Andersonn wrote:
>>
>>>> You still seem to be an exceedingly strange person.
>>
>>> Yes. So were and are many people. We are called non-comformists.
>>> We are the people that are smart enough to understand that those who
>>> delude themselves into thinking there are an authority over us and
>>> just full of sh*t.
>>
>> Mmmm...no, that's not what I meant. Sorry.
>>
>>>> I wonder about you.
>>
>>> Yes. I do provoke people to think.
>>
>> Hrm...no, you provoke me more to fascination than thought.
>
> Whatever.
>
>>
>>> And having to think frightens many, so
>>> they do & say many irrational things, like lie, cheat, threaten &
>>> bully.
>>
>> As a child, you were abused, weren't you?
>>
>
> Actually I was molested by a Christian Camp counselor when I was a
> kid. So? Doesn't everyone have some emotional scars of some kind
> from their childhood? It didn't even factor into my decision to turn
> away from organized religion, as what really did it was the morons
> that when they couldn't come up with a rational answer to a question,
> would fall back on, "you gotta faith," or "because that's what the
> Bible says," and that finally pushed me out of organized religion,
> and this experience only enhanced my personal feeling of
> spirituality, not detracted from it.
>
> But this may be the reason I don't put up with the morons here. When
> back into a corner and asked to legally prove that MS's One Computer
> term is legally enforceable individuals over their rights under
> Copyright Law, they never really try to prove with laws & court
> opinions, but rely on the argument that "MS's EULA says so."
>
> Just like the MicroShills of SCO, trying extort money out of Linux End
> Users, before legally proving that there is actually any illegal UNIX
> code in Linux, MS extorts individual users of Windows into buying
> multiple copies of it, before legally proving that they have a legal
> right to do so.

See how the chickensh*t Jon avoids any real answer to him like the plague.
All he is concern with is trying to f*ck with me, not my opinions. Another
chickensh*t tactic. Well Jon, thanks for "playing with me," but you've
shown your hand, and you should have folded after the draw of the the cards.

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[kurttrail]

Shane wrote:

>>> Hiking as an obsession though...this is very telling. Thank you for
>>> revealing that.
>
> I believe it's about self-control. Self-determination. Seeing the
> artifice of modern consumer society as it actually is. Stepping away
> from the self-delusion. One of the many activities/states of mind you
> have to experience to have a valid opinion of. And quite apropos this
> thread.
>
> As indeed are the phenomena of Obedience to perceived authority and
> Conformity to the group that almost everyone exhibits on account of
> knowing as-good-as zero about psychology.

Wow! I don't think I coud have expressed any better than you just did. Can
I plagerize it?

> I can't decide if it's
> funny or sad when one of them starts to pretend an understanding of
> psychiatry.

Ulimately, it is sad, but I like to try to find the humor in any situation,
even tragedy.

>
> I admire your tenacity, mate. I gave up on the zombies long ago.



Thanks, for your very kind words! :)

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[Jon Andersonn]

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:28:35 -0500, "kurttrail"
> tickled my privates with
this:

>See how the chickensh*t Jon avoids any real answer to him

You meant "any real answer to *me*"; I don't need to answer myself,
because I already know.

>like the plague.
>All he is concern with is trying to f*ck with me, not my opinions.

To "f*ck" with you would imply a level of interest on my part opposite
my already stated level of interest.

>Another
>chickensh*t tactic. Well Jon, thanks for "playing with me," but you've
>shown your hand, and you should have folded after the draw of the the cards.

This tactic will not work. You must think of another.

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--- Lillian Hellman

[Jon Andersonn]

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:29:03 -0500, "kurttrail"
> tickled my privates with
this:

>Jon Andersonn wrote:

>> No, you *do* interest me. I didn't clarify myself; my interest in you
>> is the kind of interest that vanishes once I close the newsreader.
>>
>> My apologies.
>>
>> Hiking as an obsession though...this is very telling. Thank you for
>> revealing that.
>
>I have nothing to hide, unlike my loyal opposition.

This is a constant, it seems; there is a difference between *reading*
(hearing) and *comprehension* (listening).

I did not say you were hiding something; I said your obsession with
hiking was very *telling*, meaning that, even if you were choosing to
hide something, this is a thing that cannot be hidden, whether you
choose to or not.

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[Jon Andersonn]

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:45:33 -0500, "kurttrail"
> tickled my privates with
this:

>Do you often care about things that you are indifferent about? How telling!

Not really; but you are easy to manipulate, nonetheless. Have you
noticed at all over the past few days that I effectively derailed your
ineffective puerile spew and drew your attention into a discussion
that acutally had no intrinsic meaning other than that which serves my
own amusement?

And you went for it like a starving grouper for a worm.

Ok; *now* I'm done.

Twit™.

(tee hee.....)

Say hello to the counselors the next time you go to camp, Matilda.

(The mail coming into the ackerboyy account is really hilarious; isn't
it a shame that it's just an account I created for the sole purpose of
this exchange? Oh; poof; it's gone now.)

[Never anonymous Bud]

While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', Jon Andersonn >
scribbled:

>You meant "any real answer to *me*"; I don't need to answer myself,
>because I already know.

Kurt has already had WAY more than his 15 minutes of 'fame',
it's best to just ignore him.





To reply by email, remove the XYZ.

Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.

This sig censored by the Office of Home and Land Insecurity....

[kurttrail]

Never anonymous Bud wrote:

> While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', Jon Andersonn
> > scribbled:
>
>> You meant "any real answer to *me*"; I don't need to answer myself,
>> because I already know.
>
> Kurt has already had WAY more than his 15 minutes of 'fame',
> it's best to just ignore him.

This is fame? I thought is was a newsgroup, and I'm just one of many
posters. Whether you want to call it fame or infamy you would give me too
much credit in either instance.

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[kurttrail]

Jon Andersonn wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:45:33 -0500, "kurttrail"
> > tickled my privates with
> this:
>
>> Do you often care about things that you are indifferent about? How
>> telling!
>
> Not really; but you are easy to manipulate, nonetheless. Have you
> noticed at all over the past few days that I effectively derailed your
> ineffective puerile spew and drew your attention into a discussion
> that acutally had no intrinsic meaning other than that which serves my
> own amusement?
>
> And you went for it like a starving grouper for a worm.
>
> Ok; *now* I'm done.
>
> TwitT.
>
> (tee hee.....)
>
> Say hello to the counselors the next time you go to camp, Matilda.
>
> (The mail coming into the ackerboyy account is really hilarious; isn't
> it a shame that it's just an account I created for the sole purpose of
> this exchange? Oh; poof; it's gone now.)

PMSL! You can thank the spambots for the mail, numbskull. Poof! ROFL!

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[kurttrail]

Jon Andersonn wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:29:03 -0500, "kurttrail"
> > tickled my privates with
> this:
>
>> Jon Andersonn wrote:
>
>>> No, you *do* interest me. I didn't clarify myself; my interest in
>>> you is the kind of interest that vanishes once I close the
>>> newsreader.
>>>
>>> My apologies.
>>>
>>> Hiking as an obsession though...this is very telling. Thank you for
>>> revealing that.
>>
>> I have nothing to hide, unlike my loyal opposition.
>
> This is a constant, it seems; there is a difference between *reading*
> (hearing) and *comprehension* (listening).
>
> I did not say you were hiding something; I said your obsession with
> hiking was very *telling*, meaning that, even if you were choosing to
> hide something, this is a thing that cannot be hidden, whether you
> choose to or not.
>

You're the one that thanked me for revealing my hiking obsession. I
actually revealed it a couple of posts ago, but your playing dense.
Something you do rather well, by the way.

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[kurttrail]

Jon Andersonn wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:28:35 -0500, "kurttrail"
> > tickled my privates with
> this:
>
>> See how the chickensh*t Jon avoids any real answer to him
>
> You meant "any real answer to *me*"; I don't need to answer myself,
> because I already know.
>
>> like the plague.
>> All he is concern with is trying to f*ck with me, not my opinions.
>
> To "f*ck" with you would imply a level of interest on my part opposite
> my already stated level of interest.
>
>> Another
>> chickensh*t tactic. Well Jon, thanks for "playing with me," but
>> you've shown your hand, and you should have folded after the draw of
>> the the cards.
>
> This tactic will not work. You must think of another.

PMSL!

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[kurttrail]

Never anonymous Bud wrote:

> While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "kurttrail"
> > scribbled:
>
>> Sure seems that way to me, since for the most part my posts have
>> stopped disappearing on a regular basis.
>
> Disappearing from WHERE?
>
> This is a Usenet newsgroup, it's copied across the net to tens of
> thousands (or more) of servers, YOU only see one.

And it's was removed from MS's server, msnews.microsoft.com.

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[kurttrail]

Danny Mingledorff wrote:

> Fixation, yes...

On the removal of all technological copy controls on retail copyrighted
material.

>
> Obsession, possibly...

Yeah, but my obsession would be off topic for this group.

>
> but no Dementia...
>
> Sorry, Kurt, but we're real, at least most of us...

Damn! And I was still holding onto the hope that there really aren't that
many morons, like Bud, out there! ;-)

Oh well, thanks for clearing that up!

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[Shane]

"kurttrail" > wrote in message
...
> Shane wrote:
>
> >>> Hiking as an obsession though...this is very telling. Thank you for
> >>> revealing that.
> >
> > I believe it's about self-control. Self-determination. Seeing the
> > artifice of modern consumer society as it actually is. Stepping away
> > from the self-delusion. One of the many activities/states of mind you
> > have to experience to have a valid opinion of. And quite apropos this
> > thread.
> >
> > As indeed are the phenomena of Obedience to perceived authority and
> > Conformity to the group that almost everyone exhibits on account of
> > knowing as-good-as zero about psychology.
>
> Wow! I don't think I coud have expressed any better than you just did.
Can
> I plagerize it?

Feel free! (first you have to want to, eh? ;-) )

>
> > I can't decide if it's
> > funny or sad when one of them starts to pretend an understanding of
> > psychiatry.
>
> Ulimately, it is sad, but I like to try to find the humor in any
situation,
> even tragedy.
>

Reminds me of something the Firesign Theatre once said.

> >
> > I admire your tenacity, mate. I gave up on the zombies long ago.
>
>
>
> Thanks, for your very kind words! :)
>

No prob. It's reassuring to know not everyone's asleep.

Shane

[Ian Merrithew]

On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:28:18 +0000, Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:

> The deliberate breach of a license agreement for software and in
> particular the multiple installations of unlicensed copies of Windows is
> software piracy.

Yup, classic Microsoft thinking. No definition of copyright infringement
in the United States includes the installation of a retail copy of
software on the owner's own computer(s) for personal use, as in fact that
right is *explicitly* reserved to the owner of the copy (which renders the
entire Windows EULA a complete farce, since it purports to give you a
right *you already have*). So Microsoft doesn't label it copyright
infringement; they choose the nebulous term "piracy", which has no legal
definition, so that *they* can decide who is and isn't a "software
pirate", based on *their* say-so and theirs alone.

And they wonder why Linux continues to make inroads, when they institute
policies to treat all consumers as potential "pirates".

Never mind the recent news of Microsoft's fingers being all over an
8-figure transfusion of cash into a certain Utah litigation^W software
company embroiled in FUD-flinging against Linux, which, if not an outright
violation of anti-trust law & its settlement, is at least a slimy,
underhanded, unethical move. Par for the course for this convicted
monopolist.

To kurt: keep up the good fight, though you do seem to be getting a might
wound-up lately. Have a beer :).

--
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[Jon Andersonn]

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 06:14:39 -0500, "kurttrail"
> tickled my privates with
this:

>Jon Andersonn wrote:

>> I am...me. And you are....?
>
>My identity is no mystery here to anyone but noobs.

No; you read; but you do not comprehend. This is not what I asked
you.

>> I said; "hopefully this gives you that little *zing* of recognition
>> you obviously so desperately need. That *zing* is mine to give,
>> without conditions; what you think of it is of little interest to me,
>> sorry.
>
>Then don't bother with your zing, because I will express what I think about
>it, whether you are interested are not.

Again; reading, but without comprehension. This is like hearing, but
not listening.

I care not what you express yourself about; you should not construe
lack of care to mean "indifference". They are two seperate things.

I give forth a communication; I simply don't attach an expectation of
result to the action; I already am aware of the quality of the
communication given forth. Reading the result is merely an
affirmation of the already reached conclusion.

>> I have not seen any of your jokes yet, so this paragraph makes no
>> sense.

>Seek and ye shall find.

As I said; there is interest, but in insufficient depth to justify
actual effort to elaborate on that interest.

>> I am me. You think you add me to some group; yet I don't recognize
>> any membership. Sorry.

>It's an honor I bestow, kinda like MS awards MVPs, I award Jestership. You
>can refuse it, but that would make little difference.

I didn't say I refuse it; I said I don't recognize it. You may do as
you like.

>> You appear, from your content, to be
>> miserable.

>LOL! Why, because I defend myself and my words with vehemently? Because I
>don't let liars, chickensh*ts, and bully's get away with their sh*t?

No, because you waste so much precious time and energy upon those
who's opinions you profess not to be concerned with at all.

Therefore; another agenda is at play here. Now; *this* is
interesting, in something more than a momentary diversion.

>> You do not have to be.

>I am rather content at the present

I hope so. But your content betrays this declaration.

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[Cary Shultz [A.D. MVP]]

Kurt,

Some people who understand German might not find the "Produckt-Aktivierung
macht frei" so appropriate. This is obviously a spin-off of the "Arbeit
macht frei" ( essentially translated to 'Freedom through work' )- the sign
that hung over the entrance gates at many Concentration Camps in Nazi
Germany, Poland and Austria during Hitler's watch. Not cool!

And I am definitely not political correct in most cases!

Cary

"kurttrail" > wrote in message
...
> someone wrote:
>
> > well i don't see why you got this upset.
>
> Hmm! For a guy that's about to go way off the friggin' topic of this
> thread, I can see why you don't see why I you don't understand. And I'm
far
> from upset.
>
> >
> > firstly i reviewed some of the posts, and yeah you're both at each
> > other. so what? that happens in an open forum. move on....
>
> Except that I actually have the decency to answer him. The fool wants to
> talk sh*t about me, but hides himself from my replies.
>
> >
> > also while reviewing your posts you stated that installing software
> > on more than one machine is not illegal. that is so. the eula you are
> > fond of quoting though doesn't prevent this. it covers "activating"
> > on more than one machine as being a violation. also bypassing the
> > activation system (ghosting/imaging an activated drive) to allow
> > multiple installs. basically i find it quite funny that people to
> > this day still protest that a company be paid for a product.
>
> They were paid. What amazes me that people don't protest about paying for
> the same copyrighted material more than once! If you had to buy the same
> music CD for every different CD player you own, I bet we'd hear a lot more
> protesting.
>
> > the
> > people out there yelling the loudest about the activation
> > (anti-piracy) scheme are the ones typically pirating windows and
> > think it should be free.
>
> LOL! Are you talking about the Open Source community?
>
> > granted my opinion is also that software
> > should be free and copyright is kinda lame as it's an idea or concept
> > or grouping of words etc.... how can someone own a thought? but that
> > doesn't change the fact that we live in a society that does believe
> > in intellectual propert rights.
>
> It has also a society that cherishes fair use too. We wouldn't have Free
> Public Libraries if that wasn't the case. It's mostly the corporate
> copyright owners propaganda outlets that promote the belief that the
general
> public is concerned with their IP rights.
>
> Like the TV news organizations would present a fair and balanced view of
> copyright when they're owned by the largest Corporate Copyright Owners the
> world has ever seen!
>
> > the activation scheme is to try to
> > keep down the buy once install on every one you know's p.c. practice
> > that has been going on for a long time now.
>
> Really? Since most of the computers out there in the western world came
> with the OS already installed, are you suggesting that the Major OEMs are
> engaged in software piracy? Hmm?
>
> >
> > how many people do you know as individuals and not comapnies that
> > actaully purchased win 98? i can think personally of 3 (sadly myself
> > included) out of possibly 30-40 who had the software installed.
>
> See, most of the people I know bought their computers from Compaq/HP,
Sony,
> Dell, or Gateway. They use the OS that's pre-installed for them. And
since
> most average ccomputer users buy their computers from the major OEMs, and
> are too frightened and dumb to upgrade to a different OS, I would believe
> that your causal copying confessional to be the aberration, not the norm.
>
> Where software piracy of MS's OS is rampant, in Asia, the real pirates
beat
> MS to market! And yet for all the real piracy going on, MS still was able
> to amass it's $52 billion cash horde. How does that happen? Do you want
to
> know how? Because the cost of real piracy is passed down to the paying
> consumer on every copy of MS's OS that is sold.
>
> PA doesn't stop real piracy, it just tries to squeeze more money out of
> those who already have paid, by tricking them into buying more copies than
> they legally need to buy.
>
> the
> > activation policies aren't geared toward preventing people who
> > purchased the os from using it.
>
> Sure it is! The real pirates don't even have to bother with PA.
>
> > it's designed to keep the people who
> > didn't purchase it from using it.
>
> How? "When you activate Windows, you are not required to send any
personal
> information to Microsoft. Activation is completely anonymous." -
> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/apolicy.asp
>
> It's designed to FUD people into believe MS's One Computer nonsense,
instead
> of proving it by legal means.
>
> > and after several activations i
> > have never been asked for persoanl info.
>
> Have you ever had to talk to a PA phone rep to activate? If so, did they
> ask you why you were activating?
>
> > just my activation key and
> > what product im trying to activate. the system flags suspect
> > activations and after a while the prod key you have won't allow
> > windows updates or service packs to be installed (those where the
> > portion of the activation key hash that relates to the product key
> > used showing up excessively) .
>
> Well, that's total BS! There are only to Product ID's that have been
> disabled from future updates with the introduction of SP1, and they are
both
> Volume License ProdIDs.
>
> > reps in activations are told to ask
> > for a name to personalize a call (you know make it friendly) not to
> > have the ms cops beat down your door.
>
> Well then they did ask you for personal info, that you are not required to
> give in order to activate Windows XP.
>
> "The only information required to activate is an installation ID (and, for
> Office XP and Office XP family products such as Visio 2002, the name of
the
> country in which the product is being installed)." -
> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/mpafaq.asp#details
>
> > microsoft definately
> > understands what bad p.r. is and how to not heap it on themselves
> > needlessly. when people complained about volume licensing microsoft
> > retracted a lot of proposed policy changes.
>
> For their corporate customers, who also aren't burdened with PA. But the
> individual consumer, MS doesn't give 2 sh*ts about. They are more worried
> about protecting their OS from their paying customers, than protecting
those
> customers from MS's bug-riddled code.
>
> >
> > so please just chill out and quit worrying about the ms cops comin
> > for your hard drive cause you violated a eula
>
> Now did I ever say that? Please quote me.
>
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>
>

[phil]

Would you mind leaving politics out of this newsgroup please.What we are
looking for is help, help, and more help.
Your assumptions might be totally wrong.
Let`s concentrate on "windows XP"
Thanks Phil



"Cary Shultz [A.D. MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> Kurt,
>
> Some people who understand German might not find the "Produckt-Aktivierung
> macht frei" so appropriate. This is obviously a spin-off of the "Arbeit
> macht frei" ( essentially translated to 'Freedom through work' )- the sign
> that hung over the entrance gates at many Concentration Camps in Nazi
> Germany, Poland and Austria during Hitler's watch. Not cool!
>
> And I am definitely not political correct in most cases!
>
> Cary
>
> "kurttrail" > wrote in message
> ...
> > someone wrote:
> >
> > > well i don't see why you got this upset.
> >
> > Hmm! For a guy that's about to go way off the friggin' topic of this
> > thread, I can see why you don't see why I you don't understand. And I'm
> far
> > from upset.
> >
> > >
> > > firstly i reviewed some of the posts, and yeah you're both at each
> > > other. so what? that happens in an open forum. move on....
> >
> > Except that I actually have the decency to answer him. The fool wants
to
> > talk sh*t about me, but hides himself from my replies.
> >
> > >
> > > also while reviewing your posts you stated that installing software
> > > on more than one machine is not illegal. that is so. the eula you are
> > > fond of quoting though doesn't prevent this. it covers "activating"
> > > on more than one machine as being a violation. also bypassing the
> > > activation system (ghosting/imaging an activated drive) to allow
> > > multiple installs. basically i find it quite funny that people to
> > > this day still protest that a company be paid for a product.
> >
> > They were paid. What amazes me that people don't protest about paying
for
> > the same copyrighted material more than once! If you had to buy the
same
> > music CD for every different CD player you own, I bet we'd hear a lot
more
> > protesting.
> >
> > > the
> > > people out there yelling the loudest about the activation
> > > (anti-piracy) scheme are the ones typically pirating windows and
> > > think it should be free.
> >
> > LOL! Are you talking about the Open Source community?
> >
> > > granted my opinion is also that software
> > > should be free and copyright is kinda lame as it's an idea or concept
> > > or grouping of words etc.... how can someone own a thought? but that
> > > doesn't change the fact that we live in a society that does believe
> > > in intellectual propert rights.
> >
> > It has also a society that cherishes fair use too. We wouldn't have
Free
> > Public Libraries if that wasn't the case. It's mostly the corporate
> > copyright owners propaganda outlets that promote the belief that the
> general
> > public is concerned with their IP rights.
> >
> > Like the TV news organizations would present a fair and balanced view of
> > copyright when they're owned by the largest Corporate Copyright Owners
the
> > world has ever seen!
> >
> > > the activation scheme is to try to
> > > keep down the buy once install on every one you know's p.c. practice
> > > that has been going on for a long time now.
> >
> > Really? Since most of the computers out there in the western world came
> > with the OS already installed, are you suggesting that the Major OEMs
are
> > engaged in software piracy? Hmm?
> >
> > >
> > > how many people do you know as individuals and not comapnies that
> > > actaully purchased win 98? i can think personally of 3 (sadly myself
> > > included) out of possibly 30-40 who had the software installed.
> >
> > See, most of the people I know bought their computers from Compaq/HP,
> Sony,
> > Dell, or Gateway. They use the OS that's pre-installed for them. And
> since
> > most average ccomputer users buy their computers from the major OEMs,
and
> > are too frightened and dumb to upgrade to a different OS, I would
believe
> > that your causal copying confessional to be the aberration, not the
norm.
> >
> > Where software piracy of MS's OS is rampant, in Asia, the real pirates
> beat
> > MS to market! And yet for all the real piracy going on, MS still was
able
> > to amass it's $52 billion cash horde. How does that happen? Do you
want
> to
> > know how? Because the cost of real piracy is passed down to the paying
> > consumer on every copy of MS's OS that is sold.
> >
> > PA doesn't stop real piracy, it just tries to squeeze more money out of
> > those who already have paid, by tricking them into buying more copies
than
> > they legally need to buy.
> >
> > the
> > > activation policies aren't geared toward preventing people who
> > > purchased the os from using it.
> >
> > Sure it is! The real pirates don't even have to bother with PA.
> >
> > > it's designed to keep the people who
> > > didn't purchase it from using it.
> >
> > How? "When you activate Windows, you are not required to send any
> personal
> > information to Microsoft. Activation is completely anonymous." -
> > http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/apolicy.asp
> >
> > It's designed to FUD people into believe MS's One Computer nonsense,
> instead
> > of proving it by legal means.
> >
> > > and after several activations i
> > > have never been asked for persoanl info.
> >
> > Have you ever had to talk to a PA phone rep to activate? If so, did
they
> > ask you why you were activating?
> >
> > > just my activation key and
> > > what product im trying to activate. the system flags suspect
> > > activations and after a while the prod key you have won't allow
> > > windows updates or service packs to be installed (those where the
> > > portion of the activation key hash that relates to the product key
> > > used showing up excessively) .
> >
> > Well, that's total BS! There are only to Product ID's that have been
> > disabled from future updates with the introduction of SP1, and they are
> both
> > Volume License ProdIDs.
> >
> > > reps in activations are told to ask
> > > for a name to personalize a call (you know make it friendly) not to
> > > have the ms cops beat down your door.
> >
> > Well then they did ask you for personal info, that you are not required
to
> > give in order to activate Windows XP.
> >
> > "The only information required to activate is an installation ID (and,
for
> > Office XP and Office XP family products such as Visio 2002, the name of
> the
> > country in which the product is being installed)." -
> > http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/mpafaq.asp#details
> >
> > > microsoft definately
> > > understands what bad p.r. is and how to not heap it on themselves
> > > needlessly. when people complained about volume licensing microsoft
> > > retracted a lot of proposed policy changes.
> >
> > For their corporate customers, who also aren't burdened with PA. But
the
> > individual consumer, MS doesn't give 2 sh*ts about. They are more
worried
> > about protecting their OS from their paying customers, than protecting
> those
> > customers from MS's bug-riddled code.
> >
> > >
> > > so please just chill out and quit worrying about the ms cops comin
> > > for your hard drive cause you violated a eula
> >
> > Now did I ever say that? Please quote me.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Peace!
> > Kurt
> > Self-anointed Moderator
> > microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> > http://microscum.com
> > "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> > "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
> >
> >
>
>

[Spinner]

<PLONK>


"phil" > wrote in message
...
> Would you mind leaving politics out of this newsgroup please.What we are
> looking for is help, help, and more help.
> Your assumptions might be totally wrong.
> Let`s concentrate on "windows XP"
> Thanks Phil
>
>
>
> "Cary Shultz [A.D. MVP]" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Kurt,
> >
> > Some people who understand German might not find the
"Produckt-Aktivierung
> > macht frei" so appropriate. This is obviously a spin-off of the "Arbeit
> > macht frei" ( essentially translated to 'Freedom through work' )- the
sign
> > that hung over the entrance gates at many Concentration Camps in Nazi
> > Germany, Poland and Austria during Hitler's watch. Not cool!
> >
> > And I am definitely not political correct in most cases!
> >
> > Cary
> >
> > "kurttrail" > wrote in
message
> > ...
> > > someone wrote:
> > >
> > > > well i don't see why you got this upset.
> > >
> > > Hmm! For a guy that's about to go way off the friggin' topic of this
> > > thread, I can see why you don't see why I you don't understand. And
I'm
> > far
> > > from upset.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > firstly i reviewed some of the posts, and yeah you're both at each
> > > > other. so what? that happens in an open forum. move on....
> > >
> > > Except that I actually have the decency to answer him. The fool wants
> to
> > > talk sh*t about me, but hides himself from my replies.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > also while reviewing your posts you stated that installing software
> > > > on more than one machine is not illegal. that is so. the eula you
are
> > > > fond of quoting though doesn't prevent this. it covers "activating"
> > > > on more than one machine as being a violation. also bypassing the
> > > > activation system (ghosting/imaging an activated drive) to allow
> > > > multiple installs. basically i find it quite funny that people to
> > > > this day still protest that a company be paid for a product.
> > >
> > > They were paid. What amazes me that people don't protest about paying
> for
> > > the same copyrighted material more than once! If you had to buy the
> same
> > > music CD for every different CD player you own, I bet we'd hear a lot
> more
> > > protesting.
> > >
> > > > the
> > > > people out there yelling the loudest about the activation
> > > > (anti-piracy) scheme are the ones typically pirating windows and
> > > > think it should be free.
> > >
> > > LOL! Are you talking about the Open Source community?
> > >
> > > > granted my opinion is also that software
> > > > should be free and copyright is kinda lame as it's an idea or
concept
> > > > or grouping of words etc.... how can someone own a thought? but that
> > > > doesn't change the fact that we live in a society that does believe
> > > > in intellectual propert rights.
> > >
> > > It has also a society that cherishes fair use too. We wouldn't have
> Free
> > > Public Libraries if that wasn't the case. It's mostly the corporate
> > > copyright owners propaganda outlets that promote the belief that the
> > general
> > > public is concerned with their IP rights.
> > >
> > > Like the TV news organizations would present a fair and balanced view
of
> > > copyright when they're owned by the largest Corporate Copyright Owners
> the
> > > world has ever seen!
> > >
> > > > the activation scheme is to try to
> > > > keep down the buy once install on every one you know's p.c. practice
> > > > that has been going on for a long time now.
> > >
> > > Really? Since most of the computers out there in the western world
came
> > > with the OS already installed, are you suggesting that the Major OEMs
> are
> > > engaged in software piracy? Hmm?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > how many people do you know as individuals and not comapnies that
> > > > actaully purchased win 98? i can think personally of 3 (sadly myself
> > > > included) out of possibly 30-40 who had the software installed.
> > >
> > > See, most of the people I know bought their computers from Compaq/HP,
> > Sony,
> > > Dell, or Gateway. They use the OS that's pre-installed for them. And
> > since
> > > most average ccomputer users buy their computers from the major OEMs,
> and
> > > are too frightened and dumb to upgrade to a different OS, I would
> believe
> > > that your causal copying confessional to be the aberration, not the
> norm.
> > >
> > > Where software piracy of MS's OS is rampant, in Asia, the real pirates
> > beat
> > > MS to market! And yet for all the real piracy going on, MS still was
> able
> > > to amass it's $52 billion cash horde. How does that happen? Do you
> want
> > to
> > > know how? Because the cost of real piracy is passed down to the
paying
> > > consumer on every copy of MS's OS that is sold.
> > >
> > > PA doesn't stop real piracy, it just tries to squeeze more money out
of
> > > those who already have paid, by tricking them into buying more copies
> than
> > > they legally need to buy.
> > >
> > > the
> > > > activation policies aren't geared toward preventing people who
> > > > purchased the os from using it.
> > >
> > > Sure it is! The real pirates don't even have to bother with PA.
> > >
> > > > it's designed to keep the people who
> > > > didn't purchase it from using it.
> > >
> > > How? "When you activate Windows, you are not required to send any
> > personal
> > > information to Microsoft. Activation is completely anonymous." -
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/apolicy.asp
> > >
> > > It's designed to FUD people into believe MS's One Computer nonsense,
> > instead
> > > of proving it by legal means.
> > >
> > > > and after several activations i
> > > > have never been asked for persoanl info.
> > >
> > > Have you ever had to talk to a PA phone rep to activate? If so, did
> they
> > > ask you why you were activating?
> > >
> > > > just my activation key and
> > > > what product im trying to activate. the system flags suspect
> > > > activations and after a while the prod key you have won't allow
> > > > windows updates or service packs to be installed (those where the
> > > > portion of the activation key hash that relates to the product key
> > > > used showing up excessively) .
> > >
> > > Well, that's total BS! There are only to Product ID's that have been
> > > disabled from future updates with the introduction of SP1, and they
are
> > both
> > > Volume License ProdIDs.
> > >
> > > > reps in activations are told to ask
> > > > for a name to personalize a call (you know make it friendly) not to
> > > > have the ms cops beat down your door.
> > >
> > > Well then they did ask you for personal info, that you are not
required
> to
> > > give in order to activate Windows XP.
> > >
> > > "The only information required to activate is an installation ID (and,
> for
> > > Office XP and Office XP family products such as Visio 2002, the name
of
> > the
> > > country in which the product is being installed)." -
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/mpafaq.asp#details
> > >
> > > > microsoft definately
> > > > understands what bad p.r. is and how to not heap it on themselves
> > > > needlessly. when people complained about volume licensing microsoft
> > > > retracted a lot of proposed policy changes.
> > >
> > > For their corporate customers, who also aren't burdened with PA. But
> the
> > > individual consumer, MS doesn't give 2 sh*ts about. They are more
> worried
> > > about protecting their OS from their paying customers, than protecting
> > those
> > > customers from MS's bug-riddled code.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > so please just chill out and quit worrying about the ms cops comin
> > > > for your hard drive cause you violated a eula
> > >
> > > Now did I ever say that? Please quote me.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Peace!
> > > Kurt
> > > Self-anointed Moderator
> > > microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> > > http://microscum.com
> > > "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> > > "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[kurttrail]

Cary Shultz [A.D. MVP] wrote:

> Kurt,
>
> Some people who understand German might not find the
> "Produckt-Aktivierung macht frei" so appropriate. This is obviously
> a spin-off of the "Arbeit macht frei" ( essentially translated to
> 'Freedom through work' )- the sign that hung over the entrance gates
> at many Concentration Camps in Nazi Germany, Poland and Austria
> during Hitler's watch. Not cool!
>
> And I am definitely not political correct in most cases!
>
> Cary

I find it totally appropriate. MS is locking up everybody's computer in
their PA concentration camp against the will of the consumers that own those
computers, while trying to BS how PA's a good thing for consumers, just like
the lie the Nazis put up on the Gates of Concentration Camps, telling those
entering that their slave labor will free them.

MS is an economic fascist organization that uses it's monopoly power to
bully, coerce, threaten, & lie to others in order to get it's own way. So
if MS doesn't want to be called a bunch of MicroNazis, they will have to
change the way they do business.

I'm not politically correct in any case, as I believe in free speech. I
once joked that Janet Jackson breast ended Western Civilization as we know
it, and now it's not so funny, since the reaction to her breast is main
impetus for the US gov't turning into the morality police for the public
airwaves, on the complaints of a few religious fanatics. How soon will they
get to the web?

The fanatic forces of censorship are already at work in this group. I had a
whole thread of mine pulled this week, for asking all those that believe
MS's EULA terms are inviolable, despite not ever being legally proven to be
so, if they believed that IBM should accept SCO's licensing claims before
they prove it legally. Wait until our religious whackos get a hold of the
net!

Political Correctness is all about conformity, just like PA is about getting
people to conform to the idea that MS has the power to tell you what you can
and can't do with YOUR copy of copyrighted material for your own private
non-commercial use, despite legally sanctioned "fair use."

If you believe in political correctness in some circumstances, then you are
no better than the religious whackos that complain about violence in
mass-media, yet rush out to see a human being get tortured for a couple of
hours in a movie theatre.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

[kurttrail]

Spinner wrote:

> <PLONK>

LOL! I just love you morons with your killfiles! Does it get you hard when
you add another victim to your kill list?

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

[kurttrail]

phil wrote:

> Would you mind leaving politics out of this newsgroup please.What we
> are looking for is help, help, and more help.
> Your assumptions might be totally wrong.
> Let`s concentrate on "windows XP"
> Thanks Phil

There are plenty of threads here that deal all about the problems of Windows
XP, just choose your particular poison. This thread is about the
inter-presonal dynamics of this group, and I am definitely fair game.

If Cary chooses to use "political correctness" as a means to deflect
attention away from the lies of another MVP, he is entirely free to do so.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

[kurttrail]

kurttrail wrote:

> To whom it may concern:
>
> Bruce Chambers, MS-MVP Windows: Shell/User, had the absolute audacity
> to twice write that my web page, http://microscum.com/mmpafaq/,
> "openly advocates lying and software *piracy*," in reply to another
> poster giving the hyperlink to it, and my web site does no such thing.
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=104h2tf88n8lqbb%40corp.supernews.com
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=104h2s3c9kn3i7d%40corp.supernews.com
>
> Bruce later recanted on the "software piracy" part, but in so doing,
> he then accused me of advocating copyright infringement, when my
> whole web page is devoted to showing that it is not, in fact, a
> copyright infringement to install software on more than one computer.
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=104ld06q98suk5f%40corp.supernews.com
>
> As for "*openly* *advocates* *lying*," you can plainly see that he
> goes to great lengths to rationalize it, but by doing so, he shows
> how apparent it is that I never "*OPENLY*" advocated lying on my web
> page.
>
> Now I've been advised by another MS-MVP, Jupiter Jones aka Mat
> Kimball, to bring my complaint against Bruce to Microsoft directly.
> Quite frankly I consider it a big waste of time, but on the
> off-chance that their are some reasonable people working at
> Microsoft, I bring my petition for the removal of Bruce Chambers as a
> MS-MVP to your attention.
>
> Now about Jupiter Jones, this MS-MVP actually had the audacity to
> change my signature, in a reply to one of my posts.
>
> From this:
>
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>
> to this:
>
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>> Self-anointed Moderator
>> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
>> XXXXXXXXXXX
>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=OK2OrriBEHA.3524%40TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gb l
>
> Is behaving like a Troll what MS expects of it's MVP's? Are Bruce's &
> Jupiter's underhanded behavior the kind behavior that MS condones in
> it's MVP's? Does MS not care about how they are represented by their
> MVP's in Microsoft's public newsgroups? It would seem to me that at
> least one Microsoft employee doesn't care, and seems to clearly abuse
> his position as a Microsoft employee by suggesting that he could pull
> my posts at his own discretion. His name is Mike Brannigan.
>
> "I have given up nothing, and may well still remove this entire
> thread as being outside of the focus of this newsgroup; which I am
> perfectly entitled to do. This thread also contains unsubstantiated
> accusation directed at someone personally - which again is a
> perfectly valid reason for this entire thread to be removed from this
> group."
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=%23hiALktBEHA.3360%40TK2MSFTNGP11.phx. gbl
>
> Mike threatens to use his position at Microsoft to censor me for being
> off-topic and for the way I attempted to dispel Bruce's fallacious
> claims to the rest of the group, and yet in his next post, Mike
> boldly tries to defend the fallacy, that even Bruce himself backed
> down from, that my web page "*OPENLY* advocates . . . . software
> piracy.
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=eHHO87uBEHA.3852%40TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gb l
>
> Does anyone at Microsoft really care how your employees & MVPs conduct
> themselves on Microsoft's behalf in Microsoft's Public Newsgroups, or
> is this just the big waste of time I earlier talked about? My guess
> would be the later, but I'm still holding a glimmer of hope that
> there may actually be some people of good conscience that still work
> for Microsoft.
>
> Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter.

I now recant my thanks, as I have yet to even receive an automated reply.
Obviously there is no one at MS that has the comman decency to reply. While
not unexpected, I have to admit to a little disapointment. Oh well, at
least I've been proven right yet again.

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[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

kurttrail;
All that has been proven is that you are unwilling or unable to use
the proper forums as already explained to you.
Or perhaps you prefer here to make your whines more visible?
As you already know, these newsgroups are not officially monitored by
Microsoft.

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"kurttrail" > wrote in
message news:%> I now recant my thanks, as I have yet to even receive
an automated reply.
> Obviously there is no one at MS that has the comman decency to
reply. While
> not unexpected, I have to admit to a little disapointment. Oh well,
at
> least I've been proven right yet again.
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

[kurttrail]

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> kurttrail;
> All that has been proven is that you are unwilling or unable to use
> the proper forums as already explained to you.

"I cc'ed it to both & ." - Kurt to
Mike Brannigan in this thread 3/11/04

> Or perhaps you prefer here to make your whines more visible?

I just felt the group was entitled to see my complaint too.

> As you already know, these newsgroups are not officially monitored by
> Microsoft.

"Microsoft may monitor content to ensure the accuracy of the information
youll find, but any information provided by Microsoft staff is offered "AS
IS" with no warranties, and no rights are conferred. You assume all risk for
your use." - http://snipurl.com/5cuq

Whether it is "official" or not, I can testify under oath that "monitoring"
in the form of CENSORSHIP, does go on here all the time.

http://snipurl.com/5cur

The whole thread at the link above was pulled off MS's server. How does
that happen without MS "officially" monitoring this group? Perhaps you
believe that if you ignore the censorship, that it really didn't happen?


> "kurttrail" > wrote in
> message news:%> I now recant my thanks, as I have yet to even receive
> an automated reply.
>> Obviously there is no one at MS that has the comman decency to
>> reply. While not unexpected, I have to admit to a little
>> disapointment. Oh well, at least I've been proven right yet again.
>>
>> --
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>> Self-anointed Moderator
>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

The child is still up to his MicroTroll games I see. PSML!

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[Please reply to newsgroup.]

kurttrail wrote:

> Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User, and create a new
> MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows - FUD/Propaganda/Outright Lies!"
>
> And all you rational MVPs out there that value that the truth to be told in
> these groups should be horrified that an Outright Liar is one of your
> number. By not publicly rebuking him, you only condone his lies here in
> this group, and only encourage and embolden Bruce and his ilk to further
> such reprehensible acts. Bruce's lying reflects on you all, as long as he
> is one you.
>
> I know that there are many of you MVPs of good conscience out there, it's
> time for you to speak up, and reclaim some of the honor that Bruce and his
> kind have lost ya'll.

I am "OPENLY ADVOCATING" that you SUCK and that your site promotes
violiting the Windows EULA.

[Box134]

Oh, **** off!

> kurttrail wrote:
>
> > Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User, and create a
new
> > MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows - FUD/Propaganda/Outright
Lies!"

[Please reply to newsgroup.]

kurttrail wrote:

> Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User, and create a new
> MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows - FUD/Propaganda/Outright Lies!"
>
> And all you rational MVPs out there that value that the truth to be told in
> these groups should be horrified that an Outright Liar is one of your
> number. By not publicly rebuking him, you only condone his lies here in
> this group, and only encourage and embolden Bruce and his ilk to further
> such reprehensible acts. Bruce's lying reflects on you all, as long as he
> is one you.
>
> I know that there are many of you MVPs of good conscience out there, it's
> time for you to speak up, and reclaim some of the honor that Bruce and his
> kind have lost ya'll.

I am "OPENLY ADVOCATING" that you SUCK and that your site promotes
violiting the Windows EULA.

[Box134]

Oh, **** off!

> kurttrail wrote:
>
> > Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User, and create a
new
> > MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows - FUD/Propaganda/Outright
Lies!"

[kurttrail]

Please reply to newsgroup." <"Please reply to newsgroup. wrote:

> kurttrail wrote:
>
>> Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User, and
>> create a new MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows -
>> FUD/Propaganda/Outright Lies!"
>>
>> And all you rational MVPs out there that value that the truth to be
>> told in these groups should be horrified that an Outright Liar is
>> one of your number. By not publicly rebuking him, you only condone
>> his lies here in this group, and only encourage and embolden Bruce
>> and his ilk to further such reprehensible acts. Bruce's lying
>> reflects on you all, as long as he is one you.
>>
>> I know that there are many of you MVPs of good conscience out there,
>> it's time for you to speak up, and reclaim some of the honor that
>> Bruce and his kind have lost ya'll.
>
> I am "OPENLY ADVOCATING" that you SUCK and that your site promotes
> violiting the Windows EULA.

LOL! Thanks for the laugh!

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[kurttrail]

Please reply to newsgroup." <"Please reply to newsgroup. wrote:

> kurttrail wrote:
>
>> Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User, and
>> create a new MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows -
>> FUD/Propaganda/Outright Lies!"
>>
>> And all you rational MVPs out there that value that the truth to be
>> told in these groups should be horrified that an Outright Liar is
>> one of your number. By not publicly rebuking him, you only condone
>> his lies here in this group, and only encourage and embolden Bruce
>> and his ilk to further such reprehensible acts. Bruce's lying
>> reflects on you all, as long as he is one you.
>>
>> I know that there are many of you MVPs of good conscience out there,
>> it's time for you to speak up, and reclaim some of the honor that
>> Bruce and his kind have lost ya'll.
>
> I am "OPENLY ADVOCATING" that you SUCK and that your site promotes
> violiting the Windows EULA.

LOL! Thanks for the laugh!

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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
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[Please reply to newsgroup.]

kurttrail wrote:

> Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User, and create a new
> MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows - FUD/Propaganda/Outright Lies!"
>
> And all you rational MVPs out there that value that the truth to be told in
> these groups should be horrified that an Outright Liar is one of your
> number. By not publicly rebuking him, you only condone his lies here in
> this group, and only encourage and embolden Bruce and his ilk to further
> such reprehensible acts. Bruce's lying reflects on you all, as long as he
> is one you.
>
> I know that there are many of you MVPs of good conscience out there, it's
> time for you to speak up, and reclaim some of the honor that Bruce and his
> kind have lost ya'll.

I am "OPENLY ADVOCATING" that you SUCK and that your site promotes
violiting the Windows EULA.

[Box134]

Oh, **** off!

> kurttrail wrote:
>
> > Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User, and create a
new
> > MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows - FUD/Propaganda/Outright
Lies!"

[kurttrail]

Please reply to newsgroup." <"Please reply to newsgroup. wrote:

> kurttrail wrote:
>
>> Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User, and
>> create a new MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows -
>> FUD/Propaganda/Outright Lies!"
>>
>> And all you rational MVPs out there that value that the truth to be
>> told in these groups should be horrified that an Outright Liar is
>> one of your number. By not publicly rebuking him, you only condone
>> his lies here in this group, and only encourage and embolden Bruce
>> and his ilk to further such reprehensible acts. Bruce's lying
>> reflects on you all, as long as he is one you.
>>
>> I know that there are many of you MVPs of good conscience out there,
>> it's time for you to speak up, and reclaim some of the honor that
>> Bruce and his kind have lost ya'll.
>
> I am "OPENLY ADVOCATING" that you SUCK and that your site promotes
> violiting the Windows EULA.

LOL! Thanks for the laugh!

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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
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[Please reply to newsgroup.]

kurttrail wrote:

> Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User, and create a new
> MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows - FUD/Propaganda/Outright Lies!"
>
> And all you rational MVPs out there that value that the truth to be told in
> these groups should be horrified that an Outright Liar is one of your
> number. By not publicly rebuking him, you only condone his lies here in
> this group, and only encourage and embolden Bruce and his ilk to further
> such reprehensible acts. Bruce's lying reflects on you all, as long as he
> is one you.
>
> I know that there are many of you MVPs of good conscience out there, it's
> time for you to speak up, and reclaim some of the honor that Bruce and his
> kind have lost ya'll.

I am "OPENLY ADVOCATING" that you SUCK and that your site promotes
violiting the Windows EULA.

[Box134]

Oh, **** off!

> kurttrail wrote:
>
> > Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User, and create a
new
> > MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows - FUD/Propaganda/Outright
Lies!"

[Please reply to newsgroup.]

kurttrail wrote:

> Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User, and create a new
> MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows - FUD/Propaganda/Outright Lies!"
>
> And all you rational MVPs out there that value that the truth to be told in
> these groups should be horrified that an Outright Liar is one of your
> number. By not publicly rebuking him, you only condone his lies here in
> this group, and only encourage and embolden Bruce and his ilk to further
> such reprehensible acts. Bruce's lying reflects on you all, as long as he
> is one you.
>
> I know that there are many of you MVPs of good conscience out there, it's
> time for you to speak up, and reclaim some of the honor that Bruce and his
> kind have lost ya'll.

I am "OPENLY ADVOCATING" that you SUCK and that your site promotes
violiting the Windows EULA.

[Box134]

Oh, **** off!

> kurttrail wrote:
>
> > Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User, and create a
new
> > MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows - FUD/Propaganda/Outright
Lies!"

[kurttrail]

Please reply to newsgroup." <"Please reply to newsgroup. wrote:

> kurttrail wrote:
>
>> Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User, and
>> create a new MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows -
>> FUD/Propaganda/Outright Lies!"
>>
>> And all you rational MVPs out there that value that the truth to be
>> told in these groups should be horrified that an Outright Liar is
>> one of your number. By not publicly rebuking him, you only condone
>> his lies here in this group, and only encourage and embolden Bruce
>> and his ilk to further such reprehensible acts. Bruce's lying
>> reflects on you all, as long as he is one you.
>>
>> I know that there are many of you MVPs of good conscience out there,
>> it's time for you to speak up, and reclaim some of the honor that
>> Bruce and his kind have lost ya'll.
>
> I am "OPENLY ADVOCATING" that you SUCK and that your site promotes
> violiting the Windows EULA.

LOL! Thanks for the laugh!

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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
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[kurttrail]

Please reply to newsgroup." <"Please reply to newsgroup. wrote:

> kurttrail wrote:
>
>> Or at the very least remove him from Windows - Shell/User, and
>> create a new MVP category for Bruce and his ilk "Windows -
>> FUD/Propaganda/Outright Lies!"
>>
>> And all you rational MVPs out there that value that the truth to be
>> told in these groups should be horrified that an Outright Liar is
>> one of your number. By not publicly rebuking him, you only condone
>> his lies here in this group, and only encourage and embolden Bruce
>> and his ilk to further such reprehensible acts. Bruce's lying
>> reflects on you all, as long as he is one you.
>>
>> I know that there are many of you MVPs of good conscience out there,
>> it's time for you to speak up, and reclaim some of the honor that
>> Bruce and his kind have lost ya'll.
>
> I am "OPENLY ADVOCATING" that you SUCK and that your site promotes
> violiting the Windows EULA.

LOL! Thanks for the laugh!

--
Peace!
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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"