I might bite bullet on SP2..but!

[Tom]

Can I back it out easily? or when SP2 becomes official, can I upgrade from
SP2-RC1 to the 'real' SP2? Or do I have to nuke my box reinstall the OS and
then install it.

Cheers
Tom

[Plato]

Tom wrote:
>
> Can I back it out easily? or when SP2 becomes official, can I upgrade from
> SP2-RC1 to the 'real' SP2? Or do I have to nuke my box reinstall the OS and
> then install it.

There is currently no "real" SP2.

--
http://www.bootdisk.com/

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

One should not install the SP2 RC1 beta on a computer that
is vital. Only install it if you understand the ramifications of
using beta software since you may end up reinstalling your
Windows XP operating system. And no, one cannot "upgrade"
from SP2 RC1 beta to the released version later on. You'll
have to uninstall it first.

There is a new newsgroup dedicated to SP2 beta you should post to.
Please visit the following website for information:

Welcome to Windows XP SP2 Technical Preview Newsgroups
http://communities.microsoft.com/newsgroups/default.asp?icp=xpsp2&slcid=us


--
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Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Tom" > wrote in message:
...

| Can I back it out easily? or when SP2 becomes official, can I upgrade from
| SP2-RC1 to the 'real' SP2? Or do I have to nuke my box reinstall the OS and
| then install it.
|
| Cheers
| Tom

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Tom;
First of all SP2 is a Release Candidate not the release version due in
a few months.
Because of that, do not install on a production machine or any machine
with data you value.
RC1 is intended for evaluation and testing.
RC1 is unsupported and strictly at your own risk.

Once installed, SP2 can be uninstalled from Add/Remove Programs.
It is best to uninstall RC1 SP2 before installing the release version.

--
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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Tom" > wrote in message
...
> Can I back it out easily? or when SP2 becomes official, can I
upgrade from
> SP2-RC1 to the 'real' SP2? Or do I have to nuke my box reinstall the
OS and
> then install it.
>
> Cheers
> Tom

[S.Heenan]

Tom wrote:
> Can I back it out easily? or when SP2 becomes official, can I upgrade
> from SP2-RC1 to the 'real' SP2? Or do I have to nuke my box reinstall
> the OS and then install it.

Don't bother unless you feel a real need to reinstall your OS. SP2 RC1 has
several bugs, none of which affected stability, all of which were annoying.
ie. fonts, loss of C & P, etc. It did not offer an uninstall option. YMMV

[Testy]

Don/t bother. It gave me constant crashes. Besides I figured I don't use
XP's firewall, don't use Outlook Express, don't use Internet Explorer, and
don't use automatic updates,,,,so there is not much it in for me personally.

Testy

"Tom" > wrote in message
...
> Can I back it out easily? or when SP2 becomes official, can I upgrade from
> SP2-RC1 to the 'real' SP2? Or do I have to nuke my box reinstall the OS
and
> then install it.
>
> Cheers
> Tom
>
>


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[Chris Lanier [MVP]]

LOL...

From: "Testy" >
References: >
Subject: Re: I might bite bullet on SP2..but!
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:42:21 -0500
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---
"Testy" > wrote in message
...
> Don/t bother. It gave me constant crashes. Besides I figured I don't use
> XP's firewall, don't use Outlook Express, don't use Internet Explorer, and
> don't use automatic updates,,,,so there is not much it in for me
personally.
>
> Testy
>
> "Tom" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Can I back it out easily? or when SP2 becomes official, can I upgrade
from
> > SP2-RC1 to the 'real' SP2? Or do I have to nuke my box reinstall the OS
> and
> > then install it.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Tom
> >
> >
>
>
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/22/2004
>
>

[Tumbleweed]

"S.Heenan" > wrote in message
news:1NI7c.879511$ts4.581143@pd7tw3no...
> Tom wrote:
> > Can I back it out easily? or when SP2 becomes official, can I upgrade
> > from SP2-RC1 to the 'real' SP2? Or do I have to nuke my box reinstall
> > the OS and then install it.
>
> Don't bother unless you feel a real need to reinstall your OS. SP2 RC1 has
> several bugs, none of which affected stability, all of which were
annoying.
> ie. fonts, loss of C & P, etc. It did not offer an uninstall option. YMMV
>


Hmm, that sounds very similar to windows xp itself.

--
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Remove my socks for email address

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

You'll have to uninstall the SP2RC1 before you can install the
final version. Should you decide to install it , you'll notice that
you're not given a choice of archiving the old systems files (to
facilitate the removal of the service pack) or not; it just happens.
Unless something goes wrong, however, you shouldn't have to nuke your
system.

Bruce Chambers

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"Tom" > wrote in message
...
> Can I back it out easily? or when SP2 becomes official, can I
> upgrade from
> SP2-RC1 to the 'real' SP2? Or do I have to nuke my box reinstall the
> OS and
> then install it.
>
> Cheers
> Tom
>
>

[[email protected]]

Just curious.. I'm very happy with zone alarm and popup killer and I
understand that sp2 has something similar to these apps. Is it easy to
select what functions I want to add to my system when I install sp2? Anybody
here know?
Thanks


Bruce Chambers wrote:
> Greetings --
>
> You'll have to uninstall the SP2RC1 before you can install the
> final version. Should you decide to install it , you'll notice that
> you're not given a choice of archiving the old systems files (to
> facilitate the removal of the service pack) or not; it just happens.
> Unless something goes wrong, however, you shouldn't have to nuke your
> system.
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> --
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
>
> You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
> having both at once. -- RAH
>
>
> "Tom" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Can I back it out easily? or when SP2 becomes official, can I
>> upgrade from
>> SP2-RC1 to the 'real' SP2? Or do I have to nuke my box reinstall the
>> OS and
>> then install it.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Tom

[S.Heenan]

wrote:
> Just curious.. I'm very happy with zone alarm and popup killer and I
> understand that sp2 has something similar to these apps. Is it easy to
> select what functions I want to add to my system when I install sp2?
> Anybody here know?


If you're "very happy" with your current setup, do not install SP2 RC1. It's
still very much a beta. The firewall does add outgoing protection this time
around.

[Torgeir Bakken \(MVP\)]

wrote:

> Just curious.. I'm very happy with zone alarm and popup killer and I
> understand that sp2 has something similar to these apps. Is it easy to
> select what functions I want to add to my system when I install sp2?
Hi

There is no options to not install the functions, but you can enable
and disable them as you want after the installation is finished.


--
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[CZ]

>> If you're "very happy" with your current setup, do not install SP2 RC1.
It's
still very much a beta. The firewall does add outgoing protection this time
around.

S:

What have you experienced re: outgoing protection in SP2 beta?
In have not seen any outgoing protection in either build 2055 or 2096 (RC1).

TIA

[CZ]

>> Just curious.. I'm very happy with zone alarm and popup killer and I
understand that sp2 has something similar to these apps. Is it easy to
select what functions I want to add to my system when I install sp2? Anybody
here know?

Sharkman:

The installation basically installs all items.
I have seen it be somewhat selective re: the Windows Firewall settings that
it enables.
It is easy to disable most items.

I have run ZA free and BID in SP2 RC1 w/o problems.

[wojo]

I've had no problems what-so-ever with SP2 the firewall is much more
controllable and the pop-up stopper actually works (even on sites that my
provious FREE pop-up stopper failed to work on)
What I'm curious about though is does anybody know a good site to TEST the
firewall?

"CZ" > wrote in message
...
>>> Just curious.. I'm very happy with zone alarm and popup killer and I
> understand that sp2 has something similar to these apps. Is it easy to
> select what functions I want to add to my system when I install sp2?
> Anybody
> here know?
>
> Sharkman:
>
> The installation basically installs all items.
> I have seen it be somewhat selective re: the Windows Firewall settings
> that
> it enables.
> It is easy to disable most items.
>
> I have run ZA free and BID in SP2 RC1 w/o problems.
>
>

[CZ]

>> I've had no problems what-so-ever with SP2 the firewall is much more
controllable and the pop-up stopper actually works (even on sites that my
previous FREE pop-up stopper failed to work on)
What I'm curious about though is does anybody know a good site to TEST the
firewall?

wojo:

http://grc.com/default.htm

Scroll down to the ShieldsUp hotlink

[Alex Nichol]

Tom wrote:

>Can I back it out easily? or when SP2 becomes official, can I upgrade from
>SP2-RC1 to the 'real' SP2? Or do I have to nuke my box reinstall the OS and
>then install it.


You have to use the uninstall back to as it was; nuke and reinstall; or
(what I do) have an image backup of the prior state of things to
restore.


--
Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)

[Tom]

thanks everyone for your input. Sorry I couldn't reply. I forgot about this
post until now. Reason I was interested was merely for the firewall and
testing the popup protection, but I think I can wait.

My XP is running nicely now and I don't think I'm going to break that right
now. My data and stuff is always backed up to DVD.. I could suffer a dual HD
crash and not be too upset(oh wait, that happened last week) but thanks
again.. to the MVP's telling me to post on the SP2 newsgroup, I knew that,
thanks. I didn't think subscribing to a newsgroup to ask 1 question about
SP2 was required, thus my reason for posting here.


Thanks again, everyone.
Tom
"Tom" > wrote in message
...
> Can I back it out easily? or when SP2 becomes official, can I upgrade from
> SP2-RC1 to the 'real' SP2? Or do I have to nuke my box reinstall the OS
and
> then install it.
>
> Cheers
> Tom
>
>

[[email protected]]

I wasnt going to install the beta.. I was curious about the proposed
release..

S.Heenan wrote:
> wrote:
>> Just curious.. I'm very happy with zone alarm and popup killer and I
>> understand that sp2 has something similar to these apps. Is it easy
>> to select what functions I want to add to my system when I install
>> sp2? Anybody here know?
>
>
> If you're "very happy" with your current setup, do not install SP2
> RC1. It's still very much a beta. The firewall does add outgoing
> protection this time around.

[[email protected]]

thanks... appreciate the info...

CZ wrote:
>>> Just curious.. I'm very happy with zone alarm and popup killer and I
> understand that sp2 has something similar to these apps. Is it easy to
> select what functions I want to add to my system when I install sp2?
> Anybody here know?
>
> Sharkman:
>
> The installation basically installs all items.
> I have seen it be somewhat selective re: the Windows Firewall
> settings that it enables.
> It is easy to disable most items.
>
> I have run ZA free and BID in SP2 RC1 w/o problems.

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

Sorry, but that's not correct. SP2 does not add any capability to
monitor or control outbound traffic to WinXP's built-in firewall. It
does slightly increase the configurability of the firewall, but it's
still no match for any 3rd party firewall applications.

Bruce Chambers

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"S.Heenan" > wrote in message
news:swW7c.890936$X%5.267715@pd7tw2no...
>
>
> If you're "very happy" with your current setup, do not install SP2
> RC1. It's
> still very much a beta. The firewall does add outgoing protection
> this time
> around.
>
>

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

You can test your firewall at:

Symantec Security Check
http://security.symantec.com/ssc/vr_main.asp?langid=ie&venid=sym&plfid=23&pkj=GPVHGBYNCJEIMXQKCDT

Security Scan - Sygate Online Services
http://www.sygatetech.com/

There is another firewall scanner/tester at
https://grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2, but it's not as thorough as the
first two; it doesn't even scan one of the ports used by the messenger
service spam.

Bruce Chambers

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You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH


"wojo" > wrote in message
...
> I've had no problems what-so-ever with SP2 the firewall is much more
> controllable and the pop-up stopper actually works (even on sites
> that my provious FREE pop-up stopper failed to work on)
> What I'm curious about though is does anybody know a good site to
> TEST the firewall?
>
> "CZ" > wrote in message
> ...
>>>> Just curious.. I'm very happy with zone alarm and popup killer
>>>> and I
>> understand that sp2 has something similar to these apps. Is it easy
>> to
>> select what functions I want to add to my system when I install
>> sp2? Anybody
>> here know?
>>
>> Sharkman:
>>
>> The installation basically installs all items.
>> I have seen it be somewhat selective re: the Windows Firewall
>> settings that
>> it enables.
>> It is easy to disable most items.
>>
>> I have run ZA free and BID in SP2 RC1 w/o problems.
>>
>>
>
>

[wojo]

It does a lot more than slightly increase the configurability of the
firewall it greatly increases it. But your right it's still no match for 3rd
party apps. i am using it plus my router firewall just for kicks. I am not
crazy about my router FW because it's configuraton settings are done online.

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"Bruce Chambers" > wrote in message
...
> Greetings --
>
> Sorry, but that's not correct. SP2 does not add any capability to
> monitor or control outbound traffic to WinXP's built-in firewall. It does
> slightly increase the configurability of the firewall, but it's still no
> match for any 3rd party firewall applications.
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> --
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
>
> You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
> both at once. -- RAH
>
>
> "S.Heenan" > wrote in message
> news:swW7c.890936$X%5.267715@pd7tw2no...
>>
>>
>> If you're "very happy" with your current setup, do not install SP2 RC1.
>> It's
>> still very much a beta. The firewall does add outgoing protection this
>> time
>> around.
>>
>>
>
>

[S.Heenan]

CZ wrote:
>>> If you're "very happy" with your current setup, do not install SP2
>>> RC1.
> It's
> still very much a beta. The firewall does add outgoing protection
> this time around.
>
> S:
>
> What have you experienced re: outgoing protection in SP2 beta?
> In have not seen any outgoing protection in either build 2055 or 2096
> (RC1).


Launching Windows Messenger created a popup window asking for permission to
access the network. Other MS apps may have prompted. I can't quite recall as
I reinstalled the OS short order.

[wojo]

I had to give permissions two or three times to the XP SP2 Firewall so yes
outgoing is supported.

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"S.Heenan" > wrote in message
news:jA88c.140557$Up2.132925@pd7tw1no...
> CZ wrote:
>>>> If you're "very happy" with your current setup, do not install SP2
>>>> RC1.
>> It's
>> still very much a beta. The firewall does add outgoing protection
>> this time around.
>>
>> S:
>>
>> What have you experienced re: outgoing protection in SP2 beta?
>> In have not seen any outgoing protection in either build 2055 or 2096
>> (RC1).
>
>
> Launching Windows Messenger created a popup window asking for permission
> to
> access the network. Other MS apps may have prompted. I can't quite recall
> as
> I reinstalled the OS short order.
>
>

[S.Heenan]

wojo wrote:
> I had to give permissions two or three times to the XP SP2 Firewall
> so yes outgoing is supported.


I'm glad it wasn't just me who saw that.


Here's a little more about the improved ICF:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/columns/cableguy/cg0204.mspx

[wojo]

Well since it seems most people, for some reason or another, weren't able to
successfully install SP2 RC1 on their boxes I suppose not too many people
have seen the outgoing support of the firewall.

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"S.Heenan" > wrote in message
news:%V88c.895442$ts4.821862@pd7tw3no...
> wojo wrote:
>> I had to give permissions two or three times to the XP SP2 Firewall
>> so yes outgoing is supported.
>
>
> I'm glad it wasn't just me who saw that.
>
>
> Here's a little more about the improved ICF:
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/columns/cableguy/cg0204.mspx
>
>

[CZ]

>> I had to give permissions two or three times to the XP SP2 Firewall so
yes
outgoing is supported.

AdAware:
www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/

wojo:

Specifically, do you have to grant permission for AdAware v6 to access the
Internet for updates?
Are there any programs for which you do not have to grant permission?

On my SP2 RC1, the answer is no.

I have seen popups to install ActiveX controls via a web site, but never to
control outbound connections for the following:
MSIE
Outlook Express
AdAware v6
NIS 2003
AVG v6
MS Word
MBSA

TIA

[CZ]

wojo:

Previous post should read:
wojo:

Specifically, do you have to grant permission for AdAware v6 to access the
Internet for updates?
On my SP2 RC1, the answer is no.

Are there any programs for which you do not have to grant permission?
I have seen popups to install ActiveX controls via a web site, but never to
control outbound connections for the following:
MSIE
Outlook Express
AdAware v6
NIS 2003
AVG v6
MS Word
MBSA

TIA

[wojo]

Are you having software problems? Neither of the posts listed in your posts
as coming from me are mine. :)

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"CZ" > wrote in message
...
> wojo:
>
> Previous post should read:
> wojo:
>
> Specifically, do you have to grant permission for AdAware v6 to access the
> Internet for updates?
> On my SP2 RC1, the answer is no.
>
> Are there any programs for which you do not have to grant permission?
> I have seen popups to install ActiveX controls via a web site, but never
> to
> control outbound connections for the following:
> MSIE
> Outlook Express
> AdAware v6
> NIS 2003
> AVG v6
> MS Word
> MBSA
>
> TIA
>
>

[CZ]

>> Are you having software problems? Neither of the posts listed in your
posts
as coming from me are mine. :)

wojo:

Follow is not from you?

From: "wojo" >
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
References: >
> >
<swW7c.890936$X%5.267715@pd7tw2no> >
<jA88c.140557$Up2.132925@pd7tw1no>
Subject: Re: I might bite bullet on SP2..but!

I had to give permissions two or three times to the XP SP2 Firewall so yes
outgoing is supported.

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Useful Links

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Spybot S & D:
www.safer-networking.org/

Check for Parasites/Worms:
www.gemal.dk/browserspy/parasites.html

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[wojo]

Yeah that ones mine :)

I justrealized I thought I was reading posts you were saying were FROM me
but actually they were meant to be FOR me.
Too much caffeine
lol

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http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.asp
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"CZ" > wrote in message
...
>>> Are you having software problems? Neither of the posts listed in your
> posts
> as coming from me are mine. :)
>
> wojo:
>
> Follow is not from you?
>
> From: "wojo" >
> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
> References: >
> > >
> <swW7c.890936$X%5.267715@pd7tw2no> >
> <jA88c.140557$Up2.132925@pd7tw1no>
> Subject: Re: I might bite bullet on SP2..but!
>
> I had to give permissions two or three times to the XP SP2 Firewall so yes
> outgoing is supported.
>
> --
> TO Email: Remove "SPAM" without the quotes
> If I can help you I will.
> If you can help me thanks.
>
> Useful Links
>
> AdAware:
> www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/
>
> Spybot S & D:
> www.safer-networking.org/
>
> Check for Parasites/Worms:
> www.gemal.dk/browserspy/parasites.html
>
> Blaster Security Patch:
> http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.asp
>
> TweakUI and other PowerToys:
> www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys.asp
>
>

[wojo]

It asked me for permission for Mcafee AV, for MSN Messenger, and for my SMC
Router firewall.
OE was apparently automatically configured, it didn't ask permission for it.

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"CZ" > wrote in message
...
> wojo:
>
> Previous post should read:
> wojo:
>
> Specifically, do you have to grant permission for AdAware v6 to access the
> Internet for updates?
> On my SP2 RC1, the answer is no.
>
> Are there any programs for which you do not have to grant permission?
> I have seen popups to install ActiveX controls via a web site, but never
> to
> control outbound connections for the following:
> MSIE
> Outlook Express
> AdAware v6
> NIS 2003
> AVG v6
> MS Word
> MBSA
>
> TIA
>
>

[wojo]

I don't understand why that says it automatically allows all outgoing when
that clearly wasn't the case on my computer. It also doesn't have any
outgoing options when you open the firewall settings.
This doesn't make much sense since the firewall program opened and asked if
I wanted to grant outgoing permission on 3 different occasions. I need to do
further research on the subject I think so I can find out what the deal is.

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"CZ" > wrote in message
...
> Re: does Win XP SP2 do outbound firewall control
>
> wojo:
>
> Following notes are from a Word file I dnloaded (no URL):
> Expanded file name: WinXPSP2_Documentation.doc
>
> Changes to Functionality in Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2
>
> February 20, 2004
> Starr Andersen, Technical Writer, Microsoft Corporation
> Vincent Abella, Technical Editor, Microsoft Corporation
> This preliminary document applies to the beta release of for Microsoft®
> Windows® XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) for the 32-bit versions of Windows XP
> Professional and Windows XP Home Edition. It does not describe all of the
> changes that will be included in the final release of the service pack.
>
> Windows Firewall will automatically allow all outbound connections,
> regardless of the program and the user context
>
> For typical consumer and office computers, the computer is a client on the
> network. Software on the computer connects out to a server (an outbound
> connection) and gets responses back from the server. Windows Firewall
> allows
> all outbound connections, but applies rules to the types of communication
> that are allowed back into the computer. For more information about what
> network traffic Windows Firewall allows as part of Transmission Control
> Protocol (TCP) and User Data Protocol (UDP) outbound connections, see
> Notes,
> below
>
>

[CZ]

>> It asked me for permission for Mcafee AV, for MSN Messenger, and for my
>> SMC
Router firewall.
OE was apparently automatically configured, it didn't ask permission for it.

wojo:

Thanks for the info.

URL for the article that I quoted from earlier:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/winxpsp2.mspx

From the article:
Changes to Functionality in Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2

February 20, 2004
Starr Andersen, Technical Writer, Microsoft Corporation
Vincent Abella, Technical Editor, Microsoft Corporation
This preliminary document applies to the beta release of for Microsoft®
Windows® XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) for the 32-bit versions of Windows XP
Professional and Windows XP Home Edition. It does not describe all of the
changes that will be included in the final release of the service pack.

Windows Firewall will automatically allow all outbound connections,
regardless of the program and the user context

For typical consumer and office computers, the computer is a client on the
network. Software on the computer connects out to a server (an outbound
connection) and gets responses back from the server. Windows Firewall allows
all outbound connections, but applies rules to the types of communication
that are allowed back into the computer. For more information about what
network traffic Windows Firewall allows as part of Transmission Control
Protocol (TCP) and User Data Protocol (UDP) outbound connections, see Notes,
below

[wojo]

I aid I was gong to look into it further and I did.
It appears that myself and, presumably, S. Heenan didn't actually read the
firewall pop-up closely enough. I discovered this when I tried to run MS
Frontpage. The message poped up again and I read it a little closer. It is
asking permission for the program to accept INCOMING transmissions so it had
nothing at all to do with outgoing protection.
That's a bummer but at least I got to the bottom of it.
:-)
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"CZ" > wrote in message
...
>>> It asked me for permission for Mcafee AV, for MSN Messenger, and for my
>>> SMC
> Router firewall.
> OE was apparently automatically configured, it didn't ask permission for
> it.
>
> wojo:
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> URL for the article that I quoted from earlier:
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/winxpsp2.mspx
>
> From the article:
> Changes to Functionality in Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2
>
> February 20, 2004
> Starr Andersen, Technical Writer, Microsoft Corporation
> Vincent Abella, Technical Editor, Microsoft Corporation
> This preliminary document applies to the beta release of for Microsoft®
> Windows® XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) for the 32-bit versions of Windows XP
> Professional and Windows XP Home Edition. It does not describe all of the
> changes that will be included in the final release of the service pack.
>
> Windows Firewall will automatically allow all outbound connections,
> regardless of the program and the user context
>
> For typical consumer and office computers, the computer is a client on the
> network. Software on the computer connects out to a server (an outbound
> connection) and gets responses back from the server. Windows Firewall
> allows
> all outbound connections, but applies rules to the types of communication
> that are allowed back into the computer. For more information about what
> network traffic Windows Firewall allows as part of Transmission Control
> Protocol (TCP) and User Data Protocol (UDP) outbound connections, see
> Notes,
> below
>
>

[S.Heenan]

wojo wrote:
> I aid I was gong to look into it further and I did.
> It appears that myself and, presumably, S. Heenan didn't actually
> read the firewall pop-up closely enough. I discovered this when I
> tried to run MS Frontpage. The message poped up again and I read it a
> little closer. It is asking permission for the program to accept
> INCOMING transmissions so it had nothing at all to do with outgoing
> protection.
> That's a bummer but at least I got to the bottom of it.
> :-)

Loks lik eye can't reed

Maybe I'll give SP2 RC1 another crack later this week.

[wojo]

Very funny
My keyboards been giving me fits all $%@# day.

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"S.Heenan" > wrote in message
news:vcq8c.900223$ts4.505927@pd7tw3no...
> wojo wrote:
>> I aid I was gong to look into it further and I did.
>> It appears that myself and, presumably, S. Heenan didn't actually
>> read the firewall pop-up closely enough. I discovered this when I
>> tried to run MS Frontpage. The message poped up again and I read it a
>> little closer. It is asking permission for the program to accept
>> INCOMING transmissions so it had nothing at all to do with outgoing
>> protection.
>> That's a bummer but at least I got to the bottom of it.
>> :-)
>
> Loks lik eye can't reed
>
> Maybe I'll give SP2 RC1 another crack later this week.
>
>