Bill Gate's take on linux

[Sender's name]

When asked in a recent interview:

"How do you feel about competing open source platforms
such as Unix and Linux?"

Bill Gates lies through his teeth by saying:

"The software ecosystem can accommodate many different
development models, and healthy competition is what
produces new innovations and drives technology forward. We
focus our efforts on developing products based on the
commercial model, which we believe produces the best
possible software for our customers."

PMSL!!! "healthy competition" is why Microsoft paid SCO
in excess of $50 million recently under the table,
right?!? The "software ecosystem" may be able
to "accomodate many different developement models", but M$
sure can't with it's bug ridden, insecure, bloated
software!

ROFL!!!

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

What OS are you using?
Interesting to see your OS incapable of using a newsreader.
Or is the OS to complex for you to set up the newsreader?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Sender's name" > wrote in message
...
> When asked in a recent interview:
>
> "How do you feel about competing open source platforms
> such as Unix and Linux?"
>
> Bill Gates lies through his teeth by saying:
>
> "The software ecosystem can accommodate many different
> development models, and healthy competition is what
> produces new innovations and drives technology forward. We
> focus our efforts on developing products based on the
> commercial model, which we believe produces the best
> possible software for our customers."
>
> PMSL!!! "healthy competition" is why Microsoft paid SCO
> in excess of $50 million recently under the table,
> right?!? The "software ecosystem" may be able
> to "accomodate many different developement models", but M$
> sure can't with it's bug ridden, insecure, bloated
> software!
>
> ROFL!!!

[Tom]

I was gonna reply to this person, but as I was 90% done with my reply, I
just deleted it. Just not worth it. Some people are just dunce.

not sure if this is his news reader, but this was in the header... hehe

X-Newsreader: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300


Tom

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> What OS are you using?
> Interesting to see your OS incapable of using a newsreader.
> Or is the OS to complex for you to set up the newsreader?
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>
>
> "Sender's name" > wrote in message
> ...
> > When asked in a recent interview:
> >
> > "How do you feel about competing open source platforms
> > such as Unix and Linux?"
> >
> > Bill Gates lies through his teeth by saying:
> >
> > "The software ecosystem can accommodate many different
> > development models, and healthy competition is what
> > produces new innovations and drives technology forward. We
> > focus our efforts on developing products based on the
> > commercial model, which we believe produces the best
> > possible software for our customers."
> >
> > PMSL!!! "healthy competition" is why Microsoft paid SCO
> > in excess of $50 million recently under the table,
> > right?!? The "software ecosystem" may be able
> > to "accomodate many different developement models", but M$
> > sure can't with it's bug ridden, insecure, bloated
> > software!
> >
> > ROFL!!!
>
>

[Sender's name]

>-----Original Message-----
>What OS are you using?
>Interesting to see your OS incapable of using a
newsreader.
>Or is the OS to complex for you to set up the newsreader?
>
>--
>Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/

Yes, all of the above is true, and unfortunately today I
am using Windows!

>
>
>"Sender's name" >
wrote in message
...
>> When asked in a recent interview:
>>
>> "How do you feel about competing open source platforms
>> such as Unix and Linux?"
>>
>> Bill Gates lies through his teeth by saying:
>>
>> "The software ecosystem can accommodate many different
>> development models, and healthy competition is what
>> produces new innovations and drives technology forward.
We
>> focus our efforts on developing products based on the
>> commercial model, which we believe produces the best
>> possible software for our customers."
>>
>> PMSL!!! "healthy competition" is why Microsoft paid SCO
>> in excess of $50 million recently under the table,
>> right?!? The "software ecosystem" may be able
>> to "accomodate many different developement models", but
M$
>> sure can't with it's bug ridden, insecure, bloated
>> software!
>>
>> ROFL!!!
>
>
>.
>

ROFLMAO!!! You walked right into this one Juppy, you
microsheep you!


>-----Original Message-----
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>What OS are you using?
>>Interesting to see your OS incapable of using a
>newsreader.
>>Or is the OS to complex for you to set up the newsreader?
>>
>>--
>>Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>
>Yes, all of the above is true, and unfortunately today I
>am using Windows!
>
>>
>>
>>"Sender's name" >
>wrote in message
...
>>> When asked in a recent interview:
>>>
>>> "How do you feel about competing open source platforms
>>> such as Unix and Linux?"
>>>
>>> Bill Gates lies through his teeth by saying:
>>>
>>> "The software ecosystem can accommodate many different
>>> development models, and healthy competition is what
>>> produces new innovations and drives technology
forward.
>We
>>> focus our efforts on developing products based on the
>>> commercial model, which we believe produces the best
>>> possible software for our customers."
>>>
>>> PMSL!!! "healthy competition" is why Microsoft paid
SCO
>>> in excess of $50 million recently under the table,
>>> right?!? The "software ecosystem" may be able
>>> to "accomodate many different developement models",
but
>M$
>>> sure can't with it's bug ridden, insecure, bloated
>>> software!
>>>
>>> ROFL!!!
>>
>>
>>.
>>
>.
>

[Phil \(a.k.a. purplehaz\)]

The CDO reader is the webpage interface reader, which only newbies use. I
think jupiters point was if the op is so good with os's and knows linux and
windows then they should know how to use a proper newsreader like outlook
express, thunderbird, or agent. Anyone using the cdo reader, imho, is a
newbie and most newbies do not have the knowledge to talk about linux and
windows or BG for that matter.
I'm not saying the op is a newbie or unknowledgeable, but you would think a
linux user would know how to use a newsreader.

Tom wrote:
> I was gonna reply to this person, but as I was 90% done with my
> reply, I just deleted it. Just not worth it. Some people are just
> dunce.
>
> not sure if this is his news reader, but this was in the header...
> hehe
>
> X-Newsreader: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000
> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300
>
>
> Tom
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
> ...
>> What OS are you using?
>> Interesting to see your OS incapable of using a newsreader.
>> Or is the OS to complex for you to set up the newsreader?
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>>
>>
>> "Sender's name" > wrote in
>> message ...
>>> When asked in a recent interview:
>>>
>>> "How do you feel about competing open source platforms
>>> such as Unix and Linux?"
>>>
>>> Bill Gates lies through his teeth by saying:
>>>
>>> "The software ecosystem can accommodate many different
>>> development models, and healthy competition is what
>>> produces new innovations and drives technology forward. We
>>> focus our efforts on developing products based on the
>>> commercial model, which we believe produces the best
>>> possible software for our customers."
>>>
>>> PMSL!!! "healthy competition" is why Microsoft paid SCO
>>> in excess of $50 million recently under the table,
>>> right?!? The "software ecosystem" may be able
>>> to "accomodate many different developement models", but M$
>>> sure can't with it's bug ridden, insecure, bloated
>>> software!
>>>
>>> ROFL!!!

[Tom]

Guess not.. lol.
He's having a arguement with Gordon against me about how MS is a monopoly
and there is no choice.. Some people, sigh...exact reason why we shouldn't
allow test tube babies!

Tom


"Phil (a.k.a. purplehaz)" > wrote in message
...
> The CDO reader is the webpage interface reader, which only newbies use. I
> think jupiters point was if the op is so good with os's and knows linux
and
> windows then they should know how to use a proper newsreader like outlook
> express, thunderbird, or agent. Anyone using the cdo reader, imho, is a
> newbie and most newbies do not have the knowledge to talk about linux and
> windows or BG for that matter.
> I'm not saying the op is a newbie or unknowledgeable, but you would think
a
> linux user would know how to use a newsreader.
>
> Tom wrote:
> > I was gonna reply to this person, but as I was 90% done with my
> > reply, I just deleted it. Just not worth it. Some people are just
> > dunce.
> >
> > not sure if this is his news reader, but this was in the header...
> > hehe
> >
> > X-Newsreader: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000
> > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300
> >
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> What OS are you using?
> >> Interesting to see your OS incapable of using a newsreader.
> >> Or is the OS to complex for you to set up the newsreader?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> >> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
> >>
> >>
> >> "Sender's name" > wrote in
> >> message ...
> >>> When asked in a recent interview:
> >>>
> >>> "How do you feel about competing open source platforms
> >>> such as Unix and Linux?"
> >>>
> >>> Bill Gates lies through his teeth by saying:
> >>>
> >>> "The software ecosystem can accommodate many different
> >>> development models, and healthy competition is what
> >>> produces new innovations and drives technology forward. We
> >>> focus our efforts on developing products based on the
> >>> commercial model, which we believe produces the best
> >>> possible software for our customers."
> >>>
> >>> PMSL!!! "healthy competition" is why Microsoft paid SCO
> >>> in excess of $50 million recently under the table,
> >>> right?!? The "software ecosystem" may be able
> >>> to "accomodate many different developement models", but M$
> >>> sure can't with it's bug ridden, insecure, bloated
> >>> software!
> >>>
> >>> ROFL!!!
>
>

[Gordon]

"Tom" > wrote in message
...
> Guess not.. lol.
> He's having a arguement with Gordon against me about how MS is a monopoly
> and there is no choice..

I didn't say a "monopoly" - I said "near" or "virtual" monopoly - not quite
the same thing ;-)

[Plato]

Gordon wrote:
>
> > He's having a arguement with Gordon against me about how MS is a monopoly
> > and there is no choice..
>
> I didn't say a "monopoly" - I said "near" or "virtual" monopoly - not quite
> the same thing ;-)

The reason MS has survived as a monopoly is essentially the same reason
the gas, electric, and local phone company utilities have survived as
monopolies.



--
http://www.bootdisk.com/

[Phil \(a.k.a. purplehaz\)]

Plato wrote:
> Gordon wrote:
>>
>>> He's having a arguement with Gordon against me about how MS is a
>>> monopoly and there is no choice..
>>
>> I didn't say a "monopoly" - I said "near" or "virtual" monopoly -
>> not quite the same thing ;-)
>
> The reason MS has survived as a monopoly is essentially the same
> reason the gas, electric, and local phone company utilities have
> survived as monopolies.

Depends where you live. Here we have choices of two or three different elec
co and telephone co's. No monopoly here -- it all about choice. True one
main company owns the equipment, but they share it with other companies and
you pick who you want to do business with.

[Phil \(a.k.a. purplehaz\)]

Sigh.... I hear ya.........unless someone holds a loaded gun to your head
their is always a different choice and no one can force you to choose
something you don't want. The "no choice" slogan is always a cop out for the
uninformed.

Tom wrote:
> Guess not.. lol.
> He's having a arguement with Gordon against me about how MS is a
> monopoly and there is no choice.. Some people, sigh...exact reason
> why we shouldn't allow test tube babies!
>
> Tom
>
>
> "Phil (a.k.a. purplehaz)" > wrote in message
> ...
>> The CDO reader is the webpage interface reader, which only newbies
>> use. I think jupiters point was if the op is so good with os's and
>> knows linux and windows then they should know how to use a proper
>> newsreader like outlook express, thunderbird, or agent. Anyone using
>> the cdo reader, imho, is a newbie and most newbies do not have the
>> knowledge to talk about linux and windows or BG for that matter.
>> I'm not saying the op is a newbie or unknowledgeable, but you would
>> think a linux user would know how to use a newsreader.
>>
>> Tom wrote:
>>> I was gonna reply to this person, but as I was 90% done with my
>>> reply, I just deleted it. Just not worth it. Some people are just
>>> dunce.
>>>
>>> not sure if this is his news reader, but this was in the header...
>>> hehe
>>>
>>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000
>>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> What OS are you using?
>>>> Interesting to see your OS incapable of using a newsreader.
>>>> Or is the OS to complex for you to set up the newsreader?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Sender's name" > wrote in
>>>> message ...
>>>>> When asked in a recent interview:
>>>>>
>>>>> "How do you feel about competing open source platforms
>>>>> such as Unix and Linux?"
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Gates lies through his teeth by saying:
>>>>>
>>>>> "The software ecosystem can accommodate many different
>>>>> development models, and healthy competition is what
>>>>> produces new innovations and drives technology forward. We
>>>>> focus our efforts on developing products based on the
>>>>> commercial model, which we believe produces the best
>>>>> possible software for our customers."
>>>>>
>>>>> PMSL!!! "healthy competition" is why Microsoft paid SCO
>>>>> in excess of $50 million recently under the table,
>>>>> right?!? The "software ecosystem" may be able
>>>>> to "accomodate many different developement models", but M$
>>>>> sure can't with it's bug ridden, insecure, bloated
>>>>> software!
>>>>>
>>>>> ROFL!!!

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Phil;
Pretty close.
Most of the people who come here with nothing else but to bash Windows
and support Linux or another OS use the CDO.
So either they are incapable of using a newsreader for some reason or
they are afraid because the CDO allows the post to be anonymous with
no indication at all as to the source.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Phil (a.k.a. purplehaz)" > wrote in message
...
> The CDO reader is the webpage interface reader, which only newbies
use. I
> think jupiters point was if the op is so good with os's and knows
linux and
> windows then they should know how to use a proper newsreader like
outlook
> express, thunderbird, or agent. Anyone using the cdo reader, imho,
is a
> newbie and most newbies do not have the knowledge to talk about
linux and
> windows or BG for that matter.
> I'm not saying the op is a newbie or unknowledgeable, but you would
think a
> linux user would know how to use a newsreader.

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

No, but what I do see is someone who is so uncomfortable with his own
position that he needs to resort to name-calling to attempt to shore
it up.

Facts can prove/disprove your position.
Name-calling does nothing more than reflect on your character.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


> wrote in message
...
> ROFLMAO!!! You walked right into this one Juppy, you
> microsheep you!

[Phil \(a.k.a. purplehaz\)]

I thought I got the gist of what you were saying. The anonymous thing is a
good point to. Trolls.........

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> Phil;
> Pretty close.
> Most of the people who come here with nothing else but to bash Windows
> and support Linux or another OS use the CDO.
> So either they are incapable of using a newsreader for some reason or
> they are afraid because the CDO allows the post to be anonymous with
> no indication at all as to the source.
>
>
> "Phil (a.k.a. purplehaz)" > wrote in message
> ...
>> The CDO reader is the webpage interface reader, which only newbies
>> use. I think jupiters point was if the op is so good with os's and
>> knows linux and windows then they should know how to use a proper
>> newsreader like outlook express, thunderbird, or agent. Anyone using
>> the cdo reader, imho, is a newbie and most newbies do not have the
>> knowledge to talk about linux and windows or BG for that matter.
>> I'm not saying the op is a newbie or unknowledgeable, but you would
>> think a linux user would know how to use a newsreader.

[Sender's name]

>-----Original Message-----
>I thought I got the gist of what you were saying. The
anonymous thing is a
>good point to. Trolls.........

Just because you label me a troll, does that really mean
that my point(s) have no merit or truth to them?

>
>Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>> Phil;
>> Pretty close.
>> Most of the people who come here with nothing else but
to bash Windows
>> and support Linux or another OS use the CDO.
>> So either they are incapable of using a newsreader for
some reason or
>> they are afraid because the CDO allows the post to be
anonymous with
>> no indication at all as to the source.
>>
>>
>> "Phil (a.k.a. purplehaz)" > wrote in
message
>> ...
>>> The CDO reader is the webpage interface reader, which
only newbies
>>> use. I think jupiters point was if the op is so good
with os's and
>>> knows linux and windows then they should know how to
use a proper
>>> newsreader like outlook express, thunderbird, or
agent. Anyone using
>>> the cdo reader, imho, is a newbie and most newbies do
not have the
>>> knowledge to talk about linux and windows or BG for
that matter.
>>> I'm not saying the op is a newbie or unknowledgeable,
but you would
>>> think a linux user would know how to use a newsreader.
>
>
>.
>

[Rob Schneider]

> The CDO reader is the webpage interface reader, which only newbies use. I

Humm... for those who travel and can't/don't connect laptops while doing
so, the Microsoft web site using the CDO reader is convienent and surely
used by others than just newbies...

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Phil;
One other thing.
There are legitimate reasons why others use the CDO, not just newbies.
But it does seem interesting how most of the Microsoft bashers use the
CDO.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Phil (a.k.a. purplehaz)" > wrote in message
...
> I thought I got the gist of what you were saying. The anonymous
thing is a
> good point to. Trolls.........

[Brian Coats]

Don’t get on the original poster. He is correct about Microsoft
funding the Sco. Possible the only way ms can try to get rid of
Linux. Of course this will not work. I will not pay for any licensing
of Linux, I already have period. Linux had one major problem
hardware incompatibility.

Brian


>On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:50:08 -0700, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote:

>No, but what I do see is someone who is so uncomfortable with his own
>position that he needs to resort to name-calling to attempt to shore
>it up.
>
>Facts can prove/disprove your position.
>Name-calling does nothing more than reflect on your character.
>
>--
>Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>
>
> wrote in message
...
>> ROFLMAO!!! You walked right into this one Juppy, you
>> microsheep you!
>
>

[Phil \(a.k.a. purplehaz\)]

Sender's name wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> I thought I got the gist of what you were saying. The anonymous
>> thing is a good point to. Trolls.........
>
> Just because you label me a troll, does that really mean
> that my point(s) have no merit or truth to them?

I never called you a troll. I meant trolls use the cdo so they can hide
themselves. As for the points, I really have better things to worry about
then what BG thinks about linux or the windows linux war. I have no opion on
it. It's not important to me. I simply tried to clear up what I thought
jupiter was talking about.

>>
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>> Phil;
>>> Pretty close.
>>> Most of the people who come here with nothing else but to bash
>>> Windows and support Linux or another OS use the CDO.
>>> So either they are incapable of using a newsreader for some reason
>>> or they are afraid because the CDO allows the post to be anonymous
>>> with no indication at all as to the source.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Phil (a.k.a. purplehaz)" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> The CDO reader is the webpage interface reader, which only newbies
>>>> use. I think jupiters point was if the op is so good with os's and
>>>> knows linux and windows then they should know how to use a proper
>>>> newsreader like outlook express, thunderbird, or agent. Anyone
>>>> using the cdo reader, imho, is a newbie and most newbies do not
>>>> have the knowledge to talk about linux and windows or BG for that
>>>> matter. I'm not saying the op is a newbie or unknowledgeable, but
>>>> you would think a linux user would know how to use a newsreader.
>>
>>
>> .

[Tom]

It's got another huge problem. That's usability. People don't want to go
back to the stoneage of command line. Linux community just doesn't get that
or there would be a bigger push from the GUI perspective. Their GUI has
improved but compared to Windows.. it's not even close. People want ease,
people are more attacted now to PC's because of Mac and because of Windows..
they have progressed and made computing easy. Linux just isn't innovative
enough. I attribute that to OpenSource and the fact there is poor management
of new functionality. Then there is support and we all know Linux is a
horrible from a support perspective. Linux has come a long way, I'll say
that, but side by side Windows will always win hands down.

Tom
"Brian Coats" > wrote in message
...
> Don't get on the original poster. He is correct about Microsoft
> funding the Sco. Possible the only way ms can try to get rid of
> Linux. Of course this will not work. I will not pay for any licensing
> of Linux, I already have period. Linux had one major problem
> hardware incompatibility.
>
> Brian
>
>
> >On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:50:08 -0700, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
> wrote:
>
> >No, but what I do see is someone who is so uncomfortable with his own
> >position that he needs to resort to name-calling to attempt to shore
> >it up.
> >
> >Facts can prove/disprove your position.
> >Name-calling does nothing more than reflect on your character.
> >
> >--
> >Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> >http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
> >
> >
> > wrote in message
> ...
> >> ROFLMAO!!! You walked right into this one Juppy, you
> >> microsheep you!
> >
> >
>

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

One other problem I see is more of a psychological aspect.
Many Linux users come off as whiners and complainers of Microsoft in
these and other groups.
Microsoft users may and may not do the same, but that is not really
relevant since everyone knows someone using Microsoft products, many
successfully.
Someone new comes along and sees these whiners and decides they want
nothing to do with that crowd and will stay with the relatively
familiar.
They are killing their own market by their own actions and do not even
see it.

Changing their own public relations at the user level is possibly the
best step Linux users could take to gain support.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Tom" > wrote in message
...
> It's got another huge problem. That's usability. People don't want
to go
> back to the stoneage of command line. Linux community just doesn't
get that
> or there would be a bigger push from the GUI perspective. Their GUI
has
> improved but compared to Windows.. it's not even close. People want
ease,
> people are more attacted now to PC's because of Mac and because of
Windows..
> they have progressed and made computing easy. Linux just isn't
innovative
> enough. I attribute that to OpenSource and the fact there is poor
management
> of new functionality. Then there is support and we all know Linux is
a
> horrible from a support perspective. Linux has come a long way, I'll
say
> that, but side by side Windows will always win hands down.
>
> Tom
> "Brian Coats" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Don't get on the original poster. He is correct about Microsoft
> > funding the Sco. Possible the only way ms can try to get rid of
> > Linux. Of course this will not work. I will not pay for any
licensing
> > of Linux, I already have period. Linux had one major problem
> > hardware incompatibility.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> > >On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:50:08 -0700, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
> > wrote:
> >
> > >No, but what I do see is someone who is so uncomfortable with his
own
> > >position that he needs to resort to name-calling to attempt to
shore
> > >it up.
> > >
> > >Facts can prove/disprove your position.
> > >Name-calling does nothing more than reflect on your character.
> > >
> > >--
> > >Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> > >http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
> > >
> > >
> > > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >> ROFLMAO!!! You walked right into this one Juppy, you
> > >> microsheep you!
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

[Phil \(a.k.a. purplehaz\)]

cquirke (MVP Win9x) wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:15:01 -0500, "Phil \(a.k.a. purplehaz\)"
>> Plato wrote:
>>> Gordon wrote:
>
>>>>> He's having a arguement with Gordon against me about how MS is a
>>>>> monopoly and there is no choice..
>
> Exactly true, if you need to run software that requires Windows.
>
> You have a choice of any number of Linuxes if you want to run software
> that requires Linux, but I'm not sure if the effects are 100%
> beneficial. Perhaps an OS needs to be a standard, from the
> perspective of compatability and critical mass.
>
>>> The reason MS has survived as a monopoly is essentially the same
>>> reason the gas, electric, and local phone company utilities have
>>> survived as monopolies.
>
>> Depends where you live. Here we have choices of two or three
>> different elec co and telephone co's. No monopoly here -- it all
>> about choice. True one main company owns the equipment, but they
>> share it with other companies and you pick who you want to do
>> business with.
>
> Yes, it's interesting to see how this doesn't seem to have translated
> to better electricity in the US. We read stories of rolling brownouts
> etc. and think "these poor third worlders", and then realising we are
> reading about California, not our own continent :-)

Tell me about it. I'm in new york and experienced the blackout of 2003.
Something that was never supposed to happen. No power for almost 12 hours.

>
> But phone; oh yes, we do need competition there. One year's 0.5M ADSL
> rental (the line, not including ISP) costs as much as a decent PC.

Ouch......... can get cable broadband(2.5mb down, 385k up) here for $39.99 a
month (us) and the cheap dsl for $29.99.

>
> The difference is that competing electricity companies don't use
> different voltage and lock you into tribes of appliances, and that
> competing telcos do route calls to each other's networks. With OSs,
> that works as far as Internet access is concerned (tho MS has tended
> to mess around with email standards) but not apps.
>
>
>
>> -------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
> Trsut me, I won't make a mistake!
>> -------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -

[E McCann]

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
...

..
> Microsoft users may and may not do the same, but that is not really
> relevant since everyone knows someone using Microsoft products, many
> successfully.

I had to snag that. <G>

> Someone new comes along and sees these whiners and decides they want
> nothing to do with that crowd and will stay with the relatively
> familiar.

Actually, I mentioned this in a response to Tom in another thread - most
users don't *get* they can have a different OS. They just buy "the box."
Tell them they can change, and they think it's like changing the faceplate
on their phone. Tell them it's more complicated, and they don't want to do
it.

For most folks, it really wouldn't *matter* what they run. Windows is what
came in "the box." (Which inevitably they call "the hard drive" or "the
modem," if not "the thing with the CDs.")



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[Brian Coats]

If it was not for hardware & software incompatibility I would use
Linux all the time. More than the windows os I use now.

Sco and the judge has failed to release the code. It could be a
simple fix. That why the have not released it.

People who use Drdos or Caldera Linux. wont be affected by the
lawsuit. The reason is they already sold the products to the person.
Gave permission by selling the products to those people. That only if
they win.

The sco is talking about the core of a Linux systems. The kernel.
Actual if there is a copyright violations. Only one person is
responsible linus. Linux is so public and everyone know the code.
Why isn’t sco releasing the code that was copied? It could be a
simple fix.

Imagine how many companies would go bankrupt if the sco wins.
Lindows, redhat, suse, mandrake, e.t.c. Not to mention if the sco
won, the companies that use Linux everyday. This lawsuit could drive
up prices everywhere. Could cause other companies to go out of
business. Then they would have only two companies competing Microsoft
and Apple. My question is how the sco found out what companies are
using Linux. They are suing autozone and Damien Chrysler.


Brian

[Alex Nichol]

cquirke (MVP Win9x) wrote:

>>Depends where you live. Here we have choices of two or three different elec
>>co and telephone co's. No monopoly here -- it all about choice. True one
>>main company owns the equipment, but they share it with other companies and
>>you pick who you want to do business with.
>
>Yes, it's interesting to see how this doesn't seem to have translated
>to better electricity in the US. We read stories of rolling brownouts
>etc. and think "these poor third worlders", and then realising we are
>reading about California, not our own continent :-)
>
>But phone; oh yes, we do need competition there. One year's 0.5M ADSL
>rental (the line, not including ISP) costs as much as a decent PC.


It is interesting that in the UK we have a so called competitive market
in electricity and Gas - but having a different so-called supplier of
course makes no difference *whatever* to the product - you do not get
stronger amps or a more stable frequency by changing. But in Telecoms,
switching long distance provider may result in having the long distance
go via an entirely different routing (a company Energis laid optics
along the ground wires of electricity grid lines). And in major urban
areas Mercury even laid its own local connections, - primarily for
business.

But a domestic situation can get independent telephone/internet from a
cable TV company - I have the choice of a BT line with ADSL and the ISP
actually a different company, using the BT local loop solely for initial
access, or (as I do) TV; telephone and broadband cable connection all
from one, entirely different company with different physical connection
from the start. This has had its effect on the pricing, which is
becoming quite competitive



--
Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)

[David Candy]

I haven't had a blackout for over 30 years.

--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
"cquirke (MVP Win9x)" > wrote in message =
...
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:15:01 -0500, "Phil \(a.k.a. purplehaz\)"=20
> >Plato wrote:
> >> Gordon wrote:
>=20
> >>>> He's having a arguement with Gordon against me about how MS is a
> >>>> monopoly and there is no choice..
>=20
> Exactly true, if you need to run software that requires Windows.
>=20
> You have a choice of any number of Linuxes if you want to run software
> that requires Linux, but I'm not sure if the effects are 100%
> beneficial. Perhaps an OS needs to be a standard, from the
> perspective of compatability and critical mass.
>=20
> >> The reason MS has survived as a monopoly is essentially the same
> >> reason the gas, electric, and local phone company utilities have
> >> survived as monopolies.
>=20
> >Depends where you live. Here we have choices of two or three =
different elec
> >co and telephone co's. No monopoly here -- it all about choice. True =
one
> >main company owns the equipment, but they share it with other =
companies and
> >you pick who you want to do business with.
>=20
> Yes, it's interesting to see how this doesn't seem to have translated
> to better electricity in the US. We read stories of rolling brownouts
> etc. and think "these poor third worlders", and then realising we are
> reading about California, not our own continent :-)
>=20
> But phone; oh yes, we do need competition there. One year's 0.5M ADSL
> rental (the line, not including ISP) costs as much as a decent PC.
>=20
> The difference is that competing electricity companies don't use
> different voltage and lock you into tribes of appliances, and that
> competing telcos do route calls to each other's networks. With OSs,
> that works as far as Internet access is concerned (tho MS has tended
> to mess around with email standards) but not apps.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> >-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
> Trsut me, I won't make a mistake!
> >-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -

[cquirke (MVP Win9x)]

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:15:01 -0500, "Phil \(a.k.a. purplehaz\)"
>Plato wrote:
>> Gordon wrote:

>>>> He's having a arguement with Gordon against me about how MS is a
>>>> monopoly and there is no choice..

Exactly true, if you need to run software that requires Windows.

You have a choice of any number of Linuxes if you want to run software
that requires Linux, but I'm not sure if the effects are 100%
beneficial. Perhaps an OS needs to be a standard, from the
perspective of compatability and critical mass.

>> The reason MS has survived as a monopoly is essentially the same
>> reason the gas, electric, and local phone company utilities have
>> survived as monopolies.

>Depends where you live. Here we have choices of two or three different elec
>co and telephone co's. No monopoly here -- it all about choice. True one
>main company owns the equipment, but they share it with other companies and
>you pick who you want to do business with.

Yes, it's interesting to see how this doesn't seem to have translated
to better electricity in the US. We read stories of rolling brownouts
etc. and think "these poor third worlders", and then realising we are
reading about California, not our own continent :-)

But phone; oh yes, we do need competition there. One year's 0.5M ADSL
rental (the line, not including ISP) costs as much as a decent PC.

The difference is that competing electricity companies don't use
different voltage and lock you into tribes of appliances, and that
competing telcos do route calls to each other's networks. With OSs,
that works as far as Internet access is concerned (tho MS has tended
to mess around with email standards) but not apps.



>-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
Trsut me, I won't make a mistake!
>-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -

[mimithebrain]

The truth hurt.
I'm disappointed that 95% of the people use WIN32 apps and OS.
Windows and linux are like cars
Windows is a oil car, Linux is a fast efficient and cool sun powered convertible car!

Note: that with konqueror 3.1.1, it's better to view the newsgroup.
The evolution of the kernel apps and OS is different that the windows evolution.

M$ Verifys the correctivness of their apps and OS.
The L. Kernel is actually alpha, beta tested amoung a big community.
I take programs, learn from them, correct them, unlike windows...
You don't understand _

Windows is made for general public
Linux for nerds.

But now, linux is creping faithly, and beated, twards a large community called the "users"

Bill gates is trying to eleminate competition.
I'll like HIM TO TELL THE WHOLE WORLD:
was is so healthy by the fact you buy the public for 200k american bucks!
Linux people made a choice.

Like me, I'm tired of crashing twice a week because your firewall !
Security is better, stability is better, speed too you know!
http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/extreme_04.html !!
The facts.
Tired!

Fix your software!

[mimithebrain]

The truth hurt.
I'm disappointed that 95% of the people use WIN32 apps and OS.
Windows and linux are like cars
Windows is a oil car, Linux is a fast efficient and cool sun powered convertible car!

Note: that with konqueror 3.1.1, it's better to view the newsgroup.
The evolution of the kernel apps and OS is different that the windows evolution.

M$ Verifys the correctivness of their apps and OS.
The L. Kernel is actually alpha, beta tested amoung a big community.
I take programs, learn from them, correct them, unlike windows...
You don't understand _

Windows is made for general public
Linux for nerds.

But now, linux is creping faithly, and beated, twards a large community called the "users"

Bill gates is trying to eleminate competition.
I'll like HIM TO TELL THE WHOLE WORLD:
was is so healthy by the fact you buy the public for 200k american bucks!
Linux people made a choice.

Like me, I'm tired of crashing twice a week because your firewall !
Security is better, stability is better, speed too you know!
http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/extreme_04.html !!
The facts.
Tired!

Fix your software!

[mimithebrain]

The truth hurt.
I'm disappointed that 95% of the people use WIN32 apps and OS.
Windows and linux are like cars
Windows is a oil car, Linux is a fast efficient and cool sun powered convertible car!

Note: that with konqueror 3.1.1, it's better to view the newsgroup.
The evolution of the kernel apps and OS is different that the windows evolution.

M$ Verifys the correctivness of their apps and OS.
The L. Kernel is actually alpha, beta tested amoung a big community.
I take programs, learn from them, correct them, unlike windows...
You don't understand _

Windows is made for general public
Linux for nerds.

But now, linux is creping faithly, and beated, twards a large community called the "users"

Bill gates is trying to eleminate competition.
I'll like HIM TO TELL THE WHOLE WORLD:
was is so healthy by the fact you buy the public for 200k american bucks!
Linux people made a choice.

Like me, I'm tired of crashing twice a week because your firewall !
Security is better, stability is better, speed too you know!
http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/extreme_04.html !!
The facts.
Tired!

Fix your software!

[Joh N.]

Yves Leclerc, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to use,
wrote:

<top-posting corrected>

> "mimithebrain" > wrote in message
> ...
>> oops, I think I'm wrong...
>> If I'm correct, the amount of money microsoft gave to the SCO was 86
>> millions.
>
> So that is where they got some of the money they needed to SUE Linux users.
>
>

Correction, that's where they got the money to make their feeble attempt at
suing Linux users. It didn't work and SCO is now trying to do their BS war on a
steep and muddy hill...1 step forward, 3 steps sliding back down.

Joh N.
--
Linux 2.4.20-4GB-athlon
10:40pm up 9:18, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

[Jim Macklin]

Bottom posting complains about Microsoft by people who just
prefer to hate Bill Gates.


"Joh N." > wrote in message
...
| Yves Leclerc, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which
end of the pen to use,
| wrote:
|
| <top-posting corrected>
|
| > "mimithebrain" >
wrote in message
| >
...
| >> oops, I think I'm wrong...
| >> If I'm correct, the amount of money microsoft gave to
the SCO was 86
| >> millions.
| >
| > So that is where they got some of the money they needed
to SUE Linux users.
| >
| >
|
| Correction, that's where they got the money to make
their feeble attempt at
| suing Linux users. It didn't work and SCO is now trying to
do their BS war on a
| steep and muddy hill...1 step forward, 3 steps sliding
back down.
|
| Joh N.
| --
| Linux 2.4.20-4GB-athlon
| 10:40pm up 9:18, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00,
0.00
|

[Joh N.]

Jim Macklin, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to use,
wrote:

> Bottom posting complains about Microsoft by people who just
> prefer to hate Bill Gates.

No, I just hate top-posters...the idiocy in it is sickening. The hate against
your shepherd is just an addition.

Joh N.
--
Linux 2.4.20-4GB-athlon
4:20am up 14:59, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.00

[Joh N.]

Joh N., after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to use,
wrote:

> Jim Macklin, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to
> use, wrote:
>
>> Bottom posting complains about Microsoft by people who just
>> prefer to hate Bill Gates.
>
> No, I just hate top-posters...the idiocy in it is sickening. The hate
> against
> your shepherd is just an addition.

P.S.

Except for Kelly...she's too damn cute to get mad at for it!

Joh N.
--
Linux 2.4.20-4GB-athlon
4:34am up 15:13, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.00

[Jim Macklin]

I just top post because it bothers YOU so much.


"Joh N." > wrote in message
...
| Joh N., after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of
the pen to use,
| wrote:
|
| > Jim Macklin, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which
end of the pen to
| > use, wrote:
| >
| >> Bottom posting complains about Microsoft by people who
just
| >> prefer to hate Bill Gates.
| >
| > No, I just hate top-posters...the idiocy in it is
sickening. The hate
| > against
| > your shepherd is just an addition.
|
| P.S.
|
| Except for Kelly...she's too damn cute to get mad at for
it!
|
| Joh N.
| --
| Linux 2.4.20-4GB-athlon
| 4:34am up 15:13, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03,
0.00
|

[Joh N.]

Jim Macklin, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to use,
wrote:

> I just top post because it bothers YOU so much.

Now you're just lying out your ass. You top post all the time. Stupidity and
laziness are your trademark.

Joh N.
--
Linux 2.4.20-4GB-athlon
12:36pm up 23:15, 2 users, load average: 0.18, 0.11, 0.03

[Jim Macklin]

I spend my time sitting on my ass because my donkey is too
tired.


"Joh N." > wrote in message
...
| Jim Macklin, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which
end of the pen to use,
| wrote:
|
| > I just top post because it bothers YOU so much.
|
| Now you're just lying out your ass. You top post all the
time. Stupidity and
| laziness are your trademark.
|
| Joh N.
| --
| Linux 2.4.20-4GB-athlon
| 12:36pm up 23:15, 2 users, load average: 0.18, 0.11,
0.03
|

[SomeOne]

Joh N. wrote:

> Jim Macklin, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to use,
> wrote:
>
>
>>I just top post because it bothers YOU so much.
>
>
> Now you're just lying out your ass. You top post all the time. Stupidity and
> laziness are your trademark.
>
> Joh N.
Linux 2.4.20? I think stupidity and laziness are YOUR trademark.
No, I take it back, they're your signature.

--
Gentoo user stranded on a windows that I ****ed up myself...
Last Linux kernel version used: 2.6.6-rc3

[SomeOne]

SomeOne wrote:
> Joh N. wrote:
>
>> Jim Macklin, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the
>> pen to use,
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I just top post because it bothers YOU so much.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now you're just lying out your ass. You top post all the time.
>> Stupidity and
>> laziness are your trademark.
>>
>> Joh N.
>
> Linux 2.4.20? I think stupidity and laziness are YOUR trademark.
> No, I take it back, they're your signature.
>
> --
> Gentoo user stranded on a windows that I ****ed up myself...
> Last Linux kernel version used: 2.6.6-rc3
P.S. Don't you know that 2.4.20 has has a dozen holes in it?

[Joh N.]

SomeOne, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to use,
wrote:

<snip>

>> Gentoo user stranded on a windows that I ****ed up myself...
>> Last Linux kernel version used: 2.6.6-rc3
> P.S. Don't you know that 2.4.20 has has a dozen holes in it?

Yes, Forrest, I'm well aware and am well patched.
Now, to answer your other patently idiotic reply...if cable or dsl made it way
out here in the woods where I am, I'd have it, and I could download easily the
latest kernel. As it is, I don't have the pipe to spend that kind of time
waiting and waiting and waiting for a half a day or better to do that now.

Joh N.
--
Linux 2.4.20-4GB-athlon
7:24pm up 1 day 6:03, 2 users, load average: 0.06, 0.06, 0.06