Do I have to buy another copy of XP

[Wislndixie]

I bought a full OEM version of Windows XP Home at
christmas. I'm now getting a new computer. Can I
reinstall my current version and reactivate or do I have
to buy another copy of XP Home?
Thanks,
Wisln

[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

"Wislndixie" > wrote in message
...
> I bought a full OEM version of Windows XP Home at
> christmas. I'm now getting a new computer. Can I
> reinstall my current version and reactivate or do I have
> to buy another copy of XP Home?
> Thanks,
> Wisln

You will have to buy another copy of Windows XP.
One of the limits and hence the cheapness of the OEM product is that it is
tied to the first machine it is installed to and may not be moved to another
system, even in the event of the complete failure of that machine.

--
Regards,

Mike
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"Wislndixie" > wrote in message
...
> I bought a full OEM version of Windows XP Home at
> christmas. I'm now getting a new computer. Can I
> reinstall my current version and reactivate or do I have
> to buy another copy of XP Home?
> Thanks,
> Wisln

[Wade]

I have to disagree with Mike. I bought an OEM version of
Windows XP Pro. I have moved the copy three times now. I
built three new computers and successfully moved the OEM
version over all three times. You will have to call
Microsoft during the activation process. I explained to
them what I am doing and they did not mention anything to
me about having an OEM version vs. Retail version. There
is also a time out period as well, which means after a
certain time interval you can reactivate windows XP with a
completely new set of hardware. (This happened to me on my
third move, no need to call Microsoft). Microsoft's
official policy is what Mike said, but it never hurts to
try. So, the only limitations I have found with the OEM
version is you do not get the two free support calls and
you must do full installs instead of upgrades. Hope this
helps.

Wade



>-----Original Message-----
>"Wislndixie" > wrote
in message
...
>> I bought a full OEM version of Windows XP Home at
>> christmas. I'm now getting a new computer. Can I
>> reinstall my current version and reactivate or do I have
>> to buy another copy of XP Home?
>> Thanks,
>> Wisln
>
>You will have to buy another copy of Windows XP.
>One of the limits and hence the cheapness of the OEM
product is that it is
>tied to the first machine it is installed to and may not
be moved to another
>system, even in the event of the complete failure of that
machine.
>
>--
>Regards,
>
>Mike
>--
>Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
>
>This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
confers no
>rights
>
>Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions,
please use these
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>
>"Wislndixie" > wrote
in message
...
>> I bought a full OEM version of Windows XP Home at
>> christmas. I'm now getting a new computer. Can I
>> reinstall my current version and reactivate or do I have
>> to buy another copy of XP Home?
>> Thanks,
>> Wisln
>
>
>.
>

[nobody]

I would wait for at least 120 days and then try it on the new computer,
you've got nothing to loose.

"Wislndixie" > wrote in message
...
> I bought a full OEM version of Windows XP Home at
> christmas. I'm now getting a new computer. Can I
> reinstall my current version and reactivate or do I have
> to buy another copy of XP Home?
> Thanks,
> Wisln
>

[Ziggy]

depends on what u did, i rebuilt a new machine & a new hard drive & it
wouldnt activate & i called & told them i out a new hard drive in & they
gave me a code & no problems. allthough i rebuild my machine 4x a year so
always new parts except the case.


"nobody" > wrote in message
. com...
> I would wait for at least 120 days and then try it on the new computer,
> you've got nothing to loose.
>
> "Wislndixie" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I bought a full OEM version of Windows XP Home at
> > christmas. I'm now getting a new computer. Can I
> > reinstall my current version and reactivate or do I have
> > to buy another copy of XP Home?
> > Thanks,
> > Wisln
> >
>
>

[Ken Blake, MVP]

In ,
Wade > typed:

> I have to disagree with Mike. I bought an OEM version of
> Windows XP Pro. I have moved the copy three times now. I
> built three new computers and successfully moved the OEM
> version over all three times. You will have to call
> Microsoft during the activation process. I explained to
> them what I am doing and they did not mention anything to
> me about having an OEM version vs. Retail version.


Mike is exactly right. The OEM EULA is very clear. You can *not*
do this. If you got away with doing it, it was either because the
person you spoke with didn't realize you had an OEM version,
didn't know the rule, or didn't bother to enforce it.

You are apparently a person who thinks it's OK to do something
that's prohibited, just as long as you don't get caught.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup

[pjp]

" You are apparently a person who thinks it's OK to do something that's
prohibited, just as long as you don't get caught."

Well, that is the way both American business and politics work so why is it
a surprise that many in that society also feel it's ok?

(I mean American in the sense of most western societies, including Canada,
Britain, France, Germany etc.).



"Ken Blake, MVP" > wrote in message
...
> In ,
> Wade > typed:
>
> > I have to disagree with Mike. I bought an OEM version of
> > Windows XP Pro. I have moved the copy three times now. I
> > built three new computers and successfully moved the OEM
> > version over all three times. You will have to call
> > Microsoft during the activation process. I explained to
> > them what I am doing and they did not mention anything to
> > me about having an OEM version vs. Retail version.
>
>
> Mike is exactly right. The OEM EULA is very clear. You can *not*
> do this. If you got away with doing it, it was either because the
> person you spoke with didn't realize you had an OEM version,
> didn't know the rule, or didn't bother to enforce it.
>
> You are apparently a person who thinks it's OK to do something
> that's prohibited, just as long as you don't get caught.
>
> --
> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
> Please reply to the newsgroup
>
>

[Wade]

blah blah blah for Ken Blake. I am not violating the
EULA. I am still only using one copy of XP Pro.
Microsoft has to be flexible with the activation process
to allow for people who upgrade a lot. The OEM limitation
to the original computer is more of a guideline not an
enforced policy. If you explain what you are doing
exactly to Microsoft they will be flexible with these
guidelines. Don't try to lump me in with hackers and
other people who try to cheat the system!

>-----Original Message-----
>In ,
>Wade > typed:
>
>> I have to disagree with Mike. I bought an OEM version
of
>> Windows XP Pro. I have moved the copy three times
now. I
>> built three new computers and successfully moved the OEM
>> version over all three times. You will have to call
>> Microsoft during the activation process. I explained to
>> them what I am doing and they did not mention anything
to
>> me about having an OEM version vs. Retail version.
>
>
>Mike is exactly right. The OEM EULA is very clear. You
can *not*
>do this. If you got away with doing it, it was either
because the
>person you spoke with didn't realize you had an OEM
version,
>didn't know the rule, or didn't bother to enforce it.
>
>You are apparently a person who thinks it's OK to do
something
>that's prohibited, just as long as you don't get caught.
>
>--
>Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
>Please reply to the newsgroup
>
>
>.
>

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

Yes, of course you do.

First of all, based upon the description you've provided, you have
an OEM license for WinXP Home. An OEM version must be sold with a
piece of hardware (normally a motherboard or hard rive, if not an
entire PC) and is _permanently_ bound to the first PC on which it's
installed. An OEM license, once installed, is not legally
transferable to another computer under _any_ circumstances.

As it has *always* been with *all* Microsoft operating systems,
it's necessary (to be in compliance with both the EULA, if not
technically) to purchase one WinXP license for each computer on which
it is installed. The only way in which WinXP licensing differs from
that of earlier versions of Windows is that Microsoft has finally
added a copy protection and anti-theft mechanism, Product Activation,
to prevent (or at least make more difficult) multiple installations
using a single license


Bruce Chambers

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"Wislndixie" > wrote in message
...
>I bought a full OEM version of Windows XP Home at
> christmas. I'm now getting a new computer. Can I
> reinstall my current version and reactivate or do I have
> to buy another copy of XP Home?
> Thanks,
> Wisln

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

Do you really think that announcing that you've made a habit
knowingly and willingly violating the WinXP EULA on a Microsoft server
is particularly wise?

Anyway, the rest of us, not to mention any future prospective
employers, banks, and whomever else you might someday do business
with, do appreciate your telling us that your given word or signature
on a contract is without value.


Bruce Chambers

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"Wade" > wrote in message
...
>I have to disagree with Mike. I bought an OEM version of
> Windows XP Pro. I have moved the copy three times now. I
> built three new computers and successfully moved the OEM
> version over all three times. You will have to call
> Microsoft during the activation process. I explained to
> them what I am doing and they did not mention anything to
> me about having an OEM version vs. Retail version. There
> is also a time out period as well, which means after a
> certain time interval you can reactivate windows XP with a
> completely new set of hardware. (This happened to me on my
> third move, no need to call Microsoft). Microsoft's
> official policy is what Mike said, but it never hurts to
> try. So, the only limitations I have found with the OEM
> version is you do not get the two free support calls and
> you must do full installs instead of upgrades. Hope this
> helps.
>
> Wade
>
>
>

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

Yes, you are in violation of the EULA. Try reading it. And we'll
lump you in with the people who have no integrity.

Bruce Chambers

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having both at once. -- RAH


"Wade" > wrote in message
...
> blah blah blah for Ken Blake. I am not violating the
> EULA. I am still only using one copy of XP Pro.
> Microsoft has to be flexible with the activation process
> to allow for people who upgrade a lot. The OEM limitation
> to the original computer is more of a guideline not an
> enforced policy. If you explain what you are doing
> exactly to Microsoft they will be flexible with these
> guidelines. Don't try to lump me in with hackers and
> other people who try to cheat the system!
>

[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

Wade,

You are in breach of the End User License Agreement.
It specifically forbids the movement of the license from the original
install machine.

--
Regards,

Mike
--
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This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights

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"Wade" > wrote in message
...
> blah blah blah for Ken Blake. I am not violating the
> EULA. I am still only using one copy of XP Pro.
> Microsoft has to be flexible with the activation process
> to allow for people who upgrade a lot. The OEM limitation
> to the original computer is more of a guideline not an
> enforced policy. If you explain what you are doing
> exactly to Microsoft they will be flexible with these
> guidelines. Don't try to lump me in with hackers and
> other people who try to cheat the system!
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >In ,
> >Wade > typed:
> >
> >> I have to disagree with Mike. I bought an OEM version
> of
> >> Windows XP Pro. I have moved the copy three times
> now. I
> >> built three new computers and successfully moved the OEM
> >> version over all three times. You will have to call
> >> Microsoft during the activation process. I explained to
> >> them what I am doing and they did not mention anything
> to
> >> me about having an OEM version vs. Retail version.
> >
> >
> >Mike is exactly right. The OEM EULA is very clear. You
> can *not*
> >do this. If you got away with doing it, it was either
> because the
> >person you spoke with didn't realize you had an OEM
> version,
> >didn't know the rule, or didn't bother to enforce it.
> >
> >You are apparently a person who thinks it's OK to do
> something
> >that's prohibited, just as long as you don't get caught.
> >
> >--
> >Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
> >Please reply to the newsgroup
> >
> >
> >.
> >

[pjp]

All else said, were's this "contract" you speak of.

I don't personally ever remember signing anything or giving any kind of
verbal agreement to any Microsoft representative for any product I've ever
had of theirs, and that's 20 years now. Simply adding some piece of paper to
the inside of a box which can't even be read until after I spend my time and
money to purchaser this same box doesn't amount to a contract from my point
of view.

From a fellow running 5 pc's but only has the one 98SE disk, you gonna run
me down also? If so, think hard before you do as it's a trick question :)

"Bruce Chambers" > wrote in message
...
> Greetings --
>
> Do you really think that announcing that you've made a habit
> knowingly and willingly violating the WinXP EULA on a Microsoft server
> is particularly wise?
>
> Anyway, the rest of us, not to mention any future prospective
> employers, banks, and whomever else you might someday do business
> with, do appreciate your telling us that your given word or signature
> on a contract is without value.
>
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> --
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
>
> You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
> having both at once. -- RAH
>
>
> "Wade" > wrote in message
> ...
> >I have to disagree with Mike. I bought an OEM version of
> > Windows XP Pro. I have moved the copy three times now. I
> > built three new computers and successfully moved the OEM
> > version over all three times. You will have to call
> > Microsoft during the activation process. I explained to
> > them what I am doing and they did not mention anything to
> > me about having an OEM version vs. Retail version. There
> > is also a time out period as well, which means after a
> > certain time interval you can reactivate windows XP with a
> > completely new set of hardware. (This happened to me on my
> > third move, no need to call Microsoft). Microsoft's
> > official policy is what Mike said, but it never hurts to
> > try. So, the only limitations I have found with the OEM
> > version is you do not get the two free support calls and
> > you must do full installs instead of upgrades. Hope this
> > helps.
> >
> > Wade
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Wade]

Mike,

Since you sound much more level headed than the tyrants
above.

At what point does it no longer become the original
machine? Are you saying once you add or remove the magic
number of parts to require activation that the machine is
no longer the original? The reason I ask is because as
you start mixing and matching the parts between three
different computers during upgrades it becomes unclear
which machine is the original computer. Does Microsoft
give us a clear-cut definition of what the original
machine is, because as far as I am concerned that is what
I am using?

Wade

>-----Original Message-----
>Wade,
>
>You are in breach of the End User License Agreement.
>It specifically forbids the movement of the license from
the original
>install machine.
>
>--
>Regards,
>
>Mike
>--
>Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
>
>This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
confers no
>rights
>
>Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions,
please use these
>newsgroups
>
>"Wade" > wrote in
message
...
>> blah blah blah for Ken Blake. I am not violating the
>> EULA. I am still only using one copy of XP Pro.
>> Microsoft has to be flexible with the activation process
>> to allow for people who upgrade a lot. The OEM
limitation
>> to the original computer is more of a guideline not an
>> enforced policy. If you explain what you are doing
>> exactly to Microsoft they will be flexible with these
>> guidelines. Don't try to lump me in with hackers and
>> other people who try to cheat the system!
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >In ,
>> >Wade > typed:
>> >
>> >> I have to disagree with Mike. I bought an OEM
version
>> of
>> >> Windows XP Pro. I have moved the copy three times
>> now. I
>> >> built three new computers and successfully moved the
OEM
>> >> version over all three times. You will have to call
>> >> Microsoft during the activation process. I
explained to
>> >> them what I am doing and they did not mention
anything
>> to
>> >> me about having an OEM version vs. Retail version.
>> >
>> >
>> >Mike is exactly right. The OEM EULA is very clear. You
>> can *not*
>> >do this. If you got away with doing it, it was either
>> because the
>> >person you spoke with didn't realize you had an OEM
>> version,
>> >didn't know the rule, or didn't bother to enforce it.
>> >
>> >You are apparently a person who thinks it's OK to do
>> something
>> >that's prohibited, just as long as you don't get
caught.
>> >
>> >--
>> >Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
>> >Please reply to the newsgroup
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>

[Alex Nichol]

Wislndixie wrote:

>I bought a full OEM version of Windows XP Home at
>christmas. I'm now getting a new computer. Can I
>reinstall my current version and reactivate or do I have
>to buy another copy of XP Home?


You have to buy another. The big catch with OEM licenses (and the main
reason they are cheaper) is that the license is solely to the machine
where it is first installed, and may not be transferred


--
Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)

[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

Wade,

You have hit a particular grey area.
For the original use of OEM licences which was to provide them to OEMs to
preinstall on their hardware, the machine was no longer considered original
when it was modified (updated etc) in such a way as it was no longer
supported by the OEM.
So if you had an HP machine and you got a new drive from HP then your would
be OK. If you changed out the mother board then HP would no longer support
you and as such the OEM license for the OS would be dead.

Now in these times where you can buy an OEM CD ROM with a piece of hardware
required for the operation of the device. You no longer have a full OEM to
ask.

I cannot make a policy statement.
Ideally the OEM (the person that supplied the OEM software should be able to
provide you with a definitive answer).
Answers from the field have been things like the motherboard but that is not
an official answer from Microsoft.


--
Regards,

Mike
--
Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights

Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
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"Wade" > wrote in message
...
> Mike,
>
> Since you sound much more level headed than the tyrants
> above.
>
> At what point does it no longer become the original
> machine? Are you saying once you add or remove the magic
> number of parts to require activation that the machine is
> no longer the original? The reason I ask is because as
> you start mixing and matching the parts between three
> different computers during upgrades it becomes unclear
> which machine is the original computer. Does Microsoft
> give us a clear-cut definition of what the original
> machine is, because as far as I am concerned that is what
> I am using?
>
> Wade
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Wade,
> >
> >You are in breach of the End User License Agreement.
> >It specifically forbids the movement of the license from
> the original
> >install machine.
> >
> >--
> >Regards,
> >
> >Mike
> >--
> >Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
> >
> >This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> confers no
> >rights
> >
> >Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions,
> please use these
> >newsgroups
> >
> >"Wade" > wrote in
> message
> ...
> >> blah blah blah for Ken Blake. I am not violating the
> >> EULA. I am still only using one copy of XP Pro.
> >> Microsoft has to be flexible with the activation process
> >> to allow for people who upgrade a lot. The OEM
> limitation
> >> to the original computer is more of a guideline not an
> >> enforced policy. If you explain what you are doing
> >> exactly to Microsoft they will be flexible with these
> >> guidelines. Don't try to lump me in with hackers and
> >> other people who try to cheat the system!
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >In ,
> >> >Wade > typed:
> >> >
> >> >> I have to disagree with Mike. I bought an OEM
> version
> >> of
> >> >> Windows XP Pro. I have moved the copy three times
> >> now. I
> >> >> built three new computers and successfully moved the
> OEM
> >> >> version over all three times. You will have to call
> >> >> Microsoft during the activation process. I
> explained to
> >> >> them what I am doing and they did not mention
> anything
> >> to
> >> >> me about having an OEM version vs. Retail version.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Mike is exactly right. The OEM EULA is very clear. You
> >> can *not*
> >> >do this. If you got away with doing it, it was either
> >> because the
> >> >person you spoke with didn't realize you had an OEM
> >> version,
> >> >didn't know the rule, or didn't bother to enforce it.
> >> >
> >> >You are apparently a person who thinks it's OK to do
> >> something
> >> >that's prohibited, just as long as you don't get
> caught.
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
> >> >Please reply to the newsgroup
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >.
> >

[Alex Nichol]

Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:

>Now in these times where you can buy an OEM CD ROM with a piece of hardware
>required for the operation of the device. You no longer have a full OEM to
>ask.
>
>I cannot make a policy statement.
>Ideally the OEM (the person that supplied the OEM software should be able to
>provide you with a definitive answer).
>Answers from the field have been things like the motherboard but that is not
>an official answer from Microsoft.

Bluntly, I think the proper course to resolve this whole problem is for
Microsoft to cease allowing sale of an 'OEM' copy with a piece of
hardware, say a hard disk, let alone a cable. I find in fact that the
only logical reading of the EULA is that the license is then tied to
*that item* and is transferable with it. But OTOH, if the item of
hardware concerned fails then the license dies with it. Which does not
make sense.

I think that MSoft should provide only:

OEM Licenses for new machines - capable of running with no more than a
monitor added - the licenses to die with the machine, as represented by
cessation of support from the maker (and conveniently handled through
BIOS lock). So fitting a third party motherboard that the maker did
not supply would require a new license

And

Retail copies (Full or upgrade), at retail prices, and fully
transferable through the present type of activation system

and cease this 'with a piece of hardware' - which only came in
originally to permit an 'upgrade' to Win 95 B, which was only being
supplied as an OEM SR, not retail


--
Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)

[Brian Coats]

However, Microsoft I don’t think could enforce it in court because
the allow oem sales without hardware.

http://www.softwareguy.com No hardware at all.

http://www.walmart.com/ xp oem with Just a mouse.

A lot of other places do too.

I thought once as you did.
Microsoft should of put on the outside of the carton. The exact
restrictions on how an oem can be sold and used. This way everyone
can read it before being sold.

Unfortunately. I got windows 98 oem. Which I cant legally install
until I get a license for it. I didn’t know nothing about the
restrictions until I saw it in the windows 98 group. The company
would not refund my money. I paid $89.00 for nothing. The softway
guy also said I didn’t need a coa. He said the license is on the
disk. I even called the softway guy and he told me the sale was
legal. That’s a big joke.

I even got one computer person to tell me. The full retail xp version
can not be removed and put on another computer-hehe (Trying to sell
the oem)


You windows 98 question.
If you have the retail version, you may remove it from one computer
to another computer. Unless you have an a special License to install
it on more that one system.

I willing to pay Microsoft License to use my 98se oem.


Brian Coats
(Note not my real name)




>On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:28:41 +0100, Alex Nichol > wrote:

>Wislndixie wrote:
>
>>I bought a full OEM version of Windows XP Home at
>>christmas. I'm now getting a new computer. Can I
>>reinstall my current version and reactivate or do I have
>>to buy another copy of XP Home?
>
>
>You have to buy another. The big catch with OEM licenses (and the main
>reason they are cheaper) is that the license is solely to the machine
>where it is first installed, and may not be transferred
>
>
>--
>Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
>Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)

[myself]

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 04:24:48 -0400, pjp wrote:

> From a fellow running 5 pc's but only has the one 98SE disk, you gonna run
> me down also? If so, think hard before you do as it's a trick question :)

Gotcha beat - I've got five computers and NO Windows CD's. :o)

[David Candy]

Why isn't it your real name. Your opinion is worthless then.

You can complain to MS and they'll stop selling the software to =
softwareguy so he can't sell to others. Ditto Walmart as a mouse is not =
sufficient. This is part of the licence agreement between MS and the =
OEM.=20

4. SOFTWARE DISTRIBUTION

4.1 If the enclosed Software Unit consists of a desktop operating =
system, Microsoft grants to you a

nonexclusive right to distribute each Software Unit, provided it is =
distributed accompanied with either a fully

assembled computer system or nonperipheral computer hardware component =
(that will be an integral part of

the computer system on which the Software Unit will be installed). A =
fully assembled computer system shall

consist of at least a central processing unit, a motherboard, a hard =
drive, a power supply, and a case.

4.2 If the enclosed Software Unit consists of application or server =
software, Microsoft grants to you a

nonexclusive right to distribute each Software Unit, provided it is =
distributed only with a fully assembled

computer system.

4.3 Each Software Unit must be distributed pursuant to the End-User =
License Agreement that accompanies

the Software Unit. Under the terms of the EULA you are the licensor.


--=20
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http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
"Brian Coats" > wrote in message =
...
> However, Microsoft I don=92t think could enforce it in court because
> the allow oem sales without hardware.
>=20
> http://www.softwareguy.com No hardware at all.
>=20
> http://www.walmart.com/ xp oem with Just a mouse. =20
>=20
> A lot of other places do too.
>=20
> I thought once as you did. =20
> Microsoft should of put on the outside of the carton. The exact
> restrictions on how an oem can be sold and used. This way everyone
> can read it before being sold.
>=20
> Unfortunately. I got windows 98 oem. Which I cant legally install
> until I get a license for it. I didn=92t know nothing about the
> restrictions until I saw it in the windows 98 group. The company
> would not refund my money. I paid $89.00 for nothing. The softway
> guy also said I didn=92t need a coa. He said the license is on the
> disk. I even called the softway guy and he told me the sale was
> legal. That=92s a big joke.=20
>=20
> I even got one computer person to tell me. The full retail xp version
> can not be removed and put on another computer-hehe (Trying to sell
> the oem)
>=20
>=20
> You windows 98 question.
> If you have the retail version, you may remove it from one computer
> to another computer. Unless you have an a special License to install
> it on more that one system.
>=20
> I willing to pay Microsoft License to use my 98se oem.
>=20
>=20
> Brian Coats
> (Note not my real name)
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> >On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:28:41 +0100, Alex Nichol =
> wrote:
>=20
> >Wislndixie wrote:
> >
> >>I bought a full OEM version of Windows XP Home at=20
> >>christmas. I'm now getting a new computer. Can I=20
> >>reinstall my current version and reactivate or do I have=20
> >>to buy another copy of XP Home?
> >
> >
> >You have to buy another. The big catch with OEM licenses (and the =
main
> >reason they are cheaper) is that the license is solely to the machine
> >where it is first installed, and may not be transferred
> >
> >
> >--=20
> >Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
> >Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)
>

[Brian Coats]

Alex,
I think this is a better fix. Have all computer come with a
preinstalled full retail version. But with No support through
Microsoft.

Have a Full Retail version for sale with support extra. (At an oem
price) All operating systems not just xp.

Microsoft charges oem very little to buy that disk.

If Microsoft release a special full retail version of different
operating systems. For $50.00 each os and take money orders as well.

In one year the could make a ton of money.

Brian

[Brian Coats]

Alot of people here don't use a real name. I already made the
suggestion using my real name at the ms website. Big deal.

Brian Coats


>On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 04:54:51 +1000, "David Candy" > wrote:

>Why isn't it your real name. Your opinion is worthless then.
>
>You can complain to MS and they'll stop selling the software to =
>softwareguy so he can't sell to others. Ditto Walmart as a mouse is not =
>sufficient. This is part of the licence agreement between MS and the =
>OEM.=20
>
>4. SOFTWARE DISTRIBUTION
>
>4.1 If the enclosed Software Unit consists of a desktop operating =
>system, Microsoft grants to you a
>
>nonexclusive right to distribute each Software Unit, provided it is =
>distributed accompanied with either a fully
>
>assembled computer system or nonperipheral computer hardware component =
>(that will be an integral part of
>
>the computer system on which the Software Unit will be installed). A =
>fully assembled computer system shall
>
>consist of at least a central processing unit, a motherboard, a hard =
>drive, a power supply, and a case.
>
>4.2 If the enclosed Software Unit consists of application or server =
>software, Microsoft grants to you a
>
>nonexclusive right to distribute each Software Unit, provided it is =
>distributed only with a fully assembled
>
>computer system.
>
>4.3 Each Software Unit must be distributed pursuant to the End-User =
>License Agreement that accompanies
>
>the Software Unit. Under the terms of the EULA you are the licensor.
>
>
>--=20
>----------------------------------------------------------
>http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
>"Brian Coats" > wrote in message =
...
>> However, Microsoft I don=92t think could enforce it in court because
>> the allow oem sales without hardware.
>>=20
>> http://www.softwareguy.com No hardware at all.
>>=20
>> http://www.walmart.com/ xp oem with Just a mouse. =20
>>=20
>> A lot of other places do too.
>>=20
>> I thought once as you did. =20
>> Microsoft should of put on the outside of the carton. The exact
>> restrictions on how an oem can be sold and used. This way everyone
>> can read it before being sold.
>>=20
>> Unfortunately. I got windows 98 oem. Which I cant legally install
>> until I get a license for it. I didn=92t know nothing about the
>> restrictions until I saw it in the windows 98 group. The company
>> would not refund my money. I paid $89.00 for nothing. The softway
>> guy also said I didn=92t need a coa. He said the license is on the
>> disk. I even called the softway guy and he told me the sale was
>> legal. That=92s a big joke.=20
>>=20
>> I even got one computer person to tell me. The full retail xp version
>> can not be removed and put on another computer-hehe (Trying to sell
>> the oem)
>>=20
>>=20
>> You windows 98 question.
>> If you have the retail version, you may remove it from one computer
>> to another computer. Unless you have an a special License to install
>> it on more that one system.
>>=20
>> I willing to pay Microsoft License to use my 98se oem.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Brian Coats
>> (Note not my real name)
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> >On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:28:41 +0100, Alex Nichol =
> wrote:
>>=20
>> >Wislndixie wrote:
>> >
>> >>I bought a full OEM version of Windows XP Home at=20
>> >>christmas. I'm now getting a new computer. Can I=20
>> >>reinstall my current version and reactivate or do I have=20
>> >>to buy another copy of XP Home?
>> >
>> >
>> >You have to buy another. The big catch with OEM licenses (and the =
>main
>> >reason they are cheaper) is that the license is solely to the machine
>> >where it is first installed, and may not be transferred
>> >
>> >
>> >--=20
>> >Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
>> >Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)
>>

[David Candy]

Scum like you often talk like this. It just shows a complete lack of =
ethics.

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"Brian Coats" > wrote in message =
...
> Alot of people here don't use a real name. I already made the
> suggestion using my real name at the ms website. Big deal.
>=20
> Brian Coats
>=20
>=20
> >On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 04:54:51 +1000, "David Candy" > =
wrote:
>=20
> >Why isn't it your real name. Your opinion is worthless then.
> >
> >You can complain to MS and they'll stop selling the software to =3D
> >softwareguy so he can't sell to others. Ditto Walmart as a mouse is =
not =3D
> >sufficient. This is part of the licence agreement between MS and the =
=3D
> >OEM.=3D20
> >
> >4. SOFTWARE DISTRIBUTION
> >
> >4.1 If the enclosed Software Unit consists of a desktop operating =3D
> >system, Microsoft grants to you a
> >
> >nonexclusive right to distribute each Software Unit, provided it is =
=3D
> >distributed accompanied with either a fully
> >
> >assembled computer system or nonperipheral computer hardware =
component =3D
> >(that will be an integral part of
> >
> >the computer system on which the Software Unit will be installed). A =
=3D
> >fully assembled computer system shall
> >
> >consist of at least a central processing unit, a motherboard, a hard =
=3D
> >drive, a power supply, and a case.
> >
> >4.2 If the enclosed Software Unit consists of application or server =
=3D
> >software, Microsoft grants to you a
> >
> >nonexclusive right to distribute each Software Unit, provided it is =
=3D
> >distributed only with a fully assembled
> >
> >computer system.
> >
> >4.3 Each Software Unit must be distributed pursuant to the End-User =
=3D
> >License Agreement that accompanies
> >
> >the Software Unit. Under the terms of the EULA you are the licensor.
> >
> >
> >--=3D20
> >----------------------------------------------------------
> >http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
> >"Brian Coats" > wrote in message =3D
> ...
> >> However, Microsoft I don=3D92t think could enforce it in court =
because
> >> the allow oem sales without hardware.
> >>=3D20
> >> http://www.softwareguy.com No hardware at all.
> >>=3D20
> >> http://www.walmart.com/ xp oem with Just a mouse. =3D20
> >>=3D20
> >> A lot of other places do too.
> >>=3D20
> >> I thought once as you did. =3D20
> >> Microsoft should of put on the outside of the carton. The exact
> >> restrictions on how an oem can be sold and used. This way =
everyone
> >> can read it before being sold.
> >>=3D20
> >> Unfortunately. I got windows 98 oem. Which I cant legally install
> >> until I get a license for it. I didn=3D92t know nothing about the
> >> restrictions until I saw it in the windows 98 group. The company
> >> would not refund my money. I paid $89.00 for nothing. The softway
> >> guy also said I didn=3D92t need a coa. He said the license is on =
the
> >> disk. I even called the softway guy and he told me the sale was
> >> legal. That=3D92s a big joke.=3D20
> >>=3D20
> >> I even got one computer person to tell me. The full retail xp =
version
> >> can not be removed and put on another computer-hehe (Trying to =
sell
> >> the oem)
> >>=3D20
> >>=3D20
> >> You windows 98 question.
> >> If you have the retail version, you may remove it from one =
computer
> >> to another computer. Unless you have an a special License to =
install
> >> it on more that one system.
> >>=3D20
> >> I willing to pay Microsoft License to use my 98se oem.
> >>=3D20
> >>=3D20
> >> Brian Coats
> >> (Note not my real name)
> >>=3D20
> >>=3D20
> >>=3D20
> >>=3D20
> >> >On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:28:41 +0100, Alex Nichol =3D
> > wrote:
> >>=3D20
> >> >Wislndixie wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>I bought a full OEM version of Windows XP Home at=3D20
> >> >>christmas. I'm now getting a new computer. Can I=3D20
> >> >>reinstall my current version and reactivate or do I have=3D20
> >> >>to buy another copy of XP Home?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >You have to buy another. The big catch with OEM licenses (and the =
=3D
> >main
> >> >reason they are cheaper) is that the license is solely to the =
machine
> >> >where it is first installed, and may not be transferred
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >--=3D20
> >> >Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
> >> >Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)
> >>=20
>

[myself]

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:00:48 +0000, Brian Coats wrote:

> Alot of people here don't use a real name. I already made the suggestion
> using my real name at the ms website. Big deal.
>
> Brian Coats

The validity of an argument depends on whether you supply your real name?

[David Candy]

Yes. I know expecting computer people to understand ethics is difficult. =
I once, for the safety of the public (overheard something), had to dob a =
person on remand for attempted murder to the police. The police wanted =
me to be anonymous. But that is utter evil. So I did it publicly and =
there were consequences.

Countries with secret police like china have people secretly inform. If =
you won't put your name to it then don't say nothing.

For instance nothing published publicly can be anonymous. 1961 the law =
last revised in england, 1983 in NZ are two examples.

Unless you like crime, spam, virus attacks, and terrorism everything and =
everybody needs to be accountable.

--=20
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http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
"myself" > wrote in message =
.. .
> On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:00:48 +0000, Brian Coats wrote:
>=20
> > Alot of people here don't use a real name. I already made the =
suggestion
> > using my real name at the ms website. Big deal.
> >=20
> > Brian Coats
>=20
> The validity of an argument depends on whether you supply your real =
name?
>=20
>

[Brian Coats]

To David
Myself and Pcr does not use his real name and he is a mvp.
Luckystrike is another.

Actual If you read and listen to the news. The tell you not to
use your full name or real name on Newsgroups, Irc, chat website.
They even tell you hide your name as much as possible. I was just
following Net Safety advice. And even tell you to sign up for a web
based email to keep your isp email private.

I not being a jerk.

David Is you name alex or wade my post was directed at them not you?


Brian Coats




>On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 05:29:37 +1000, "David Candy" > wrote:

>Yes. I know expecting computer people to understand ethics is difficult. =
>I once, for the safety of the public (overheard something), had to dob a =
>person on remand for attempted murder to the police. The police wanted =
>me to be anonymous. But that is utter evil. So I did it publicly and =
>there were consequences.
>
>Countries with secret police like china have people secretly inform. If =
>you won't put your name to it then don't say nothing.
>
>For instance nothing published publicly can be anonymous. 1961 the law =
>last revised in england, 1983 in NZ are two examples.
>
>Unless you like crime, spam, virus attacks, and terrorism everything and =
>everybody needs to be accountable.
>
>--=20
>----------------------------------------------------------
>http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
>"myself" > wrote in message =
.. .
>> On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:00:48 +0000, Brian Coats wrote:
>>=20
>> > Alot of people here don't use a real name. I already made the =
>suggestion
>> > using my real name at the ms website. Big deal.
>> >=20
>> > Brian Coats
>>=20
>> The validity of an argument depends on whether you supply your real =
>name?
>>=20
>>

[David Candy]

No but as you were wtong in what you thought I'd thought I'd give you =
the proof.

--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
"Brian Coats" > wrote in message =
...
> To David
> Myself and Pcr does not use his real name and he is a mvp.
> Luckystrike is another.
>=20
> Actual If you read and listen to the news. The tell you not to
> use your full name or real name on Newsgroups, Irc, chat website.
> They even tell you hide your name as much as possible. I was just
> following Net Safety advice. And even tell you to sign up for a web
> based email to keep your isp email private.
>=20
> I not being a jerk. =20
>=20
> David Is you name alex or wade my post was directed at them not you?
>=20
>=20
> Brian Coats
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> >On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 05:29:37 +1000, "David Candy" > =
wrote:
>=20
> >Yes. I know expecting computer people to understand ethics is =
difficult. =3D
> >I once, for the safety of the public (overheard something), had to =
dob a =3D
> >person on remand for attempted murder to the police. The police =
wanted =3D
> >me to be anonymous. But that is utter evil. So I did it publicly and =
=3D
> >there were consequences.
> >
> >Countries with secret police like china have people secretly inform. =
If =3D
> >you won't put your name to it then don't say nothing.
> >
> >For instance nothing published publicly can be anonymous. 1961 the =
law =3D
> >last revised in england, 1983 in NZ are two examples.
> >
> >Unless you like crime, spam, virus attacks, and terrorism everything =
and =3D
> >everybody needs to be accountable.
> >
> >--=3D20
> >----------------------------------------------------------
> >http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
> >"myself" > wrote in message =3D
> .. .
> >> On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:00:48 +0000, Brian Coats wrote:
> >>=3D20
> >> > Alot of people here don't use a real name. I already made the =3D
> >suggestion
> >> > using my real name at the ms website. Big deal.
> >> >=3D20
> >> > Brian Coats
> >>=3D20
> >> The validity of an argument depends on whether you supply your real =
=3D
> >name?
> >>=3D20
> >>=20
>

[Brian Coats]

You didn't read my post clearly.

I basically agreed that you cant transfer oems from on machine to
another. I also agree that the oem sale from the softwareguy.com are
also invalid.

There is where the problem is-Microsoft Allowing Companies to sell oem
with just a mouse or no hardware. It easy to find all over the web.

The debate is ongoing whether the purchase of any Operating system Oem
with just hardware like a mouse is legal. Like wal-mart.com

I legally cant install the windows 98 second edition oem. I bought
from the computer guy. I am waiting to see if I can get a license
through a third party. So I can legally use windows 98. I hate
throwing $89.00 in the trash.

Brian

>On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:04:29 +1000, "David Candy" > wrote:

>No but as you were wtong in what you thought I'd thought I'd give you =
>the proof.
>
>--=20
>----------------------------------------------------------
>http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
>"Brian Coats" > wrote in message =
...
>> To David
>> Myself and Pcr does not use his real name and he is a mvp.
>> Luckystrike is another.
>>=20
>> Actual If you read and listen to the news. The tell you not to
>> use your full name or real name on Newsgroups, Irc, chat website.
>> They even tell you hide your name as much as possible. I was just
>> following Net Safety advice. And even tell you to sign up for a web
>> based email to keep your isp email private.
>>=20
>> I not being a jerk. =20
>>=20
>> David Is you name alex or wade my post was directed at them not you?
>>=20
>>=20
>> Brian Coats
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> >On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 05:29:37 +1000, "David Candy" > =
>wrote:
>>=20
>> >Yes. I know expecting computer people to understand ethics is =
>difficult. =3D
>> >I once, for the safety of the public (overheard something), had to =
>dob a =3D
>> >person on remand for attempted murder to the police. The police =
>wanted =3D
>> >me to be anonymous. But that is utter evil. So I did it publicly and =
>=3D
>> >there were consequences.
>> >
>> >Countries with secret police like china have people secretly inform. =
>If =3D
>> >you won't put your name to it then don't say nothing.
>> >
>> >For instance nothing published publicly can be anonymous. 1961 the =
>law =3D
>> >last revised in england, 1983 in NZ are two examples.
>> >
>> >Unless you like crime, spam, virus attacks, and terrorism everything =
>and =3D
>> >everybody needs to be accountable.
>> >
>> >--=3D20
>> >----------------------------------------------------------
>> >http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
>> >"myself" > wrote in message =3D
>> .. .
>> >> On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:00:48 +0000, Brian Coats wrote:
>> >>=3D20
>> >> > Alot of people here don't use a real name. I already made the =3D
>> >suggestion
>> >> > using my real name at the ms website. Big deal.
>> >> >=3D20
>> >> > Brian Coats
>> >>=3D20
>> >> The validity of an argument depends on whether you supply your real =
>=3D
>> >name?
>> >>=3D20
>> >>=20
>>

[help]

forget the eula....get linux...none of this crap to deal with and it is a lot cheaper

[David Candy]

That's my point. They're not allowed to sell OEM with a mouse. And =
they'll get in trouble if you report them.

"with either a fully assembled computer system or nonperipheral computer =
hardware component". That means a mouse isn't good enough.

The reasoning behind selling it with some hardware is that newer =
hardware may require a newer OS to work. A MS OEM Product manager told =
me a mouse is not good enough (15 months ago)..
--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
"Brian Coats" > wrote in message =
...
> You didn't read my post clearly.
>=20
> I basically agreed that you cant transfer oems from on machine to
> another. I also agree that the oem sale from the softwareguy.com are
> also invalid.
>=20
> There is where the problem is-Microsoft Allowing Companies to sell oem
> with just a mouse or no hardware. It easy to find all over the web.
>=20
> The debate is ongoing whether the purchase of any Operating system Oem
> with just hardware like a mouse is legal. Like wal-mart.com=20
>=20
> I legally cant install the windows 98 second edition oem. I bought
> from the computer guy. I am waiting to see if I can get a license
> through a third party. So I can legally use windows 98. I hate
> throwing $89.00 in the trash. =20
>=20
> Brian=20
>=20
> >On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:04:29 +1000, "David Candy" > =
wrote:
>=20
> >No but as you were wtong in what you thought I'd thought I'd give you =
=3D
> >the proof.
> >
> >--=3D20
> >----------------------------------------------------------
> >http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
> >"Brian Coats" > wrote in message =3D
> ...
> >> To David
> >> Myself and Pcr does not use his real name and he is a mvp.
> >> Luckystrike is another.
> >>=3D20
> >> Actual If you read and listen to the news. The tell you not to
> >> use your full name or real name on Newsgroups, Irc, chat website.
> >> They even tell you hide your name as much as possible. I was just
> >> following Net Safety advice. And even tell you to sign up for a =
web
> >> based email to keep your isp email private.
> >>=3D20
> >> I not being a jerk. =3D20
> >>=3D20
> >> David Is you name alex or wade my post was directed at them not =
you?
> >>=3D20
> >>=3D20
> >> Brian Coats
> >>=3D20
> >>=3D20
> >>=3D20
> >>=3D20
> >> >On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 05:29:37 +1000, "David Candy" > =
=3D
> >wrote:
> >>=3D20
> >> >Yes. I know expecting computer people to understand ethics is =3D
> >difficult. =3D3D
> >> >I once, for the safety of the public (overheard something), had to =
=3D
> >dob a =3D3D
> >> >person on remand for attempted murder to the police. The police =
=3D
> >wanted =3D3D
> >> >me to be anonymous. But that is utter evil. So I did it publicly =
and =3D
> >=3D3D
> >> >there were consequences.
> >> >
> >> >Countries with secret police like china have people secretly =
inform. =3D
> >If =3D3D
> >> >you won't put your name to it then don't say nothing.
> >> >
> >> >For instance nothing published publicly can be anonymous. 1961 the =
=3D
> >law =3D3D
> >> >last revised in england, 1983 in NZ are two examples.
> >> >
> >> >Unless you like crime, spam, virus attacks, and terrorism =
everything =3D
> >and =3D3D
> >> >everybody needs to be accountable.
> >> >
> >> >--=3D3D20
> >> >----------------------------------------------------------
> >> >http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
> >> >"myself" > wrote in message =3D3D
> >> .. .
> >> >> On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:00:48 +0000, Brian Coats wrote:
> >> >>=3D3D20
> >> >> > Alot of people here don't use a real name. I already made the =
=3D3D
> >> >suggestion
> >> >> > using my real name at the ms website. Big deal.
> >> >> >=3D3D20
> >> >> > Brian Coats
> >> >>=3D3D20
> >> >> The validity of an argument depends on whether you supply your =
real =3D
> >=3D3D
> >> >name?
> >> >>=3D3D20
> >> >>=3D20
> >>=20
>

[Alex Nichol]

David Candy wrote:

>If the enclosed Software Unit consists of a desktop operating system, Microsoft grants to you a
>
>nonexclusive right to distribute each Software Unit, provided it is distributed accompanied with either a fully
>
>assembled computer system or nonperipheral computer hardware component (that will be an integral part of
>
>the computer system on which the Software Unit will be installed).


It is though just another bit of very sloppy wording: on that, an IDE
cable, or an audio cable to go to a sound card would qualify


--
Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)

[David Candy]

True. And what happens if people start using solid state (or whatever =
technology without a motor) hard drives. Won't be a computer. That was =
my first thought.

And the whole idea has been to allow hardware support. Yet it's far more =
likely that people need to upgrade for something they plug in (esp with =
firewire/usb et al) than rebuilding the guts.

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"Alex Nichol" > wrote in message =
...
> David Candy wrote:
>=20
> >If the enclosed Software Unit consists of a desktop operating system, =
Microsoft grants to you a
> >
> >nonexclusive right to distribute each Software Unit, provided it is =
distributed accompanied with either a fully
> >
> >assembled computer system or nonperipheral computer hardware =
component (that will be an integral part of
> >
> >the computer system on which the Software Unit will be installed).=20
>=20
>=20
> It is though just another bit of very sloppy wording: on that, an IDE
> cable, or an audio cable to go to a sound card would qualify
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
> Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)

>-----Original Message-----
>Yes. I know expecting computer people to understand
ethics is difficult. I once, for the safety of the public
(overheard something), had to dob a person on remand for
attempted murder to the police. The police wanted me to be
anonymous. But that is utter evil. So I did it publicly
and there were consequences.
>
>Countries with secret police like china have people
secretly inform. If you won't put your name to it then
don't say nothing.
>
>For instance nothing published publicly can be anonymous.
1961 the law last revised in england, 1983 in NZ are two
examples.
>
>Unless you like crime, spam, virus attacks, and terrorism
everything and everybody needs to be accountable.

Even CDO trolls like me? PMSL!

>
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>"myself" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:00:48 +0000, Brian Coats wrote:
>>
>> > Alot of people here don't use a real name. I already
made the suggestion
>> > using my real name at the ms website. Big deal.
>> >
>> > Brian Coats
>>
>> The validity of an argument depends on whether you
supply your real name?
>>
>>
>.
>

[tikia]

Quote=I bought A Full oem Version of windows HomeEdition XP and I install it on one computer Can i reinstall the Same version on a Second or reactive or do I have to buy another copy of XP Home?

Thanks,tikia[/QUOTE]

[Malke]

tikia wrote:

>
> Quote=I bought A Full oem Version of windows HomeEdition XP and I
> install it on one computer Can i reinstall the Same version on a
> Second or reactive or do I have to buy another copy of XP Home?
>
> Thanks,tikia
>
>
You need to buy a second copy of the operating system.

Malke
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[kurttrail]

tikia wrote:
> Quote=I bought A Full oem Version of windows HomeEdition XP and I
> install it on one computer Can i reinstall the Same version on a
> Second

Not if you don't want to.

> or reactive or do I have to buy another copy of XP Home?

Not if you don't want to.

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[MadMental]

So what happens when it's installed on a second PC?

kurttrail wrote:
> tikia wrote:
>
>>Quote=I bought A Full oem Version of windows HomeEdition XP and I
>>install it on one computer Can i reinstall the Same version on a
>>Second
>
>
> Not if you don't want to.
>
>
>>or reactive or do I have to buy another copy of XP Home?
>
>
> Not if you don't want to.
>

[Asher_N]

MadMental > wrote in news:3qc7uuFe6nmiU1
@individual.net:

You break copyright laws and are in breach of contract with regards to
the EULA.

> So what happens when it's installed on a second PC?
>
> kurttrail wrote:
>> tikia wrote:
>>
>>>Quote=I bought A Full oem Version of windows HomeEdition XP and I
>>>install it on one computer Can i reinstall the Same version on a
>>>Second
>>
>>
>> Not if you don't want to.
>>
>>
>>>or reactive or do I have to buy another copy of XP Home?
>>
>>
>> Not if you don't want to.
>>
>

[Gordon]

"Asher_N" > wrote in message
48.16
> MadMental > wrote in news:3qc7uuFe6nmiU1
> @individual.net:
>
> You break copyright laws

Not if it's for your own private use. Copyright only apples to PUBLIC
publishing or use.

> and are in breach of contract with regards to
> the EULA.

A contract that you can't read until you imstal the software is not
enforceable, and to date has NOT been enforced.

[kurttrail]

Asher_N wrote:
> MadMental > wrote in news:3qc7uuFe6nmiU1
> @individual.net:
>
> You break copyright laws and are in breach of contract with regards to
> the EULA.

Are you a Judge?

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[kurttrail]

MadMental wrote:
> So what happens when it's installed on a second PC?

Depends.

More than 120 days after the last activation, then the second
installation should be easily activated via the internet.

Less than 120 days after the last activation, then the second
installation can be activated via the phone.

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[Gordon]

"kurttrail" > wrote in
message
> MadMental wrote:
>> So what happens when it's installed on a second PC?
>
> Depends.
>
> More than 120 days after the last activation, then the second
> installation should be easily activated via the internet.

I actually activated the same copy over the internet on two different
machines within FIVE days of each other, a short while ago.

>
> Less than 120 days after the last activation, then the second
> installation can be activated via the phone.

[kurttrail]

Gordon wrote:
> "kurttrail" > wrote in
> message
>> MadMental wrote:
>>> So what happens when it's installed on a second PC?
>>
>> Depends.
>>
>> More than 120 days after the last activation, then the second
>> installation should be easily activated via the internet.
>
> I actually activated the same copy over the internet on two different
> machines within FIVE days of each other, a short while ago.

You were lucky.

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[gordon]

kurttrail wrote:
> Gordon wrote:
>> "kurttrail" > wrote in
>> message
>>> MadMental wrote:
>>>> So what happens when it's installed on a second PC?
>>> Depends.
>>>
>>> More than 120 days after the last activation, then the second
>>> installation should be easily activated via the internet.
>> I actually activated the same copy over the internet on two different
>> machines within FIVE days of each other, a short while ago.
>
> You were lucky.
>

Maybe because one was a desktop and one was a laptop?

[kurttrail]

gordon wrote:
> kurttrail wrote:
>> Gordon wrote:
>>> "kurttrail" > wrote in
>>> message
>>>> MadMental wrote:
>>>>> So what happens when it's installed on a second PC?
>>>> Depends.
>>>>
>>>> More than 120 days after the last activation, then the second
>>>> installation should be easily activated via the internet.
>>> I actually activated the same copy over the internet on two
>>> different machines within FIVE days of each other, a short while
>>> ago.
>>
>> You were lucky.
>>
>
> Maybe because one was a desktop and one was a laptop?

Nope. Just the flakiness of Microsoft Product Activation.

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[Alias]

"gordon" < wrote i
> kurttrail wrote:
>> Gordon wrote:
>>> "kurttrail" < wrote
>>>> MadMental wrote:
>>>>> So what happens when it's installed on a second PC?
>>>> Depends.
>>>>
>>>> More than 120 days after the last activation, then the second
>>>> installation should be easily activated via the internet.
>>> I actually activated the same copy over the internet on two different
>>> machines within FIVE days of each other, a short while ago.
>>
>> You were lucky.
>>
>
> Maybe because one was a desktop and one was a laptop?

No, one computer with one hash per XP. You were lucky. Did you have the same
luck with the Windows Genuine Advantage over at Windows Update?

Alias

[gordon]

Alias wrote:
> "gordon" < wrote i
>> kurttrail wrote:
>>> Gordon wrote:
>>>> "kurttrail" < wrote
>>>>> MadMental wrote:
>>>>>> So what happens when it's installed on a second PC?
>>>>> Depends.
>>>>>
>>>>> More than 120 days after the last activation, then the second
>>>>> installation should be easily activated via the internet.
>>>> I actually activated the same copy over the internet on two different
>>>> machines within FIVE days of each other, a short while ago.
>>> You were lucky.
>>>
>> Maybe because one was a desktop and one was a laptop?
>
> No, one computer with one hash per XP. You were lucky. Did you have the same
> luck with the Windows Genuine Advantage over at Windows Update?
>
> Alias
>
>

Haven't done that. The laptop now has Zenwalk Linux on it.