Page setup changes

[William B. Lurie]

Every few months I ask this same question....nobody
has yet come up with an explanation or a solution.

In Page Setup....Headers and Footers.....
In Netscape Communicator 4.78 etcetera.....

I NEVER want those boxes to be checked, and as
often as I go there and UNcheck them, sure enough,
after a few days, I find them checked again. Something,
somewhere, as Windows 98 or XP do their mysterious work,
resets them to what must be the 'default' state.... checked.

A couple of years ago, we tried running REGMON to see
what was being changed when this occurred, but we could never
establish any correlation...it was not consistent, and almost
impossible to track down.

Please see this screenshot:

http://bellsouthpwp.net/b/i/billurie/SCRSHOT.JPG

I want those 5 boxes near the bottom to STAY unchecked.
Netscape doesn't do any backing up or changing settings.
We believe that someting in Windows falls back to a default or
prior setting in its Registry or wherever.

Any suggestions?

William B. Lurie

[Chris Jackson \(MVP\)]

If you change the printing settings from within an application, those
settings will only be stored until that application terminates, after which
they will revert to the defaults. What you want to do is change the document
defaults. From the Start menu, go to printers and faxes, right click on the
printer, and select printing preferences. This will allow you to modify the
defaults.

--
Chris Jackson
Software Engineer
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP Associate Expert
--
"William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
...
> Every few months I ask this same question....nobody
> has yet come up with an explanation or a solution.
>
> In Page Setup....Headers and Footers.....
> In Netscape Communicator 4.78 etcetera.....
>
> I NEVER want those boxes to be checked, and as
> often as I go there and UNcheck them, sure enough,
> after a few days, I find them checked again. Something,
> somewhere, as Windows 98 or XP do their mysterious work,
> resets them to what must be the 'default' state.... checked.
>
> A couple of years ago, we tried running REGMON to see
> what was being changed when this occurred, but we could never
> establish any correlation...it was not consistent, and almost
> impossible to track down.
>
> Please see this screenshot:
>
> http://bellsouthpwp.net/b/i/billurie/SCRSHOT.JPG
>
> I want those 5 boxes near the bottom to STAY unchecked.
> Netscape doesn't do any backing up or changing settings.
> We believe that someting in Windows falls back to a default or
> prior setting in its Registry or wherever.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> William B. Lurie
>
>

[William B. Lurie]

Gosh, I wish I could agree with you, Chris, but let me elucidate.
Your first sentence makes sense. Likewise the second. The third
sentence........sorry, wrong number. I followed from Printers and Faxes
through Lexmark and printing preferences. There is no place, from the
Lexmark icon on, that Page Setup and Headers and Footers is
mentioned. Lexmark doesn't control the things that are in Page Setup
in Netscape. And to say that when I change them in Netscape and
terminate that application, that it will revert to defaults makes sense,

except that it does NOT happen.

I run Netscape. I do Page Setup and cancel the buttons that would
prescribe printing headers and footers. I print, and it has followed my
directions, no headers and footers. I close the application. I turn the
computer off. I turn it on, and go to the same place; the buttons are
as I left them. If 'checked' is their 'default', why didn't they become
checked? Now to continue, I can do this daily, or several times a
day, and the buttons will stay unchecked, through thick and thin. For
a while. After a random period of time (random to me because I
don't check it daily, only every time I print anything) they will
without
warning show up as checked. Usually after a few days.

I contend (and so do the Netscape MVPs) that Windows.......that's
WINDOWS......is reverting to some default or previously stored
settings, buried somewhere in Registry or System Backup or some such.
I feel that my own experiences, first-hand, are at variance with what
you present as the source of the problem. But don't feel bad about
it. I've been through this before, several times over the past few
years, with Netscape and Microsoft MVPs, and since I can't make it
happen at will, none of you people who are better at this than I am,
can see it happen at will, and track down why it's happening.
Incidentally, the newsgroup postings will tell you that I am not alone
in seeing this, but the total volume apparently doesn't justify seeking
a satisfactory solution.

W B L
"Chris Jackson (MVP)" wrote:

> If you change the printing settings from within an application, those
> settings will only be stored until that application terminates, after
which
> they will revert to the defaults. What you want to do is change the
document
> defaults. From the Start menu, go to printers and faxes, right click
on the
> printer, and select printing preferences. This will allow you to
modify the
> defaults.
>
> --
> Chris Jackson
> Software Engineer
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows XP Associate Expert
> --
> "William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Every few months I ask this same question....nobody
> > has yet come up with an explanation or a solution.
> >
> > In Page Setup....Headers and Footers.....
> > In Netscape Communicator 4.78 etcetera.....
> >
> > I NEVER want those boxes to be checked, and as
> > often as I go there and UNcheck them, sure enough,
> > after a few days, I find them checked again. Something,
> > somewhere, as Windows 98 or XP do their mysterious work,
> > resets them to what must be the 'default' state.... checked.
> >
> > A couple of years ago, we tried running REGMON to see
> > what was being changed when this occurred, but we could never
> > establish any correlation...it was not consistent, and almost
> > impossible to track down.
> >
> > Please see this screenshot:
> >
> > http://bellsouthpwp.net/b/i/billurie/SCRSHOT.JPG
> >
> > I want those 5 boxes near the bottom to STAY unchecked.
> > Netscape doesn't do any backing up or changing settings.
> > We believe that someting in Windows falls back to a default or
> > prior setting in its Registry or wherever.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > William B. Lurie
> >
> >



--

William B. Lurie

[Chris Jackson \(MVP\)]

I was reading your first message rather quickly, and didn't look closely at
the specific settings you were indicating. They aren't printer settings at
all, they are Netscape settings, so you are right - this is a Netscape
setting. Sorry about the confusion - I go through a lot of messages each day
and sometimes I go too quickly.

Netscape is the application responsible for persisting these settings.
Windows is entirely unaware of their existence, since it's not a Windows
setting. Windows just gives you the mechanisms to persist things - it
doesn't handle this by itself. It's annoying, because some things you come
to expect. For example, nearly all applications will persist their window
position when you close it, so the next time you open it, the window will be
the same size. You come to expect that, and most people think that Windows
handles this, which it doesn't. The application developer must take care of
this. So, when you run across an application that doesn't do it, you think
that Windows is messing up, when the truth is that the developer just didn't
implement that mechanism.

In this case, Netscape is having a problem remembering settings. It could be
because an assumption that held true in a previous version of Windows no
longer holds true. It could be any number of things, but it's a Netscape
setting that Windows is entirely unaware of, so I would look there.


--
Chris Jackson
Software Engineer
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP Associate Expert
--
"William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
...
> Gosh, I wish I could agree with you, Chris, but let me elucidate.
> Your first sentence makes sense. Likewise the second. The third
> sentence........sorry, wrong number. I followed from Printers and Faxes
> through Lexmark and printing preferences. There is no place, from the
> Lexmark icon on, that Page Setup and Headers and Footers is
> mentioned. Lexmark doesn't control the things that are in Page Setup
> in Netscape. And to say that when I change them in Netscape and
> terminate that application, that it will revert to defaults makes sense,
>
> except that it does NOT happen.
>
> I run Netscape. I do Page Setup and cancel the buttons that would
> prescribe printing headers and footers. I print, and it has followed my
> directions, no headers and footers. I close the application. I turn the
> computer off. I turn it on, and go to the same place; the buttons are
> as I left them. If 'checked' is their 'default', why didn't they become
> checked? Now to continue, I can do this daily, or several times a
> day, and the buttons will stay unchecked, through thick and thin. For
> a while. After a random period of time (random to me because I
> don't check it daily, only every time I print anything) they will
> without
> warning show up as checked. Usually after a few days.
>
> I contend (and so do the Netscape MVPs) that Windows.......that's
> WINDOWS......is reverting to some default or previously stored
> settings, buried somewhere in Registry or System Backup or some such.
> I feel that my own experiences, first-hand, are at variance with what
> you present as the source of the problem. But don't feel bad about
> it. I've been through this before, several times over the past few
> years, with Netscape and Microsoft MVPs, and since I can't make it
> happen at will, none of you people who are better at this than I am,
> can see it happen at will, and track down why it's happening.
> Incidentally, the newsgroup postings will tell you that I am not alone
> in seeing this, but the total volume apparently doesn't justify seeking
> a satisfactory solution.
>
> W B L
> "Chris Jackson (MVP)" wrote:
>
> > If you change the printing settings from within an application, those
> > settings will only be stored until that application terminates, after
> which
> > they will revert to the defaults. What you want to do is change the
> document
> > defaults. From the Start menu, go to printers and faxes, right click
> on the
> > printer, and select printing preferences. This will allow you to
> modify the
> > defaults.
> >
> > --
> > Chris Jackson
> > Software Engineer
> > Microsoft MVP
> > Windows XP Associate Expert
> > --
> > "William B. Lurie" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Every few months I ask this same question....nobody
> > > has yet come up with an explanation or a solution.
> > >
> > > In Page Setup....Headers and Footers.....
> > > In Netscape Communicator 4.78 etcetera.....
> > >
> > > I NEVER want those boxes to be checked, and as
> > > often as I go there and UNcheck them, sure enough,
> > > after a few days, I find them checked again. Something,
> > > somewhere, as Windows 98 or XP do their mysterious work,
> > > resets them to what must be the 'default' state.... checked.
> > >
> > > A couple of years ago, we tried running REGMON to see
> > > what was being changed when this occurred, but we could never
> > > establish any correlation...it was not consistent, and almost
> > > impossible to track down.
> > >
> > > Please see this screenshot:
> > >
> > > http://bellsouthpwp.net/b/i/billurie/SCRSHOT.JPG
> > >
> > > I want those 5 boxes near the bottom to STAY unchecked.
> > > Netscape doesn't do any backing up or changing settings.
> > > We believe that someting in Windows falls back to a default or
> > > prior setting in its Registry or wherever.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions?
> > >
> > > William B. Lurie
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
> --
>
> William B. Lurie
>
>