none of the usb devices work

[BAZ]

I have a dual boot windows 98 / xp usb is fine in windows 98
but none work in windows xp any ideas thankd BAZ.

[Jim Macklin]

Have you installed SP1?


"BAZ" > wrote in message
...
| I have a dual boot windows 98 / xp usb is fine in windows
98
| but none work in windows xp any ideas thankd BAZ.

[Peter]

SP1 is the important part, he's right, BUT, I have worked my way (mostly
unsuccessfully) thru a lot of USB2 info, both from Microsoft Knowledge Base
and various other sources on the Web and still do not have a satisfactory
'as advertised' performance from USB2 devices, under XP Home..

This is what i have discovered. Most of the drivers/software that comes
with any hardware are routinely 'kicked-out' by XP in Device Manager.. It
appears USB2 is supported by Microsoft with Microsoft only drivers. So don't
bother trying to install anything that came with any of the USB2 hardware
you bought.. This is as it should be i think; i found over time that XP does
a hell of a lot better if you leave a lot of 3rd party software OFF the
system..
Creative Soundblaster in particular, comes to mind..My soundcard works just
fine without all the 'bloatware' Creative thinks i should install..
I have a Compact Flash card reader/writer that i use for storage and to
transfer stuff to other machines.
I also use a 'thumb drive' once inna while USB2 also.
I have an external USB2 40gig hard drive (in addition to my IDE internal)
i use for storage etc. The enclosure that holds it and the bridge and cable
inside came with USB2 stuff that simply were not allowed by XP(?)

There is ONE common thread that runs thru and with all of this.....I always
get a balloon popup system message that tells me i have a high speed usb2
device connected to a non-high speed hub that is not being used (what?) and
i should connect my usb2 hardware to one of those empty ports (there are 4
external, 1 internal) So, what i am telling you is the PCI USB2 card that i
added and that all the usb2 stuff is connected to is recognized by XP, but
it does NOT for some reason see that these ports ARE, in fact, in use.... I
simply do not 'get it'!!

My PC is not a newer machine either; running AMD T Bird 1.3 with 768 ram
and as i said, although the USB2 stuff 'seems' to run slower than
advertised, it is acceptable.. I honestly don't believe Microsoft has a
handle on the USB2 issue at all...If you should discover anything please let
me know, please.

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
...
> Have you installed SP1?
>
>
> "BAZ" > wrote in message
> ...
> | I have a dual boot windows 98 / xp usb is fine in windows
> 98
> | but none work in windows xp any ideas thankd BAZ.
>
>

[Quaoar]

Peter wrote:
> SP1 is the important part, he's right, BUT, I have worked my way
> (mostly unsuccessfully) thru a lot of USB2 info, both from Microsoft
> Knowledge Base and various other sources on the Web and still do not
> have a satisfactory 'as advertised' performance from USB2 devices,
> under XP Home..
>
> This is what i have discovered. Most of the drivers/software that
> comes with any hardware are routinely 'kicked-out' by XP in Device
> Manager.. It appears USB2 is supported by Microsoft with Microsoft
> only drivers. So don't bother trying to install anything that came
> with any of the USB2 hardware you bought.. This is as it should be i
> think; i found over time that XP does a hell of a lot better if you
> leave a lot of 3rd party software OFF the system..
> Creative Soundblaster in particular, comes to mind..My soundcard
> works just fine without all the 'bloatware' Creative thinks i should
> install.. I have a Compact Flash card reader/writer that i use for
> storage and to transfer stuff to other machines.
> I also use a 'thumb drive' once inna while USB2 also.
> I have an external USB2 40gig hard drive (in addition to my IDE
> internal) i use for storage etc. The enclosure that holds it and the
> bridge and cable inside came with USB2 stuff that simply were not
> allowed by XP(?)
>
> There is ONE common thread that runs thru and with all of this.....I
> always get a balloon popup system message that tells me i have a high
> speed usb2 device connected to a non-high speed hub that is not being
> used (what?) and i should connect my usb2 hardware to one of those
> empty ports (there are 4 external, 1 internal) So, what i am telling
> you is the PCI USB2 card that i added and that all the usb2 stuff is
> connected to is recognized by XP, but it does NOT for some reason see
> that these ports ARE, in fact, in use.... I simply do not 'get it'!!
>
> My PC is not a newer machine either; running AMD T Bird 1.3 with
> 768 ram and as i said, although the USB2 stuff 'seems' to run slower
> than advertised, it is acceptable.. I honestly don't believe
> Microsoft has a handle on the USB2 issue at all...If you should
> discover anything please let me know, please.
>
> "Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Have you installed SP1?
>>
>>
>> "BAZ" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I have a dual boot windows 98 / xp usb is fine in windows
>> 98
>>> but none work in windows xp any ideas thankd BAZ.

USB2 support for XP was enabled in SP1,SP1a. That being said, there is
no way that XP itself is going to update USB 1.1 to 2 unless the PCI to
USB Host Controller itself is updated to the use the new drivers. The
easiest way to do this is to remove the host controller from device
manager, and let XP redetect them on the next startup.

Q

[Peter]

USB2 support for XP was enabled in SP1,SP1a. That being said, there is
no way that XP itself is going to update USB 1.1 to 2 unless the PCI to
USB Host Controller itself is updated to the use the new drivers. The
easiest way to do this is to remove the host controller from device
manager, and let XP redetect them on the next startup

I have 5 listings for USB host controller (one for each port on the card) i
also have an enhanced Host Controller.. Does it make sense to remove all of
those? guess i would have to(?)
"Quaoar" > wrote in message
...
> Peter wrote:
> > SP1 is the important part, he's right, BUT, I have worked my way
> > (mostly unsuccessfully) thru a lot of USB2 info, both from Microsoft
> > Knowledge Base and various other sources on the Web and still do not
> > have a satisfactory 'as advertised' performance from USB2 devices,
> > under XP Home..
> >
> > This is what i have discovered. Most of the drivers/software that
> > comes with any hardware are routinely 'kicked-out' by XP in Device
> > Manager.. It appears USB2 is supported by Microsoft with Microsoft
> > only drivers. So don't bother trying to install anything that came
> > with any of the USB2 hardware you bought.. This is as it should be i
> > think; i found over time that XP does a hell of a lot better if you
> > leave a lot of 3rd party software OFF the system..
> > Creative Soundblaster in particular, comes to mind..My soundcard
> > works just fine without all the 'bloatware' Creative thinks i should
> > install.. I have a Compact Flash card reader/writer that i use for
> > storage and to transfer stuff to other machines.
> > I also use a 'thumb drive' once inna while USB2 also.
> > I have an external USB2 40gig hard drive (in addition to my IDE
> > internal) i use for storage etc. The enclosure that holds it and the
> > bridge and cable inside came with USB2 stuff that simply were not
> > allowed by XP(?)
> >
> > There is ONE common thread that runs thru and with all of this.....I
> > always get a balloon popup system message that tells me i have a high
> > speed usb2 device connected to a non-high speed hub that is not being
> > used (what?) and i should connect my usb2 hardware to one of those
> > empty ports (there are 4 external, 1 internal) So, what i am telling
> > you is the PCI USB2 card that i added and that all the usb2 stuff is
> > connected to is recognized by XP, but it does NOT for some reason see
> > that these ports ARE, in fact, in use.... I simply do not 'get it'!!
> >
> > My PC is not a newer machine either; running AMD T Bird 1.3 with
> > 768 ram and as i said, although the USB2 stuff 'seems' to run slower
> > than advertised, it is acceptable.. I honestly don't believe
> > Microsoft has a handle on the USB2 issue at all...If you should
> > discover anything please let me know, please.
> >
> > "Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Have you installed SP1?
> >>
> >>
> >> "BAZ" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> I have a dual boot windows 98 / xp usb is fine in windows
> >> 98
> >>> but none work in windows xp any ideas thankd BAZ.
>
> USB2 support for XP was enabled in SP1,SP1a. That being said, there is
> no way that XP itself is going to update USB 1.1 to 2 unless the PCI to
> USB Host Controller itself is updated to the use the new drivers. The
> easiest way to do this is to remove the host controller from device
> manager, and let XP redetect them on the next startup.
>
> Q
>
>

[Quaoar]

Peter wrote:
> USB2 support for XP was enabled in SP1,SP1a. That being said, there
> is
> no way that XP itself is going to update USB 1.1 to 2 unless the PCI
> to USB Host Controller itself is updated to the use the new drivers.
> The easiest way to do this is to remove the host controller from
> device manager, and let XP redetect them on the next startup
>
> I have 5 listings for USB host controller (one for each port on the
> card) i also have an enhanced Host Controller.. Does it make sense to
> remove all of those? guess i would have to(?)
> "Quaoar" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Peter wrote:
>>> SP1 is the important part, he's right, BUT, I have worked my way
>>> (mostly unsuccessfully) thru a lot of USB2 info, both from Microsoft
>>> Knowledge Base and various other sources on the Web and still do not
>>> have a satisfactory 'as advertised' performance from USB2 devices,
>>> under XP Home..
>>>
>>> This is what i have discovered. Most of the drivers/software that
>>> comes with any hardware are routinely 'kicked-out' by XP in Device
>>> Manager.. It appears USB2 is supported by Microsoft with Microsoft
>>> only drivers. So don't bother trying to install anything that came
>>> with any of the USB2 hardware you bought.. This is as it should be i
>>> think; i found over time that XP does a hell of a lot better if you
>>> leave a lot of 3rd party software OFF the system..
>>> Creative Soundblaster in particular, comes to mind..My soundcard
>>> works just fine without all the 'bloatware' Creative thinks i should
>>> install.. I have a Compact Flash card reader/writer that i use for
>>> storage and to transfer stuff to other machines.
>>> I also use a 'thumb drive' once inna while USB2 also.
>>> I have an external USB2 40gig hard drive (in addition to my IDE
>>> internal) i use for storage etc. The enclosure that holds it and the
>>> bridge and cable inside came with USB2 stuff that simply were not
>>> allowed by XP(?)
>>>
>>> There is ONE common thread that runs thru and with all of this.....I
>>> always get a balloon popup system message that tells me i have a
>>> high speed usb2 device connected to a non-high speed hub that is
>>> not being used (what?) and i should connect my usb2 hardware to one
>>> of those empty ports (there are 4 external, 1 internal) So, what i
>>> am telling you is the PCI USB2 card that i added and that all the
>>> usb2 stuff is connected to is recognized by XP, but it does NOT for
>>> some reason see that these ports ARE, in fact, in use.... I simply
>>> do not 'get it'!!
>>>
>>> My PC is not a newer machine either; running AMD T Bird 1.3 with
>>> 768 ram and as i said, although the USB2 stuff 'seems' to run slower
>>> than advertised, it is acceptable.. I honestly don't believe
>>> Microsoft has a handle on the USB2 issue at all...If you should
>>> discover anything please let me know, please.
>>>
>>> "Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Have you installed SP1?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "BAZ" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> I have a dual boot windows 98 / xp usb is fine in windows
>>>> 98
>>>>> but none work in windows xp any ideas thankd BAZ.
>>
>> USB2 support for XP was enabled in SP1,SP1a. That being said, there
>> is no way that XP itself is going to update USB 1.1 to 2 unless the
>> PCI to USB Host Controller itself is updated to the use the new
>> drivers. The easiest way to do this is to remove the host
>> controller from device manager, and let XP redetect them on the next
>> startup.
>>
>> Q

Enhanced = USB2? Standard = USB 1.1 for certain. I believe that yes,
you do need to do this with each controller to force the upgraded
driver. How one identifies these externally is a mystery to me. I have
4 controllers and have finally figured out which is which. You might
have to consult the MB documentation and trace the cables.

USB2 speed is an issue - it has been written on these NGs that of the
three speeds, only low speed USB2 devices are now available. Mid and
high speed are yet to come. So it has been written.

For AMD, you might want to check with your vendor/main board
manufacturer for any separate updates/drivers needed.

Q

[Peter]

Thanks Quaoar!.........
"Quaoar" > wrote in message
...
> Peter wrote:
> > USB2 support for XP was enabled in SP1,SP1a. That being said, there
> > is
> > no way that XP itself is going to update USB 1.1 to 2 unless the PCI
> > to USB Host Controller itself is updated to the use the new drivers.
> > The easiest way to do this is to remove the host controller from
> > device manager, and let XP redetect them on the next startup
> >
> > I have 5 listings for USB host controller (one for each port on the
> > card) i also have an enhanced Host Controller.. Does it make sense to
> > remove all of those? guess i would have to(?)
> > "Quaoar" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Peter wrote:
> >>> SP1 is the important part, he's right, BUT, I have worked my way
> >>> (mostly unsuccessfully) thru a lot of USB2 info, both from Microsoft
> >>> Knowledge Base and various other sources on the Web and still do not
> >>> have a satisfactory 'as advertised' performance from USB2 devices,
> >>> under XP Home..
> >>>
> >>> This is what i have discovered. Most of the drivers/software that
> >>> comes with any hardware are routinely 'kicked-out' by XP in Device
> >>> Manager.. It appears USB2 is supported by Microsoft with Microsoft
> >>> only drivers. So don't bother trying to install anything that came
> >>> with any of the USB2 hardware you bought.. This is as it should be i
> >>> think; i found over time that XP does a hell of a lot better if you
> >>> leave a lot of 3rd party software OFF the system..
> >>> Creative Soundblaster in particular, comes to mind..My soundcard
> >>> works just fine without all the 'bloatware' Creative thinks i should
> >>> install.. I have a Compact Flash card reader/writer that i use for
> >>> storage and to transfer stuff to other machines.
> >>> I also use a 'thumb drive' once inna while USB2 also.
> >>> I have an external USB2 40gig hard drive (in addition to my IDE
> >>> internal) i use for storage etc. The enclosure that holds it and the
> >>> bridge and cable inside came with USB2 stuff that simply were not
> >>> allowed by XP(?)
> >>>
> >>> There is ONE common thread that runs thru and with all of this.....I
> >>> always get a balloon popup system message that tells me i have a
> >>> high speed usb2 device connected to a non-high speed hub that is
> >>> not being used (what?) and i should connect my usb2 hardware to one
> >>> of those empty ports (there are 4 external, 1 internal) So, what i
> >>> am telling you is the PCI USB2 card that i added and that all the
> >>> usb2 stuff is connected to is recognized by XP, but it does NOT for
> >>> some reason see that these ports ARE, in fact, in use.... I simply
> >>> do not 'get it'!!
> >>>
> >>> My PC is not a newer machine either; running AMD T Bird 1.3 with
> >>> 768 ram and as i said, although the USB2 stuff 'seems' to run slower
> >>> than advertised, it is acceptable.. I honestly don't believe
> >>> Microsoft has a handle on the USB2 issue at all...If you should
> >>> discover anything please let me know, please.
> >>>
> >>> "Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>> Have you installed SP1?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "BAZ" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>>> I have a dual boot windows 98 / xp usb is fine in windows
> >>>> 98
> >>>>> but none work in windows xp any ideas thankd BAZ.
> >>
> >> USB2 support for XP was enabled in SP1,SP1a. That being said, there
> >> is no way that XP itself is going to update USB 1.1 to 2 unless the
> >> PCI to USB Host Controller itself is updated to the use the new
> >> drivers. The easiest way to do this is to remove the host
> >> controller from device manager, and let XP redetect them on the next
> >> startup.
> >>
> >> Q
>
> Enhanced = USB2? Standard = USB 1.1 for certain. I believe that yes,
> you do need to do this with each controller to force the upgraded
> driver. How one identifies these externally is a mystery to me. I have
> 4 controllers and have finally figured out which is which. You might
> have to consult the MB documentation and trace the cables.
>
> USB2 speed is an issue - it has been written on these NGs that of the
> three speeds, only low speed USB2 devices are now available. Mid and
> high speed are yet to come. So it has been written.
>
> For AMD, you might want to check with your vendor/main board
> manufacturer for any separate updates/drivers needed.
>
> Q
>
>

[baz]

>-----Original Message-----
>Thanks Quaoar!.........
>"Quaoar" > wrote in message
...
>> Peter wrote:
>> > USB2 support for XP was enabled in SP1,SP1a. That
being said, there
>> > is
>> > no way that XP itself is going to update USB 1.1 to 2
unless the PCI
>> > to USB Host Controller itself is updated to the use
the new drivers.
>> > The easiest way to do this is to remove the host
controller from
>> > device manager, and let XP redetect them on the next
startup
>> >
>> > I have 5 listings for USB host controller (one for
each port on the
>> > card) i also have an enhanced Host Controller.. Does
it make sense to
>> > remove all of those? guess i would have to(?)
>> > "Quaoar" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> Peter wrote:
>> >>> SP1 is the important part, he's right, BUT, I have
worked my way
>> >>> (mostly unsuccessfully) thru a lot of USB2 info,
both from Microsoft
>> >>> Knowledge Base and various other sources on the Web
and still do not
>> >>> have a satisfactory 'as advertised' performance from
USB2 devices,
>> >>> under XP Home..
>> >>>
>> >>> This is what i have discovered. Most of the
drivers/software that
>> >>> comes with any hardware are routinely 'kicked-out'
by XP in Device
>> >>> Manager.. It appears USB2 is supported by Microsoft
with Microsoft
>> >>> only drivers. So don't bother trying to install
anything that came
>> >>> with any of the USB2 hardware you bought.. This is
as it should be i
>> >>> think; i found over time that XP does a hell of a
lot better if you
>> >>> leave a lot of 3rd party software OFF the system..
>> >>> Creative Soundblaster in particular, comes to
mind..My soundcard
>> >>> works just fine without all the 'bloatware' Creative
thinks i should
>> >>> install.. I have a Compact Flash card
reader/writer that i use for
>> >>> storage and to transfer stuff to other machines.
>> >>> I also use a 'thumb drive' once inna while USB2 also.
>> >>> I have an external USB2 40gig hard drive (in
addition to my IDE
>> >>> internal) i use for storage etc. The enclosure that
holds it and the
>> >>> bridge and cable inside came with USB2 stuff that
simply were not
>> >>> allowed by XP(?)
>> >>>
>> >>> There is ONE common thread that runs thru and with
all of this.....I
>> >>> always get a balloon popup system message that tells
me i have a
>> >>> high speed usb2 device connected to a non-high speed
hub that is
>> >>> not being used (what?) and i should connect my usb2
hardware to one
>> >>> of those empty ports (there are 4 external, 1
internal) So, what i
>> >>> am telling you is the PCI USB2 card that i added and
that all the
>> >>> usb2 stuff is connected to is recognized by XP, but
it does NOT for
>> >>> some reason see that these ports ARE, in fact, in
use.... I simply
>> >>> do not 'get it'!!
>> >>>
>> >>> My PC is not a newer machine either; running AMD
T Bird 1.3 with
>> >>> 768 ram and as i said, although the USB2 stuff
'seems' to run slower
>> >>> than advertised, it is acceptable.. I honestly don't
believe
>> >>> Microsoft has a handle on the USB2 issue at all...If
you should
>> >>> discover anything please let me know, please.
>> >>>
>> >>> "Jim Macklin" > wrote in
message
>> >>> ...
>> >>>> Have you installed SP1?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "BAZ" > wrote in message
>> >>>> ...
>> >>>>> I have a dual boot windows 98 / xp usb is fine in
windows
>> >>>> 98
>> >>>>> but none work in windows xp any ideas thankd BAZ.
>> >>
>> >> USB2 support for XP was enabled in SP1,SP1a. That
being said, there
>> >> is no way that XP itself is going to update USB 1.1
to 2 unless the
>> >> PCI to USB Host Controller itself is updated to the
use the new
>> >> drivers. The easiest way to do this is to remove the
host
>> >> controller from device manager, and let XP redetect
them on the next
>> >> startup.
>> >>
>> >> Q
>>
>> Enhanced = USB2? Standard = USB 1.1 for certain. I
believe that yes,
>> you do need to do this with each controller to force the
upgraded
>> driver. How one identifies these externally is a
mystery to me. I have
>> 4 controllers and have finally figured out which is
which. You might
>> have to consult the MB documentation and trace the cables.
>>
>> USB2 speed is an issue - it has been written on these
NGs that of the
>> three speeds, only low speed USB2 devices are now
available. Mid and
>> high speed are yet to come. So it has been written.
>>
>> For AMD, you might want to check with your vendor/main board
>> manufacturer for any separate updates/drivers needed.
>>
>> Q
>>
>>
>
> I have windows xp with sp1 clean install with a partision
for windows 98 all the usb work fine with windows 98 i need
to reg my copy but canot get on line does the twin boot make
any diffrence !!