Start Menu

[Kimberly Anne Gabriel]

I have done my level best to understand the interplay between the Owner, All
Users and UserMe (by reading Help and newsgroups) and have played around
extensively with my Start Menu to no real avail. I don't consider myself
egregiously stupid but I must be missing something! At this point I am
disturbed to see 2 Start Up folders. One contains the items I want to launch
on Start Up and is in UserMe Documents and Settings. The other is empty and
is in All Users Documents and Setting. Windows declares the latter to be a
system folder and will not let me delete it. I do not recall previously
having two start up folders on the menu. I have tried filling both with the
same things to see if that would tame it. I also tried reversing the
stuffing by putting the items in All Users and deleting them from UserMe.
Nothing seems to work. Can anyone advise me what I am failing to grasp? I am
really more concerned about my failure to tweak this than the double entry
(but, honestly, I HATE the double entry :)). Thanks.

[Ian Clark]

"Kimberly Anne Gabriel" > wrote in message
ble.rogers.com...
Can anyone advise me what I am failing to grasp? I am
> really more concerned about my failure to tweak this than the double entry
> (but, honestly, I HATE the double entry :)). Thanks.
>
>


You're failing to grasp the concept of an NT based operating system.

These are totally based around user accounts. All Users is a default profile
setting within the Operating System.

Any further accounts added then are given their own user profile folder with
a Start Up folder in it. You won't see the All Users start up folder in the
menu as it is not an account.

This is how it works.

If you have for example 5 users on the PC all with their own account and I
put file A.txt in user 1, B.txt in user 2, C.txt in user 3, D.txt in user 4
and E.txt in user 5, then only the relevant user will see his file in Start
up..

However, if I put file F.txt in the \all users\start menu\start up folder.
Then all 5 other users on the system will find that file in their start up
folders.

You don't have to worry about it.. in fact, you may end up with more folders
on there as updates are installed and so on..

[nevermore]

Ian, thank you for the primer. Well put, easy to follow. The only difficulty
I have is that the All Users Start Up Folder is indeed on the menu--that is
the double entry that I am referring to and not the fact that the same item
may exist on the hard drive in two separate folders. I wish I could send a
screen shot but I understand that is considered rude. Trying to verbally
explain is tough but when I click Start and then Programs, the expanded Menu
has 2 Start Up Folders in it. The Start Up above the "line" is the All Users
Start Up Folder. There is a second Start Up Folder below the "line"
containing items in UserMe Start Up folder.

According to your explaination, if I am following you, my Start Up Folder
should be the one displayed (and the only one) albeit it will also contain
items located on the disk at All Users Start Up Folder. In other words, I
understand that the files located in both start up folders will be displayed
in the menu start up folder but why do I have two menu start up folders?
Which now, by the way, after more tweaking, contain totally different items!

Boy, this is a long one. Sorry.
"Ian Clark" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kimberly Anne Gabriel" > wrote in message
> ble.rogers.com...
> Can anyone advise me what I am failing to grasp? I am
> > really more concerned about my failure to tweak this than the double
entry
> > (but, honestly, I HATE the double entry :)). Thanks.
> >
> >
>
>
> You're failing to grasp the concept of an NT based operating system.
>
> These are totally based around user accounts. All Users is a default
profile
> setting within the Operating System.
>
> Any further accounts added then are given their own user profile folder
with
> a Start Up folder in it. You won't see the All Users start up folder in
the
> menu as it is not an account.
>
> This is how it works.
>
> If you have for example 5 users on the PC all with their own account and I
> put file A.txt in user 1, B.txt in user 2, C.txt in user 3, D.txt in user
4
> and E.txt in user 5, then only the relevant user will see his file in
Start
> up..
>
> However, if I put file F.txt in the \all users\start menu\start up folder.
> Then all 5 other users on the system will find that file in their start up
> folders.
>
> You don't have to worry about it.. in fact, you may end up with more
folders
> on there as updates are installed and so on..
>
>

[peter]

When you right click the start button up should come a sub menu at the =
bottom of which is "Explore all users"
click that open and see if it opens the "all user" folder or your name =
folder.
Then look to see if you have a start menu titled "All users startup =
folder" under the start menu folder.
If you do delete it..not the "start menu" folder.
Also this is the area where you can clean up/move/adjust all programs =
that appear on the start menu
My personal folder/start menu is an exact copy of the all users/start =
menu since I am the only user.
peter
"nevermore" > wrote in message =
ble.rogers.com...
| Ian, thank you for the primer. Well put, easy to follow. The only =
difficulty
| I have is that the All Users Start Up Folder is indeed on the =
menu--that is
| the double entry that I am referring to and not the fact that the same =
item
| may exist on the hard drive in two separate folders. I wish I could =
send a
| screen shot but I understand that is considered rude. Trying to =
verbally
| explain is tough but when I click Start and then Programs, the =
expanded Menu
| has 2 Start Up Folders in it. The Start Up above the "line" is the All =
Users
| Start Up Folder. There is a second Start Up Folder below the "line"
| containing items in UserMe Start Up folder.
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| According to your explaination, if I am following you, my Start Up =
Folder
| should be the one displayed (and the only one) albeit it will also =
contain
| items located on the disk at All Users Start Up Folder. In other =
words, I
| understand that the files located in both start up folders will be =
displayed
| in the menu start up folder but why do I have two menu start up =
folders?
| Which now, by the way, after more tweaking, contain totally different =
items!
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| Boy, this is a long one. Sorry.
| "Ian Clark" > wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Kimberly Anne Gabriel" > wrote in message
| > ble.rogers.com...
| > Can anyone advise me what I am failing to grasp? I am
| > > really more concerned about my failure to tweak this than the =
double
| entry
| > > (but, honestly, I HATE the double entry :)). Thanks.
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
| > You're failing to grasp the concept of an NT based operating system.
| >
| > These are totally based around user accounts. All Users is a default
| profile
| > setting within the Operating System.
| >
| > Any further accounts added then are given their own user profile =
folder
| with
| > a Start Up folder in it. You won't see the All Users start up folder =
in
| the
| > menu as it is not an account.
| >
| > This is how it works.
| >
| > If you have for example 5 users on the PC all with their own account =
and I
| > put file A.txt in user 1, B.txt in user 2, C.txt in user 3, D.txt in =
user
| 4
| > and E.txt in user 5, then only the relevant user will see his file =
in
| Start
| > up..
| >
| > However, if I put file F.txt in the \all users\start menu\start up =
folder.
| > Then all 5 other users on the system will find that file in their =
start up
| > folders.
| >
| > You don't have to worry about it.. in fact, you may end up with more
| folders
| > on there as updates are installed and so on..
| >
| >
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[nevermore]

Thank you Peter. I do have such a folder but as mentioned in my first post,
windows will not allow me to delete it.
"peter" > wrote in message
...
When you right click the start button up should come a sub menu at the
bottom of which is "Explore all users"
click that open and see if it opens the "all user" folder or your name
folder.
Then look to see if you have a start menu titled "All users startup folder"
under the start menu folder.
If you do delete it..not the "start menu" folder.
Also this is the area where you can clean up/move/adjust all programs that
appear on the start menu
My personal folder/start menu is an exact copy of the all users/start menu
since I am the only user.
peter
"nevermore" > wrote in message
ble.rogers.com...
| Ian, thank you for the primer. Well put, easy to follow. The only
difficulty
| I have is that the All Users Start Up Folder is indeed on the menu--that
is
| the double entry that I am referring to and not the fact that the same
item
| may exist on the hard drive in two separate folders. I wish I could send a
| screen shot but I understand that is considered rude. Trying to verbally
| explain is tough but when I click Start and then Programs, the expanded
Menu
| has 2 Start Up Folders in it. The Start Up above the "line" is the All
Users
| Start Up Folder. There is a second Start Up Folder below the "line"
| containing items in UserMe Start Up folder.
|
| According to your explaination, if I am following you, my Start Up Folder
| should be the one displayed (and the only one) albeit it will also contain
| items located on the disk at All Users Start Up Folder. In other words, I
| understand that the files located in both start up folders will be
displayed
| in the menu start up folder but why do I have two menu start up folders?
| Which now, by the way, after more tweaking, contain totally different
items!
|
| Boy, this is a long one. Sorry.
| "Ian Clark" > wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Kimberly Anne Gabriel" > wrote in message
| > ble.rogers.com...
| > Can anyone advise me what I am failing to grasp? I am
| > > really more concerned about my failure to tweak this than the double
| entry
| > > (but, honestly, I HATE the double entry :)). Thanks.
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
| > You're failing to grasp the concept of an NT based operating system.
| >
| > These are totally based around user accounts. All Users is a default
| profile
| > setting within the Operating System.
| >
| > Any further accounts added then are given their own user profile folder
| with
| > a Start Up folder in it. You won't see the All Users start up folder in
| the
| > menu as it is not an account.
| >
| > This is how it works.
| >
| > If you have for example 5 users on the PC all with their own account and
I
| > put file A.txt in user 1, B.txt in user 2, C.txt in user 3, D.txt in
user
| 4
| > and E.txt in user 5, then only the relevant user will see his file in
| Start
| > up..
| >
| > However, if I put file F.txt in the \all users\start menu\start up
folder.
| > Then all 5 other users on the system will find that file in their start
up
| > folders.
| >
| > You don't have to worry about it.. in fact, you may end up with more
| folders
| > on there as updates are installed and so on..
| >
| >
|
|


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[peter]

you cannot delete "start menu" but you should be able to delete sub =
menus under "start menu"no???
peter
"nevermore" > wrote in message =
ble.rogers.com...
| Thank you Peter. I do have such a folder but as mentioned in my first =
post,
| windows will not allow me to delete it.
| "peter" > wrote in message
| ...
| When you right click the start button up should come a sub menu at the
| bottom of which is "Explore all users"
| click that open and see if it opens the "all user" folder or your name
| folder.
| Then look to see if you have a start menu titled "All users startup =
folder"
| under the start menu folder.
| If you do delete it..not the "start menu" folder.
| Also this is the area where you can clean up/move/adjust all programs =
that
| appear on the start menu
| My personal folder/start menu is an exact copy of the all users/start =
menu
| since I am the only user.
| peter
| "nevermore" > wrote in message
| ble.rogers.com...
| | Ian, thank you for the primer. Well put, easy to follow. The only
| difficulty
| | I have is that the All Users Start Up Folder is indeed on the =
menu--that
| is
| | the double entry that I am referring to and not the fact that the =
same
| item
| | may exist on the hard drive in two separate folders. I wish I could =
send a
| | screen shot but I understand that is considered rude. Trying to =
verbally
| | explain is tough but when I click Start and then Programs, the =
expanded
| Menu
| | has 2 Start Up Folders in it. The Start Up above the "line" is the =
All
| Users
| | Start Up Folder. There is a second Start Up Folder below the "line"
| | containing items in UserMe Start Up folder.
| |
| | According to your explaination, if I am following you, my Start Up =
Folder
| | should be the one displayed (and the only one) albeit it will also =
contain
| | items located on the disk at All Users Start Up Folder. In other =
words, I
| | understand that the files located in both start up folders will be
| displayed
| | in the menu start up folder but why do I have two menu start up =
folders?
| | Which now, by the way, after more tweaking, contain totally =
different
| items!
| |
| | Boy, this is a long one. Sorry.
| | "Ian Clark" > wrote in message
| | ...
| | >
| | > "Kimberly Anne Gabriel" > wrote in message
| | > =
ble.rogers.com...
| | > Can anyone advise me what I am failing to grasp? I am
| | > > really more concerned about my failure to tweak this than the =
double
| | entry
| | > > (but, honestly, I HATE the double entry :)). Thanks.
| | > >
| | > >
| | >
| | >
| | > You're failing to grasp the concept of an NT based operating =
system.
| | >
| | > These are totally based around user accounts. All Users is a =
default
| | profile
| | > setting within the Operating System.
| | >
| | > Any further accounts added then are given their own user profile =
folder
| | with
| | > a Start Up folder in it. You won't see the All Users start up =
folder in
| | the
| | > menu as it is not an account.
| | >
| | > This is how it works.
| | >
| | > If you have for example 5 users on the PC all with their own =
account and
| I
| | > put file A.txt in user 1, B.txt in user 2, C.txt in user 3, D.txt =
in
| user
| | 4
| | > and E.txt in user 5, then only the relevant user will see his file =
in
| | Start
| | > up..
| | >
| | > However, if I put file F.txt in the \all users\start menu\start up
| folder.
| | > Then all 5 other users on the system will find that file in their =
start
| up
| | > folders.
| | >
| | > You don't have to worry about it.. in fact, you may end up with =
more
| | folders
| | > on there as updates are installed and so on..
| | >
| | >
| |
| |
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[JimC]

"Ian Clark" > wrote in message
...
>
> You're failing to grasp the concept of an NT based
operating system.
>

I believe it would be more correct to say You are failing to
grasp the User's problems and frustrations. The User simply
wants to tame an O/S that won't behave as desired.

Your explanation of an "NT based operating system" would
have the O/S dictating how the User behaves and not vice
versa. Whatever you mean by "NT based" must certainly refer
to rather dated O/S architecture. Modern operating systems
provide a user interface whereby the User dictates how the
O/S behaves with respect to the issues that are bedeviling
the original poster.

[nevermore]

Peter, I can delete items under the Start Up Folder. I simply cannot delete
the Start Menu Folder itself. And thus I have two Start Up Folders on the
All Programs listing in the Start Menu. There is no doubt that this is do to
my attempts at tweaking but untweak I cannot! Even did a Documents and
Settings Restore from Drive Image to no avail. So, yes, I have failed to
grasp 1) the system and 2) that I should stop tweaking my system like a
hammerthrower and try a little more subtlety! On the other hand, as Jim
notes, it is disheartening that such a "simple" thing as wanting to remove
an extraneous folder or to reset the Start Menu should prove all but
impossible. I think I am stuck with it until the next time I have to
reformat (which, with my hammerthrower approach tends to be more rather than
less frequently--hence, Drive Image!)
"JimC" > wrote in message
...
> "Ian Clark" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > You're failing to grasp the concept of an NT based
> operating system.
> >
>
> I believe it would be more correct to say You are failing to
> grasp the User's problems and frustrations. The User simply
> wants to tame an O/S that won't behave as desired.
>
> Your explanation of an "NT based operating system" would
> have the O/S dictating how the User behaves and not vice
> versa. Whatever you mean by "NT based" must certainly refer
> to rather dated O/S architecture. Modern operating systems
> provide a user interface whereby the User dictates how the
> O/S behaves with respect to the issues that are bedeviling
> the original poster.
>
>

[Chuck]

Check to see if the one you want to delete has the "Read Only" attribute
set.

"nevermore" > wrote in message
le.rogers.com...
> Peter, I can delete items under the Start Up Folder. I simply cannot
delete
> the Start Menu Folder itself. And thus I have two Start Up Folders on the
> All Programs listing in the Start Menu. There is no doubt that this is do
to
> my attempts at tweaking but untweak I cannot! Even did a Documents and
> Settings Restore from Drive Image to no avail. So, yes, I have failed to
> grasp 1) the system and 2) that I should stop tweaking my system like a
> hammerthrower and try a little more subtlety! On the other hand, as Jim
> notes, it is disheartening that such a "simple" thing as wanting to remove
> an extraneous folder or to reset the Start Menu should prove all but
> impossible. I think I am stuck with it until the next time I have to
> reformat (which, with my hammerthrower approach tends to be more rather
than
> less frequently--hence, Drive Image!)
> "JimC" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Ian Clark" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > You're failing to grasp the concept of an NT based
> > operating system.
> > >
> >
> > I believe it would be more correct to say You are failing to
> > grasp the User's problems and frustrations. The User simply
> > wants to tame an O/S that won't behave as desired.
> >
> > Your explanation of an "NT based operating system" would
> > have the O/S dictating how the User behaves and not vice
> > versa. Whatever you mean by "NT based" must certainly refer
> > to rather dated O/S architecture. Modern operating systems
> > provide a user interface whereby the User dictates how the
> > O/S behaves with respect to the issues that are bedeviling
> > the original poster.
> >
> >
>
>

[nevermore]

Yes it does. But even unchecked, still cannot delete as it is deemed a
system folder.
"Chuck" > wrote in message
...
> Check to see if the one you want to delete has the "Read Only" attribute
> set.
>
> "nevermore" > wrote in message
> le.rogers.com...
> > Peter, I can delete items under the Start Up Folder. I simply cannot
> delete
> > the Start Menu Folder itself. And thus I have two Start Up Folders on
the
> > All Programs listing in the Start Menu. There is no doubt that this is
do
> to
> > my attempts at tweaking but untweak I cannot! Even did a Documents and
> > Settings Restore from Drive Image to no avail. So, yes, I have failed to
> > grasp 1) the system and 2) that I should stop tweaking my system like a
> > hammerthrower and try a little more subtlety! On the other hand, as Jim
> > notes, it is disheartening that such a "simple" thing as wanting to
remove
> > an extraneous folder or to reset the Start Menu should prove all but
> > impossible. I think I am stuck with it until the next time I have to
> > reformat (which, with my hammerthrower approach tends to be more rather
> than
> > less frequently--hence, Drive Image!)
> > "JimC" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > "Ian Clark" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > You're failing to grasp the concept of an NT based
> > > operating system.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I believe it would be more correct to say You are failing to
> > > grasp the User's problems and frustrations. The User simply
> > > wants to tame an O/S that won't behave as desired.
> > >
> > > Your explanation of an "NT based operating system" would
> > > have the O/S dictating how the User behaves and not vice
> > > versa. Whatever you mean by "NT based" must certainly refer
> > > to rather dated O/S architecture. Modern operating systems
> > > provide a user interface whereby the User dictates how the
> > > O/S behaves with respect to the issues that are bedeviling
> > > the original poster.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[peter]

ITs a little hard to grasp...I can remove folders under the start =
menu..you cant??
let me think about it because I seem to remember a way to get rid of =
these item that appear at the top of the start menu...I just dont =
remember how!!!
peter
"nevermore" > wrote in message =
le.rogers.com...
| Peter, I can delete items under the Start Up Folder. I simply cannot =
delete
| the Start Menu Folder itself. And thus I have two Start Up Folders on =
the
| All Programs listing in the Start Menu. There is no doubt that this is =
do to
| my attempts at tweaking but untweak I cannot! Even did a Documents and
| Settings Restore from Drive Image to no avail. So, yes, I have failed =
to
| grasp 1) the system and 2) that I should stop tweaking my system like =
a
| hammerthrower and try a little more subtlety! On the other hand, as =
Jim
| notes, it is disheartening that such a "simple" thing as wanting to =
remove
| an extraneous folder or to reset the Start Menu should prove all but
| impossible. I think I am stuck with it until the next time I have to
| reformat (which, with my hammerthrower approach tends to be more =
rather than
| less frequently--hence, Drive Image!)
| "JimC" > wrote in message
| ...
| > "Ian Clark" > wrote in message
| > ...
| > >
| > > You're failing to grasp the concept of an NT based
| > operating system.
| > >
| >
| > I believe it would be more correct to say You are failing to
| > grasp the User's problems and frustrations. The User simply
| > wants to tame an O/S that won't behave as desired.
| >
| > Your explanation of an "NT based operating system" would
| > have the O/S dictating how the User behaves and not vice
| > versa. Whatever you mean by "NT based" must certainly refer
| > to rather dated O/S architecture. Modern operating systems
| > provide a user interface whereby the User dictates how the
| > O/S behaves with respect to the issues that are bedeviling
| > the original poster.
| >
| >
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[Kimberly Anne Gabriel]

Okay, figured it out. Happy to report I am single again. After resorting to
numerous tweaks including a complete drive image restore which did not fix
the double "Start up" Folder problem, figured out that my Start Up Folder
was on its own underneath My settings and not a subdirectory of Programs
where it should be neatly tucked in. Dragging it into programs removed the
double entry. Whew! Certainly learned something! My heartfelt gratitude for
all who tried to help.