Re: Disable Windows Product Activation (WPA)

[David Candy]

Defeats the purpose of it, doesn't it?

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[Kelly]

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"David Candy" > wrote in message
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Defeats the purpose of it, doesn't it?

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> component?
>
> thanks
> richie

[kurttrail]

David Candy wrote:

> Defeats the purpose of it, doesn't it?
>

Defeats MS's purpose of stripping individuals of their "fair use" rights.

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Uninstall windows first ;)



"Richard Arogiam" > wrote in message
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> hi friends, my customer asked if there is a way to disable the windows
reactivation prompt whenever he changes motherboard or other relevant
component?
>
> thanks
> richie

[kurttrail]

Richard Arogiam wrote:

> hi friends, my customer asked if there is a way to disable the
> windows reactivation prompt whenever he changes motherboard or other
> relevant component?
>
> thanks
> richie

Yes, there is a way, but you will have to find the corporate conversion
filesand the xp keygen. There are cracks out there too but MS updates have
away of disabling them.

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[Kenny]

install linux

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[kurttrail]

Kenny wrote:

> install linux

And the user that can't figure how to disable PA on their own, wouldn't
be able to do much with Linux.

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[Alex Nichol]

Richard Arogiam wrote:

>hi friends, my customer asked if there is a way to disable the windows reactivation prompt whenever he changes motherboard or other relevant component?

No. If there were one, we wouldn't be telling you anyway

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[Brian C]

Yes their is. Can't say it here.

[Joh N.]

kurttrail, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to use,
wrote:

> Kenny wrote:
>
>> install linux
>
> And the user that can't figure how to disable PA on their own, wouldn't
> be able to do much with Linux.

Yeah, they would. First, they wouldn't have to worry about WPA *at all*.
Second, most of the bigger name distros are as easy to use for the past 3 or 4
years now, as any M$ OS is now. If my 62 year old mom can use it, a friend who
is not very literate (6th grade education), and I (who literally one day bought
SuSE 7.3 four and a half years ago and just installed it and ran it because I
finally got so sick of the M$ crap), can use it, pretty near anyone can I'd
say.

Joh N.
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[David Candy]

But users who use the unix copy don't seem able to use Windows.

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> > install linux
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> be able to do much with Linux.
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[Joh N.]

Alex Nichol, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to use,
wrote:

> Richard Arogiam wrote:
>
>>hi friends, my customer asked if there is a way to disable the windows
>>reactivation prompt whenever he changes motherboard or other relevant
>>component?
>
> No. If there were one, we wouldn't be telling you anyway

Speak for yourself.

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[kurttrail]

Joh N. wrote:

> kurttrail, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen
> to use, wrote:
>
>> Kenny wrote:
>>
>>> install linux
>>
>> And the user that can't figure how to disable PA on their own,
>> wouldn't be able to do much with Linux.
>
> Yeah, they would. First, they wouldn't have to worry about WPA *at
> all*. Second, most of the bigger name distros are as easy to use for
> the past 3 or 4 years now, as any M$ OS is now. If my 62 year old mom
> can use it, a friend who is not very literate (6th grade education),
> and I (who literally one day bought SuSE 7.3 four and a half years
> ago and just installed it and ran it because I finally got so sick of
> the M$ crap), can use it, pretty near anyone can I'd say.
>
> Joh N.

The average user couldn't recompile the kernel with a gun to their kid's
head, and as long as that is a part of Linux, it ain't ready for the average
user.

This won't always be the case. Linux is definitely maturing, but I happen
to agree with Linus that the Linux desktop is still a few years away.

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[Brian C]

Kurt, that not the problem. Suse is easy to learn.
However, It the hardware like modems and printers that won't work
with linux.




>On Tue, 25 May 2004 06:43:56 -0400, "kurttrail" > wrote:

>Joh N. wrote:
>
>> kurttrail, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen
>> to use, wrote:
>>
>>> Kenny wrote:
>>>
>>>> install linux
>>>
>>> And the user that can't figure how to disable PA on their own,
>>> wouldn't be able to do much with Linux.
>>
>> Yeah, they would. First, they wouldn't have to worry about WPA *at
>> all*. Second, most of the bigger name distros are as easy to use for
>> the past 3 or 4 years now, as any M$ OS is now. If my 62 year old mom
>> can use it, a friend who is not very literate (6th grade education),
>> and I (who literally one day bought SuSE 7.3 four and a half years
>> ago and just installed it and ran it because I finally got so sick of
>> the M$ crap), can use it, pretty near anyone can I'd say.
>>
>> Joh N.
>
>The average user couldn't recompile the kernel with a gun to their kid's
>head, and as long as that is a part of Linux, it ain't ready for the average
>user.
>
>This won't always be the case. Linux is definitely maturing, but I happen
>to agree with Linus that the Linux desktop is still a few years away.

[kurttrail]

David Candy wrote:

> But users who use the unix copy don't seem able to use Windows.
>

I wouldn't doubt that for one second.

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[Steve Nielsen]

Brian C wrote:
> Kurt, that not the problem. Suse is easy to learn.
> However, It the hardware like modems and printers that won't work
> with linux.

The only modems that don't work with Linux are Winmodems (most PCI
"modems" which are not real modems at all but telephone interfaces to
the processor) and the only reason they don't work is because companies
like Lucent won't release the firmware code so someone can make a driver
that actually works.

Current distros of Linux support nearly all legacy and most new
hardware, including most printers, but if you're talking about those
all-in-one pieces of cr@p it's probably a good thing they don't work :)

The deal is, as it is with ANY operating system, is to use compatible
hardware.

Steve

>
>
>
>
>
>>On Tue, 25 May 2004 06:43:56 -0400, "kurttrail" > wrote:
>
>
>>Joh N. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>kurttrail, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen
>>>to use, wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Kenny wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>install linux
>>>>
>>>>And the user that can't figure how to disable PA on their own,
>>>>wouldn't be able to do much with Linux.
>>>
>>> Yeah, they would. First, they wouldn't have to worry about WPA *at
>>>all*. Second, most of the bigger name distros are as easy to use for
>>>the past 3 or 4 years now, as any M$ OS is now. If my 62 year old mom
>>>can use it, a friend who is not very literate (6th grade education),
>>>and I (who literally one day bought SuSE 7.3 four and a half years
>>>ago and just installed it and ran it because I finally got so sick of
>>>the M$ crap), can use it, pretty near anyone can I'd say.
>>>
>>> Joh N.
>>
>>The average user couldn't recompile the kernel with a gun to their kid's
>>head, and as long as that is a part of Linux, it ain't ready for the average
>>user.
>>
>>This won't always be the case. Linux is definitely maturing, but I happen
>>to agree with Linus that the Linux desktop is still a few years away.
>
>

[Steve Nielsen]

kurttrail wrote:

> Joh N. wrote:
>
>
>>kurttrail, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen
>>to use, wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Kenny wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>install linux
>>>
>>>And the user that can't figure how to disable PA on their own,
>>>wouldn't be able to do much with Linux.
>>
>> Yeah, they would. First, they wouldn't have to worry about WPA *at
>>all*. Second, most of the bigger name distros are as easy to use for
>>the past 3 or 4 years now, as any M$ OS is now. If my 62 year old mom
>>can use it, a friend who is not very literate (6th grade education),
>>and I (who literally one day bought SuSE 7.3 four and a half years
>>ago and just installed it and ran it because I finally got so sick of
>>the M$ crap), can use it, pretty near anyone can I'd say.
>>
>> Joh N.
>
>
> The average user couldn't recompile the kernel with a gun to their kid's
> head, and as long as that is a part of Linux, it ain't ready for the average
> user.
>

Since the advent of modular support compiling the kernel is rarely
necessary anymore, if at all. Besides, it's not that difficult for
someone who can read and follow instructions. Oh wait! You said "average
user"! Yeah, yerrite. The "average user" has no business being within 15
feet of a computer anyway :)

> This won't always be the case. Linux is definitely maturing, but I happen
> to agree with Linus that the Linux desktop is still a few years away.
>

Yep. But it is usable, just not as stable as we'd like it to be, but
then, niether is Windows Explorer.

Steve

[hermes]

Before the MVP (M$ Victim Poster) Hermes responded, kurttrail typed:
> Joh N. wrote:
>
>> kurttrail, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen
>> to use, wrote:
>>
>>> Kenny wrote:
>>>
>>>> install linux
>>>
>>> And the user that can't figure how to disable PA on their own,
>>> wouldn't be able to do much with Linux.
>>
>> Yeah, they would. First, they wouldn't have to worry about WPA *at
>> all*. Second, most of the bigger name distros are as easy to use for
>> the past 3 or 4 years now, as any M$ OS is now. If my 62 year old mom
>> can use it, a friend who is not very literate (6th grade education),
>> and I (who literally one day bought SuSE 7.3 four and a half years
>> ago and just installed it and ran it because I finally got so sick of
>> the M$ crap), can use it, pretty near anyone can I'd say.
>>
>> Joh N.
>
> The average user couldn't recompile the kernel with a gun to their
> kid's head, and as long as that is a part of Linux, it ain't ready
> for the average user.
>
> This won't always be the case. Linux is definitely maturing, but I
> happen to agree with Linus that the Linux desktop is still a few
> years away.

Is it necessary to recompile the kernel on most modern linux distros these
days? I've been able to use my linux machines no problem without doing so.
If it is needed, I have not done so on mine, and mabey I should be, LOL.
Well, I better research this one a bit. I'm still making the transfer from
Winblow$ to linux, so I'm still learning. :)

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[XS11E]

Steve Nielsen > wrote in
:

> Current distros of Linux support nearly all legacy and most new
> hardware, including most printers, but if you're talking about
> those all-in-one pieces of cr@p it's probably a good thing they
> don't work :)
>
> The deal is, as it is with ANY operating system, is to use
> compatible hardware.

First, let me say I hate Linux, it sux! Second, me, world's number one
Linux hater, downloaded the ISOs for Mandrake 10 64bit edition, RC1.

It installed effortlessly (well, OK, I had to tell it what time zone I
was in). It recognized ALL my hardware with two exceptions, one was my
Canon S900 USB Photo Printer which I had to install manually by fibbing
to Mandrake and saying it was a Canon S800, the other was my scanner
which I had to, like the printer, select a compatible device.
Everything works, all is perfection and it's easy enough for me to run
so that means anyone can.

Meanwhile, MS is still months away with a 64bit version of XP...

I'm eagerly awaiting the XP 64-bit edition that isn't a non-functional
beta, in the meantime, I'm learning Linux (which I still hate!). IF I
learn to be comfortable with Linux before the XP 64-bit comes out, I'll
probably stay with Linux.

[kurttrail]

hermes wrote:

> Before the MVP (M$ Victim Poster) Hermes responded, kurttrail typed:
>> Joh N. wrote:
>>
>>> kurttrail, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the
>>> pen to use, wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kenny wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> install linux
>>>>
>>>> And the user that can't figure how to disable PA on their own,
>>>> wouldn't be able to do much with Linux.
>>>
>>> Yeah, they would. First, they wouldn't have to worry about WPA *at
>>> all*. Second, most of the bigger name distros are as easy to use for
>>> the past 3 or 4 years now, as any M$ OS is now. If my 62 year old
>>> mom can use it, a friend who is not very literate (6th grade
>>> education), and I (who literally one day bought SuSE 7.3 four and a
>>> half years
>>> ago and just installed it and ran it because I finally got so sick
>>> of the M$ crap), can use it, pretty near anyone can I'd say.
>>>
>>> Joh N.
>>
>> The average user couldn't recompile the kernel with a gun to their
>> kid's head, and as long as that is a part of Linux, it ain't ready
>> for the average user.
>>
>> This won't always be the case. Linux is definitely maturing, but I
>> happen to agree with Linus that the Linux desktop is still a few
>> years away.
>
> Is it necessary to recompile the kernel on most modern linux distros
> these days? I've been able to use my linux machines no problem
> without doing so. If it is needed, I have not done so on mine, and
> mabey I should be, LOL. Well, I better research this one a bit. I'm
> still making the transfer from Winblow$ to linux, so I'm still
> learning. :)

OK everybody. I'm talking about my personal experience with Linux and
MY computer. To any distro to install I have to disable my RAID. There
goes 2/3 of my hardrive space. Forget about digital sound! My ATI AIW
works like it's 1995, and forget about the AIW.

I'm the computer moron I talking about.

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[Steve Nielsen]

kurttrail wrote:
> hermes wrote:
>
>
>>Before the MVP (M$ Victim Poster) Hermes responded, kurttrail typed:
>>
>>>Joh N. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>kurttrail, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the
>>>>pen to use, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Kenny wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>install linux
>>>>>
>>>>>And the user that can't figure how to disable PA on their own,
>>>>>wouldn't be able to do much with Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, they would. First, they wouldn't have to worry about WPA *at
>>>>all*. Second, most of the bigger name distros are as easy to use for
>>>>the past 3 or 4 years now, as any M$ OS is now. If my 62 year old
>>>>mom can use it, a friend who is not very literate (6th grade
>>>>education), and I (who literally one day bought SuSE 7.3 four and a
>>>>half years
>>>>ago and just installed it and ran it because I finally got so sick
>>>>of the M$ crap), can use it, pretty near anyone can I'd say.
>>>>
>>>> Joh N.
>>>
>>>The average user couldn't recompile the kernel with a gun to their
>>>kid's head, and as long as that is a part of Linux, it ain't ready
>>>for the average user.
>>>
>>>This won't always be the case. Linux is definitely maturing, but I
>>>happen to agree with Linus that the Linux desktop is still a few
>>>years away.
>>
>>Is it necessary to recompile the kernel on most modern linux distros
>>these days? I've been able to use my linux machines no problem
>>without doing so. If it is needed, I have not done so on mine, and
>>mabey I should be, LOL. Well, I better research this one a bit. I'm
>>still making the transfer from Winblow$ to linux, so I'm still
>>learning. :)
>
>
> OK everybody. I'm talking about my personal experience with Linux and
> MY computer. To any distro to install I have to disable my RAID. There
> goes 2/3 of my hardrive space. Forget about digital sound! My ATI AIW
> works like it's 1995, and forget about the AIW.
>
> I'm the computer moron I talking about.
>

Have you looked up Linux hardware compatibility for what you've got in
the box?

Steve

[Tim Slattery]

XS11E > wrote:

>Meanwhile, MS is still months away with a 64bit version of XP...

Depends on your hardware. There is a 64-bit version for Intel Itanium,
it's existed for quite a while now. The 64-bit version for AMD Opteron
is still in beta.

--
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MS MVP(DTS)

[Joh N.]

kurttrail, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to use,
wrote:

> Joh N. wrote:
>
>> kurttrail, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen
>> to use, wrote:
>>
>>> Kenny wrote:
>>>
>>>> install linux
>>>
>>> And the user that can't figure how to disable PA on their own,
>>> wouldn't be able to do much with Linux.
>>
>> Yeah, they would. First, they wouldn't have to worry about WPA *at
>> all*. Second, most of the bigger name distros are as easy to use for
>> the past 3 or 4 years now, as any M$ OS is now. If my 62 year old mom
>> can use it, a friend who is not very literate (6th grade education),
>> and I (who literally one day bought SuSE 7.3 four and a half years
>> ago and just installed it and ran it because I finally got so sick of
>> the M$ crap), can use it, pretty near anyone can I'd say.
>>
>> Joh N.
>
> The average user couldn't recompile the kernel with a gun to their kid's
> head, and as long as that is a part of Linux, it ain't ready for the average
> user.
>
> This won't always be the case. Linux is definitely maturing, but I happen
> to agree with Linus that the Linux desktop is still a few years away.

Good grief! Who said anything about recompiling kernels? The only folk who do
that are the ones who *want* to do that. It's never necessary to do such a
thing with most of the big name distros because they have rpm's that just
install. You're making it far harder than it really is.
In the time I've been using Linux, I tried to recompile a kernel *once*, just
to try it and see what it was all about. I agree, it's not easy, buit it wasn't
nearly as hard as I thought it would be either, mostly just time consuming by
turning on/off the things you'd think you may need or not, but I was just doing
it to see. I've only had to replace the kernel twice in four and a half years
and all I did was download it from the ftp site and click on it once to install
it...not hard at all, just like a windows .exe and one of the rare times one
actually has to reboot the system.
To put it another way...the average windows user couldn't piddle in the
registry if a gun was held to their kids head either, and have to have people
who know about that kind of thing tell them what to do, whereas if one really
*wants* to recompile a kernel (and usually the only reason to do so is to stay
on the bleeding edge), it's still a *lot* more simple to do than opening up
regedit and guessing what the hell (for example)
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Servic es\Class\NetTrans\0001\Ndi]
does or is. Even worse, see if the average user can figure out what one of the
registry entries is/does that has some 40 character long entry with only a mix
of numbers and letters in some random seeming order (to them).
You're thinking as if Linux is still something like UNIX...all cli and
recompiling the kernel constantly and it just isn't so.

Joh N.
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[XS11E]

Tim Slattery > wrote in
:

> XS11E > wrote:
>
>>Meanwhile, MS is still months away with a 64bit version of XP...
>
> Depends on your hardware. There is a 64-bit version for Intel
> Itanium, it's existed for quite a while now. The 64-bit version
> for AMD Opteron is still in beta.

It's the AMD Athlon 64 that will be the most common of the 64 bit
chips, along with the Intel version if they can ever make theirs
work... AFAIK, the other chips aren't compatible with 32 bit software,
the Athlon 64 (which I'm using to run this 32 bit version of XP) and
the Intel chip (when it arrives) will be able to run 32 bit software
and I believe that will be the selling point. Already HP and Compaq,
Dell and Gateway have reasonably priced systems available using the
Athlon 64.

Any version of XP that will reach a wide market will be for the Athlon
64 and the Intel version.

[David Candy]

It is random.

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"Joh N." > wrote in message =
...
> kurttrail, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen =
to use,
> wrote:
>=20
> > Joh N. wrote:
> >=20
> >> kurttrail, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the =
pen
> >> to use, wrote:
> >>
> >>> Kenny wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> install linux
> >>>
> >>> And the user that can't figure how to disable PA on their own,
> >>> wouldn't be able to do much with Linux.
> >>
> >> Yeah, they would. First, they wouldn't have to worry about WPA =
*at
> >> all*. Second, most of the bigger name distros are as easy to use =
for
> >> the past 3 or 4 years now, as any M$ OS is now. If my 62 year old =
mom
> >> can use it, a friend who is not very literate (6th grade =
education),
> >> and I (who literally one day bought SuSE 7.3 four and a half years
> >> ago and just installed it and ran it because I finally got so sick =
of
> >> the M$ crap), can use it, pretty near anyone can I'd say.
> >>
> >> Joh N.
> >=20
> > The average user couldn't recompile the kernel with a gun to their =
kid's
> > head, and as long as that is a part of Linux, it ain't ready for the =
average
> > user.
> >=20
> > This won't always be the case. Linux is definitely maturing, but I =
happen
> > to agree with Linus that the Linux desktop is still a few years =
away.
>=20
> Good grief! Who said anything about recompiling kernels? The only =
folk who do
> that are the ones who *want* to do that. It's never necessary to do =
such a
> thing with most of the big name distros because they have rpm's that =
just
> install. You're making it far harder than it really is.
> In the time I've been using Linux, I tried to recompile a kernel =
*once*, just
> to try it and see what it was all about. I agree, it's not easy, buit =
it wasn't
> nearly as hard as I thought it would be either, mostly just time =
consuming by
> turning on/off the things you'd think you may need or not, but I was =
just doing
> it to see. I've only had to replace the kernel twice in four and a =
half years
> and all I did was download it from the ftp site and click on it once =
to install
> it...not hard at all, just like a windows .exe and one of the rare =
times one
> actually has to reboot the system.
> To put it another way...the average windows user couldn't piddle in =
the
> registry if a gun was held to their kids head either, and have to have =
people
> who know about that kind of thing tell them what to do, whereas if one =
really
> *wants* to recompile a kernel (and usually the only reason to do so is =
to stay
> on the bleeding edge), it's still a *lot* more simple to do than =
opening up
> regedit and guessing what the hell (for example)
> =
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Servic es\Class\NetTrans\0001=
\Ndi]
> does or is. Even worse, see if the average user can figure out what =
one of the
> registry entries is/does that has some 40 character long entry with =
only a mix
> of numbers and letters in some random seeming order (to them).
> You're thinking as if Linux is still something like UNIX...all cli =
and
> recompiling the kernel constantly and it just isn't so.
>=20
> Joh N.
> --=20
> Linux 2.4.20-4GB-athlon
> 3:05pm up 8 days 10:22, 2 users, load average: 1.13, 1.11, 1.05
>

[kurttrail]

Steve Nielsen wrote:

> kurttrail wrote:
>> hermes wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Before the MVP (M$ Victim Poster) Hermes responded, kurttrail typed:
>>>
>>>> Joh N. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> kurttrail, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the
>>>>> pen to use, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Kenny wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> install linux
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And the user that can't figure how to disable PA on their own,
>>>>>> wouldn't be able to do much with Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, they would. First, they wouldn't have to worry about WPA
>>>>> *at all*. Second, most of the bigger name distros are as easy to
>>>>> use for the past 3 or 4 years now, as any M$ OS is now. If my 62
>>>>> year old mom can use it, a friend who is not very literate (6th
>>>>> grade education), and I (who literally one day bought SuSE 7.3
>>>>> four and a half years
>>>>> ago and just installed it and ran it because I finally got so sick
>>>>> of the M$ crap), can use it, pretty near anyone can I'd say.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joh N.
>>>>
>>>> The average user couldn't recompile the kernel with a gun to their
>>>> kid's head, and as long as that is a part of Linux, it ain't ready
>>>> for the average user.
>>>>
>>>> This won't always be the case. Linux is definitely maturing, but I
>>>> happen to agree with Linus that the Linux desktop is still a few
>>>> years away.
>>>
>>> Is it necessary to recompile the kernel on most modern linux distros
>>> these days? I've been able to use my linux machines no problem
>>> without doing so. If it is needed, I have not done so on mine, and
>>> mabey I should be, LOL. Well, I better research this one a bit. I'm
>>> still making the transfer from Winblow$ to linux, so I'm still
>>> learning. :)
>>
>>
>> OK everybody. I'm talking about my personal experience with Linux
>> and MY computer. To any distro to install I have to disable my
>> RAID. There goes 2/3 of my hardrive space. Forget about digital
>> sound! My ATI AIW works like it's 1995, and forget about the AIW.
>>
>> I'm the computer moron I talking about.
>>
>
> Have you looked up Linux hardware compatibility for what you've got in
> the box?
>
> Steve

My personal box is hopeless. To even use my RAID as just a plain old IDE
controller, I have to install a different BIOS [so there goes dual-booting a
Windows OS]. Forget about the on-mobo digital sound output. ATI does have
drivers for plain old video card capability [Forget about video capture or
TV capabilities], and you need to recompile that effin' kernel
thing-a-ma-jig.

As the boys over at alt.os.windows-xp like to put, "Linux makes you stupid."
At least I feel stupid when I try to setup and use Linux. I do have an old
PII box that is quite capable of running Linux, now I just need to find some
time to play with it.

The way I look at it, if I, as an intermediate Windows user, have a hard
time with Linux, the average Windows moron would have even a harder time
with it. It's like learning a different language to me. Some people have a
natural aptitude for picking up languages, while most of us are lucky to
pickup a curse word or two.

All together now:

"MORON!"

Yes I am, when it comes to Linux anyway.

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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
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[kurttrail]

Joh N. wrote:

> kurttrail, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen
> to use, wrote:
>
>> Joh N. wrote:
>>
>>> kurttrail, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the
>>> pen to use, wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kenny wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> install linux
>>>>
>>>> And the user that can't figure how to disable PA on their own,
>>>> wouldn't be able to do much with Linux.
>>>
>>> Yeah, they would. First, they wouldn't have to worry about WPA *at
>>> all*. Second, most of the bigger name distros are as easy to use for
>>> the past 3 or 4 years now, as any M$ OS is now. If my 62 year old
>>> mom can use it, a friend who is not very literate (6th grade
>>> education), and I (who literally one day bought SuSE 7.3 four and a
>>> half years ago and just installed it and ran it because I finally
>>> got so sick of the M$ crap), can use it, pretty near anyone can I'd
>>> say.
>>>
>>> Joh N.
>>
>> The average user couldn't recompile the kernel with a gun to their
>> kid's head, and as long as that is a part of Linux, it ain't ready
>> for the average user.
>>
>> This won't always be the case. Linux is definitely maturing, but I
>> happen to agree with Linus that the Linux desktop is still a few
>> years away.
>
> Good grief! Who said anything about recompiling kernels?

Me.

> The only
> folk who do that are the ones who *want* to do that. It's never
> necessary to do such a thing with most of the big name distros
> because they have rpm's that just install. You're making it far
> harder than it really is.

Yes, I am sure I have, but some of my hardware just isn't fully functional
running Linux.

> In the time I've been using Linux, I
> tried to recompile a kernel *once*, just to try it and see what it
> was all about. I agree, it's not easy, buit it wasn't nearly as hard
> as I thought it would be either, mostly just time consuming by
> turning on/off the things you'd think you may need or not, but I was
> just doing it to see. I've only had to replace the kernel twice in
> four and a half years and all I did was download it from the ftp site
> and click on it once to install it...not hard at all, just like a
> windows .exe and one of the rare times one actually has to reboot
> the system. To put it another way...the average windows user couldn't
> piddle in the registry if a gun was held to their kids head either,
> and have to have people who know about that kind of thing tell them
> what to do, whereas if one really *wants* to recompile a kernel (and
> usually the only reason to do so is to stay on the bleeding edge),
> it's still a *lot* more simple to do than opening up regedit and
> guessing what the hell (for example)
>
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Servic es\Class\NetTrans\0001\Nd
i]
> does or is.
> Even worse, see if the average user can figure out what
> one of the registry entries is/does that has some 40 character long
> entry with only a mix of numbers and letters in some random seeming
> order (to them). You're thinking as if Linux is still something like
> UNIX...all cli and recompiling the kernel constantly and it just
> isn't so.

You should read the install file for the RAID chip on my motherboard. I
just tried, and it made my brain hurt, so I stopped. But it's a lot better
than even 5 months ago. In time, almost all hardware will have easy
installation on Linux, but for right now, for me & my computer at the very
least, running Linux just isn't in the cards quite yet.

--
Peace!
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Self-anointed Moderator
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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

[kurttrail]

kurttrail wrote:

> Steve Nielsen wrote:
>
>> kurttrail wrote:
>>> hermes wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Before the MVP (M$ Victim Poster) Hermes responded, kurttrail
>>>> typed:
>>>>
>>>>> Joh N. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> kurttrail, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the
>>>>>> pen to use, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kenny wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> install linux
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And the user that can't figure how to disable PA on their own,
>>>>>>> wouldn't be able to do much with Linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, they would. First, they wouldn't have to worry about WPA
>>>>>> *at all*. Second, most of the bigger name distros are as easy to
>>>>>> use for the past 3 or 4 years now, as any M$ OS is now. If my 62
>>>>>> year old mom can use it, a friend who is not very literate (6th
>>>>>> grade education), and I (who literally one day bought SuSE 7.3
>>>>>> four and a half years
>>>>>> ago and just installed it and ran it because I finally got so
>>>>>> sick of the M$ crap), can use it, pretty near anyone can I'd say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joh N.
>>>>>
>>>>> The average user couldn't recompile the kernel with a gun to their
>>>>> kid's head, and as long as that is a part of Linux, it ain't ready
>>>>> for the average user.
>>>>>
>>>>> This won't always be the case. Linux is definitely maturing, but
>>>>> I happen to agree with Linus that the Linux desktop is still a few
>>>>> years away.
>>>>
>>>> Is it necessary to recompile the kernel on most modern linux
>>>> distros these days? I've been able to use my linux machines no
>>>> problem without doing so. If it is needed, I have not done so on
>>>> mine, and mabey I should be, LOL. Well, I better research this one
>>>> a bit. I'm still making the transfer from Winblow$ to linux, so
>>>> I'm still learning. :)
>>>
>>>
>>> OK everybody. I'm talking about my personal experience with Linux
>>> and MY computer. To any distro to install I have to disable my
>>> RAID. There goes 2/3 of my hardrive space. Forget about digital
>>> sound! My ATI AIW works like it's 1995, and forget about the AIW.
>>>
>>> I'm the computer moron I talking about.
>>>
>>
>> Have you looked up Linux hardware compatibility for what you've got
>> in the box?
>>
>> Steve
>
> My personal box is hopeless. To even use my RAID as just a plain old
> IDE controller, I have to install a different BIOS [so there goes
> dual-booting a Windows OS]. Forget about the on-mobo digital sound
> output. ATI does have drivers for plain old video card capability
> [Forget about video capture or TV capabilities], and you need to
> recompile that effin' kernel thing-a-ma-jig.
>
> As the boys over at alt.os.windows-xp like to put, "Linux makes you
> stupid." At least I feel stupid when I try to setup and use Linux. I
> do have an old PII box that is quite capable of running Linux, now I
> just need to find some time to play with it.
>
> The way I look at it, if I, as an intermediate Windows user, have a
> hard time with Linux, the average Windows moron would have even a
> harder time with it. It's like learning a different language to me.
> Some people have a natural aptitude for picking up languages, while
> most of us are lucky to pickup a curse word or two.
>
> All together now:
>
> "MORON!"
>
> Yes I am, when it comes to Linux anyway.

Actually, I just looked and my RAID chip now has fully supported drivers
with Linux most Linux distros, but the BIOS I'd have to use wouldn't be
compatible with Windows drivers, and there is no way my computer is ready to
run Linux only, until my ATI AIW has full functionality in Linux, but their
generic driver install has also gotten easier than the last time I looked
too. Linux is getting closer, and closer. MS better not delay Longhorn too
long, or they will be wearing the horns of a cuckold, because Linux may just
woo a good many of us MicroBitches before 2007. ;-)

--
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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

[Brian C]

The Only way Linux would ever beat Microsoft. Is have the Linux
computers preinstalled and available at all wal-mart store along with
xp or longhorn computers. Sco would not touch wal-mart. Reason.
Wal-mart is not afraid to stand up to big giants. Wal-mart sued
Visa and masterCard and won.




>On Tue, 25 May 2004 19:48:05 -0400, "kurttrail" > wrote:

>Joh N. wrote:
>
>> kurttrail, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen
>> to use, wrote:
>>
>>> Joh N. wrote:
>>>
>>>> kurttrail, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the
>>>> pen to use, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Kenny wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> install linux
>>>>>
>>>>> And the user that can't figure how to disable PA on their own,
>>>>> wouldn't be able to do much with Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, they would. First, they wouldn't have to worry about WPA *at
>>>> all*. Second, most of the bigger name distros are as easy to use for
>>>> the past 3 or 4 years now, as any M$ OS is now. If my 62 year old
>>>> mom can use it, a friend who is not very literate (6th grade
>>>> education), and I (who literally one day bought SuSE 7.3 four and a
>>>> half years ago and just installed it and ran it because I finally
>>>> got so sick of the M$ crap), can use it, pretty near anyone can I'd
>>>> say.
>>>>
>>>> Joh N.
>>>
>>> The average user couldn't recompile the kernel with a gun to their
>>> kid's head, and as long as that is a part of Linux, it ain't ready
>>> for the average user.
>>>
>>> This won't always be the case. Linux is definitely maturing, but I
>>> happen to agree with Linus that the Linux desktop is still a few
>>> years away.
>>
>> Good grief! Who said anything about recompiling kernels?
>
>Me.
>
>> The only
>> folk who do that are the ones who *want* to do that. It's never
>> necessary to do such a thing with most of the big name distros
>> because they have rpm's that just install. You're making it far
>> harder than it really is.
>
>Yes, I am sure I have, but some of my hardware just isn't fully functional
>running Linux.
>
>> In the time I've been using Linux, I
>> tried to recompile a kernel *once*, just to try it and see what it
>> was all about. I agree, it's not easy, buit it wasn't nearly as hard
>> as I thought it would be either, mostly just time consuming by
>> turning on/off the things you'd think you may need or not, but I was
>> just doing it to see. I've only had to replace the kernel twice in
>> four and a half years and all I did was download it from the ftp site
>> and click on it once to install it...not hard at all, just like a
>> windows .exe and one of the rare times one actually has to reboot
>> the system. To put it another way...the average windows user couldn't
>> piddle in the registry if a gun was held to their kids head either,
>> and have to have people who know about that kind of thing tell them
>> what to do, whereas if one really *wants* to recompile a kernel (and
>> usually the only reason to do so is to stay on the bleeding edge),
>> it's still a *lot* more simple to do than opening up regedit and
>> guessing what the hell (for example)
>>
>[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Servic es\Class\NetTrans\0001\Nd
>i]
>> does or is.
>> Even worse, see if the average user can figure out what
>> one of the registry entries is/does that has some 40 character long
>> entry with only a mix of numbers and letters in some random seeming
>> order (to them). You're thinking as if Linux is still something like
>> UNIX...all cli and recompiling the kernel constantly and it just
>> isn't so.
>
>You should read the install file for the RAID chip on my motherboard. I
>just tried, and it made my brain hurt, so I stopped. But it's a lot better
>than even 5 months ago. In time, almost all hardware will have easy
>installation on Linux, but for right now, for me & my computer at the very
>least, running Linux just isn't in the cards quite yet.

[Joh N.]

kurttrail, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to use,
wrote:

<snip>

> My personal box is hopeless. To even use my RAID as just a plain old IDE
> controller, I have to install a different BIOS [so there goes dual-booting a
> Windows OS]. Forget about the on-mobo digital sound output. ATI does have
> drivers for plain old video card capability [Forget about video capture or
> TV capabilities], and you need to recompile that effin' kernel
> thing-a-ma-jig.

There's no Linux distro I know of that tells you you have to "install a
different BIOS".
What makes you think your on-board sound won't work?
ATI has drivers just for Linux, and Linux has apps made just for video-capture
and TV.
What made you think you have to recompile the kernel?
What distro and version are you even using, because none of the above makes
any sense at all. Hell...even a 4 year old Slackware doesn't make anyone do any
of the above stuff.

<snip>

> All together now:
>
> "MORON!"
>
> Yes I am, when it comes to Linux anyway.

Nah, you're just going at it wrong somehow...very wrong. Answer my above
questions and I'll see if I can help. Have you subscribed to an NG for your
particular distro? It'd be alt.os.linux.<distro name>

Joh N.
--
Linux 2.4.20-4GB-athlon
11:00pm up 8 days 18:17, 2 users, load average: 1.01, 1.03, 1.00

[kurttrail]

Joh N. wrote:

> kurttrail, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen
> to use, wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> My personal box is hopeless. To even use my RAID as just a plain
>> old IDE controller, I have to install a different BIOS [so there
>> goes dual-booting a Windows OS]. Forget about the on-mobo digital
>> sound output. ATI does have drivers for plain old video card
>> capability [Forget about video capture or TV capabilities], and you
>> need to recompile that effin' kernel thing-a-ma-jig.
>
> There's no Linux distro I know of that tells you you have to
> "install a different BIOS".

http://www.highpoint-tech.com/USA/b372.htm

Different BIOS versions for Windows & Linux. And after running a highpoint
RAID for almost 4 years now, on 4 different mobos, I've learned that you
don't run a driver version without running the same BIOS version, unless you
like shredding you data.

> What makes you think your on-board sound won't work?

I tried with Fedora Core 1 some months back. It was the digital output that
wasn't working. I run the digi out to my Kenwood 5.1 receiver, and let it
do the digital-to-analog conversions.

> ATI has drivers just for Linux, and Linux has apps made just for
> video-capture and TV.

http://www.ati.com/products/catalyst/linux.html#8

> What made you think you have to recompile the kernel?

All right already, wasn't my mea culpa of Linux moronity enough for you? :)

> What distro and version are you even using,

None right now, Fedora the last attempt around the beginning of the year.

> because none of the
> above makes any sense at all. Hell...even a 4 year old Slackware
> doesn't make anyone do any of the above stuff.

http://microscum.com/misc/BS/Install_SuSE81_82_HPT37x2.pdf

See if you don't go nuts reading this one. And this is like night & day
compared to the ones they had when I was last playing with Fedora.

http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/linuxhowto-ati.html

This also has gotten much better too. You guys got me to look again. In
just 5 months, this sh*t has gotten a lot better, and I've definitely have
revised my opinion, since the start of Linux sub-thread, though there is
some ways to go before Linux is ready for the prime-time audience.

>
> <snip>
>
>> All together now:
>>
>> "MORON!"
>>
>> Yes I am, when it comes to Linux anyway.
>
> Nah, you're just going at it wrong somehow...very wrong.

Hardware incompatiblity. What I'm not willing to do without. Being a
Moron. And not having the time to play with it. Not neccessarily in that
order.

> Answer my
> above questions and I'll see if I can help. Have you subscribed to an
> NG for your particular distro? It'd be alt.os.linux.<distro name>

Thanks John. I appreciate the offer. Right now I've been a bit burned out
from work, but later this summer, I'm planning to fudge together a second
box, that is more Linux-friendly to play around with to get more familar
with Linux.

--
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"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

[Brian C]

Kurt Fedora is a bad linux distro. Just like Microsoft bob for the
office was.

Fedora is not that configurable

>On Wed, 26 May 2004 01:02:29 -0400, "kurttrail" > wrote:

>Joh N. wrote:
>
>> kurttrail, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen
>> to use, wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> My personal box is hopeless. To even use my RAID as just a plain
>>> old IDE controller, I have to install a different BIOS [so there
>>> goes dual-booting a Windows OS]. Forget about the on-mobo digital
>>> sound output. ATI does have drivers for plain old video card
>>> capability [Forget about video capture or TV capabilities], and you
>>> need to recompile that effin' kernel thing-a-ma-jig.
>>
>> There's no Linux distro I know of that tells you you have to
>> "install a different BIOS".
>
>http://www.highpoint-tech.com/USA/b372.htm
>
>Different BIOS versions for Windows & Linux. And after running a highpoint
>RAID for almost 4 years now, on 4 different mobos, I've learned that you
>don't run a driver version without running the same BIOS version, unless you
>like shredding you data.
>
>> What makes you think your on-board sound won't work?
>
>I tried with Fedora Core 1 some months back. It was the digital output that
>wasn't working. I run the digi out to my Kenwood 5.1 receiver, and let it
>do the digital-to-analog conversions.
>
>> ATI has drivers just for Linux, and Linux has apps made just for
>> video-capture and TV.
>
>http://www.ati.com/products/catalyst/linux.html#8
>
>> What made you think you have to recompile the kernel?
>
>All right already, wasn't my mea culpa of Linux moronity enough for you? :)
>
>> What distro and version are you even using,
>
>None right now, Fedora the last attempt around the beginning of the year.
>
>> because none of the
>> above makes any sense at all. Hell...even a 4 year old Slackware
>> doesn't make anyone do any of the above stuff.
>
>http://microscum.com/misc/BS/Install_SuSE81_82_HPT37x2.pdf
>
>See if you don't go nuts reading this one. And this is like night & day
>compared to the ones they had when I was last playing with Fedora.
>
>http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/linuxhowto-ati.html
>
>This also has gotten much better too. You guys got me to look again. In
>just 5 months, this sh*t has gotten a lot better, and I've definitely have
>revised my opinion, since the start of Linux sub-thread, though there is
>some ways to go before Linux is ready for the prime-time audience.
>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> All together now:
>>>
>>> "MORON!"
>>>
>>> Yes I am, when it comes to Linux anyway.
>>
>> Nah, you're just going at it wrong somehow...very wrong.
>
>Hardware incompatiblity. What I'm not willing to do without. Being a
>Moron. And not having the time to play with it. Not neccessarily in that
>order.
>
>> Answer my
>> above questions and I'll see if I can help. Have you subscribed to an
>> NG for your particular distro? It'd be alt.os.linux.<distro name>
>
>Thanks John. I appreciate the offer. Right now I've been a bit burned out
>from work, but later this summer, I'm planning to fudge together a second
>box, that is more Linux-friendly to play around with to get more familar
>with Linux.

[hermes]

Before the MVP (M$ Victim Poster) Hermes responded, kurttrail typed:
> Joh N. wrote:
>
>> kurttrail, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen
>> to use, wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> My personal box is hopeless. To even use my RAID as just a plain
>>> old IDE controller, I have to install a different BIOS [so there
>>> goes dual-booting a Windows OS]. Forget about the on-mobo digital
>>> sound output. ATI does have drivers for plain old video card
>>> capability [Forget about video capture or TV capabilities], and you
>>> need to recompile that effin' kernel thing-a-ma-jig.
>>
>> There's no Linux distro I know of that tells you you have to
>> "install a different BIOS".
>
> http://www.highpoint-tech.com/USA/b372.htm
>
> Different BIOS versions for Windows & Linux. And after running a
> highpoint RAID for almost 4 years now, on 4 different mobos, I've
> learned that you don't run a driver version without running the same
> BIOS version, unless you like shredding you data.
>
>> What makes you think your on-board sound won't work?
>
> I tried with Fedora Core 1 some months back. It was the digital
> output that wasn't working. I run the digi out to my Kenwood 5.1
> receiver, and let it do the digital-to-analog conversions.
>
>> ATI has drivers just for Linux, and Linux has apps made just for
>> video-capture and TV.
>
> http://www.ati.com/products/catalyst/linux.html#8
>
>> What made you think you have to recompile the kernel?
>
> All right already, wasn't my mea culpa of Linux moronity enough for
> you? :)
>
>> What distro and version are you even using,
>
> None right now, Fedora the last attempt around the beginning of the
> year.
>
>> because none of the
>> above makes any sense at all. Hell...even a 4 year old Slackware
>> doesn't make anyone do any of the above stuff.
>
> http://microscum.com/misc/BS/Install_SuSE81_82_HPT37x2.pdf
>
> See if you don't go nuts reading this one. And this is like night &
> day compared to the ones they had when I was last playing with Fedora.
>
> http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/linuxhowto-ati.html
>
> This also has gotten much better too. You guys got me to look again.
> In just 5 months, this sh*t has gotten a lot better, and I've
> definitely have revised my opinion, since the start of Linux
> sub-thread, though there is some ways to go before Linux is ready for
> the prime-time audience.
>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> All together now:
>>>
>>> "MORON!"
>>>
>>> Yes I am, when it comes to Linux anyway.
>>
>> Nah, you're just going at it wrong somehow...very wrong.
>
> Hardware incompatiblity. What I'm not willing to do without. Being a
> Moron. And not having the time to play with it. Not neccessarily in
> that order.
>
>> Answer my
>> above questions and I'll see if I can help. Have you subscribed to an
>> NG for your particular distro? It'd be alt.os.linux.<distro name>
>
> Thanks John. I appreciate the offer. Right now I've been a bit
> burned out from work, but later this summer, I'm planning to fudge
> together a second box, that is more Linux-friendly to play around
> with to get more familar with Linux.

Kurt, reading this post I'm inclined to say that moving to Linux isn't as
hard as may seem. However, you seem to have fancy hardware which as you
have expressed can make your move to linux difficult. I think you have a
very good idea taking a secondary machine and building it for linux. After
2 or 3 failed linux installs (failed because I never checked that hardware
before installing), I took an older machine I had lying around and rebuilt
it for linux. I built it from the ground up with verified linux compatible
hardware (very common cards, etc.). And after installing, I only had
dificulty with the sound. :) I use Mandrake 9.2, and I think the hardest
thing for me in making the switch was unlearning Windows retarded way of
doing things in order to learn to think more like linux. Best of luck when
you embark on your switch.

--
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DRM sux! Treacherous Computing kills our virtual civil liberties!
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Windows XP crashed.
I am the Blue Screen of Death.
No one hears your screams.

Yesterday it worked.
Today it is not working.
Windows is like that.

[kurttrail]

hermes wrote:

> Kurt, reading this post I'm inclined to say that moving to Linux
> isn't as hard as may seem. However, you seem to have fancy hardware
> which as you have expressed can make your move to linux difficult. I
> think you have a very good idea taking a secondary machine and
> building it for linux. After 2 or 3 failed linux installs (failed
> because I never checked that hardware before installing), I took an
> older machine I had lying around and rebuilt it for linux. I built
> it from the ground up with verified linux compatible hardware (very
> common cards, etc.). And after installing, I only had dificulty with
> the sound. :) I use Mandrake 9.2, and I think the hardest thing for
> me in making the switch was unlearning Windows retarded way of doing
> things in order to learn to think more like linux. Best of luck when
> you embark on your switch.

Thanks Steve, John, Brian, and Hermes. You guys have shown me that I was
being too hard on Linux. I can't wait for summer when I should have more
time to play with it.

And to think, there are quite a few people around here that think I'm
totally unreasonable, and unwilling to listen & learn from the opinions of
others. There are more than a few MS advocates around here that really
could learn a thing or two from you guys, about how to advocate for an OS
without having to use BS.

Thanks again guys! :)

--
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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

[kurttrail]

Brian C wrote:

> Kurt Fedora is a bad linux distro. Just like Microsoft bob for the
> office was.

That bad? OMG! I'm glad I didn't tell you guys that the other distro I
have tried recently was Lindows! ;-)

>
> Fedora is not that configurable

Boy, did I find that out. I'm thinking about going with Suse this summer.

--
Peace!
Kurt
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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

[Joh N.]

kurttrail, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to use,
wrote:

> Brian C wrote:
>
>> Kurt Fedora is a bad linux distro. Just like Microsoft bob for the
>> office was.
>
> That bad? OMG! I'm glad I didn't tell you guys that the other distro I
> have tried recently was Lindows! ;-)
>
>>
>> Fedora is not that configurable
>
> Boy, did I find that out. I'm thinking about going with Suse this summer.

Make sure you get the 'Pro' box. It'll have some really nice books, 2 DVD's
(on one side of each will be a setup for 64bit, the other for 32bit), and 4 or
5 CD's (they contain the exact things the DVD's do).
The reason for the 'Pro' version...you'll have literally thousands of apps to
try out and it'll have all the 'devel' rpm's for all the apps, a huge plus when
it comes to installing other apps that may depend on the devel stuff. Easiest
thing to do is get 2 or 3 of you to pool the money together to buy the box,
then just make copies of the CD's or DVD's. The books you're gonna have to
fight over who gets them, heh.

Joh N.
--
Linux 2.4.20-4GB-athlon
3:17am up 9 days 22:34, 2 users, load average: 1.95, 1.39, 1.04

[Steve Nielsen]

kurttrail wrote:

> hermes wrote:
>
>
>>Kurt, reading this post I'm inclined to say that moving to Linux
>>isn't as hard as may seem. However, you seem to have fancy hardware
>>which as you have expressed can make your move to linux difficult. I
>>think you have a very good idea taking a secondary machine and
>>building it for linux. After 2 or 3 failed linux installs (failed
>>because I never checked that hardware before installing), I took an
>>older machine I had lying around and rebuilt it for linux. I built
>>it from the ground up with verified linux compatible hardware (very
>>common cards, etc.). And after installing, I only had dificulty with
>>the sound. :) I use Mandrake 9.2, and I think the hardest thing for
>>me in making the switch was unlearning Windows retarded way of doing
>>things in order to learn to think more like linux. Best of luck when
>>you embark on your switch.
>
>
> Thanks Steve, John, Brian, and Hermes. You guys have shown me that I was
> being too hard on Linux. I can't wait for summer when I should have more
> time to play with it.
>
> And to think, there are quite a few people around here that think I'm
> totally unreasonable, and unwilling to listen & learn from the opinions of
> others. There are more than a few MS advocates around here that really
> could learn a thing or two from you guys, about how to advocate for an OS
> without having to use BS.
>
> Thanks again guys! :)
>

You're welcome Kurt. I wish I had more time to work with Linux at home.
By the time I get home from work I am so burnt out on computers that I
hardly ever even login to mine at home except in the morning to check
email and on weekends for a bit. Fortunately we are working on some
Linux based solutions at work now. We hired a new guy recently who knows
Linux pretty darned good.

And for what it's worth I have never thought you to be unreasonable.
Nuts? Yes. Outspoken? Right-on! Unreasonable? Nope.

Steve