Installing a Large Hard Drive (200 GB)

[Cal]

Tried to install a Maxtor 200GB HD in my XP-Pro machine. Used Maxtor's XP
patch to permit recognition of drives over 137GB. Used their partition and
format program to set and format a single partition. Then used their
program to copy my old 20GB drive (C:) to the new one, switched appropriate
jumpers and attempted to use the 200GB as my main HD. All seemed pretty
easy until:

(1) All programs worked normally (including XP) off the 200GB HD except the
Office Suite & Outlook which kept notifying me of registry errors and
advising me to reinstall. When attempting to Add/Remove Office, XP would
not (registry errors). When attempting to use Office Set-up, another
registry error prevented the app from running. Even tried restoring a
previous version of XP but all previous version restores failed.

OK, I know when I'm beat and it was late. Switched jumpers, booted from old
C: drive, everything back to normal. I'll use the 200GB drive for storage
only.

(2) Re-partitioned and re-formatted 200GB drive into a single data storage
partition. Could only get 189GB no matter what. Finally settled on two
100GB partitions which are working normally.

Would appreciate any suggestions on either (1) or (2) if I get the energy to
try again.

.... Cal

[Amethyst]

Cal wrote:
> Tried to install a Maxtor 200GB HD in my XP-Pro machine. Used
> Maxtor's XP patch to permit recognition of drives over 137GB. Used
> their partition and format program to set and format a single
> partition. Then used their program to copy my old 20GB drive (C:) to
> the new one, switched appropriate jumpers and attempted to use the
> 200GB as my main HD. All seemed pretty easy until:
>
> (1) All programs worked normally (including XP) off the 200GB HD
> except the Office Suite & Outlook which kept notifying me of registry
> errors and advising me to reinstall. When attempting to Add/Remove
> Office, XP would not (registry errors). When attempting to use
> Office Set-up, another registry error prevented the app from running.
> Even tried restoring a previous version of XP but all previous
> version restores failed.
>
> OK, I know when I'm beat and it was late. Switched jumpers, booted
> from old C: drive, everything back to normal. I'll use the 200GB
> drive for storage only.
>
> (2) Re-partitioned and re-formatted 200GB drive into a single data
> storage partition. Could only get 189GB no matter what. Finally
> settled on two 100GB partitions which are working normally.
>
> Would appreciate any suggestions on either (1) or (2) if I get the
> energy to try again.
>
> ... Cal

You don't need any energy - 189 is actually a little on the large side for a
200GB drive - should be nearer 185. And I don't see how you can have 2x100GB
partitions it isn't possible - the largest they can be is around 92.5GB.

It would appear that the manufacturer vs computer hard drive 'problem' isn't
as common knowledge as I thought.

OK here goes.

A KB = 1000 bytes (mfr) or 1024 bytes (PC)
A MB = 1000KB (mfr) or 1024KB (PC)
A GB = 1000MB (mfr) or 1024MB (PC)

Now you have a 200GB drive so you have 200x1000^3 = 200,000,000,000 bytes
in mfr size.

But, a PC works in binary, and the nearest binary figure to 1000 is 1024
(2^10).

200x1024^3= 214,748,364,800 bytes. Now, if we subtract 200,000,000,000 from
this we're left with 14,748,364,800 bytes. We now need to subtract that from
200,000,000,000 to find the true binary figure. That leaves us with
185,251,635,200 bytes, or 185.25GB to two decimal places.

The simple formula is M(7.5/100) = C, where M is manufacturer and C is
computer.

So you've really expended a lot of energy for nothing.

[Siilly You]

"Amethyst" > wrote in message =
...
>=20
> You don't need any energy - 189 is actually a little on the large side =
for a
> 200GB drive - should be nearer 185. And I don't see how you can have =
2x100GB
> partitions it isn't possible - the largest they can be is around =
92.5GB.
>=20
> It would appear that the manufacturer vs computer hard drive 'problem' =
isn't
> as common knowledge as I thought.
>=20
> OK here goes.
>=20
> A KB =3D 1000 bytes (mfr) or 1024 bytes (PC)
> A MB =3D 1000KB (mfr) or 1024KB (PC)
> A GB =3D 1000MB (mfr) or 1024MB (PC)
>=20
> Now you have a 200GB drive so you have 200x1000^3 =3D 200,000,000,000 =
bytes
> in mfr size.
>=20
> But, a PC works in binary, and the nearest binary figure to 1000 is =
1024
> (2^10).
>=20
> 200x1024^3=3D 214,748,364,800 bytes. Now, if we subtract =
200,000,000,000 from
> this we're left with 14,748,364,800 bytes. We now need to subtract =
that from
> 200,000,000,000 to find the true binary figure. That leaves us with
> 185,251,635,200 bytes, or 185.25GB to two decimal places.
>=20
> The simple formula is M(7.5/100) =3D C, where M is manufacturer and C =
is
> computer.
>=20
> So you've really expended a lot of energy for nothing.

Bwahahahahahahah!

Total crap by a total ****wit!

[GiJoe]

Wrong. You just cant give some part of the information and then expect them
to understand how it really works.
"Amethyst" > wrote in message
...
> Cal wrote:
> > Tried to install a Maxtor 200GB HD in my XP-Pro machine. Used
> > Maxtor's XP patch to permit recognition of drives over 137GB. Used
> > their partition and format program to set and format a single
> > partition. Then used their program to copy my old 20GB drive (C:) to
> > the new one, switched appropriate jumpers and attempted to use the
> > 200GB as my main HD. All seemed pretty easy until:
> >
> > (1) All programs worked normally (including XP) off the 200GB HD
> > except the Office Suite & Outlook which kept notifying me of registry
> > errors and advising me to reinstall. When attempting to Add/Remove
> > Office, XP would not (registry errors). When attempting to use
> > Office Set-up, another registry error prevented the app from running.
> > Even tried restoring a previous version of XP but all previous
> > version restores failed.
> >
> > OK, I know when I'm beat and it was late. Switched jumpers, booted
> > from old C: drive, everything back to normal. I'll use the 200GB
> > drive for storage only.
> >
> > (2) Re-partitioned and re-formatted 200GB drive into a single data
> > storage partition. Could only get 189GB no matter what. Finally
> > settled on two 100GB partitions which are working normally.
> >
> > Would appreciate any suggestions on either (1) or (2) if I get the
> > energy to try again.
> >
> > ... Cal
>
> You don't need any energy - 189 is actually a little on the large side for
a
> 200GB drive - should be nearer 185. And I don't see how you can have
2x100GB
> partitions it isn't possible - the largest they can be is around 92.5GB.
>
> It would appear that the manufacturer vs computer hard drive 'problem'
isn't
> as common knowledge as I thought.
>
> OK here goes.
>
> A KB = 1000 bytes (mfr) or 1024 bytes (PC)
> A MB = 1000KB (mfr) or 1024KB (PC)
> A GB = 1000MB (mfr) or 1024MB (PC)
>
> Now you have a 200GB drive so you have 200x1000^3 = 200,000,000,000 bytes
> in mfr size.
>
> But, a PC works in binary, and the nearest binary figure to 1000 is 1024
> (2^10).
>
> 200x1024^3= 214,748,364,800 bytes. Now, if we subtract 200,000,000,000
from
> this we're left with 14,748,364,800 bytes. We now need to subtract that
from
> 200,000,000,000 to find the true binary figure. That leaves us with
> 185,251,635,200 bytes, or 185.25GB to two decimal places.
>
> The simple formula is M(7.5/100) = C, where M is manufacturer and C is
> computer.
>
> So you've really expended a lot of energy for nothing.
>
>

[GiJoe]

Cal, visit these two sites, and see if they help you to understand how the
file systems work.
http://www.dewassoc.com/kbase/hard_drives/drive_size_barrier_limitations.htm
http://www.sans.org/rr/paper.php?id=653
Have you considered doing a fresh install on the new HD, and slaving the old
until you retrieve the data off it? It may sound like a pain to do that, but
in the long run you might be glad you did, as it will get rid of garbage
that you may not want or know is there. As for copying the first drive to
the second, could be anything from different file systems, to cluster sizes.
Maxtor has a good knowledge base on their web site that might help you.
otherwise you'll have to post with a lot more details as to how each drive
is set up.
HTH
G.I.Joe

"Cal" > wrote in message
...
> Tried to install a Maxtor 200GB HD in my XP-Pro machine. Used Maxtor's XP
> patch to permit recognition of drives over 137GB. Used their partition
and
> format program to set and format a single partition. Then used their
> program to copy my old 20GB drive (C:) to the new one, switched
appropriate
> jumpers and attempted to use the 200GB as my main HD. All seemed pretty
> easy until:
>
> (1) All programs worked normally (including XP) off the 200GB HD except
the
> Office Suite & Outlook which kept notifying me of registry errors and
> advising me to reinstall. When attempting to Add/Remove Office, XP would
> not (registry errors). When attempting to use Office Set-up, another
> registry error prevented the app from running. Even tried restoring a
> previous version of XP but all previous version restores failed.
>
> OK, I know when I'm beat and it was late. Switched jumpers, booted from
old
> C: drive, everything back to normal. I'll use the 200GB drive for storage
> only.
>
> (2) Re-partitioned and re-formatted 200GB drive into a single data storage
> partition. Could only get 189GB no matter what. Finally settled on two
> 100GB partitions which are working normally.
>
> Would appreciate any suggestions on either (1) or (2) if I get the energy
to
> try again.
>
> ... Cal
>
>

[Amethyst]

GiJoe wrote:
> Wrong. You just cant give some part of the information and then
> expect them to understand how it really works.


Look, you moronic, top posting ****wit, I explained perfectly eloquently. If
you can't understand it then that's really not my problem. Back into the
killfile you go.

[Graham]

"GiJoe" > wrote in message
...
> Cal, visit these two sites, and see if they help you to understand how the
> file systems work.
>
http://www.dewassoc.com/kbase/hard_drives/drive_size_barrier_limitations.htm
> http://www.sans.org/rr/paper.php?id=653
> Have you considered doing a fresh install on the new HD, and slaving the
old
> until you retrieve the data off it? It may sound like a pain to do that,
but
> in the long run you might be glad you did, as it will get rid of garbage
> that you may not want or know is there. As for copying the first drive to
> the second, could be anything from different file systems, to cluster
sizes.
> Maxtor has a good knowledge base on their web site that might help you.
> otherwise you'll have to post with a lot more details as to how each drive
> is set up.
> HTH
> G.I.Joe
>

I second Joe, go for a 100% new clean install.
>

[Graham]

"Amethyst" > wrote in message
...
> GiJoe wrote:
> > Wrong. You just cant give some part of the information and then
> > expect them to understand how it really works.
>
>
> Look, you moronic, top posting ****wit, I explained perfectly eloquently.
If
> you can't understand it then that's really not my problem. Back into the
> killfile you go.
As I already knew of this issue, your explanation is 100% understandable to
me and is completely accurate.

[Donald Link]

I do not know what happened to you, but I am using xp pro and the same
maxtor hard drive as i type this. Did not use any PATCH. Simply made sure
SP! was installed on my old 80 gb hard drive and transfered the system files
and data to the new 200 with the maxtor software and things went fine. I
did do a clean format and install on the old hard drive in case. XP Pro
with sp1 will reconize hard drives over the 137 gb limit. The information
was buried in the pamplet with the Maxtor drive.






"Cal" > wrote in message
...
> Tried to install a Maxtor 200GB HD in my XP-Pro machine. Used Maxtor's XP
> patch to permit recognition of drives over 137GB. Used their partition
and
> format program to set and format a single partition. Then used their
> program to copy my old 20GB drive (C:) to the new one, switched
appropriate
> jumpers and attempted to use the 200GB as my main HD. All seemed pretty
> easy until:
>
> (1) All programs worked normally (including XP) off the 200GB HD except
the
> Office Suite & Outlook which kept notifying me of registry errors and
> advising me to reinstall. When attempting to Add/Remove Office, XP would
> not (registry errors). When attempting to use Office Set-up, another
> registry error prevented the app from running. Even tried restoring a
> previous version of XP but all previous version restores failed.
>
> OK, I know when I'm beat and it was late. Switched jumpers, booted from
old
> C: drive, everything back to normal. I'll use the 200GB drive for storage
> only.
>
> (2) Re-partitioned and re-formatted 200GB drive into a single data storage
> partition. Could only get 189GB no matter what. Finally settled on two
> 100GB partitions which are working normally.
>
> Would appreciate any suggestions on either (1) or (2) if I get the energy
to
> try again.
>
> ... Cal
>
>