sp3 networking

[SP2 networking]

Just loaded sp2. All went well, until I went to use my home network, previou
sly working fine under sp1. Setup:
2 computers, both with a realtek network adaptor and a 1394 connection. My
setup is direct connection between the 2 1394 ports and the 2 realtek networ
k adapters into an ADSL 4 port modem.

Under SP1, the home network wizard would go through the motions. It then ga
ve you the option of which adapter was going to run what service i.e Realtek
adapter to connect to internet via ADSL modem. The 1394 port running the h
ome net. Network established and internet connection fine.

Under SP2, using the home network wizard, it starts off bacially the same, h
owever it is not giving you any choice in what adapter is controlling what f
unction. Have tried the different options in the wizard to see if any diffe
rence, same result on all selections, not choice of which adapter for what t
ask.

Have managed to setup a network once, but I am assuming it picked only the r
ealtek adapter for both internet conncetion and home network... VERY DANG
EROUS !!!!!

The reason I use two adapters is to keep the home network connections right
away from any internet activity, 1394 having only tcp ip selected, no file s
haring etc.

Does anyone know how to manually set up a network with SP2 to designate whic
h adapter for what service or why I am not getting the option of selection o
f which adpater for the internet or home network, as you use to under SP1, b
ut not under SP2, network wizzard. No adapters bridged.

Jeff

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

In article >, "SP2
networking" <SP2 > wrote:
>Just loaded sp2. All went well, until I went to use my home network, previou
>sly working fine under sp1. Setup:
>2 computers, both with a realtek network adaptor and a 1394 connection. My
>setup is direct connection between the 2 1394 ports and the 2 realtek networ
>k adapters into an ADSL 4 port modem.
>
>Under SP1, the home network wizard would go through the motions. It then ga
>ve you the option of which adapter was going to run what service i.e Realtek
>adapter to connect to internet via ADSL modem. The 1394 port running the h
>ome net. Network established and internet connection fine.
>
>Under SP2, using the home network wizard, it starts off bacially the same, h
>owever it is not giving you any choice in what adapter is controlling what f
>unction. Have tried the different options in the wizard to see if any diffe
>rence, same result on all selections, not choice of which adapter for what t
>ask.
>
>Have managed to setup a network once, but I am assuming it picked only the r
>ealtek adapter for both internet conncetion and home network... VERY DANG
>EROUS !!!!!
>
>The reason I use two adapters is to keep the home network connections right
>away from any internet activity, 1394 having only tcp ip selected, no file s
>haring etc.
>
>Does anyone know how to manually set up a network with SP2 to designate whic
>h adapter for what service or why I am not getting the option of selection o
>f which adpater for the internet or home network, as you use to under SP1, b
>ut not under SP2, network wizzard. No adapters bridged.
>
>Jeff

I think that everything's OK, Jeff.

In Windows XP original and SP1, the Network Setup Wizard creates a
network bridge between all LAN connections. Since a direct connection
to the Internet can't be bridged, the Wizard needs to know which one
is the Internet connection and which ones are the LAN connections.

In SP2, the Wizard has been changed. It doesn't create a network
bridge, so it doesn't need to determine which one is the Internet
connection and which ones are the LAN connections. I think that the
change is a good one. Automatically bridging connections can cause
problems because some network adapters don't work in bridged mode.
Most automatically created bridges combined an Ethernet adapter with
an IEEE 1394 adapter, which often caused problems.

Are your Ethernet and 1394 connections working properly?

I have Ethernet and 1394 connections between my main computers. I use
Ethernet for Internet access and 1394 for large file transfers, since
1394 is much faster than Ethernet.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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[jbart]

"Steve Winograd [MVP]" wrote:

> In article >, "SP2
> networking" <SP2 > wrote:
> >Just loaded sp2. All went well, until I went to use my home network, previou
> >sly working fine under sp1. Setup:
> >2 computers, both with a realtek network adaptor and a 1394 connection. My
> >setup is direct connection between the 2 1394 ports and the 2 realtek networ
> >k adapters into an ADSL 4 port modem.
> >
> >Under SP1, the home network wizard would go through the motions. It then ga
> >ve you the option of which adapter was going to run what service i.e Realtek
> >adapter to connect to internet via ADSL modem. The 1394 port running the h
> >ome net. Network established and internet connection fine.
> >
> >Under SP2, using the home network wizard, it starts off bacially the same, h
> >owever it is not giving you any choice in what adapter is controlling what f
> >unction. Have tried the different options in the wizard to see if any diffe
> >rence, same result on all selections, not choice of which adapter for what t
> >ask.
> >
> >Have managed to setup a network once, but I am assuming it picked only the r
> >ealtek adapter for both internet conncetion and home network... VERY DANG
> >EROUS !!!!!
> >
> >The reason I use two adapters is to keep the home network connections right
> >away from any internet activity, 1394 having only tcp ip selected, no file s
> >haring etc.
> >
> >Does anyone know how to manually set up a network with SP2 to designate whic
> >h adapter for what service or why I am not getting the option of selection o
> >f which adpater for the internet or home network, as you use to under SP1, b
> >ut not under SP2, network wizzard. No adapters bridged.
> >
> >Jeff
>
> I think that everything's OK, Jeff.
>
> In Windows XP original and SP1, the Network Setup Wizard creates a
> network bridge between all LAN connections. Since a direct connection
> to the Internet can't be bridged, the Wizard needs to know which one
> is the Internet connection and which ones are the LAN connections.
>
> In SP2, the Wizard has been changed. It doesn't create a network
> bridge, so it doesn't need to determine which one is the Internet
> connection and which ones are the LAN connections. I think that the
> change is a good one. Automatically bridging connections can cause
> problems because some network adapters don't work in bridged mode.
> Most automatically created bridges combined an Ethernet adapter with
> an IEEE 1394 adapter, which often caused problems.
>
> Are your Ethernet and 1394 connections working properly?
>
> I have Ethernet and 1394 connections between my main computers. I use
> Ethernet for Internet access and 1394 for large file transfers, since
> 1394 is much faster than Ethernet.
> --
> Best Wishes,
> Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
>
> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
> for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
> addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
>
> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>

Steve,

All my ethernet and 1394 connecttion were working fine under SP1 and I
assume under SP2. My original belief was it was wise to keep the internet
away from your LAN, supbsequetly, set up the 1394s' direct cabled, for my
LAN. Now under SP2, I can not set up a network. I had only one sucess, but
that was with client for microsoft networks, file sharing and tcpip being
selected on both cards, Realtek ethernet and the 1394. I am sure you would
agree that is defintiely a dangerous practice. Of course I didnt leave it
that way, having only client for etc, file sharing and tcpip selected on the
1394. However, with this setup, I can not set up the network. Please, any
suggestions. I did like the was sp1 let you set which card for the internet
and which card for your network.

regards,
Jeff

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

In article >,
"jbart" > wrote:
>Steve,
>
>All my ethernet and 1394 connecttion were working fine under SP1 and I
>assume under SP2. My original belief was it was wise to keep the internet
>away from your LAN, supbsequetly, set up the 1394s' direct cabled, for my
>LAN. Now under SP2, I can not set up a network. I had only one sucess, but
>that was with client for microsoft networks, file sharing and tcpip being
>selected on both cards, Realtek ethernet and the 1394. I am sure you would
>agree that is defintiely a dangerous practice. Of course I didnt leave it
>that way, having only client for etc, file sharing and tcpip selected on the
>1394. However, with this setup, I can not set up the network. Please, any
>suggestions. I did like the was sp1 let you set which card for the internet
>and which card for your network.
>
>regards,
>Jeff

Jeff, I don't know what you think is dangerous about the setup that
you described.

How does your network connect to the Internet? With these common
setups, there's no danger in using TCP/IP for file sharing on all
local area network connections:

1. A cable or DSL modem connected to a broadband router.
2. A dial-up connection.
3. A host computer running Internet Connection Sharing.

In #2 and #3, enable XP's Internet Connection Firewall on the Internet
connection. The LAN connections aren't exposed to the Internet and
don't cause any danger.

The only setup that's likely to be dangerous is when all of the
computers connect directly to a cable or DSL modem through a hub or
switch (not through a router) and receive public IP addresses.

If you want to use only the 1394 connection for file sharing, make
these settings on the Ethernet connections:

1. Un-bind File and Printer Sharing.
2. Un-bind Client for Microsoft Networks.
3. Disable NetBIOS over TCP/IP.

and make these settings on the 1394 connections:

1. Bind File and Printer Sharing.
2. Bind Client for Microsoft Networks.
3. Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

[jbart]

"Steve Winograd [MVP]" wrote:

> In article >,
> "jbart" > wrote:
> >Steve,
> >
> >All my ethernet and 1394 connecttion were working fine under SP1 and I
> >assume under SP2. My original belief was it was wise to keep the internet
> >away from your LAN, supbsequetly, set up the 1394s' direct cabled, for my
> >LAN. Now under SP2, I can not set up a network. I had only one sucess, but
> >that was with client for microsoft networks, file sharing and tcpip being
> >selected on both cards, Realtek ethernet and the 1394. I am sure you would
> >agree that is defintiely a dangerous practice. Of course I didnt leave it
> >that way, having only client for etc, file sharing and tcpip selected on the
> >1394. However, with this setup, I can not set up the network. Please, any
> >suggestions. I did like the was sp1 let you set which card for the internet
> >and which card for your network.
> >
> >regards,
> >Jeff
>
> Jeff, I don't know what you think is dangerous about the setup that
> you described.
>
> How does your network connect to the Internet? With these common
> setups, there's no danger in using TCP/IP for file sharing on all
> local area network connections:
>
> 1. A cable or DSL modem connected to a broadband router.
> 2. A dial-up connection.
> 3. A host computer running Internet Connection Sharing.
>
> In #2 and #3, enable XP's Internet Connection Firewall on the Internet
> connection. The LAN connections aren't exposed to the Internet and
> don't cause any danger.
>
> The only setup that's likely to be dangerous is when all of the
> computers connect directly to a cable or DSL modem through a hub or
> switch (not through a router) and receive public IP addresses.
>
> If you want to use only the 1394 connection for file sharing, make
> these settings on the Ethernet connections:
>
> 1. Un-bind File and Printer Sharing.
> 2. Un-bind Client for Microsoft Networks.
> 3. Disable NetBIOS over TCP/IP.
>
> and make these settings on the 1394 connections:
>
> 1. Bind File and Printer Sharing.
> 2. Bind Client for Microsoft Networks.
> 3. Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP.
> --
> Best Wishes,
> Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
>
> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
> for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
> addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
>
> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>

I connect to the internet throught an Alcatel speed touch Pro 4 port adsl
router.
I am using Zonealarm for my protection at this stage, a bit too early to
trust the new SP2 firewall setup, although it does look impressive.

I shall try as you have suggested, thanks.

Jeff

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

In article >,
"jbart" > wrote:
>I connect to the internet throught an Alcatel speed touch Pro 4 port adsl
>router.
>I am using Zonealarm for my protection at this stage, a bit too early to
>trust the new SP2 firewall setup, although it does look impressive.
>
>I shall try as you have suggested, thanks.
>
>Jeff

You're welcome, Jeff. Thanks for clarifying your setup.

Since you have a router, it's safe to use TCP/IP for file sharing on
the LAN.

I trust the SP2 firewall, but there's no reason for you to use it
since you have ZoneAlarm. ZA does everything that SP2's firewall
does, and more.

Since you have a router, and the router acts as an incoming firewall,
the only value that ZA adds is to block undesired outgoing connections
from your computer to the Internet.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

[jbart]

"Steve Winograd [MVP]" wrote:

> In article >,
> "jbart" > wrote:
> >I connect to the internet throught an Alcatel speed touch Pro 4 port adsl
> >router.
> >I am using Zonealarm for my protection at this stage, a bit too early to
> >trust the new SP2 firewall setup, although it does look impressive.
> >
> >I shall try as you have suggested, thanks.
> >
> >Jeff
>
> You're welcome, Jeff. Thanks for clarifying your setup.
>
> Since you have a router, it's safe to use TCP/IP for file sharing on
> the LAN.
>
> I trust the SP2 firewall, but there's no reason for you to use it
> since you have ZoneAlarm. ZA does everything that SP2's firewall
> does, and more.
>
> Since you have a router, and the router acts as an incoming firewall,
> the only value that ZA adds is to block undesired outgoing connections
> from your computer to the Internet.
> --
> Best Wishes,
> Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
>
> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
> for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
> addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
>
> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>

tried your suggestions. No good. Uninstalled/reinstalled all network cards.
Made up new network, new name, with network wizzard.

Sucess, network up and running. May be after SP2 upgrade, the system needs
a complete network reinstall??????

Anyone thanks for your help.

regards,


Jeff

[jbart]

hmmmmmmmmmmma week on and still some problems. I have managed to set up a
network, but it has no longevity at all. After closing down computer and
rebooting them, the network, doesn't seem to connect. neither computer will
see the other, although both 1394 cards are indicating they are connected.

???

Jeff

"jbart" wrote:

>
>
> "Steve Winograd [MVP]" wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > "jbart" > wrote:
> > >I connect to the internet throught an Alcatel speed touch Pro 4 port adsl
> > >router.
> > >I am using Zonealarm for my protection at this stage, a bit too early to
> > >trust the new SP2 firewall setup, although it does look impressive.
> > >
> > >I shall try as you have suggested, thanks.
> > >
> > >Jeff
> >
> > You're welcome, Jeff. Thanks for clarifying your setup.
> >
> > Since you have a router, it's safe to use TCP/IP for file sharing on
> > the LAN.
> >
> > I trust the SP2 firewall, but there's no reason for you to use it
> > since you have ZoneAlarm. ZA does everything that SP2's firewall
> > does, and more.
> >
> > Since you have a router, and the router acts as an incoming firewall,
> > the only value that ZA adds is to block undesired outgoing connections
> > from your computer to the Internet.
> > --
> > Best Wishes,
> > Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
> >
> > Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
> > for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
> > addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
> >
> > Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
> > http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >
>
> tried your suggestions. No good. Uninstalled/reinstalled all network cards.
> Made up new network, new name, with network wizzard.
>
> Sucess, network up and running. May be after SP2 upgrade, the system needs
> a complete network reinstall??????
>
> Anyone thanks for your help.
>
> regards,
>
>
> Jeff