All who think SP2 is SOOOO great,

[Testy]

Ahh a former military man, that explains a lot of his drivel.

Testy

"jupiter is a man ^^^^^^^^^" > wrote in
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>On what do you base this on:
>>"SP2a sound like a much better choice which should be here
> by Xmas."
>>The likelihood of that happening is almost nonexistent and
> almost
>>without precedent other than these 2:
>>1. A Service Pack for NT with far greater problems than
> Windows SP-2.
>>2. Windows XP SP-1a released as part of a court
> settlement with Sun.
>>Microsoft Virtual Machine was removed from SP-1 changing
> it to SP-1a.
>>NOTHING else was changed even though there were numerous
> fixes already
>>available.
>>
>>Since SP-2 is 2, it is not the first release, SP-1 was.
>>If you wait for an update of SP-2, you will most likely
> wait forever
>>since the most likely event is SP-3 in a year or two.
>>
>>Instead research and prepare your computer:
>>http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
>>http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
>>
>>Or you can wait forever...your choice.
>>
>>--
>>Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>>
>>
>>"M$" > wrote in message
...
>>> Well that goes to show once again - NEVER INSTALL the
> first release
>>> on
>>> anything!!!!
>>>
>>> In 13 years I have never seen or heard of a good reason
> for doing
>>> so. While
>>> SP2 may have some needed fixes, it is NEVER so critical
> that it
>>> cannot wait
>>> a while till the major bugs are worked out. A set of
> good practices
>>> and
>>> common sense will go farther then any SP ever will in
> protecting
>>> your PC.
>>> What are the folks doing that have W2k, Win98, Me, etc.?
> No, the sky
>>> is not
>>> falling! SP2a sound like a much better choice which
> should be here
>>> by Xmas.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jim" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people
> are having
>>> problems
>>>> with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people
> (obviously
>>>> Microsoft
>>>> employees) say it so great.
>>>>
>>>> Well this will make the third time I've posted about
> this, so far
>>>> no help!
>>>>
>>>> Here's my problem:
>>>>
>>>> Installed service pack 2.
>>>>
>>>> It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
>>>> The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were
> gone. I
>>>> reconfigured,
>>>> Now my previously read mail, address book contacts,
> etc, are gone.
>>>> Plus,
>>>> now I'm not receiving any new mail.
>>>>
>>>> How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to
> recover some of
>>>> the mail.
>>>> Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was
> turned off.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks - Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>.
>>


---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.754 / Virus Database: 504 - Release Date: 9/6/2004

[Jim]

How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having problems
with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
employees) say it so great.

Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no help!

Here's my problem:

Installed service pack 2.

It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I reconfigured,
Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone. Plus,
now I'm not receiving any new mail.

How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the mail.
Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.

Thanks - Jim

[The Grass is greener]

On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:21:01 -0700, [Jim] said :-

>How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having problems
>with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
>employees) say it so great.

Define countless ?

The reports you see in this newsgroup and web write-ups will be those
that failed, you will hardly see any for those that have installed it
without trouble - that's why you came here. If you had no problem
whatever with the install, then you wouldn't say, would you ?

>
>Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no help!


When did you last post ?

As you're using that awful web interface, then it's probably you
that's not looking properly. Use a news reader (you say you're using
OE - so use that) and a proper news service supplier, even
msnews.microsoft.com from microsoft.


>Here's my problem:
>
>Installed service pack 2.
>
>It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
>The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I reconfigured,
>Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone.

Are you sure you're logging into the correct user ?

> Plus, now I'm not receiving any new mail.

Are you getting any error messages ? Check the firewall settings, SP2
will default its own as "on" (unless specific ones are in use).



Did you actually follow the correct procedure before installing SP2 ?

[Jon]

Search your harddrive for *.dbx files and *.wab files

Jon


"Jim" > wrote in message
...
> How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
> problems
> with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
> employees) say it so great.
>
> Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no help!
>
> Here's my problem:
>
> Installed service pack 2.
>
> It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
> The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I reconfigured,
> Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone. Plus,
> now I'm not receiving any new mail.
>
> How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the mail.
> Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.
>
> Thanks - Jim
>
>

JIM, I am sorry to here that you lost some email but, had
you actually followed the instruction for installing sp2
you would not have this problem.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/sp2_whattoknow.mspx

pay paticular note to: "Before You Download SP2":

7. Perform a full backup of all your files.

and

9. Close all open programs.(this includes Antivirus,
firewalls, messengers, any program that is running in the
background that are not part of the OS)

so stop crying about the service pack and learn how to use
it.


PS. if your DBX files are not on the drive then they are
most likley GONE.

OLEXP: Mail Folders, Address Book, and E-mail Messages Are
Missing After You Upgrade to Microsoft Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
us;313055

All the Best.

[Jon]

Then use File > Import to bring them in


"Jon" > wrote in message
...
> Search your harddrive for *.dbx files and *.wab files
>
> Jon
>
>
> "Jim" > wrote in message
> ...
>> How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
>> problems
>> with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
>> employees) say it so great.
>>
>> Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no
>> help!
>>
>> Here's my problem:
>>
>> Installed service pack 2.
>>
>> It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
>> The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I reconfigured,
>> Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone. Plus,
>> now I'm not receiving any new mail.
>>
>> How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the
>> mail.
>> Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.
>>
>> Thanks - Jim
>>
>>
>
>

[Jim]

"grass" you're not much help. Jon, Thanks - I did that and it said nothing
found, which seems odd. I know when SP2 was installing, it said it was
"backing up files."
Where did it backup to?

"Jon" wrote:

> Search your harddrive for *.dbx files and *.wab files
>
> Jon
>
>
> "Jim" > wrote in message
> ...
> > How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
> > problems
> > with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
> > employees) say it so great.
> >
> > Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no help!
> >
> > Here's my problem:
> >
> > Installed service pack 2.
> >
> > It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
> > The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I reconfigured,
> > Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone. Plus,
> > now I'm not receiving any new mail.
> >
> > How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the mail.
> > Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.
> >
> > Thanks - Jim
> >
> >
>
>
>

>7. Perform a full backup of all your files.

And just to make sure it's clear: System restore doesn't
count as a full backup of your files. (Even if Jim had
it running which was another problem.)

[Jon]

Try this
start > run > "wab /a"
See if your contacts are listed under any of the identities

Another possibility, is if you make any backups, to perhaps import the .dbx
files from a recent backup

Jon


"Jim" > wrote in message
...
> "grass" you're not much help. Jon, Thanks - I did that and it said
> nothing
> found, which seems odd. I know when SP2 was installing, it said it was
> "backing up files."
> Where did it backup to?
>
> "Jon" wrote:
>
>> Search your harddrive for *.dbx files and *.wab files
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>> "Jim" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
>> > problems
>> > with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
>> > employees) say it so great.
>> >
>> > Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no
>> > help!
>> >
>> > Here's my problem:
>> >
>> > Installed service pack 2.
>> >
>> > It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
>> > The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I
>> > reconfigured,
>> > Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone.
>> > Plus,
>> > now I'm not receiving any new mail.
>> >
>> > How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the
>> > mail.
>> > Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.
>> >
>> > Thanks - Jim
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>

[M$]

Well that goes to show once again - NEVER INSTALL the first release on
anything!!!!

In 13 years I have never seen or heard of a good reason for doing so. While
SP2 may have some needed fixes, it is NEVER so critical that it cannot wait
a while till the major bugs are worked out. A set of good practices and
common sense will go farther then any SP ever will in protecting your PC.
What are the folks doing that have W2k, Win98, Me, etc.? No, the sky is not
falling! SP2a sound like a much better choice which should be here by Xmas.


"Jim" > wrote in message
...
> How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
problems
> with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
> employees) say it so great.
>
> Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no help!
>
> Here's my problem:
>
> Installed service pack 2.
>
> It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
> The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I reconfigured,
> Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone. Plus,
> now I'm not receiving any new mail.
>
> How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the mail.
> Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.
>
> Thanks - Jim
>
>

[Frank Jelenko]

"Jim" > wrote in message
...
> How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
> problems
> with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
> employees) say it so great.
>
> Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no help!
>
> Here's my problem:
>
> Installed service pack 2.
>
> It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
> The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I reconfigured,
> Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone.

The previous messages should be stored in C:\Documents and Settings\[the
user you are set up as]\Local Settings\Applications\Identities\[some long
alpha-numeric character string]\Microsoft\Outlook Express.
I'm guessing you will see at least two different long alpha-numeric
character strings. One is the new one you just set up, one is the one you
were using before.
You can import the messages via File, Import, Messages, [choose the version
of Outlook Express], browse to the location above.

Your Windows Address Book [WAB] is stored in C:\Documents and Settings\[the
user you are set up as]\Applications\Microsoft\Address Book. There should
be at least two WAB files - one new one and one from your previous config.

Plus,
> now I'm not receiving any new mail.
Not sure about this one. I'd call you ISP/mail service provider. Even
though the problem may be with installing SP2, they should be able to
confirm you're set up right.

>
> How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the mail.
> Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.
>
> Thanks - Jim
>
>

[NoNoBadDog!]

Jim;

First of all, there are 2 reasons that you have received no responses;\

1. You failed to follow the installation instructions by not backing up
important data prior to installation.

2. The method used to recover Outlook Express files has been posted in this
newsgroup several times. You merely need to search for it.

In addition, the problem you are having can be solved by using Google.
Had you "Googled" your problem, you would have had it fixed by now.

Bobby

"Jim" > wrote in message
...
> How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
> problems
> with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
> employees) say it so great.
>
> Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no help!
>
> Here's my problem:
>
> Installed service pack 2.
>
> It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
> The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I reconfigured,
> Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone. Plus,
> now I'm not receiving any new mail.
>
> How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the mail.
> Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.
>
> Thanks - Jim
>
>

[Jon]

When you search your harddrive for *.dbx files and *.wab files make sure you
have the "Search hidden files and folders" and "Search system folders" boxes
checked in "More Advanced Options"
( after clicking "All files and folders" and putting *.dbx, *.wab in the
"All or part of the filename" box)

Jon


"Jim" > wrote in message
...
> "grass" you're not much help. Jon, Thanks - I did that and it said
> nothing
> found, which seems odd. I know when SP2 was installing, it said it was
> "backing up files."
> Where did it backup to?
>
> "Jon" wrote:
>
>> Search your harddrive for *.dbx files and *.wab files
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>> "Jim" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
>> > problems
>> > with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
>> > employees) say it so great.
>> >
>> > Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no
>> > help!
>> >
>> > Here's my problem:
>> >
>> > Installed service pack 2.
>> >
>> > It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
>> > The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I
>> > reconfigured,
>> > Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone.
>> > Plus,
>> > now I'm not receiving any new mail.
>> >
>> > How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the
>> > mail.
>> > Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.
>> >
>> > Thanks - Jim
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

On what do you base this on:
"SP2a sound like a much better choice which should be here by Xmas."
The likelihood of that happening is almost nonexistent and almost
without precedent other than these 2:
1. A Service Pack for NT with far greater problems than Windows SP-2.
2. Windows XP SP-1a released as part of a court settlement with Sun.
Microsoft Virtual Machine was removed from SP-1 changing it to SP-1a.
NOTHING else was changed even though there were numerous fixes already
available.

Since SP-2 is 2, it is not the first release, SP-1 was.
If you wait for an update of SP-2, you will most likely wait forever
since the most likely event is SP-3 in a year or two.

Instead research and prepare your computer:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm

Or you can wait forever...your choice.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"M$" > wrote in message
...
> Well that goes to show once again - NEVER INSTALL the first release
> on
> anything!!!!
>
> In 13 years I have never seen or heard of a good reason for doing
> so. While
> SP2 may have some needed fixes, it is NEVER so critical that it
> cannot wait
> a while till the major bugs are worked out. A set of good practices
> and
> common sense will go farther then any SP ever will in protecting
> your PC.
> What are the folks doing that have W2k, Win98, Me, etc.? No, the sky
> is not
> falling! SP2a sound like a much better choice which should be here
> by Xmas.
>
>
> "Jim" > wrote in message
> ...
>> How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
> problems
>> with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously
>> Microsoft
>> employees) say it so great.
>>
>> Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far
>> no help!
>>
>> Here's my problem:
>>
>> Installed service pack 2.
>>
>> It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
>> The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I
>> reconfigured,
>> Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone.
>> Plus,
>> now I'm not receiving any new mail.
>>
>> How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of
>> the mail.
>> Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.
>>
>> Thanks - Jim
>>
>>
>
>

>SP2a sound like a much better choice which should be
>here by Xmas.

Are you aware that SP1a was just SP1 with one feature
removed and that was because MS lost a lawsuit? Service
Pacs usually aren't changed. People just imagine them to
be better as time goes on because there's less
hype/news/complaints.

[Jim]

"anonymous" I get asked to install updates all the time. this is the only
one that screwed up my system. If there were all types of "procedures" that
needed adhering to for SP2, Microsoft should have given a tad more notice.
No offense, but we users don't have time to be computer geeks. We don't want
to know how our TV works either. We just want it to work!

" wrote:

> JIM, I am sorry to here that you lost some email but, had
> you actually followed the instruction for installing sp2
> you would not have this problem.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/sp2_whattoknow.mspx
>
> pay paticular note to: "Before You Download SP2":
>
> 7. Perform a full backup of all your files.
>
> and
>
> 9. Close all open programs.(this includes Antivirus,
> firewalls, messengers, any program that is running in the
> background that are not part of the OS)
>
> so stop crying about the service pack and learn how to use
> it.
>
>
> PS. if your DBX files are not on the drive then they are
> most likley GONE.
>
> OLEXP: Mail Folders, Address Book, and E-mail Messages Are
> Missing After You Upgrade to Microsoft Windows XP
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
> us;313055
>
> All the Best.
>

[Jim]

Jon & Frank, I've been able to recover most stuff (except my address book).
THANKS!
"Frank Jelenko" wrote:

>
> "Jim" > wrote in message
> ...
> > How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
> > problems
> > with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
> > employees) say it so great.
> >
> > Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no help!
> >
> > Here's my problem:
> >
> > Installed service pack 2.
> >
> > It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
> > The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I reconfigured,
> > Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone.
>
> The previous messages should be stored in C:\Documents and Settings\[the
> user you are set up as]\Local Settings\Applications\Identities\[some long
> alpha-numeric character string]\Microsoft\Outlook Express.
> I'm guessing you will see at least two different long alpha-numeric
> character strings. One is the new one you just set up, one is the one you
> were using before.
> You can import the messages via File, Import, Messages, [choose the version
> of Outlook Express], browse to the location above.
>
> Your Windows Address Book [WAB] is stored in C:\Documents and Settings\[the
> user you are set up as]\Applications\Microsoft\Address Book. There should
> be at least two WAB files - one new one and one from your previous config.
>
> Plus,
> > now I'm not receiving any new mail.
> Not sure about this one. I'd call you ISP/mail service provider. Even
> though the problem may be with installing SP2, they should be able to
> confirm you're set up right.
>
> >
> > How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the mail.
> > Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.
> >
> > Thanks - Jim
> >
> >
>
>
>

I've got news for you Jim. I've had three updates that
have crashed my computer. (Though never a service pack.)

ALWAYS backup before installing ANYTHING. ALWAYS backup
anything important. These are the most basic rules of
using any computer. Not backing up is like not fastening
your seatbelt or jumping out of a plane without a
parachute.

Software goes wrong, disks crash, users make mistakes,
computers get stolen or hacked.

BACKUP ANYTHING IMPORTANT!!!!!!

>don't want to know how our TV works either.

I'll bet you know that you shouldn't stick your tongue
inside it. Backing up your data is about the same as
that.

[Barry Watzman]

In my opinion, SP2 is a great upgrade.

However, also in my opinion, Microsoft was too confident (incorrectly,
as it turned out) that virtually no users would have any major problems
with it.

In Microsoft's defense, the amount of testing that they did was
unprecedented, and I don't think that there is anything more that they
could have done to have made this release more "problem free". Part of
the "problem" is that the user base is not "techies", and doesn't even
know what a BIOS, Prescott or Firewall are, much less how to use any of
them.

The lesson here is that you just can't release an upgrade of this
magnitude which is going to be so problem free for everyone that you
should go out and tell the entire world to just turn on automatic
updates and get it automatically. Hopefully, this is a lesson that MS
has now leared as well.

[jupiter is a man ^^^^^^^^^]

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/kimball.mspx















>-----Original Message-----
>On what do you base this on:
>"SP2a sound like a much better choice which should be here
by Xmas."
>The likelihood of that happening is almost nonexistent and
almost
>without precedent other than these 2:
>1. A Service Pack for NT with far greater problems than
Windows SP-2.
>2. Windows XP SP-1a released as part of a court
settlement with Sun.
>Microsoft Virtual Machine was removed from SP-1 changing
it to SP-1a.
>NOTHING else was changed even though there were numerous
fixes already
>available.
>
>Since SP-2 is 2, it is not the first release, SP-1 was.
>If you wait for an update of SP-2, you will most likely
wait forever
>since the most likely event is SP-3 in a year or two.
>
>Instead research and prepare your computer:
>http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
>http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
>
>Or you can wait forever...your choice.
>
>--
>Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>
>
>"M$" > wrote in message
...
>> Well that goes to show once again - NEVER INSTALL the
first release
>> on
>> anything!!!!
>>
>> In 13 years I have never seen or heard of a good reason
for doing
>> so. While
>> SP2 may have some needed fixes, it is NEVER so critical
that it
>> cannot wait
>> a while till the major bugs are worked out. A set of
good practices
>> and
>> common sense will go farther then any SP ever will in
protecting
>> your PC.
>> What are the folks doing that have W2k, Win98, Me, etc.?
No, the sky
>> is not
>> falling! SP2a sound like a much better choice which
should be here
>> by Xmas.
>>
>>
>> "Jim" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people
are having
>> problems
>>> with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people
(obviously
>>> Microsoft
>>> employees) say it so great.
>>>
>>> Well this will make the third time I've posted about
this, so far
>>> no help!
>>>
>>> Here's my problem:
>>>
>>> Installed service pack 2.
>>>
>>> It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
>>> The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were
gone. I
>>> reconfigured,
>>> Now my previously read mail, address book contacts,
etc, are gone.
>>> Plus,
>>> now I'm not receiving any new mail.
>>>
>>> How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to
recover some of
>>> the mail.
>>> Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was
turned off.
>>>
>>> Thanks - Jim
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>.
>

[Jim]

To Jon & Frank......THANKS! To all who say we should've known this update
was drastically different from the myriad of updates I get every few weeks,
well, use your imagination!

"NoNoBadDog!" wrote:

> Jim;
>
> First of all, there are 2 reasons that you have received no responses;\
>
> 1. You failed to follow the installation instructions by not backing up
> important data prior to installation.
>
> 2. The method used to recover Outlook Express files has been posted in this
> newsgroup several times. You merely need to search for it.
>
> In addition, the problem you are having can be solved by using Google.
> Had you "Googled" your problem, you would have had it fixed by now.
>
> Bobby
>
> "Jim" > wrote in message
> ...
> > How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
> > problems
> > with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
> > employees) say it so great.
> >
> > Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no help!
> >
> > Here's my problem:
> >
> > Installed service pack 2.
> >
> > It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
> > The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I reconfigured,
> > Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone. Plus,
> > now I'm not receiving any new mail.
> >
> > How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the mail.
> > Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.
> >
> > Thanks - Jim
> >
> >
>
>
>

[Jon]

Excellent :)

[PS I think Frank meant here for the address book

C:\Documents and Settings\[Your username]\Application Data\Microsoft\Address
Book

Click on the .wab files]


"Jim" > wrote in message
...
> To Jon & Frank......THANKS! To all who say we should've known this update
> was drastically different from the myriad of updates I get every few
> weeks,
> well, use your imagination!
>
> "NoNoBadDog!" wrote:
>
>> Jim;
>>
>> First of all, there are 2 reasons that you have received no responses;\
>>
>> 1. You failed to follow the installation instructions by not backing up
>> important data prior to installation.
>>
>> 2. The method used to recover Outlook Express files has been posted in
>> this
>> newsgroup several times. You merely need to search for it.
>>
>> In addition, the problem you are having can be solved by using Google.
>> Had you "Googled" your problem, you would have had it fixed by now.
>>
>> Bobby
>>
>> "Jim" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
>> > problems
>> > with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
>> > employees) say it so great.
>> >
>> > Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no
>> > help!
>> >
>> > Here's my problem:
>> >
>> > Installed service pack 2.
>> >
>> > It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
>> > The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I
>> > reconfigured,
>> > Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone.
>> > Plus,
>> > now I'm not receiving any new mail.
>> >
>> > How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the
>> > mail.
>> > Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.
>> >
>> > Thanks - Jim
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>

[Jon]

NB Also the folders may be hidden on your system so you may need to

Open "My Computer"
Tools > Internet Options > View > Check "Show hidden files and folders"
> Uncheck "Hide protected
operating system files"
> ok

Then try navigating to the folders as previously

May be able to retrieve a bit more this way

Jon



"Jon" > wrote in message
...
> Excellent :)
>
> [PS I think Frank meant here for the address book
>
> C:\Documents and Settings\[Your username]\Application
> Data\Microsoft\Address Book
>
> Click on the .wab files]
>
>
> "Jim" > wrote in message
> ...
>> To Jon & Frank......THANKS! To all who say we should've known this
>> update
>> was drastically different from the myriad of updates I get every few
>> weeks,
>> well, use your imagination!
>>
>> "NoNoBadDog!" wrote:
>>
>>> Jim;
>>>
>>> First of all, there are 2 reasons that you have received no
>>> responses;\
>>>
>>> 1. You failed to follow the installation instructions by not backing up
>>> important data prior to installation.
>>>
>>> 2. The method used to recover Outlook Express files has been posted in
>>> this
>>> newsgroup several times. You merely need to search for it.
>>>
>>> In addition, the problem you are having can be solved by using Google.
>>> Had you "Googled" your problem, you would have had it fixed by now.
>>>
>>> Bobby
>>>
>>> "Jim" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
>>> > problems
>>> > with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
>>> > employees) say it so great.
>>> >
>>> > Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no
>>> > help!
>>> >
>>> > Here's my problem:
>>> >
>>> > Installed service pack 2.
>>> >
>>> > It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
>>> > The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I
>>> > reconfigured,
>>> > Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone.
>>> > Plus,
>>> > now I'm not receiving any new mail.
>>> >
>>> > How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the
>>> > mail.
>>> > Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks - Jim
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

The information I posted earlier was avaliable a month
before the service pack was released. (if not longer)

In reply to your wanting your TV to work

You don't have to know how to read to use a TV.








>-----Original Message-----
>"anonymous" I get asked to install updates all the
time. this is the only
>one that screwed up my system. If there were all types
of "procedures" that
>needed adhering to for SP2, Microsoft should have given
a tad more notice.
>No offense, but we users don't have time to be computer
geeks. We don't want
>to know how our TV works either. We just want it to
work!
>
" wrote:
>
>> JIM, I am sorry to here that you lost some email but,
had
>> you actually followed the instruction for installing
sp2
>> you would not have this problem.
>>
>>
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/sp2_whattoknow.mspx
>>
>> pay paticular note to: "Before You Download SP2":
>>
>> 7. Perform a full backup of all your files.
>>
>> and
>>
>> 9. Close all open programs.(this includes Antivirus,
>> firewalls, messengers, any program that is running in
the
>> background that are not part of the OS)
>>
>> so stop crying about the service pack and learn how to
use
>> it.
>>
>>
>> PS. if your DBX files are not on the drive then they
are
>> most likley GONE.
>>
>> OLEXP: Mail Folders, Address Book, and E-mail Messages
Are
>> Missing After You Upgrade to Microsoft Windows XP
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
>> us;313055
>>
>> All the Best.
>>
>.
>

[Miss Perspicacia Tick]

Jim wrote:
> "anonymous" I get asked to install updates all the time. this is the
> only one that screwed up my system. If there were all types of
> "procedures" that needed adhering to for SP2, Microsoft should have
> given a tad more notice. No offense, but we users don't have time to
> be computer geeks. We don't want to know how our TV works either.
> We just want it to work!


And indeed it does. MS makes no allowance for PEBCAK errors. I backed up,
patched my software, updated drivers, defragged, scanned for viruses and
spy/malware and - guess what?! - zero problems.

If you fail to prepare - prepare to fail.

Funny that...

Another couple of points.

1) System Restore does *NOT* switch itself of. You must have turned it
off and forgotten to turn it back on.

2) System restore has no effect on personal files. It backs up and
restores system files only. Data files are *NOT* recorded. SR is *NOT* a
back up application and should not be treated as such. If you want to back
up your system (and I do weekly) then I suggest you purchase an imaging
application. Drive Image 7 was my application of choice but, when Symantec
bought PowerQuest they discontinued it. I have heard good things about Ghost
9, though I haven't used it myself.



--
My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
lose his marbles?

[Rock]

Testy wrote:

> Ahh a former military man, that explains a lot of his drivel.
>
> Testy
>
> "jupiter is a man ^^^^^^^^^" > wrote in
> message ...
>
>>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/kimball.mspx
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>On what do you base this on:
>>>"SP2a sound like a much better choice which should be here
>>
>>by Xmas."
>>
>>>The likelihood of that happening is almost nonexistent and
>>
>>almost
>>
>>>without precedent other than these 2:
>>>1. A Service Pack for NT with far greater problems than
>>
>>Windows SP-2.
>>
>>>2. Windows XP SP-1a released as part of a court
>>
>>settlement with Sun.
>>
>>>Microsoft Virtual Machine was removed from SP-1 changing
>>
>>it to SP-1a.
>>
>>>NOTHING else was changed even though there were numerous
>>
>>fixes already
>>
>>>available.
>>>
>>>Since SP-2 is 2, it is not the first release, SP-1 was.
>>>If you wait for an update of SP-2, you will most likely
>>
>>wait forever
>>
>>>since the most likely event is SP-3 in a year or two.
>>>
>>>Instead research and prepare your computer:
>>>http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
>>>http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
>>>
>>>Or you can wait forever...your choice.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>>http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>>>
>>>
>>>"M$" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>>Well that goes to show once again - NEVER INSTALL the
>>
>>first release
>>
>>>>on
>>>>anything!!!!
>>>>
>>>>In 13 years I have never seen or heard of a good reason
>>
>>for doing
>>
>>>>so. While
>>>>SP2 may have some needed fixes, it is NEVER so critical
>>
>>that it
>>
>>>>cannot wait
>>>>a while till the major bugs are worked out. A set of
>>
>>good practices
>>
>>>>and
>>>>common sense will go farther then any SP ever will in
>>
>>protecting
>>
>>>>your PC.
>>>>What are the folks doing that have W2k, Win98, Me, etc.?
>>
>>No, the sky
>>
>>>>is not
>>>>falling! SP2a sound like a much better choice which
>>
>>should be here
>>
>>>>by Xmas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Jim" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>>How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people
>>
>>are having
>>
>>>>problems
>>>>
>>>>>with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people
>>
>>(obviously
>>
>>>>>Microsoft
>>>>>employees) say it so great.
>>>>>
>>>>>Well this will make the third time I've posted about
>>
>>this, so far
>>
>>>>>no help!
>>>>>
>>>>>Here's my problem:
>>>>>
>>>>>Installed service pack 2.
>>>>>
>>>>>It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
>>>>>The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were
>>
>>gone. I
>>
>>>>>reconfigured,
>>>>>Now my previously read mail, address book contacts,
>>
>>etc, are gone.
>>
>>>>>Plus,
>>>>>now I'm not receiving any new mail.
>>>>>
>>>>>How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to
>>
>>recover some of
>>
>>>>>the mail.
>>>>>Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was
>>
>>turned off.
>>
>>>>>Thanks - Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>.
>>>
>
>
>
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.754 / Virus Database: 504 - Release Date: 9/6/2004

Fix your date and time.

[M$]

I always get a kick out of people who make something like a SP their
religion. What religious fervor!

This is just to funny!!!! Everyone must install SP2 NOW!!!! or all you SP2
infidels will be shot!!!

Decreed by SP Osama

CNN is reporting that a sleeper cell has high jacked emails and is going to
crush them into Windows XP machines that do not have SP2 installed! Quick
install SP2! Dumb, too late! You have been terrorized! Too bad, you were
warned by the MS FBI but failed to take appropriate action.


Ha! Ha!

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> On what do you base this on:
> "SP2a sound like a much better choice which should be here by Xmas."
> The likelihood of that happening is almost nonexistent and almost
> without precedent other than these 2:
> 1. A Service Pack for NT with far greater problems than Windows SP-2.
> 2. Windows XP SP-1a released as part of a court settlement with Sun.
> Microsoft Virtual Machine was removed from SP-1 changing it to SP-1a.
> NOTHING else was changed even though there were numerous fixes already
> available.
>
> Since SP-2 is 2, it is not the first release, SP-1 was.
> If you wait for an update of SP-2, you will most likely wait forever
> since the most likely event is SP-3 in a year or two.
>
> Instead research and prepare your computer:
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
>
> Or you can wait forever...your choice.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>
>
> "M$" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Well that goes to show once again - NEVER INSTALL the first release
> > on
> > anything!!!!
> >
> > In 13 years I have never seen or heard of a good reason for doing
> > so. While
> > SP2 may have some needed fixes, it is NEVER so critical that it
> > cannot wait
> > a while till the major bugs are worked out. A set of good practices
> > and
> > common sense will go farther then any SP ever will in protecting
> > your PC.
> > What are the folks doing that have W2k, Win98, Me, etc.? No, the sky
> > is not
> > falling! SP2a sound like a much better choice which should be here
> > by Xmas.
> >
> >
> > "Jim" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
> > problems
> >> with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously
> >> Microsoft
> >> employees) say it so great.
> >>
> >> Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far
> >> no help!
> >>
> >> Here's my problem:
> >>
> >> Installed service pack 2.
> >>
> >> It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
> >> The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I
> >> reconfigured,
> >> Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone.
> >> Plus,
> >> now I'm not receiving any new mail.
> >>
> >> How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of
> >> the mail.
> >> Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.
> >>
> >> Thanks - Jim
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

[Jim]

"Miss Perspicacia Tick" and "Anonimous"

Do you also overhaul your car's engine everytime you get a new tank of gas?
Geez, you computer people crack me up! I'm supposed to get 75 CD's and
backup my 60 gig HD, defrag, update all software, paint my house, resod my
lawn, etc, every time Microsoft sends an update? GET REAL!

"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote:

> Jim wrote:
> > "anonymous" I get asked to install updates all the time. this is the
> > only one that screwed up my system. If there were all types of
> > "procedures" that needed adhering to for SP2, Microsoft should have
> > given a tad more notice. No offense, but we users don't have time to
> > be computer geeks. We don't want to know how our TV works either.
> > We just want it to work!
>
>
> And indeed it does. MS makes no allowance for PEBCAK errors. I backed up,
> patched my software, updated drivers, defragged, scanned for viruses and
> spy/malware and - guess what?! - zero problems.
>
> If you fail to prepare - prepare to fail.
>
> Funny that...
>
> Another couple of points.
>
> 1) System Restore does *NOT* switch itself of. You must have turned it
> off and forgotten to turn it back on.
>
> 2) System restore has no effect on personal files. It backs up and
> restores system files only. Data files are *NOT* recorded. SR is *NOT* a
> back up application and should not be treated as such. If you want to back
> up your system (and I do weekly) then I suggest you purchase an imaging
> application. Drive Image 7 was my application of choice but, when Symantec
> bought PowerQuest they discontinued it. I have heard good things about Ghost
> 9, though I haven't used it myself.
>
>
>
> --
> My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
> lose his marbles?
>
>
>
>

[Stephen Harris]

"Jim" > wrote in message
...
> How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
> problems
> with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
> employees) say it so great.
>

Nope, I am a computer tech and this is the best ever Service Pack.
Windows Firewall let's you have a small home network without
having to be a techy.

Your email is still there, but it is in a different folder,
look it up on groups.google.com
type in keywords in the search window

Upgrade to XP SP2 has deleted all my old e-mail messages
reply by Steve Cochran
6. How does one backup and restore or transfer OE messages and settings:

See: http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/backup/index.htm
http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx

Note that there is also a link in this article to MVP David Guess's free
OEBackup programs (www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/) or

http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/ oebackupfull2.9.zip

- the full installation with all support files.

In a high volume newsgroup some posts are going to get overlooked.
It is practically quicker and more efficient to use Google in many cases.

http://support.microsoft.com/?id=kb;en-us;q313055
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspxkbid=842242&product=windowsxpsp2

Netscape changed the location of where email was stored
between version 6 and version 7, which was then not
automatically imported. Some people change the default
storage location on the hard drive so import needs to be
done manually. A minor inconvenience.

Use your OE backup if you can't find these files. You have
been told many times to make backups and for SP2 you
were told again to make a backup of important files. When
you run into a problem which could be corrected by having
a backup it is nobody's fault but your own that you have a
problem because creating a backup was just too much for
you to trouble yourself with. So instead of accepting this
responsibility you try to put the blame on Microsoft.
Computers were only invented about 55 years ago.
Software that runs on them will not approach perfection
for centuries to come. That is why you need backups.

You remind me of people who drive cars and never choose
to check the oil even though they know they are "supposed" to.
I've installed Sp2 for eleven clients. Nine no problems. One
required a re-installation of a program. The other needed the
service pack upgrade rerun from the harddrive.


> Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no help!
>
> Here's my problem:
>
> Installed service pack 2.
>
> It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
> The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I reconfigured,
> Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone. Plus,
> now I'm not receiving any new mail.
>
> How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the mail.
> Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.
>
> Thanks - Jim
>

If you can be bothered to read my email and the links contained therein,
you will find the solution to recover your files.

>-----Original Message-----
>"Miss Perspicacia Tick" and "Anonimous"
>
>Do you also overhaul your car's engine everytime you get
>a new tank of gas?

No and I don't overhaul my computer when new electrons go
into it either. I do however, wear my seatbelt, keep my
tires properly inflated, keep my coolant and oil levels
appropriate, rotate my tires, check my transmission and
break fluid etc.

I also balance my checkbook, clean my gutters, dust, take
out the trash and backup my computer.

>Geez, you computer people crack me up!

If your data isn't important then why did you complain
when you thought you had lost it?

If you want to treat your computer like a TV, go ahead.
But don't be surprised when your computer does as good a
job at saving your data as your TV does at saving your
shows.

75 CDs? You have that much email? Please at least drag
yourself into the 1990s and use DVDs. Consider backing
up to other disks as well. I can do a full image of my
system in under 30 minutes with no user interaction. (ie
I watch my TV while my computer backs itself up.)

[Stephen Harris]

"Jim" > wrote in message
...
> "anonymous" I get asked to install updates all the time. this is the only
> one that screwed up my system. If there were all types of "procedures"
> that
> needed adhering to for SP2, Microsoft should have given a tad more notice.
> No offense, but we users don't have time to be computer geeks. We don't
> want
> to know how our TV works either. We just want it to work!
>

You've been told for years to make backups. You don't get to decide
which procedure requires a backup because you are ignorant of the
facts to make such a decision. MS has been telling people to make
backups since win95 at least. You knew it and you ignored establish
routine maintenance procedure.

Which means I don't know how to fix a carburator but that doesn't
excuse me from checking the air pressure for tires and fluid levels
which is part of routine maintenance.

There is a big difference between being a geek and being computer
literate and computer literacy is needed to install a Service Pack.
You seem to have some expectations of how well computers function
which ignores reality. Your fantasy about how computers should
work won't come nearly true for thousands of years. You are computer
illiterate and too arrogant to read the instructions. Maybe you are still
a teenager who hasn't grown up yet, of course maybe you are just an
alcoholic adult whose emotional immaturity demands blaming others
for the problems you bring on yourself. I had that painful experience.

Are you aware that you sound like a kid or some kind of addict?



> " wrote:
>
>> JIM, I am sorry to here that you lost some email but, had
>> you actually followed the instruction for installing sp2
>> you would not have this problem.
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/sp2_whattoknow.mspx
>>
>> pay paticular note to: "Before You Download SP2":
>>
>> 7. Perform a full backup of all your files.
>>
>> and
>>
>> 9. Close all open programs.(this includes Antivirus,
>> firewalls, messengers, any program that is running in the
>> background that are not part of the OS)
>>
>> so stop crying about the service pack and learn how to use
>> it.
>>
>>
>> PS. if your DBX files are not on the drive then they are
>> most likley GONE.
>>
>> OLEXP: Mail Folders, Address Book, and E-mail Messages Are
>> Missing After You Upgrade to Microsoft Windows XP
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
>> us;313055
>>
>> All the Best.
>>

[Stephen Harris]

"Barry Watzman" > wrote in message
...
> In my opinion, SP2 is a great upgrade.
>
> However, also in my opinion, Microsoft was too confident (incorrectly, as
> it turned out) that virtually no users would have any major problems with
> it.
>

A recent survey of 44,000 SP2 ugrades showed 90% had no problems.
That percentage is not equal to "virtually no users would have any major
problems with it." However, I never saw a claim made by Microsoft that
virtually no user would have major problems. Do you have a reference
for your wording from a Microsoft source? I can't believe they said anything
that stupid, but I suppose it is possible... computer just don't work that
way.

> In Microsoft's defense, the amount of testing that they did was
> unprecedented, and I don't think that there is anything more that they
> could have done to have made this release more "problem free". Part of
> the "problem" is that the user base is not "techies", and doesn't even
> know what a BIOS, Prescott or Firewall are, much less how to use any of
> them.
>

No they are not techies. But I don't think they need to be techies, just
computer literate. Backups are not difficult, and I think computer literacy
is enough to make a backup. So again I disagree with a position that you
use (the other description is "virtually"). The "problem" is that though 99%
of users have heard advice stressing making backups maybe 10% practice
making backups. They have the 'can't be bothered attitude' or the 'it will
never happen to me' superiority complex. I don't think it is Microsoft's
fault or responsibility that people have to learn the hard way.

> The lesson here is that you just can't release an upgrade of this
> magnitude which is going to be so problem free for everyone that you
> should go out and tell the entire world to just turn on automatic updates
> and get it automatically. Hopefully, this is a lesson that MS has now
> leared as well.

Again, I think there is a problem with this conclusion. In your words:
> In my opinion, SP2 is a great upgrade.

I think that means it should be released. Now by what method? What
is the alternative method that eliminates the upgrade from reaching
the hands of people who don't make backups (so that they can fix
any resulting problems) or discriminates their level of computer
expertise. Should they fill out a questionaire in order to qualify?

I think automatic updates is as good as making a large download
or ordering a cd. Yes, a few people have automatically download
and install updates enabled. And if that were not enabled they might
choose not to install SP2; they might decide well I don't have a backup
and I'm a computer dummy so I better hire somebody or just do without.
But any update has the potential of causing a problem on a computer.
So that means all the beneficial updates will not get installed (if you
turn off automatic download and install) by all people who don't know
enough to login into Microsoft and check for updates. There is always
going to be a gap in whatever release method is chosen.

Computers have not evolved to the state where the users do not have to
take responsibility for how the computer is used. If a user knows that
they have not made a backup (and very few users are unaware that they
ought to have a backup) and they are not very competent with using a
computer, then they can hire somebody or turn off automatic updates.

I think it would be a ghastly moral mistake to deprive some users from
this upgrade in order to protect some users like Jim, who exactly deserves
his problem. The "problem" really is that he has no backup of important
email, not that there is an inconvenience of the SP2 installation procedure.
No upgrade can ever be created which will install correctly on all
computers.
So I don't see anything wrong with the MS approch to the best practical
result. It is a common thing in life that there are no rules available to
find
a perfect way of taking census in order to apportion government seats
by population. Neither the census nor the apportioning method.

I mean do you think MS should learn the lesson to turn off all automatic
updates? SP2 is just a collection of updates. Which ones should not
be made available for public distribution? Many of the SP2 updates
were released prior to SP2. There is no possible way of predicting
which update will cause a problem on which user machine. That is a
mathematical principle. Since you might think I am overstating the
case I will provide a reference (also since I asked for one from you).
http://www.cis.udel.edu/~case/colt.html

I notice you did not provide an alternative solution.

Much of this is associated with game theory,
Stephen

[Stephen Harris]

"Jim" > wrote in message
...
> To Jon & Frank......THANKS! To all who say we should've known this update
> was drastically different from the myriad of updates I get every few
> weeks,
> well, use your imagination!
>

Again, that is not the point. If you make backups you don't have to
worry about whether an update is drastic or not. There is no "we"
to it except for other people who are too superior to make backups.
You are the problem, not the Service Pack. You don't know enough
to use Google to solve your problem, yet you feel qualified to make
pronouncements about the quality of a service pack release.


> "NoNoBadDog!" wrote:
>
>> Jim;
>>
>> First of all, there are 2 reasons that you have received no responses;\
>>
>> 1. You failed to follow the installation instructions by not backing up
>> important data prior to installation.
>>
>> 2. The method used to recover Outlook Express files has been posted in
>> this
>> newsgroup several times. You merely need to search for it.
>>
>> In addition, the problem you are having can be solved by using Google.
>> Had you "Googled" your problem, you would have had it fixed by now.
>>
>> Bobby
>>
>> "Jim" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
>> > problems
>> > with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
>> > employees) say it so great.
>> >
>> > Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no
>> > help!
>> >
>> > Here's my problem:
>> >
>> > Installed service pack 2.
>> >
>> > It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
>> > The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I
>> > reconfigured,
>> > Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone.
>> > Plus,
>> > now I'm not receiving any new mail.
>> >
>> > How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the
>> > mail.
>> > Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.
>> >
>> > Thanks - Jim
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>

[Don Taylor]

"Stephen Harris" > writes:
>"Barry Watzman" > wrote in message
...
>> In my opinion, SP2 is a great upgrade.
>> However, also in my opinion, Microsoft was too confident (incorrectly, as
>> it turned out) that virtually no users would have any major problems with
>> it.

>A recent survey of 44,000 SP2 ugrades showed 90% had no problems.

Excuse me, but wasn't that the same survey where they looked at the
machines and 10% of them had one or more of the files on the
"potential problem software list"?

That really has very little to do with whether randomly selected
people doing upgrades have problems or not. Many folks here have
claimed they don't have any of those items and have had problems.
Other claim to have some of those items and don't have problems.

I'd DEARLY love to see the results of a phone poll of 10,000 randomly
selected individuals who downloaded SP2 and ask how many of them
saw a problem when they did this. And as someone previously pointed
out, just because you haven't seen a problem often doesn't say much,
you may only exercise a few percent of all the stuff installed
there, or maybe only exercise a small part of it immediately after
doing SP2.

But, if you have the source of 44,000 randomly selected individuals
who really did the upgrade and then reported whether they had
problems or not I'd REALLY like to see the raw data.

(And if 10% of the 50 million pc's in the country got whacked with
a problem think what your 5 million customers think of you about now)

Thank you

>That percentage is not equal to "virtually no users would have any major
>problems with it." However, I never saw a claim made by Microsoft that
>virtually no user would have major problems. Do you have a reference
>for your wording from a Microsoft source? I can't believe they said anything
>that stupid, but I suppose it is possible... computer just don't work that
>way.

>> In Microsoft's defense, the amount of testing that they did was
>> unprecedented, and I don't think that there is anything more that they
>> could have done to have made this release more "problem free". Part of
>> the "problem" is that the user base is not "techies", and doesn't even
>> know what a BIOS, Prescott or Firewall are, much less how to use any of
>> them.
>>

>No they are not techies. But I don't think they need to be techies, just
>computer literate. Backups are not difficult, and I think computer literacy
>is enough to make a backup. So again I disagree with a position that you
>use (the other description is "virtually"). The "problem" is that though 99%
>of users have heard advice stressing making backups maybe 10% practice
>making backups. They have the 'can't be bothered attitude' or the 'it will
>never happen to me' superiority complex. I don't think it is Microsoft's
>fault or responsibility that people have to learn the hard way.

>> The lesson here is that you just can't release an upgrade of this
>> magnitude which is going to be so problem free for everyone that you
>> should go out and tell the entire world to just turn on automatic updates
>> and get it automatically. Hopefully, this is a lesson that MS has now
>> leared as well.

>Again, I think there is a problem with this conclusion. In your words:
>> In my opinion, SP2 is a great upgrade.

>I think that means it should be released. Now by what method? What
>is the alternative method that eliminates the upgrade from reaching
>the hands of people who don't make backups (so that they can fix
>any resulting problems) or discriminates their level of computer
>expertise. Should they fill out a questionaire in order to qualify?

>I think automatic updates is as good as making a large download
>or ordering a cd. Yes, a few people have automatically download
>and install updates enabled. And if that were not enabled they might
>choose not to install SP2; they might decide well I don't have a backup
>and I'm a computer dummy so I better hire somebody or just do without.
>But any update has the potential of causing a problem on a computer.
>So that means all the beneficial updates will not get installed (if you
>turn off automatic download and install) by all people who don't know
>enough to login into Microsoft and check for updates. There is always
>going to be a gap in whatever release method is chosen.

>Computers have not evolved to the state where the users do not have to
>take responsibility for how the computer is used. If a user knows that
>they have not made a backup (and very few users are unaware that they
>ought to have a backup) and they are not very competent with using a
>computer, then they can hire somebody or turn off automatic updates.

>I think it would be a ghastly moral mistake to deprive some users from
>this upgrade in order to protect some users like Jim, who exactly deserves
>his problem. The "problem" really is that he has no backup of important
>email, not that there is an inconvenience of the SP2 installation procedure.
>No upgrade can ever be created which will install correctly on all
>computers.
>So I don't see anything wrong with the MS approch to the best practical
>result. It is a common thing in life that there are no rules available to
>find
>a perfect way of taking census in order to apportion government seats
>by population. Neither the census nor the apportioning method.

>I mean do you think MS should learn the lesson to turn off all automatic
>updates? SP2 is just a collection of updates. Which ones should not
>be made available for public distribution? Many of the SP2 updates
>were released prior to SP2. There is no possible way of predicting
>which update will cause a problem on which user machine. That is a
>mathematical principle. Since you might think I am overstating the
>case I will provide a reference (also since I asked for one from you).
>http://www.cis.udel.edu/~case/colt.html

>I notice you did not provide an alternative solution.

>Much of this is associated with game theory,
>Stephen

[Jim]

Wow "Anonimous & Stephen Harris"

you guys have got it all figured out, don't you? hehe

"Stephen Harris" wrote:

>
> "Jim" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "anonymous" I get asked to install updates all the time. this is the only
> > one that screwed up my system. If there were all types of "procedures"
> > that
> > needed adhering to for SP2, Microsoft should have given a tad more notice.
> > No offense, but we users don't have time to be computer geeks. We don't
> > want
> > to know how our TV works either. We just want it to work!
> >
>
> You've been told for years to make backups. You don't get to decide
> which procedure requires a backup because you are ignorant of the
> facts to make such a decision. MS has been telling people to make
> backups since win95 at least. You knew it and you ignored establish
> routine maintenance procedure.
>
> Which means I don't know how to fix a carburator but that doesn't
> excuse me from checking the air pressure for tires and fluid levels
> which is part of routine maintenance.
>
> There is a big difference between being a geek and being computer
> literate and computer literacy is needed to install a Service Pack.
> You seem to have some expectations of how well computers function
> which ignores reality. Your fantasy about how computers should
> work won't come nearly true for thousands of years. You are computer
> illiterate and too arrogant to read the instructions. Maybe you are still
> a teenager who hasn't grown up yet, of course maybe you are just an
> alcoholic adult whose emotional immaturity demands blaming others
> for the problems you bring on yourself. I had that painful experience.
>
> Are you aware that you sound like a kid or some kind of addict?
>
>
>
> > " wrote:
> >
> >> JIM, I am sorry to here that you lost some email but, had
> >> you actually followed the instruction for installing sp2
> >> you would not have this problem.
> >>
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/sp2_whattoknow.mspx
> >>
> >> pay paticular note to: "Before You Download SP2":
> >>
> >> 7. Perform a full backup of all your files.
> >>
> >> and
> >>
> >> 9. Close all open programs.(this includes Antivirus,
> >> firewalls, messengers, any program that is running in the
> >> background that are not part of the OS)
> >>
> >> so stop crying about the service pack and learn how to use
> >> it.
> >>
> >>
> >> PS. if your DBX files are not on the drive then they are
> >> most likley GONE.
> >>
> >> OLEXP: Mail Folders, Address Book, and E-mail Messages Are
> >> Missing After You Upgrade to Microsoft Windows XP
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
> >> us;313055
> >>
> >> All the Best.
> >>
>
>
>

[Jim]

You "techies" crack me up! A bunch of people have had this and others
problems, but it's not Microsofts fault it changed my data, it's the
customer's fault. If these were tires and this many probs, it would be
recalled!

"Stephen Harris" wrote:

>
> "Jim" > wrote in message
> ...
> > How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
> > problems
> > with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
> > employees) say it so great.
> >
>
> Nope, I am a computer tech and this is the best ever Service Pack.
> Windows Firewall let's you have a small home network without
> having to be a techy.
>
> Your email is still there, but it is in a different folder,
> look it up on groups.google.com
> type in keywords in the search window
>
> Upgrade to XP SP2 has deleted all my old e-mail messages
> reply by Steve Cochran
> 6. How does one backup and restore or transfer OE messages and settings:
>
> See: http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/backup/index.htm
> http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx
>
> Note that there is also a link in this article to MVP David Guess's free
> OEBackup programs (www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/) or
>
> http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/
> http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/ oebackupfull2.9.zip
>
> - the full installation with all support files.
>
> In a high volume newsgroup some posts are going to get overlooked.
> It is practically quicker and more efficient to use Google in many cases.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=kb;en-us;q313055
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspxkbid=842242&product=windowsxpsp2
>
> Netscape changed the location of where email was stored
> between version 6 and version 7, which was then not
> automatically imported. Some people change the default
> storage location on the hard drive so import needs to be
> done manually. A minor inconvenience.
>
> Use your OE backup if you can't find these files. You have
> been told many times to make backups and for SP2 you
> were told again to make a backup of important files. When
> you run into a problem which could be corrected by having
> a backup it is nobody's fault but your own that you have a
> problem because creating a backup was just too much for
> you to trouble yourself with. So instead of accepting this
> responsibility you try to put the blame on Microsoft.
> Computers were only invented about 55 years ago.
> Software that runs on them will not approach perfection
> for centuries to come. That is why you need backups.
>
> You remind me of people who drive cars and never choose
> to check the oil even though they know they are "supposed" to.
> I've installed Sp2 for eleven clients. Nine no problems. One
> required a re-installation of a program. The other needed the
> service pack upgrade rerun from the harddrive.
>
>
> > Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no help!
> >
> > Here's my problem:
> >
> > Installed service pack 2.
> >
> > It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
> > The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I reconfigured,
> > Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone. Plus,
> > now I'm not receiving any new mail.
> >
> > How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the mail.
> > Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.
> >
> > Thanks - Jim
> >
>
> If you can be bothered to read my email and the links contained therein,
> you will find the solution to recover your files.
>
>
>

[NoNoBadDog!]

Ya know, it's funny that for every single post where the OP did not back up
and then loses his emails or other files, there are dozens, perhaps hundreds
who installed SP2 and did not lose files. Yet the idiots still maintain
that it is Microsoft's fault that they can't keep their computers properly
maintained.

SP2 does not cause problems for over 90% of the computers it is installed
on.

Bobby

"Jim" > wrote in message
...
> You "techies" crack me up! A bunch of people have had this and others
> problems, but it's not Microsofts fault it changed my data, it's the
> customer's fault. If these were tires and this many probs, it would be
> recalled!
>
> "Stephen Harris" wrote:
>
>>
>> "Jim" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
>> > problems
>> > with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
>> > employees) say it so great.
>> >
>>
>> Nope, I am a computer tech and this is the best ever Service Pack.
>> Windows Firewall let's you have a small home network without
>> having to be a techy.
>>
>> Your email is still there, but it is in a different folder,
>> look it up on groups.google.com
>> type in keywords in the search window
>>
>> Upgrade to XP SP2 has deleted all my old e-mail messages
>> reply by Steve Cochran
>> 6. How does one backup and restore or transfer OE messages and settings:
>>
>> See: http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/backup/index.htm
>> http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx
>>
>> Note that there is also a link in this article to MVP David Guess's free
>> OEBackup programs (www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/) or
>>
>> http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/
>> http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/ oebackupfull2.9.zip
>>
>> - the full installation with all support files.
>>
>> In a high volume newsgroup some posts are going to get overlooked.
>> It is practically quicker and more efficient to use Google in many cases.
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=kb;en-us;q313055
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspxkbid=842242&product=windowsxpsp2
>>
>> Netscape changed the location of where email was stored
>> between version 6 and version 7, which was then not
>> automatically imported. Some people change the default
>> storage location on the hard drive so import needs to be
>> done manually. A minor inconvenience.
>>
>> Use your OE backup if you can't find these files. You have
>> been told many times to make backups and for SP2 you
>> were told again to make a backup of important files. When
>> you run into a problem which could be corrected by having
>> a backup it is nobody's fault but your own that you have a
>> problem because creating a backup was just too much for
>> you to trouble yourself with. So instead of accepting this
>> responsibility you try to put the blame on Microsoft.
>> Computers were only invented about 55 years ago.
>> Software that runs on them will not approach perfection
>> for centuries to come. That is why you need backups.
>>
>> You remind me of people who drive cars and never choose
>> to check the oil even though they know they are "supposed" to.
>> I've installed Sp2 for eleven clients. Nine no problems. One
>> required a re-installation of a program. The other needed the
>> service pack upgrade rerun from the harddrive.
>>
>>
>> > Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no
>> > help!
>> >
>> > Here's my problem:
>> >
>> > Installed service pack 2.
>> >
>> > It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
>> > The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I
>> > reconfigured,
>> > Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone.
>> > Plus,
>> > now I'm not receiving any new mail.
>> >
>> > How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the
>> > mail.
>> > Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.
>> >
>> > Thanks - Jim
>> >
>>
>> If you can be bothered to read my email and the links contained therein,
>> you will find the solution to recover your files.
>>
>>
>>

>-----Original Message-----
>you guys have got it all figured out, don't you? hehe
>

You're never too old to learn. My mother is 71 and she
makes full backups.

Three years ago all of her mailing buddies got a nasty
virus before the AV vendors got new definitions out (she
just uses her PC for "fun stuff" which includes emailing
megabyte executable jokes.) Her friends took their
computers to shops to get them repaired and lost all
their data. Mom did a restore and was back on-line in an
hour with only the last few virus-laden "fun" emails
missing. Some of mom's friends are backing up now too.

You've had your first warning from your email scare. The
question is whether you'll learn from it. I suspect
you're thinking about protecting your data in the future
even though you're trying to appear cavalier about it.
At least I hope so. If not, I'll see you on your next
disaster.

[Jim]

Dude,

I'm sure you probably mean well, but when my system is working, I get a msg
"updates are avail, do you want to install?", I click "yes" now my system
doesn't work, Dude that's not my fault!

I'm sure you wouldn't accept that answer if it were you taking your Xbox to
be repaired either.

"NoNoBadDog!" wrote:

> Ya know, it's funny that for every single post where the OP did not back up
> and then loses his emails or other files, there are dozens, perhaps hundreds
> who installed SP2 and did not lose files. Yet the idiots still maintain
> that it is Microsoft's fault that they can't keep their computers properly
> maintained.
>
> SP2 does not cause problems for over 90% of the computers it is installed
> on.
>
> Bobby
>
> "Jim" > wrote in message
> ...
> > You "techies" crack me up! A bunch of people have had this and others
> > problems, but it's not Microsofts fault it changed my data, it's the
> > customer's fault. If these were tires and this many probs, it would be
> > recalled!
> >
> > "Stephen Harris" wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "Jim" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
> >> > problems
> >> > with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
> >> > employees) say it so great.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Nope, I am a computer tech and this is the best ever Service Pack.
> >> Windows Firewall let's you have a small home network without
> >> having to be a techy.
> >>
> >> Your email is still there, but it is in a different folder,
> >> look it up on groups.google.com
> >> type in keywords in the search window
> >>
> >> Upgrade to XP SP2 has deleted all my old e-mail messages
> >> reply by Steve Cochran
> >> 6. How does one backup and restore or transfer OE messages and settings:
> >>
> >> See: http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/backup/index.htm
> >> http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx
> >>
> >> Note that there is also a link in this article to MVP David Guess's free
> >> OEBackup programs (www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/) or
> >>
> >> http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/
> >> http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/ oebackupfull2.9.zip
> >>
> >> - the full installation with all support files.
> >>
> >> In a high volume newsgroup some posts are going to get overlooked.
> >> It is practically quicker and more efficient to use Google in many cases.
> >>
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=kb;en-us;q313055
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspxkbid=842242&product=windowsxpsp2
> >>
> >> Netscape changed the location of where email was stored
> >> between version 6 and version 7, which was then not
> >> automatically imported. Some people change the default
> >> storage location on the hard drive so import needs to be
> >> done manually. A minor inconvenience.
> >>
> >> Use your OE backup if you can't find these files. You have
> >> been told many times to make backups and for SP2 you
> >> were told again to make a backup of important files. When
> >> you run into a problem which could be corrected by having
> >> a backup it is nobody's fault but your own that you have a
> >> problem because creating a backup was just too much for
> >> you to trouble yourself with. So instead of accepting this
> >> responsibility you try to put the blame on Microsoft.
> >> Computers were only invented about 55 years ago.
> >> Software that runs on them will not approach perfection
> >> for centuries to come. That is why you need backups.
> >>
> >> You remind me of people who drive cars and never choose
> >> to check the oil even though they know they are "supposed" to.
> >> I've installed Sp2 for eleven clients. Nine no problems. One
> >> required a re-installation of a program. The other needed the
> >> service pack upgrade rerun from the harddrive.
> >>
> >>
> >> > Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no
> >> > help!
> >> >
> >> > Here's my problem:
> >> >
> >> > Installed service pack 2.
> >> >
> >> > It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
> >> > The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I
> >> > reconfigured,
> >> > Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone.
> >> > Plus,
> >> > now I'm not receiving any new mail.
> >> >
> >> > How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the
> >> > mail.
> >> > Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks - Jim
> >> >
> >>
> >> If you can be bothered to read my email and the links contained therein,
> >> you will find the solution to recover your files.
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

[Rock]

Jim wrote:

> You "techies" crack me up! A bunch of people have had this and others
> problems, but it's not Microsofts fault it changed my data, it's the
> customer's fault. If these were tires and this many probs, it would be
> recalled!
>
> "Stephen Harris" wrote:
>
>
>>"Jim" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
>>>problems
>>>with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
>>>employees) say it so great.
>>>
>>
>>Nope, I am a computer tech and this is the best ever Service Pack.
>>Windows Firewall let's you have a small home network without
>>having to be a techy.
>>
>>Your email is still there, but it is in a different folder,
>>look it up on groups.google.com
>>type in keywords in the search window
>>
>>Upgrade to XP SP2 has deleted all my old e-mail messages
>>reply by Steve Cochran
>>6. How does one backup and restore or transfer OE messages and settings:
>>
>>See: http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/backup/index.htm
>> http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx
>>
>>Note that there is also a link in this article to MVP David Guess's free
>>OEBackup programs (www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/) or
>>
>>http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/
>>http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/ oebackupfull2.9.zip
>>
>>- the full installation with all support files.
>>
>>In a high volume newsgroup some posts are going to get overlooked.
>>It is practically quicker and more efficient to use Google in many cases.
>>
>>http://support.microsoft.com/?id=kb;en-us;q313055
>>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspxkbid=842242&product=windowsxpsp2
>>
>>Netscape changed the location of where email was stored
>>between version 6 and version 7, which was then not
>>automatically imported. Some people change the default
>>storage location on the hard drive so import needs to be
>>done manually. A minor inconvenience.
>>
>>Use your OE backup if you can't find these files. You have
>>been told many times to make backups and for SP2 you
>>were told again to make a backup of important files. When
>>you run into a problem which could be corrected by having
>>a backup it is nobody's fault but your own that you have a
>>problem because creating a backup was just too much for
>>you to trouble yourself with. So instead of accepting this
>>responsibility you try to put the blame on Microsoft.
>>Computers were only invented about 55 years ago.
>>Software that runs on them will not approach perfection
>>for centuries to come. That is why you need backups.
>>
>>You remind me of people who drive cars and never choose
>>to check the oil even though they know they are "supposed" to.
>>I've installed Sp2 for eleven clients. Nine no problems. One
>>required a re-installation of a program. The other needed the
>>service pack upgrade rerun from the harddrive.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no help!
>>>
>>>Here's my problem:
>>>
>>>Installed service pack 2.
>>>
>>>It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
>>>The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I reconfigured,
>>>Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone. Plus,
>>>now I'm not receiving any new mail.
>>>
>>>How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the mail.
>>>Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.
>>>
>>>Thanks - Jim
>>>
>>
>>If you can be bothered to read my email and the links contained therein,
>>you will find the solution to recover your files.

The important word is _backup_, whether doing an OS upgrade or running a
system that doesn't change and is isolated from the net. It's not a
matter of if but when data loss occurs. The only common sense approach
is to have regular and complete backups. If you don't grasp that point
and follow it, don't complain when data loss happens. You own it.

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

You have quite the imagination if you think I said "must install SP2
NOW"
Perhaps you should get a grip on reality then read my post again.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"M$" > wrote in message
...
>I always get a kick out of people who make something like a SP their
> religion. What religious fervor!
>
> This is just to funny!!!! Everyone must install SP2 NOW!!!! or all
> you SP2
> infidels will be shot!!!
>
> Decreed by SP Osama
>
> CNN is reporting that a sleeper cell has high jacked emails and is
> going to
> crush them into Windows XP machines that do not have SP2 installed!
> Quick
> install SP2! Dumb, too late! You have been terrorized! Too bad, you
> were
> warned by the MS FBI but failed to take appropriate action.
>
>
> Ha! Ha!
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On what do you base this on:
>> "SP2a sound like a much better choice which should be here by
>> Xmas."
>> The likelihood of that happening is almost nonexistent and almost
>> without precedent other than these 2:
>> 1. A Service Pack for NT with far greater problems than Windows
>> SP-2.
>> 2. Windows XP SP-1a released as part of a court settlement with
>> Sun.
>> Microsoft Virtual Machine was removed from SP-1 changing it to
>> SP-1a.
>> NOTHING else was changed even though there were numerous fixes
>> already
>> available.
>>
>> Since SP-2 is 2, it is not the first release, SP-1 was.
>> If you wait for an update of SP-2, you will most likely wait
>> forever
>> since the most likely event is SP-3 in a year or two.
>>
>> Instead research and prepare your computer:
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
>>
>> Or you can wait forever...your choice.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/

[Jon]

A man walks into a doctor's surgery......


"Well I took that medicine that you prescribed for me last week Doctor.....
Seemed to do the trick...... Only trouble is now is my memory seems to have
totally gone. I can't remember any of my friends and relatives names &
addresses"

"Did you make a full list of all your friends and relatives before taking
the pill? Did you write them down on a separate piece of paper and put them
in a draw". "You should do that before each pill that you take"


"Errrr....right...was I supposed to? I didn't do that before the last pills
you gave me"


"Yes it was on the instructions in the packet. You only have yourself to
blame. Now get out of my surgery till you learn to read the instructions in
medicine packets properly!"


Disgruntled, he decides to go for a second opinion....


"Doc, I've lost my memory. Can't remember any of my friends and relatives"

"Ok..what's that big book sticking out of your pocket with 'Address Book'
written on it...or that one with 'Photo Album' & 'letters' on it?"

Aaaagh my addresses, my friends, my photos .. I remember!!!








"Rock" > wrote in message
...
> Jim wrote:
>
>> You "techies" crack me up! A bunch of people have had this and others
>> problems, but it's not Microsofts fault it changed my data, it's the
>> customer's fault. If these were tires and this many probs, it would be
>> recalled!
>>
>> "Stephen Harris" wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Jim" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>>How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
>>>>problems
>>>>with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
>>>>employees) say it so great.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Nope, I am a computer tech and this is the best ever Service Pack.
>>>Windows Firewall let's you have a small home network without
>>>having to be a techy.
>>>
>>>Your email is still there, but it is in a different folder,
>>>look it up on groups.google.com
>>>type in keywords in the search window
>>>
>>>Upgrade to XP SP2 has deleted all my old e-mail messages
>>>reply by Steve Cochran
>>>6. How does one backup and restore or transfer OE messages and settings:
>>>
>>>See: http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/backup/index.htm
>>> http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx
>>>
>>>Note that there is also a link in this article to MVP David Guess's free
>>>OEBackup programs (www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/) or
>>>
>>>http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/
>>>http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/ oebackupfull2.9.zip
>>>
>>>- the full installation with all support files.
>>>
>>>In a high volume newsgroup some posts are going to get overlooked.
>>>It is practically quicker and more efficient to use Google in many cases.
>>>
>>>http://support.microsoft.com/?id=kb;en-us;q313055
>>>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspxkbid=842242&product=windowsxpsp2
>>>
>>>Netscape changed the location of where email was stored
>>>between version 6 and version 7, which was then not
>>>automatically imported. Some people change the default
>>>storage location on the hard drive so import needs to be
>>>done manually. A minor inconvenience.
>>>
>>>Use your OE backup if you can't find these files. You have
>>>been told many times to make backups and for SP2 you
>>>were told again to make a backup of important files. When
>>>you run into a problem which could be corrected by having
>>>a backup it is nobody's fault but your own that you have a
>>>problem because creating a backup was just too much for
>>>you to trouble yourself with. So instead of accepting this
>>>responsibility you try to put the blame on Microsoft.
>>>Computers were only invented about 55 years ago.
>>>Software that runs on them will not approach perfection
>>>for centuries to come. That is why you need backups.
>>>
>>>You remind me of people who drive cars and never choose
>>>to check the oil even though they know they are "supposed" to.
>>>I've installed Sp2 for eleven clients. Nine no problems. One
>>>required a re-installation of a program. The other needed the
>>>service pack upgrade rerun from the harddrive.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no
>>>>help!
>>>>
>>>>Here's my problem:
>>>>
>>>>Installed service pack 2.
>>>>
>>>>It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
>>>>The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I
>>>>reconfigured,
>>>>Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone.
>>>>Plus,
>>>>now I'm not receiving any new mail.
>>>>
>>>>How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the
>>>>mail.
>>>>Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks - Jim
>>>>
>>>
>>>If you can be bothered to read my email and the links contained therein,
>>>you will find the solution to recover your files.
>
> The important word is _backup_, whether doing an OS upgrade or running a
> system that doesn't change and is isolated from the net. It's not a
> matter of if but when data loss occurs. The only common sense approach is
> to have regular and complete backups. If you don't grasp that point and
> follow it, don't complain when data loss happens. You own it.
>

[Miss Perspicacia Tick]

Jim wrote:
> "Miss Perspicacia Tick" and "Anonimous"
>
> Do you also overhaul your car's engine everytime you get a new tank
> of gas? Geez, you computer people crack me up! I'm supposed to get
> 75 CD's and backup my 60 gig HD, defrag, update all software, paint
> my house, resod my lawn, etc, every time Microsoft sends an update?
> GET REAL!


Erm, you're the one who needs to "get real". I don't back up on CDs. I have
an external hard drive that takes an image once a week. If you don't want to
perform ESM (that's Essential System Mainenance) before installing a major
OS update, please go and whine somewhere else - we don't want you, we don't
need you and, indeed, we don't like your type around here!

As I said before - if you fail to prepare, prepare to fail.

Now, do toddle off, the Kindergarten's that way.



--
My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
lose his marbles?

[Miss Perspicacia Tick]

> SP2 does not cause problems for over 90% of the computers it is
> installed on.
>
> Bobby


And on the 10% it does, it's 99.99% PEBCAK errors. The guy is a complete
moron. He's not going to listen to reason, Bob, so we might as well leave it
to wallow in it's own crapulence. We're certainly not going to be able to
beat any sense into it.

Just remember - never argue with a moron - they drag you down to their level
and beat you with experience.


--
My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
lose his marbles?

[Sarah Clarke]

"Jim" > wrote in message
...
> "anonymous" I get asked to install updates all the time. this is the only
> one that screwed up my system. If there were all types of "procedures"
that
> needed adhering to for SP2, Microsoft should have given a tad more notice.
> No offense, but we users don't have time to be computer geeks. We don't
want
> to know how our TV works either. We just want it to work!

Well your system was working prior to installing SP2. Why install something
you know nothing about when your system was fully functional?

[Alex Nichol]

The Grass is greener wrote:

>
>The reports you see in this newsgroup and web write-ups will be those
>that failed, you will hardly see any for those that have installed it
>without trouble - that's why you came here. If you had no problem
>whatever with the install, then you wouldn't say, would you ?

A large number are caused by this guy repeatedly posting diatribes. I
begin to see him as a troll.

--
Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)

[Jim]

Hey Alex,

Nice customer relations attitude you have there. See me as a troll or not,
my system worked fine for two years, I install the SP2 virus, now after
spending three days on this, I'm still having numerous problems. But that's
MY fault. Hysterical!

"Alex Nichol" wrote:

> The Grass is greener wrote:
>
> >
> >The reports you see in this newsgroup and web write-ups will be those
> >that failed, you will hardly see any for those that have installed it
> >without trouble - that's why you came here. If you had no problem
> >whatever with the install, then you wouldn't say, would you ?
>
> A large number are caused by this guy repeatedly posting diatribes. I
> begin to see him as a troll.
>
> --
> Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
> Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)
>

[Jim]

Hey tick,

I assure you that you could not walk in and do my job without many years of
training either, but I don't call you a "moron." I (like most poeople) don't
spend my life on computers like the rest of you techies here. You can't
expect the entire world to learn YOUR profession just because YOUR profession
can't do it's job!`

"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote:

> > SP2 does not cause problems for over 90% of the computers it is
> > installed on.
> >
> > Bobby
>
>
> And on the 10% it does, it's 99.99% PEBCAK errors. The guy is a complete
> moron. He's not going to listen to reason, Bob, so we might as well leave it
> to wallow in it's own crapulence. We're certainly not going to be able to
> beat any sense into it.
>
> Just remember - never argue with a moron - they drag you down to their level
> and beat you with experience.
>
>
> --
> My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
> lose his marbles?
>
>
>
>

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

If you thing SP-2 is a virus, I suggest you move away from Microsoft
products.
This may be appropriate:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2592740&cat=96356&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A41937%3A96356

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Jim" > wrote in message
...
> Hey Alex,
>
> Nice customer relations attitude you have there. See me as a troll
> or not,
> my system worked fine for two years, I install the SP2 virus, now
> after
> spending three days on this, I'm still having numerous problems.
> But that's
> MY fault. Hysterical!

[Jim]

To all of you "BOC's -- Backup Obsessive Compulsives,"

If you truly know about SP2, YOU would know it had a pop up screen that said
"please wait while we backup your files." Ergo, backups (or lack thereof)
were not the problem anyway. The problem is, where did it put the backed up
files, what was I supposed to do with them and (most importantly), why should
I know what to do with them?
This isn't my field! It's Microsoft's! Your doctor does not expect you to
be medically trained to be treated, your phamacist does not expect you to
know how drugs interact, whu are computer people always expecting the general
public to learn THEIR profession?

"Jon" wrote:

> A man walks into a doctor's surgery......
>
>
> "Well I took that medicine that you prescribed for me last week Doctor.....
> Seemed to do the trick...... Only trouble is now is my memory seems to have
> totally gone. I can't remember any of my friends and relatives names &
> addresses"
>
> "Did you make a full list of all your friends and relatives before taking
> the pill? Did you write them down on a separate piece of paper and put them
> in a draw". "You should do that before each pill that you take"
>
>
> "Errrr....right...was I supposed to? I didn't do that before the last pills
> you gave me"
>
>
> "Yes it was on the instructions in the packet. You only have yourself to
> blame. Now get out of my surgery till you learn to read the instructions in
> medicine packets properly!"
>
>
> Disgruntled, he decides to go for a second opinion....
>
>
> "Doc, I've lost my memory. Can't remember any of my friends and relatives"
>
> "Ok..what's that big book sticking out of your pocket with 'Address Book'
> written on it...or that one with 'Photo Album' & 'letters' on it?"
>
> Aaaagh my addresses, my friends, my photos .. I remember!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Rock" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Jim wrote:
> >
> >> You "techies" crack me up! A bunch of people have had this and others
> >> problems, but it's not Microsofts fault it changed my data, it's the
> >> customer's fault. If these were tires and this many probs, it would be
> >> recalled!
> >>
> >> "Stephen Harris" wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Jim" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>
> >>>>How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
> >>>>problems
> >>>>with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
> >>>>employees) say it so great.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Nope, I am a computer tech and this is the best ever Service Pack.
> >>>Windows Firewall let's you have a small home network without
> >>>having to be a techy.
> >>>
> >>>Your email is still there, but it is in a different folder,
> >>>look it up on groups.google.com
> >>>type in keywords in the search window
> >>>
> >>>Upgrade to XP SP2 has deleted all my old e-mail messages
> >>>reply by Steve Cochran
> >>>6. How does one backup and restore or transfer OE messages and settings:
> >>>
> >>>See: http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/backup/index.htm
> >>> http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx
> >>>
> >>>Note that there is also a link in this article to MVP David Guess's free
> >>>OEBackup programs (www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/) or
> >>>
> >>>http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/
> >>>http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/ oebackupfull2.9.zip
> >>>
> >>>- the full installation with all support files.
> >>>
> >>>In a high volume newsgroup some posts are going to get overlooked.
> >>>It is practically quicker and more efficient to use Google in many cases.
> >>>
> >>>http://support.microsoft.com/?id=kb;en-us;q313055
> >>>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspxkbid=842242&product=windowsxpsp2
> >>>
> >>>Netscape changed the location of where email was stored
> >>>between version 6 and version 7, which was then not
> >>>automatically imported. Some people change the default
> >>>storage location on the hard drive so import needs to be
> >>>done manually. A minor inconvenience.
> >>>
> >>>Use your OE backup if you can't find these files. You have
> >>>been told many times to make backups and for SP2 you
> >>>were told again to make a backup of important files. When
> >>>you run into a problem which could be corrected by having
> >>>a backup it is nobody's fault but your own that you have a
> >>>problem because creating a backup was just too much for
> >>>you to trouble yourself with. So instead of accepting this
> >>>responsibility you try to put the blame on Microsoft.
> >>>Computers were only invented about 55 years ago.
> >>>Software that runs on them will not approach perfection
> >>>for centuries to come. That is why you need backups.
> >>>
> >>>You remind me of people who drive cars and never choose
> >>>to check the oil even though they know they are "supposed" to.
> >>>I've installed Sp2 for eleven clients. Nine no problems. One
> >>>required a re-installation of a program. The other needed the
> >>>service pack upgrade rerun from the harddrive.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no
> >>>>help!
> >>>>
> >>>>Here's my problem:
> >>>>
> >>>>Installed service pack 2.
> >>>>
> >>>>It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
> >>>>The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I
> >>>>reconfigured,
> >>>>Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone.
> >>>>Plus,
> >>>>now I'm not receiving any new mail.
> >>>>
> >>>>How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the
> >>>>mail.
> >>>>Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks - Jim
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>If you can be bothered to read my email and the links contained therein,
> >>>you will find the solution to recover your files.
> >
> > The important word is _backup_, whether doing an OS upgrade or running a
> > system that doesn't change and is isolated from the net. It's not a
> > matter of if but when data loss occurs. The only common sense approach is
> > to have regular and complete backups. If you don't grasp that point and
> > follow it, don't complain when data loss happens. You own it.
> >
>
>
>

[Jim]

Jupiter baby,
Whayexactly is the definition of a virus anyway?

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> If you thing SP-2 is a virus, I suggest you move away from Microsoft
> products.
> This may be appropriate:
> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2592740&cat=96356&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A41937%3A96356
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>
>
> "Jim" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hey Alex,
> >
> > Nice customer relations attitude you have there. See me as a troll
> > or not,
> > my system worked fine for two years, I install the SP2 virus, now
> > after
> > spending three days on this, I'm still having numerous problems.
> > But that's
> > MY fault. Hysterical!
>
>
>

[Miss Perspicacia Tick]

Jim wrote:
> Dude,
>
> I'm sure you probably mean well, but when my system is working, I get
> a msg "updates are avail, do you want to install?", I click "yes" now
> my system doesn't work, Dude that's not my fault!

Sorry, but it is. If you don't perform ESM and something goes wrong, then
it's your fault as the error was, with 99.99% certainty, because you failed
to maintain a healthy system.

> I'm sure you wouldn't accept that answer if it were you taking your
> Xbox to be repaired either.

If Bobby had an X-Box (which I'm sure he doesn't) are you making him an
offer? I'm sure, if he does have one, it's only gathering dust in the
cupboard. I'm sure he'd be more than willing to swap it for your computer
(which you're obviously not capable of using).


--
My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
lose his marbles?

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

I would hope you would know the meaning of a word you have been
constantly using the last few days.
If not, I suggest you quit using words you do not understand until you
learn the meaning.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Jim" > wrote in message
...
> Jupiter baby,
> Whayexactly is the definition of a virus anyway?

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Jim;
There are many types of back-ups and as many reasons to back-up.
The back-up referred during the SP-2 installation has nothing to do
with backing up your personal data.
Those back-ups are strictly for returning the computer to a pre SP-2
condition if necessary.
That is no protection for personal data.

This link will tell you a little about where they are located:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spack.htm

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Jim" > wrote in message
...
> To all of you "BOC's -- Backup Obsessive Compulsives,"
>
> If you truly know about SP2, YOU would know it had a pop up screen
> that said
> "please wait while we backup your files." Ergo, backups (or lack
> thereof)
> were not the problem anyway. The problem is, where did it put the
> backed up
> files, what was I supposed to do with them and (most importantly),
> why should
> I know what to do with them?
> This isn't my field! It's Microsoft's! Your doctor does not expect
> you to
> be medically trained to be treated, your phamacist does not expect
> you to
> know how drugs interact, whu are computer people always expecting
> the general
> public to learn THEIR profession?
>
> "Jon" wrote:
>
>> A man walks into a doctor's surgery......
>>
>>
>> "Well I took that medicine that you prescribed for me last week
>> Doctor.....
>> Seemed to do the trick...... Only trouble is now is my memory seems
>> to have
>> totally gone. I can't remember any of my friends and relatives
>> names &
>> addresses"
>>
>> "Did you make a full list of all your friends and relatives before
>> taking
>> the pill? Did you write them down on a separate piece of paper and
>> put them
>> in a draw". "You should do that before each pill that you take"
>>
>>
>> "Errrr....right...was I supposed to? I didn't do that before the
>> last pills
>> you gave me"
>>
>>
>> "Yes it was on the instructions in the packet. You only have
>> yourself to
>> blame. Now get out of my surgery till you learn to read the
>> instructions in
>> medicine packets properly!"
>>
>>
>> Disgruntled, he decides to go for a second opinion....
>>
>>
>> "Doc, I've lost my memory. Can't remember any of my friends and
>> relatives"
>>
>> "Ok..what's that big book sticking out of your pocket with 'Address
>> Book'
>> written on it...or that one with 'Photo Album' & 'letters' on it?"
>>
>> Aaaagh my addresses, my friends, my photos .. I remember!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Rock" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Jim wrote:
>> >
>> >> You "techies" crack me up! A bunch of people have had this and
>> >> others
>> >> problems, but it's not Microsofts fault it changed my data, it's
>> >> the
>> >> customer's fault. If these were tires and this many probs, it
>> >> would be
>> >> recalled!
>> >>
>> >> "Stephen Harris" wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>"Jim" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>>
>> >>>>How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are
>> >>>>having
>> >>>>problems
>> >>>>with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously
>> >>>>Microsoft
>> >>>>employees) say it so great.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Nope, I am a computer tech and this is the best ever Service
>> >>>Pack.
>> >>>Windows Firewall let's you have a small home network without
>> >>>having to be a techy.
>> >>>
>> >>>Your email is still there, but it is in a different folder,
>> >>>look it up on groups.google.com
>> >>>type in keywords in the search window
>> >>>
>> >>>Upgrade to XP SP2 has deleted all my old e-mail messages
>> >>>reply by Steve Cochran
>> >>>6. How does one backup and restore or transfer OE messages and
>> >>>settings:
>> >>>
>> >>>See: http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/backup/index.htm
>> >>> http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx
>> >>>
>> >>>Note that there is also a link in this article to MVP David
>> >>>Guess's free
>> >>>OEBackup programs (www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/) or
>> >>>
>> >>>http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/
>> >>>http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/ oebackupfull2.9.zip
>> >>>
>> >>>- the full installation with all support files.
>> >>>
>> >>>In a high volume newsgroup some posts are going to get
>> >>>overlooked.
>> >>>It is practically quicker and more efficient to use Google in
>> >>>many cases.
>> >>>
>> >>>http://support.microsoft.com/?id=kb;en-us;q313055
>> >>>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspxkbid=842242&product=windowsxpsp2
>> >>>
>> >>>Netscape changed the location of where email was stored
>> >>>between version 6 and version 7, which was then not
>> >>>automatically imported. Some people change the default
>> >>>storage location on the hard drive so import needs to be
>> >>>done manually. A minor inconvenience.
>> >>>
>> >>>Use your OE backup if you can't find these files. You have
>> >>>been told many times to make backups and for SP2 you
>> >>>were told again to make a backup of important files. When
>> >>>you run into a problem which could be corrected by having
>> >>>a backup it is nobody's fault but your own that you have a
>> >>>problem because creating a backup was just too much for
>> >>>you to trouble yourself with. So instead of accepting this
>> >>>responsibility you try to put the blame on Microsoft.
>> >>>Computers were only invented about 55 years ago.
>> >>>Software that runs on them will not approach perfection
>> >>>for centuries to come. That is why you need backups.
>> >>>
>> >>>You remind me of people who drive cars and never choose
>> >>>to check the oil even though they know they are "supposed" to.
>> >>>I've installed Sp2 for eleven clients. Nine no problems. One
>> >>>required a re-installation of a program. The other needed the
>> >>>service pack upgrade rerun from the harddrive.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so
>> >>>>far no
>> >>>>help!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Here's my problem:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Installed service pack 2.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
>> >>>>The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I
>> >>>>reconfigured,
>> >>>>Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are
>> >>>>gone.
>> >>>>Plus,
>> >>>>now I'm not receiving any new mail.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some
>> >>>>of the
>> >>>>mail.
>> >>>>Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned
>> >>>>off.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Thanks - Jim
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>If you can be bothered to read my email and the links contained
>> >>>therein,
>> >>>you will find the solution to recover your files.
>> >
>> > The important word is _backup_, whether doing an OS upgrade or
>> > running a
>> > system that doesn't change and is isolated from the net. It's
>> > not a
>> > matter of if but when data loss occurs. The only common sense
>> > approach is
>> > to have regular and complete backups. If you don't grasp that
>> > point and
>> > follow it, don't complain when data loss happens. You own it.
>> >
>>
>>
>>

[Jim]

Jup,

Main Entry: vi·rus
Pronunciation: 'vI-r&s
Function: noun

4 : a computer program usually hidden within another seemingly innocuous
program that produces copies of itself and inserts them into other programs
and that usually performs a malicious action (as destroying data)

"(as destroying data)" Pretty much what SP2 did to me.

No wonder you didn't want to give the definition.........

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> I would hope you would know the meaning of a word you have been
> constantly using the last few days.
> If not, I suggest you quit using words you do not understand until you
> learn the meaning.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>
>
> "Jim" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Jupiter baby,
> > Whayexactly is the definition of a virus anyway?
>
>
>

[Miss Perspicacia Tick]

Jim wrote:

> To all of you "BOC's -- Backup Obsessive Compulsives,"
>
> If you truly know about SP2, YOU would know it had a pop up screen
> that said "please wait while we backup your files." Ergo, backups
> (or lack thereof) were not the problem anyway.

You truly are a f*ckwit of the highest order. Are you seriously telling us -
in all seriousness - that you thought that 'backing up files' meant it was
performing a full system backup?! It backs the files that SP2 updates,
nothing more. It takes about five minutes (if that) to back up files - you
seriously think that, in that time, it backs up your entire hard drive in
that time?! But, had you bothered to do any homework at all, you'd have
known that.

The problem is, where
> did it put the backed up files, what was I supposed to do with them
> and (most importantly), why should I know what to do with them?

See above.


> This isn't my field! It's Microsoft's!

And how is common sense and clue Microsoft's field?! You clearly have
neither. How on earth can it be Microsoft's fault if you fail to sustain a
properly maintained system?! Is it Microsoft's fault that you completely
failed to perform a full system back up before proceeding with such a major
update?! No it is not. Stop blaming Microsoft for your own stupidity!

Your doctor does not expect
> you to be medically trained to be treated, your phamacist does not
> expect you to know how drugs interact, whu are computer people always
> expecting the general public to learn THEIR profession?

Erm, they don't. However, a doctor does expect that their patient has the
common sense to read the label on the medicine bottle and follow the
instructions. Microsoft expects their users to have the common sense to
perform a full system backup and cleanse their systems; but, in case they
don't, they put full instructions on their website here
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.aspx,
specifically for cretinous morons (or moronic cretins) such as you.

I'll quote the front page for you.

Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) provides better protection against viruses,
hackers, and worms, and includes Windows Firewall, Pop-up Blocker for
Internet Explorer, and the new Windows Security Center.


Important: Follow these steps before installing Windows XP SP2 to
prevent potential conflicts with other software on your computer:


1. Back up your critical files

2. Check your computer for spyware and other unwanted software

3. Check for special update instructions from your computer's
manufacturer.

Once you have completed these steps, you can download this and all other
critical updates.


The best thing you can do now is sell your computer and buy a PlayStation.
You don't have the mental capability - or the common sense - to operate a
computer. Or, if your computer is still under warranty, suggest you package
it back up and take it back to the shop and tell them you're too stupid to
own a computer.

You are a moron.


--
My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
lose his marbles?

[Jim]

Hey tick f@ckwit (as you so elequently put it),

I don't have system problems, I have email problems. Problems I (and many
other posters) did not have until SP2. If you're going to make stupid
remarks, at least know what the thread is about.


"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote:

> Jim wrote:
>
> > To all of you "BOC's -- Backup Obsessive Compulsives,"
> >
> > If you truly know about SP2, YOU would know it had a pop up screen
> > that said "please wait while we backup your files." Ergo, backups
> > (or lack thereof) were not the problem anyway.
>
> You truly are a f*ckwit of the highest order. Are you seriously telling us -
> in all seriousness - that you thought that 'backing up files' meant it was
> performing a full system backup?! It backs the files that SP2 updates,
> nothing more. It takes about five minutes (if that) to back up files - you
> seriously think that, in that time, it backs up your entire hard drive in
> that time?! But, had you bothered to do any homework at all, you'd have
> known that.
>
> The problem is, where
> > did it put the backed up files, what was I supposed to do with them
> > and (most importantly), why should I know what to do with them?
>
> See above.
>
>
> > This isn't my field! It's Microsoft's!
>
> And how is common sense and clue Microsoft's field?! You clearly have
> neither. How on earth can it be Microsoft's fault if you fail to sustain a
> properly maintained system?! Is it Microsoft's fault that you completely
> failed to perform a full system back up before proceeding with such a major
> update?! No it is not. Stop blaming Microsoft for your own stupidity!
>
> Your doctor does not expect
> > you to be medically trained to be treated, your phamacist does not
> > expect you to know how drugs interact, whu are computer people always
> > expecting the general public to learn THEIR profession?
>
> Erm, they don't. However, a doctor does expect that their patient has the
> common sense to read the label on the medicine bottle and follow the
> instructions. Microsoft expects their users to have the common sense to
> perform a full system backup and cleanse their systems; but, in case they
> don't, they put full instructions on their website here
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.aspx,
> specifically for cretinous morons (or moronic cretins) such as you.
>
> I'll quote the front page for you.
>
> Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) provides better protection against viruses,
> hackers, and worms, and includes Windows Firewall, Pop-up Blocker for
> Internet Explorer, and the new Windows Security Center.
>
>
> Important: Follow these steps before installing Windows XP SP2 to
> prevent potential conflicts with other software on your computer:
>
>
> 1. Back up your critical files
>
> 2. Check your computer for spyware and other unwanted software
>
> 3. Check for special update instructions from your computer's
> manufacturer.
>
> Once you have completed these steps, you can download this and all other
> critical updates.
>
>
> The best thing you can do now is sell your computer and buy a PlayStation.
> You don't have the mental capability - or the common sense - to operate a
> computer. Or, if your computer is still under warranty, suggest you package
> it back up and take it back to the shop and tell them you're too stupid to
> own a computer.
>
> You are a moron.
>
>
> --
> My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
> lose his marbles?
>
>
>
>

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Flawed observation ""(as destroying data)" Pretty much what SP2 did to
me."
Now if you would seriously consider all other possibilities, you may
be taken seriously.
But so far, you have totally ignored other possible causes.
Anyone that has "destroying data" is totally their own fault.
Routine back-ups are always important, not just during a major
change...another fact you have yet to learn.

You have proven nothing except your dislike for SP-2 fuelled by your
on unjustified bias.

Step back a bit.
Try a Clean Installation on your computer.
Then see how SP-2 installation goes.
You have nothing to lose except that possibly SP-2 would work on your
now clean computer.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Jim" > wrote in message
...
> Jup,
>
> Main Entry: vi·rus
> Pronunciation: 'vI-r&s
> Function: noun
>
> 4 : a computer program usually hidden within another seemingly
> innocuous
> program that produces copies of itself and inserts them into other
> programs
> and that usually performs a malicious action (as destroying data)
>
> "(as destroying data)" Pretty much what SP2 did to me.
>
> No wonder you didn't want to give the definition.........
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

[Jim]

You know, you guys are so obsessed about this backup issue, you think I'm
missing the point? Geez, my data is there. With the help of Jon, I found
it. The data and backups are not the issue here. The issue is, why did this
upgrade completely wipe out my outlook express and then leave it up to the
end user to figure out how to reconfigure it and transfer the data back?
That's a weird way of doing business.

It's not like I'm the only one who's had this problem. I searched through
some other posts, a lot of people have posted problems with SP2, including
this same one! That's just people who know enough to come here! Most people
just ask a computer guy where they work or whatever, so you are only seeing
the tip of things. It's also not like I went to xyz.com and downloaded
something without knowing what it was. This was from Microsoft, it should've
performed better! They just need to step up and admit it didn't perfom as
well as it could have instead of calling your customers "morons." I can't
imagine causing my customers to have a problem and then telling them it's
their fault? I don't think Microsoft employees accept that where they do
business either!

I'm marking this thread as "NO" on the question "Did this post answer the
question? " simply because of all the unwarranted grief I recieved from
people here.

bye

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> Flawed observation ""(as destroying data)" Pretty much what SP2 did to
> me."
> Now if you would seriously consider all other possibilities, you may
> be taken seriously.
> But so far, you have totally ignored other possible causes.
> Anyone that has "destroying data" is totally their own fault.
> Routine back-ups are always important, not just during a major
> change...another fact you have yet to learn.
>
> You have proven nothing except your dislike for SP-2 fuelled by your
> on unjustified bias.
>
> Step back a bit.
> Try a Clean Installation on your computer.
> Then see how SP-2 installation goes.
> You have nothing to lose except that possibly SP-2 would work on your
> now clean computer.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>
>
> "Jim" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Jup,
> >
> > Main Entry: vi·rus
> > Pronunciation: 'vI-r&s
> > Function: noun
> >
> > 4 : a computer program usually hidden within another seemingly
> > innocuous
> > program that produces copies of itself and inserts them into other
> > programs
> > and that usually performs a malicious action (as destroying data)
> >
> > "(as destroying data)" Pretty much what SP2 did to me.
> >
> > No wonder you didn't want to give the definition.........
> >
> > "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>
>
>

[Miss Perspicacia Tick]

Jim wrote:
> Hey tick f@ckwit (as you so elequently put it),
>
> I don't have system problems, I have email problems. Problems I (and
> many other posters) did not have until SP2. If you're going to make
> stupid remarks, at least know what the thread is about.

Oh PLEASE!! Give me strength! I know exactly what the thread is about - it's
about a moronic f*ckwit called Jim (that's you by the way - in case you're
too stupid to recognise yourself) who was too stupid to back up his files
before installing SP2 (totally ignoring Microsoft's - and 99.99% of the user
community's - advice. It's about someone so stupid that, when someone (OK
several people) pointed out his error instead of conceding, continued to
deny everything and blame Microsoft with stupid remarks such as

"Why do computer people thnk we should know their job?"

and

"SP2 backed up my files before installing".

Well I, and I'm sure many others, wash our hands of you. Microsoft did make
something just for you - they call it the XBox. It currently retails for
£100 (which includes a game) so you should have plenty of cash left over
from selling your computer.

Don't let the trapdoor hit you on the way down.

*CLUNK*


*PLONK*

I broke my golden rule because you just infuriated me that much. There is a
famous saying that definitely applies to you: -

http://www.whitetreeaz.com/gibber/flame.htm

That just about sums you up nicely.

Now do go away and stop polluting Usenet. It (used to be at least) is
ecologically sound here and we don't need your effluence polluting the
crystal clear rivers of ideas and good advice here (some of which we offered
to you, but you declined on the grounds of stupidity).

<picks up Jim and dumps him in the toilet>

*FLUSH*

--
My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
lose his marbles?

[SlowJet]

Me thinks the girl doth protest too much?

:)

A chapter out of a WS paly. This NG has everything. lol

SJ
"Miss Perspicacia Tick" > wrote in message
.. .
> Jim wrote:
>> Hey tick f@ckwit (as you so elequently put it),
>>
>> I don't have system problems, I have email problems. Problems I (and
>> many other posters) did not have until SP2. If you're going to make
>> stupid remarks, at least know what the thread is about.
>
> Oh PLEASE!! Give me strength! I know exactly what the thread is about -
> it's about a moronic f*ckwit called Jim (that's you by the way - in case
> you're too stupid to recognise yourself) who was too stupid to back up his
> files before installing SP2 (totally ignoring Microsoft's - and 99.99% of
> the user community's - advice. It's about someone so stupid that, when
> someone (OK several people) pointed out his error instead of conceding,
> continued to deny everything and blame Microsoft with stupid remarks such
> as
>
> "Why do computer people thnk we should know their job?"
>
> and
>
> "SP2 backed up my files before installing".
>
> Well I, and I'm sure many others, wash our hands of you. Microsoft did
> make something just for you - they call it the XBox. It currently retails
> for £100 (which includes a game) so you should have plenty of cash left
> over from selling your computer.
>
> Don't let the trapdoor hit you on the way down.
>
> *CLUNK*
>
>
> *PLONK*
>
> I broke my golden rule because you just infuriated me that much. There is
> a famous saying that definitely applies to you: -
>
> http://www.whitetreeaz.com/gibber/flame.htm
>
> That just about sums you up nicely.
>
> Now do go away and stop polluting Usenet. It (used to be at least) is
> ecologically sound here and we don't need your effluence polluting the
> crystal clear rivers of ideas and good advice here (some of which we
> offered to you, but you declined on the grounds of stupidity).
>
> <picks up Jim and dumps him in the toilet>
>
> *FLUSH*
>
> --
> My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
> lose his marbles?
>
>

[SlowJet]

Let's see, overly expressed missed directed anger from sexual arousal
caused by intellectual stimulation.
Yep, she's in LOVVVVVVVE with you, Jim!

SJ
"Miss Perspicacia Tick" > wrote in message
.. .
> Jim wrote:
>> Hey tick f@ckwit (as you so elequently put it),
>>
>> I don't have system problems, I have email problems. Problems I (and
>> many other posters) did not have until SP2. If you're going to make
>> stupid remarks, at least know what the thread is about.
>
> Oh PLEASE!! Give me strength! I know exactly what the thread is about -
> it's about a moronic f*ckwit called Jim (that's you by the way - in case
> you're too stupid to recognise yourself) who was too stupid to back up his
> files before installing SP2 (totally ignoring Microsoft's - and 99.99% of
> the user community's - advice. It's about someone so stupid that, when
> someone (OK several people) pointed out his error instead of conceding,
> continued to deny everything and blame Microsoft with stupid remarks such
> as
>
> "Why do computer people thnk we should know their job?"
>
> and
>
> "SP2 backed up my files before installing".
>
> Well I, and I'm sure many others, wash our hands of you. Microsoft did
> make something just for you - they call it the XBox. It currently retails
> for £100 (which includes a game) so you should have plenty of cash left
> over from selling your computer.
>
> Don't let the trapdoor hit you on the way down.
>
> *CLUNK*
>
>
> *PLONK*
>
> I broke my golden rule because you just infuriated me that much. There is
> a famous saying that definitely applies to you: -
>
> http://www.whitetreeaz.com/gibber/flame.htm
>
> That just about sums you up nicely.
>
> Now do go away and stop polluting Usenet. It (used to be at least) is
> ecologically sound here and we don't need your effluence polluting the
> crystal clear rivers of ideas and good advice here (some of which we
> offered to you, but you declined on the grounds of stupidity).
>
> <picks up Jim and dumps him in the toilet>
>
> *FLUSH*
>
> --
> My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
> lose his marbles?
>
>

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

"obsessed about this backup issue"?
Really?
You brought it up when you stated ""(as destroying data)" Pretty much
what SP2 did to me."
Or does "destroying data" mean something different to you than it does
to me?

Perhaps you need to read your earlier posts before responding to a
later post.

You should really go back to your job and drop any hobbies dealing
with technology.
Start paying those that can manage these tasks you find so difficult.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Jim" > wrote in message
...
> You know, you guys are so obsessed about this backup issue, you
> think I'm
> missing the point? Geez, my data is there. With the help of Jon, I
> found
> it. The data and backups are not the issue here. The issue is, why
> did this
> upgrade completely wipe out my outlook express and then leave it up
> to the
> end user to figure out how to reconfigure it and transfer the data
> back?
> That's a weird way of doing business.
>
> It's not like I'm the only one who's had this problem. I searched
> through
> some other posts, a lot of people have posted problems with SP2,
> including
> this same one! That's just people who know enough to come here!
> Most people
> just ask a computer guy where they work or whatever, so you are only
> seeing
> the tip of things. It's also not like I went to xyz.com and
> downloaded
> something without knowing what it was. This was from Microsoft, it
> should've
> performed better! They just need to step up and admit it didn't
> perfom as
> well as it could have instead of calling your customers "morons." I
> can't
> imagine causing my customers to have a problem and then telling them
> it's
> their fault? I don't think Microsoft employees accept that where
> they do
> business either!
>
> I'm marking this thread as "NO" on the question "Did this post
> answer the
> question? " simply because of all the unwarranted grief I recieved
> from
> people here.
>
> bye
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> Flawed observation ""(as destroying data)" Pretty much what SP2 did
>> to
>> me."
>> Now if you would seriously consider all other possibilities, you
>> may
>> be taken seriously.
>> But so far, you have totally ignored other possible causes.
>> Anyone that has "destroying data" is totally their own fault.
>> Routine back-ups are always important, not just during a major
>> change...another fact you have yet to learn.
>>
>> You have proven nothing except your dislike for SP-2 fuelled by
>> your
>> on unjustified bias.
>>
>> Step back a bit.
>> Try a Clean Installation on your computer.
>> Then see how SP-2 installation goes.
>> You have nothing to lose except that possibly SP-2 would work on
>> your
>> now clean computer.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>>
>>
>> "Jim" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Jup,
>> >
>> > Main Entry: vi·rus
>> > Pronunciation: 'vI-r&s
>> > Function: noun
>> >
>> > 4 : a computer program usually hidden within another seemingly
>> > innocuous
>> > program that produces copies of itself and inserts them into
>> > other
>> > programs
>> > and that usually performs a malicious action (as destroying data)
>> >
>> > "(as destroying data)" Pretty much what SP2 did to me.
>> >
>> > No wonder you didn't want to give the definition.........
>> >
>> > "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>>
>>
>>

[Miss Perspicacia Tick]

SlowJet wrote:
> Let's see, overly expressed missed directed anger from sexual arousal
> caused by intellectual stimulation.
> Yep, she's in LOVVVVVVVE with you, Jim!

Oh yeah. "it's love, Jim, just not as we know it.." ;o) And don't quote
Shakespeare at me - read most of them for A-Level! ;o)



--
My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
lose his marbles?

[Giga]

Before I start, shame on all of you who have attacked Jim, he came here for
help and endured abuse.

Give the man a break. SP2 is not perfect, and it is not his fault. I am
computer literate, and I keep my system clean and I back up to a secondary
hard drive. I installed SP2, and I had huge system crashes. You want to know
how I fixed it? I unplugged my secondary hard drive with the backups on it,
and reinstalled Windows. How can this be an end-users fault? The HDD was not
compatible with SP2. I have tested the HDD in several computers with SP2, and
it does not work. It still works on SP1 though. This means that I cannot
access my backups with SP2 installed unless I get another computer (which I
did - not a new one I might add, I am not rich) and have SP1 on it (which it
has) and network the two computers and share the HDD. That works, and the
problem was definitely caused by SP2. Other than that, I have found SP2 to be
reasonably good, with the expected teething issues.

Also, putting instructions on the address you gave is nice, but what makes
you think that every computer illiterate person that needs to read it will
accidentally stumble accross it before they hurt themselves? The doctors
label is right in front of them and people see it easily, but the web address
does not search them down. MS needs to be a little more proactive, one method
would be to have a prompt on the SP2 installer to tell people to be cautious
and do research before continuing. If that happened, Jim would have been a
lot safer.

One more thing, what makes you think he is stupid? He may know a fair bit
about computers, just not about MS's history. What is there to make him
suspect that (without previous experience) when it says backing up, it only
means certain files and nothing important? That is not a common sense issue.

"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote:

> Jim wrote:
>
> > To all of you "BOC's -- Backup Obsessive Compulsives,"
> >
> > If you truly know about SP2, YOU would know it had a pop up screen
> > that said "please wait while we backup your files." Ergo, backups
> > (or lack thereof) were not the problem anyway.
>
> You truly are a f*ckwit of the highest order. Are you seriously telling us -
> in all seriousness - that you thought that 'backing up files' meant it was
> performing a full system backup?! It backs the files that SP2 updates,
> nothing more. It takes about five minutes (if that) to back up files - you
> seriously think that, in that time, it backs up your entire hard drive in
> that time?! But, had you bothered to do any homework at all, you'd have
> known that.
>
> The problem is, where
> > did it put the backed up files, what was I supposed to do with them
> > and (most importantly), why should I know what to do with them?
>
> See above.
>
>
> > This isn't my field! It's Microsoft's!
>
> And how is common sense and clue Microsoft's field?! You clearly have
> neither. How on earth can it be Microsoft's fault if you fail to sustain a
> properly maintained system?! Is it Microsoft's fault that you completely
> failed to perform a full system back up before proceeding with such a major
> update?! No it is not. Stop blaming Microsoft for your own stupidity!
>
> Your doctor does not expect
> > you to be medically trained to be treated, your phamacist does not
> > expect you to know how drugs interact, whu are computer people always
> > expecting the general public to learn THEIR profession?
>
> Erm, they don't. However, a doctor does expect that their patient has the
> common sense to read the label on the medicine bottle and follow the
> instructions. Microsoft expects their users to have the common sense to
> perform a full system backup and cleanse their systems; but, in case they
> don't, they put full instructions on their website here
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.aspx,
> specifically for cretinous morons (or moronic cretins) such as you.
>
> I'll quote the front page for you.
>
> Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) provides better protection against viruses,
> hackers, and worms, and includes Windows Firewall, Pop-up Blocker for
> Internet Explorer, and the new Windows Security Center.
>
>
> Important: Follow these steps before installing Windows XP SP2 to
> prevent potential conflicts with other software on your computer:
>
>
> 1. Back up your critical files
>
> 2. Check your computer for spyware and other unwanted software
>
> 3. Check for special update instructions from your computer's
> manufacturer.
>
> Once you have completed these steps, you can download this and all other
> critical updates.
>
>
> The best thing you can do now is sell your computer and buy a PlayStation.
> You don't have the mental capability - or the common sense - to operate a
> computer. Or, if your computer is still under warranty, suggest you package
> it back up and take it back to the shop and tell them you're too stupid to
> own a computer.
>
> You are a moron.
>
>
> --
> My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
> lose his marbles?
>
>
>
>

[Jone Doe]

"Giga" > wrote in message
...
> Before I start, shame on all of you who have attacked Jim, he came here
> for
> help and endured abuse. <snip>

Whoa. He got it, and chose to ignore it. He chose to not admit he had made
a mistake, and blamed MS for everything from his loss of emails because he
didn't back up to global warming. Although I stayed out of the
conversation, I saw a lot of patience and good advice offered, all of which
was rejected because Jim was in 'blame mode' and didn't want to hear it. He
pushed a lot of people beyond their frustration limit.




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[Edward W. Thompson]

Would you mind letting us know what "HDD is not compatible" with WINXP SP2?

You would be assisting many with that info as I am sure it is not common
knowledge that certain HDDs are not compatible with this MS Service Pack,
certainly Microsoft has not made any statement to that effect as far as I
know..


"Giga" > wrote in message
...
> Before I start, shame on all of you who have attacked Jim, he came here
> for
> help and endured abuse.
>
> Give the man a break. SP2 is not perfect, and it is not his fault. I am
> computer literate, and I keep my system clean and I back up to a secondary
> hard drive. I installed SP2, and I had huge system crashes. You want to
> know
> how I fixed it? I unplugged my secondary hard drive with the backups on
> it,
> and reinstalled Windows. How can this be an end-users fault? The HDD was
> not
> compatible with SP2. I have tested the HDD in several computers with SP2,
> and
> it does not work. It still works on SP1 though. This means that I cannot
> access my backups with SP2 installed unless I get another computer (which
> I
> did - not a new one I might add, I am not rich) and have SP1 on it (which
> it
> has) and network the two computers and share the HDD. That works, and the
> problem was definitely caused by SP2. Other than that, I have found SP2 to
> be
> reasonably good, with the expected teething issues.
>
> Also, putting instructions on the address you gave is nice, but what makes
> you think that every computer illiterate person that needs to read it will
> accidentally stumble accross it before they hurt themselves? The doctors
> label is right in front of them and people see it easily, but the web
> address
> does not search them down. MS needs to be a little more proactive, one
> method
> would be to have a prompt on the SP2 installer to tell people to be
> cautious
> and do research before continuing. If that happened, Jim would have been a
> lot safer.
>
> One more thing, what makes you think he is stupid? He may know a fair bit
> about computers, just not about MS's history. What is there to make him
> suspect that (without previous experience) when it says backing up, it
> only
> means certain files and nothing important? That is not a common sense
> issue.
>
> "Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote:
>
>> Jim wrote:
>>
>> > To all of you "BOC's -- Backup Obsessive Compulsives,"
>> >
>> > If you truly know about SP2, YOU would know it had a pop up screen
>> > that said "please wait while we backup your files." Ergo, backups
>> > (or lack thereof) were not the problem anyway.
>>
>> You truly are a f*ckwit of the highest order. Are you seriously telling
>> us -
>> in all seriousness - that you thought that 'backing up files' meant it
>> was
>> performing a full system backup?! It backs the files that SP2 updates,
>> nothing more. It takes about five minutes (if that) to back up files -
>> you
>> seriously think that, in that time, it backs up your entire hard drive in
>> that time?! But, had you bothered to do any homework at all, you'd have
>> known that.
>>
>> The problem is, where
>> > did it put the backed up files, what was I supposed to do with them
>> > and (most importantly), why should I know what to do with them?
>>
>> See above.
>>
>>
>> > This isn't my field! It's Microsoft's!
>>
>> And how is common sense and clue Microsoft's field?! You clearly have
>> neither. How on earth can it be Microsoft's fault if you fail to sustain
>> a
>> properly maintained system?! Is it Microsoft's fault that you completely
>> failed to perform a full system back up before proceeding with such a
>> major
>> update?! No it is not. Stop blaming Microsoft for your own stupidity!
>>
>> Your doctor does not expect
>> > you to be medically trained to be treated, your phamacist does not
>> > expect you to know how drugs interact, whu are computer people always
>> > expecting the general public to learn THEIR profession?
>>
>> Erm, they don't. However, a doctor does expect that their patient has the
>> common sense to read the label on the medicine bottle and follow the
>> instructions. Microsoft expects their users to have the common sense to
>> perform a full system backup and cleanse their systems; but, in case they
>> don't, they put full instructions on their website here
>> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.aspx,
>> specifically for cretinous morons (or moronic cretins) such as you.
>>
>> I'll quote the front page for you.
>>
>> Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) provides better protection against
>> viruses,
>> hackers, and worms, and includes Windows Firewall, Pop-up Blocker for
>> Internet Explorer, and the new Windows Security Center.
>>
>>
>> Important: Follow these steps before installing Windows XP SP2 to
>> prevent potential conflicts with other software on your computer:
>>
>>
>> 1. Back up your critical files
>>
>> 2. Check your computer for spyware and other unwanted software
>>
>> 3. Check for special update instructions from your computer's
>> manufacturer.
>>
>> Once you have completed these steps, you can download this and all other
>> critical updates.
>>
>>
>> The best thing you can do now is sell your computer and buy a
>> PlayStation.
>> You don't have the mental capability - or the common sense - to operate a
>> computer. Or, if your computer is still under warranty, suggest you
>> package
>> it back up and take it back to the shop and tell them you're too stupid
>> to
>> own a computer.
>>
>> You are a moron.
>>
>>
>> --
>> My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
>> lose his marbles?
>>
>>
>>
>>

[Rock]

Jim wrote:

> You know, you guys are so obsessed about this backup issue, you think I'm
> missing the point? Geez, my data is there. With the help of Jon, I found
> it. The data and backups are not the issue here. The issue is, why did this
> upgrade completely wipe out my outlook express and then leave it up to the
> end user to figure out how to reconfigure it and transfer the data back?
> That's a weird way of doing business.
>
> It's not like I'm the only one who's had this problem. I searched through
> some other posts, a lot of people have posted problems with SP2, including
> this same one! That's just people who know enough to come here! Most people
> just ask a computer guy where they work or whatever, so you are only seeing
> the tip of things. It's also not like I went to xyz.com and downloaded
> something without knowing what it was. This was from Microsoft, it should've
> performed better! They just need to step up and admit it didn't perfom as
> well as it could have instead of calling your customers "morons." I can't
> imagine causing my customers to have a problem and then telling them it's
> their fault? I don't think Microsoft employees accept that where they do
> business either!
>
> I'm marking this thread as "NO" on the question "Did this post answer the
> question? " simply because of all the unwarranted grief I recieved from
> people here.
>
> bye
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>
>
>>Flawed observation ""(as destroying data)" Pretty much what SP2 did to
>>me."
>>Now if you would seriously consider all other possibilities, you may
>>be taken seriously.
>>But so far, you have totally ignored other possible causes.
>>Anyone that has "destroying data" is totally their own fault.
>>Routine back-ups are always important, not just during a major
>>change...another fact you have yet to learn.
>>
>>You have proven nothing except your dislike for SP-2 fuelled by your
>>on unjustified bias.
>>
>>Step back a bit.
>>Try a Clean Installation on your computer.
>>Then see how SP-2 installation goes.
>>You have nothing to lose except that possibly SP-2 would work on your
>>now clean computer.
>>
>>--
>>Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>>
>>
>>"Jim" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>Jup,
>>>
>>>Main Entry: vi·rus
>>>Pronunciation: 'vI-r&s
>>>Function: noun
>>>
>>>4 : a computer program usually hidden within another seemingly
>>>innocuous
>>>program that produces copies of itself and inserts them into other
>>>programs
>>>and that usually performs a malicious action (as destroying data)
>>>
>>>"(as destroying data)" Pretty much what SP2 did to me.
>>>
>>>No wonder you didn't want to give the definition.........
>>>
>>>"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>>
>>
>>

You create and are responsible for your own grief.

[Rock]

Giga wrote:

> Before I start, shame on all of you who have attacked Jim, he came here for
> help and endured abuse.
>
> Give the man a break. SP2 is not perfect, and it is not his fault. I am
> computer literate, and I keep my system clean and I back up to a secondary
> hard drive. I installed SP2, and I had huge system crashes. You want to know
> how I fixed it? I unplugged my secondary hard drive with the backups on it,
> and reinstalled Windows. How can this be an end-users fault? The HDD was not
> compatible with SP2. I have tested the HDD in several computers with SP2, and
> it does not work. It still works on SP1 though. This means that I cannot
> access my backups with SP2 installed unless I get another computer (which I
> did - not a new one I might add, I am not rich) and have SP1 on it (which it
> has) and network the two computers and share the HDD. That works, and the
> problem was definitely caused by SP2. Other than that, I have found SP2 to be
> reasonably good, with the expected teething issues.
>
> Also, putting instructions on the address you gave is nice, but what makes
> you think that every computer illiterate person that needs to read it will
> accidentally stumble accross it before they hurt themselves? The doctors
> label is right in front of them and people see it easily, but the web address
> does not search them down. MS needs to be a little more proactive, one method
> would be to have a prompt on the SP2 installer to tell people to be cautious
> and do research before continuing. If that happened, Jim would have been a
> lot safer.
>
> One more thing, what makes you think he is stupid? He may know a fair bit
> about computers, just not about MS's history. What is there to make him
> suspect that (without previous experience) when it says backing up, it only
> means certain files and nothing important? That is not a common sense issue.
>
> "Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote:
>
>
>>Jim wrote:
>>
>>
>>>To all of you "BOC's -- Backup Obsessive Compulsives,"
>>>
>>>If you truly know about SP2, YOU would know it had a pop up screen
>>>that said "please wait while we backup your files." Ergo, backups
>>>(or lack thereof) were not the problem anyway.
>>
>>You truly are a f*ckwit of the highest order. Are you seriously telling us -
>>in all seriousness - that you thought that 'backing up files' meant it was
>>performing a full system backup?! It backs the files that SP2 updates,
>>nothing more. It takes about five minutes (if that) to back up files - you
>>seriously think that, in that time, it backs up your entire hard drive in
>>that time?! But, had you bothered to do any homework at all, you'd have
>>known that.
>>
>>The problem is, where
>>
>>>did it put the backed up files, what was I supposed to do with them
>>>and (most importantly), why should I know what to do with them?
>>
>>See above.
>>
>>
>>
>>>This isn't my field! It's Microsoft's!
>>
>>And how is common sense and clue Microsoft's field?! You clearly have
>>neither. How on earth can it be Microsoft's fault if you fail to sustain a
>>properly maintained system?! Is it Microsoft's fault that you completely
>>failed to perform a full system back up before proceeding with such a major
>>update?! No it is not. Stop blaming Microsoft for your own stupidity!
>>
>>Your doctor does not expect
>>
>>>you to be medically trained to be treated, your phamacist does not
>>>expect you to know how drugs interact, whu are computer people always
>>>expecting the general public to learn THEIR profession?
>>
>>Erm, they don't. However, a doctor does expect that their patient has the
>>common sense to read the label on the medicine bottle and follow the
>>instructions. Microsoft expects their users to have the common sense to
>>perform a full system backup and cleanse their systems; but, in case they
>>don't, they put full instructions on their website here
>>http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.aspx,
>>specifically for cretinous morons (or moronic cretins) such as you.
>>
>>I'll quote the front page for you.
>>
>>Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) provides better protection against viruses,
>>hackers, and worms, and includes Windows Firewall, Pop-up Blocker for
>>Internet Explorer, and the new Windows Security Center.
>>
>>
>> Important: Follow these steps before installing Windows XP SP2 to
>>prevent potential conflicts with other software on your computer:
>>
>>
>>1. Back up your critical files
>>
>>2. Check your computer for spyware and other unwanted software
>>
>>3. Check for special update instructions from your computer's
>>manufacturer.
>>
>>Once you have completed these steps, you can download this and all other
>>critical updates.
>>
>>
>>The best thing you can do now is sell your computer and buy a PlayStation.
>>You don't have the mental capability - or the common sense - to operate a
>>computer. Or, if your computer is still under warranty, suggest you package
>>it back up and take it back to the shop and tell them you're too stupid to
>>own a computer.
>>
>>You are a moron.
>>
>>
>>--
>>My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
>>lose his marbles?
>>
>>
>>
>>

What HDD is not compatible with SP2?

[Miss Perspicacia Tick]

Rock wrote:
> Giga wrote:
>
>> Before I start, shame on all of you who have attacked Jim, he came
>> here for help and endured abuse.
>>
>> Give the man a break. SP2 is not perfect, and it is not his fault. I
>> am computer literate, and I keep my system clean and I back up to a
>> secondary hard drive. I installed SP2, and I had huge system
>> crashes. You want to know how I fixed it? I unplugged my secondary
>> hard drive with the backups on it, and reinstalled Windows. How can
>> this be an end-users fault? The HDD was not compatible with SP2. I
>> have tested the HDD in several computers with SP2, and it does not
>> work. It still works on SP1 though. This means that I cannot access
>> my backups with SP2 installed unless I get another computer (which I
>> did - not a new one I might add, I am not rich) and have SP1 on it
>> (which it has) and network the two computers and share the HDD. That
>> works, and the problem was definitely caused by SP2. Other than
>> that, I have found SP2 to be reasonably good, with the expected
>> teething issues. Also, putting instructions on the address you gave is
>> nice, but what
>> makes you think that every computer illiterate person that needs to
>> read it will accidentally stumble accross it before they hurt
>> themselves? The doctors label is right in front of them and people
>> see it easily, but the web address does not search them down. MS
>> needs to be a little more proactive, one method would be to have a
>> prompt on the SP2 installer to tell people to be cautious and do
>> research before continuing. If that happened, Jim would have been a
>> lot safer. One more thing, what makes you think he is stupid? He may know
>> a
>> fair bit about computers, just not about MS's history. What is there
>> to make him suspect that (without previous experience) when it says
>> backing up, it only means certain files and nothing important? That
>> is not a common sense issue. "Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Jim wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> To all of you "BOC's -- Backup Obsessive Compulsives,"
>>>>
>>>> If you truly know about SP2, YOU would know it had a pop up screen
>>>> that said "please wait while we backup your files." Ergo, backups
>>>> (or lack thereof) were not the problem anyway.
>>>
>>> You truly are a f*ckwit of the highest order. Are you seriously
>>> telling us - in all seriousness - that you thought that 'backing up
>>> files' meant it was performing a full system backup?! It backs the
>>> files that SP2 updates, nothing more. It takes about five minutes
>>> (if that) to back up files - you seriously think that, in that
>>> time, it backs up your entire hard drive in that time?! But, had
>>> you bothered to do any homework at all, you'd have known that.
>>>
>>> The problem is, where
>>>
>>>> did it put the backed up files, what was I supposed to do with them
>>>> and (most importantly), why should I know what to do with them?
>>>
>>> See above.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> This isn't my field! It's Microsoft's!
>>>
>>> And how is common sense and clue Microsoft's field?! You clearly
>>> have neither. How on earth can it be Microsoft's fault if you fail
>>> to sustain a properly maintained system?! Is it Microsoft's fault
>>> that you completely failed to perform a full system back up before
>>> proceeding with such a major update?! No it is not. Stop blaming
>>> Microsoft for your own stupidity! Your doctor does not expect
>>>
>>>> you to be medically trained to be treated, your phamacist does not
>>>> expect you to know how drugs interact, whu are computer people
>>>> always expecting the general public to learn THEIR profession?
>>>
>>> Erm, they don't. However, a doctor does expect that their patient
>>> has the common sense to read the label on the medicine bottle and
>>> follow the instructions. Microsoft expects their users to have the
>>> common sense to perform a full system backup and cleanse their
>>> systems; but, in case they don't, they put full instructions on
>>> their website here
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.aspx,
>>> specifically for cretinous morons (or moronic cretins) such as you. I'll
>>> quote the front page for you.
>>>
>>> Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) provides better protection against
>>> viruses, hackers, and worms, and includes Windows Firewall, Pop-up
>>> Blocker for Internet Explorer, and the new Windows Security Center.
>>>
>>>
>>> Important: Follow these steps before installing Windows XP
>>> SP2 to prevent potential conflicts with other software on your
>>> computer: 1. Back up your critical files
>>>
>>> 2. Check your computer for spyware and other unwanted software
>>>
>>> 3. Check for special update instructions from your computer's
>>> manufacturer.
>>>
>>> Once you have completed these steps, you can download this and all
>>> other critical updates.
>>>
>>>
>>> The best thing you can do now is sell your computer and buy a
>>> PlayStation. You don't have the mental capability - or the common
>>> sense - to operate a computer. Or, if your computer is still under
>>> warranty, suggest you package it back up and take it back to the
>>> shop and tell them you're too stupid to own a computer.
>>>
>>> You are a moron.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he
>>> eventually lose his marbles?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
> What HDD is not compatible with SP2?


Will you please learn to *SNIP* damnit?!
--
My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
lose his marbles?

[Giga]

Certainly. It is a Maxtor 20GB hard drive, I cannot remember the exact model
number. My Maxtor 40GB on the other hand works perfectly fine. I may come
back later with the exact model number if I can find it. When I got the
crashes, I heard the hard drive start to spin up just before it happened, and
it was not spinning before, so I suspect the error was caused by the fact
that the hard drive was too slow so Windows rejected it (this was recovering
from standby in this case). It also makes the computer take a LOT longer to
boot, it took "3 loading bars" to load past the boot screen, then I added the
HDD as a slave and it took "20 loading bars" with no other system changes.

"Edward W. Thompson" wrote:

> Would you mind letting us know what "HDD is not compatible" with WINXP SP2?
>
> You would be assisting many with that info as I am sure it is not common
> knowledge that certain HDDs are not compatible with this MS Service Pack,
> certainly Microsoft has not made any statement to that effect as far as I
> know..
>
>
> "Giga" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Before I start, shame on all of you who have attacked Jim, he came here
> > for
> > help and endured abuse.
> >
> > Give the man a break. SP2 is not perfect, and it is not his fault. I am
> > computer literate, and I keep my system clean and I back up to a secondary
> > hard drive. I installed SP2, and I had huge system crashes. You want to
> > know
> > how I fixed it? I unplugged my secondary hard drive with the backups on
> > it,
> > and reinstalled Windows. How can this be an end-users fault? The HDD was
> > not
> > compatible with SP2. I have tested the HDD in several computers with SP2,
> > and
> > it does not work. It still works on SP1 though. This means that I cannot
> > access my backups with SP2 installed unless I get another computer (which
> > I
> > did - not a new one I might add, I am not rich) and have SP1 on it (which
> > it
> > has) and network the two computers and share the HDD. That works, and the
> > problem was definitely caused by SP2. Other than that, I have found SP2 to
> > be
> > reasonably good, with the expected teething issues.
> >
> > Also, putting instructions on the address you gave is nice, but what makes
> > you think that every computer illiterate person that needs to read it will
> > accidentally stumble accross it before they hurt themselves? The doctors
> > label is right in front of them and people see it easily, but the web
> > address
> > does not search them down. MS needs to be a little more proactive, one
> > method
> > would be to have a prompt on the SP2 installer to tell people to be
> > cautious
> > and do research before continuing. If that happened, Jim would have been a
> > lot safer.
> >
> > One more thing, what makes you think he is stupid? He may know a fair bit
> > about computers, just not about MS's history. What is there to make him
> > suspect that (without previous experience) when it says backing up, it
> > only
> > means certain files and nothing important? That is not a common sense
> > issue.
> >
> > "Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote:
> >
> >> Jim wrote:
> >>
> >> > To all of you "BOC's -- Backup Obsessive Compulsives,"
> >> >
> >> > If you truly know about SP2, YOU would know it had a pop up screen
> >> > that said "please wait while we backup your files." Ergo, backups
> >> > (or lack thereof) were not the problem anyway.
> >>
> >> You truly are a f*ckwit of the highest order. Are you seriously telling
> >> us -
> >> in all seriousness - that you thought that 'backing up files' meant it
> >> was
> >> performing a full system backup?! It backs the files that SP2 updates,
> >> nothing more. It takes about five minutes (if that) to back up files -
> >> you
> >> seriously think that, in that time, it backs up your entire hard drive in
> >> that time?! But, had you bothered to do any homework at all, you'd have
> >> known that.
> >>
> >> The problem is, where
> >> > did it put the backed up files, what was I supposed to do with them
> >> > and (most importantly), why should I know what to do with them?
> >>
> >> See above.
> >>
> >>
> >> > This isn't my field! It's Microsoft's!
> >>
> >> And how is common sense and clue Microsoft's field?! You clearly have
> >> neither. How on earth can it be Microsoft's fault if you fail to sustain
> >> a
> >> properly maintained system?! Is it Microsoft's fault that you completely
> >> failed to perform a full system back up before proceeding with such a
> >> major
> >> update?! No it is not. Stop blaming Microsoft for your own stupidity!
> >>
> >> Your doctor does not expect
> >> > you to be medically trained to be treated, your phamacist does not
> >> > expect you to know how drugs interact, whu are computer people always
> >> > expecting the general public to learn THEIR profession?
> >>
> >> Erm, they don't. However, a doctor does expect that their patient has the
> >> common sense to read the label on the medicine bottle and follow the
> >> instructions. Microsoft expects their users to have the common sense to
> >> perform a full system backup and cleanse their systems; but, in case they
> >> don't, they put full instructions on their website here
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.aspx,
> >> specifically for cretinous morons (or moronic cretins) such as you.
> >>
> >> I'll quote the front page for you.
> >>
> >> Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) provides better protection against
> >> viruses,
> >> hackers, and worms, and includes Windows Firewall, Pop-up Blocker for
> >> Internet Explorer, and the new Windows Security Center.
> >>
> >>
> >> Important: Follow these steps before installing Windows XP SP2 to
> >> prevent potential conflicts with other software on your computer:
> >>
> >>
> >> 1. Back up your critical files
> >>
> >> 2. Check your computer for spyware and other unwanted software
> >>
> >> 3. Check for special update instructions from your computer's
> >> manufacturer.
> >>
> >> Once you have completed these steps, you can download this and all other
> >> critical updates.
> >>
> >>
> >> The best thing you can do now is sell your computer and buy a
> >> PlayStation.
> >> You don't have the mental capability - or the common sense - to operate a
> >> computer. Or, if your computer is still under warranty, suggest you
> >> package
> >> it back up and take it back to the shop and tell them you're too stupid
> >> to
> >> own a computer.
> >>
> >> You are a moron.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
> >> lose his marbles?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

[Giga]

See the reply to Edwards post, I don't know the model number at this time but
I should update later. It is a Maxtor 20GB drive.

"Rock" wrote:

> Giga wrote:
>
> > Before I start, shame on all of you who have attacked Jim, he came here for
> > help and endured abuse.
> >
> > Give the man a break. SP2 is not perfect, and it is not his fault. I am
> > computer literate, and I keep my system clean and I back up to a secondary
> > hard drive. I installed SP2, and I had huge system crashes. You want to know
> > how I fixed it? I unplugged my secondary hard drive with the backups on it,
> > and reinstalled Windows. How can this be an end-users fault? The HDD was not
> > compatible with SP2. I have tested the HDD in several computers with SP2, and
> > it does not work. It still works on SP1 though. This means that I cannot
> > access my backups with SP2 installed unless I get another computer (which I
> > did - not a new one I might add, I am not rich) and have SP1 on it (which it
> > has) and network the two computers and share the HDD. That works, and the
> > problem was definitely caused by SP2. Other than that, I have found SP2 to be
> > reasonably good, with the expected teething issues.
> >
> > Also, putting instructions on the address you gave is nice, but what makes
> > you think that every computer illiterate person that needs to read it will
> > accidentally stumble accross it before they hurt themselves? The doctors
> > label is right in front of them and people see it easily, but the web address
> > does not search them down. MS needs to be a little more proactive, one method
> > would be to have a prompt on the SP2 installer to tell people to be cautious
> > and do research before continuing. If that happened, Jim would have been a
> > lot safer.
> >
> > One more thing, what makes you think he is stupid? He may know a fair bit
> > about computers, just not about MS's history. What is there to make him
> > suspect that (without previous experience) when it says backing up, it only
> > means certain files and nothing important? That is not a common sense issue.
> >
> > "Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Jim wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>To all of you "BOC's -- Backup Obsessive Compulsives,"
> >>>
> >>>If you truly know about SP2, YOU would know it had a pop up screen
> >>>that said "please wait while we backup your files." Ergo, backups
> >>>(or lack thereof) were not the problem anyway.
> >>
> >>You truly are a f*ckwit of the highest order. Are you seriously telling us -
> >>in all seriousness - that you thought that 'backing up files' meant it was
> >>performing a full system backup?! It backs the files that SP2 updates,
> >>nothing more. It takes about five minutes (if that) to back up files - you
> >>seriously think that, in that time, it backs up your entire hard drive in
> >>that time?! But, had you bothered to do any homework at all, you'd have
> >>known that.
> >>
> >>The problem is, where
> >>
> >>>did it put the backed up files, what was I supposed to do with them
> >>>and (most importantly), why should I know what to do with them?
> >>
> >>See above.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>This isn't my field! It's Microsoft's!
> >>
> >>And how is common sense and clue Microsoft's field?! You clearly have
> >>neither. How on earth can it be Microsoft's fault if you fail to sustain a
> >>properly maintained system?! Is it Microsoft's fault that you completely
> >>failed to perform a full system back up before proceeding with such a major
> >>update?! No it is not. Stop blaming Microsoft for your own stupidity!
> >>
> >>Your doctor does not expect
> >>
> >>>you to be medically trained to be treated, your phamacist does not
> >>>expect you to know how drugs interact, whu are computer people always
> >>>expecting the general public to learn THEIR profession?
> >>
> >>Erm, they don't. However, a doctor does expect that their patient has the
> >>common sense to read the label on the medicine bottle and follow the
> >>instructions. Microsoft expects their users to have the common sense to
> >>perform a full system backup and cleanse their systems; but, in case they
> >>don't, they put full instructions on their website here
> >>http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.aspx,
> >>specifically for cretinous morons (or moronic cretins) such as you.
> >>
> >>I'll quote the front page for you.
> >>
> >>Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) provides better protection against viruses,
> >>hackers, and worms, and includes Windows Firewall, Pop-up Blocker for
> >>Internet Explorer, and the new Windows Security Center.
> >>
> >>
> >> Important: Follow these steps before installing Windows XP SP2 to
> >>prevent potential conflicts with other software on your computer:
> >>
> >>
> >>1. Back up your critical files
> >>
> >>2. Check your computer for spyware and other unwanted software
> >>
> >>3. Check for special update instructions from your computer's
> >>manufacturer.
> >>
> >>Once you have completed these steps, you can download this and all other
> >>critical updates.
> >>
> >>
> >>The best thing you can do now is sell your computer and buy a PlayStation.
> >>You don't have the mental capability - or the common sense - to operate a
> >>computer. Or, if your computer is still under warranty, suggest you package
> >>it back up and take it back to the shop and tell them you're too stupid to
> >>own a computer.
> >>
> >>You are a moron.
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
> >>lose his marbles?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> What HDD is not compatible with SP2?
>
>

[Giga]

Yes, he did get help, but he got a lot more abuse. By the way, telling him to
back up after the incident isn't really helping him solve the current
problem, it will only help prevent further losses down the track. The help he
did get (telling him what directory and files to look for) he did not ignore.

"Jone Doe" wrote:

>
> "Giga" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Before I start, shame on all of you who have attacked Jim, he came here
> > for
> > help and endured abuse. <snip>
>
> Whoa. He got it, and chose to ignore it. He chose to not admit he had made
> a mistake, and blamed MS for everything from his loss of emails because he
> didn't back up to global warming. Although I stayed out of the
> conversation, I saw a lot of patience and good advice offered, all of which
> was rejected because Jim was in 'blame mode' and didn't want to hear it. He
> pushed a lot of people beyond their frustration limit.
>
>
>
>
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.755 / Virus Database: 505 - Release Date: 9/8/2004
>
>
>

[Jim]

Giga,
Thanks for being about the only sensible one here. One poster said they
were assaulting me because I pushed them beyond their limits. The funny
thing is, I originally posted my problem, a couple people told me some things
to try, I came back and said thanks, that did it.
This thread would've ended in five posts. However, all these trolls came
here, and because they apparently had nothing positive to offer, decided to
use this as an opportunity to take out their chat room sexual frustrations
(or whatever they're suffering) on me, thus turning this into a 70+ post
thread debacle!

"Giga" wrote:

> See the reply to Edwards post, I don't know the model number at this time but
> I should update later. It is a Maxtor 20GB drive.
>
> "Rock" wrote:
>
> > Giga wrote:
> >
> > > Before I start, shame on all of you who have attacked Jim, he came here for
> > > help and endured abuse.
> > >
> > > Give the man a break. SP2 is not perfect, and it is not his fault. I am
> > > computer literate, and I keep my system clean and I back up to a secondary
> > > hard drive. I installed SP2, and I had huge system crashes. You want to know
> > > how I fixed it? I unplugged my secondary hard drive with the backups on it,
> > > and reinstalled Windows. How can this be an end-users fault? The HDD was not
> > > compatible with SP2. I have tested the HDD in several computers with SP2, and
> > > it does not work. It still works on SP1 though. This means that I cannot
> > > access my backups with SP2 installed unless I get another computer (which I
> > > did - not a new one I might add, I am not rich) and have SP1 on it (which it
> > > has) and network the two computers and share the HDD. That works, and the
> > > problem was definitely caused by SP2. Other than that, I have found SP2 to be
> > > reasonably good, with the expected teething issues.
> > >
> > > Also, putting instructions on the address you gave is nice, but what makes
> > > you think that every computer illiterate person that needs to read it will
> > > accidentally stumble accross it before they hurt themselves? The doctors
> > > label is right in front of them and people see it easily, but the web address
> > > does not search them down. MS needs to be a little more proactive, one method
> > > would be to have a prompt on the SP2 installer to tell people to be cautious
> > > and do research before continuing. If that happened, Jim would have been a
> > > lot safer.
> > >
> > > One more thing, what makes you think he is stupid? He may know a fair bit
> > > about computers, just not about MS's history. What is there to make him
> > > suspect that (without previous experience) when it says backing up, it only
> > > means certain files and nothing important? That is not a common sense issue.
> > >
> > > "Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Jim wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>To all of you "BOC's -- Backup Obsessive Compulsives,"
> > >>>
> > >>>If you truly know about SP2, YOU would know it had a pop up screen
> > >>>that said "please wait while we backup your files." Ergo, backups
> > >>>(or lack thereof) were not the problem anyway.
> > >>
> > >>You truly are a f*ckwit of the highest order. Are you seriously telling us -
> > >>in all seriousness - that you thought that 'backing up files' meant it was
> > >>performing a full system backup?! It backs the files that SP2 updates,
> > >>nothing more. It takes about five minutes (if that) to back up files - you
> > >>seriously think that, in that time, it backs up your entire hard drive in
> > >>that time?! But, had you bothered to do any homework at all, you'd have
> > >>known that.
> > >>
> > >>The problem is, where
> > >>
> > >>>did it put the backed up files, what was I supposed to do with them
> > >>>and (most importantly), why should I know what to do with them?
> > >>
> > >>See above.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>This isn't my field! It's Microsoft's!
> > >>
> > >>And how is common sense and clue Microsoft's field?! You clearly have
> > >>neither. How on earth can it be Microsoft's fault if you fail to sustain a
> > >>properly maintained system?! Is it Microsoft's fault that you completely
> > >>failed to perform a full system back up before proceeding with such a major
> > >>update?! No it is not. Stop blaming Microsoft for your own stupidity!
> > >>
> > >>Your doctor does not expect
> > >>
> > >>>you to be medically trained to be treated, your phamacist does not
> > >>>expect you to know how drugs interact, whu are computer people always
> > >>>expecting the general public to learn THEIR profession?
> > >>
> > >>Erm, they don't. However, a doctor does expect that their patient has the
> > >>common sense to read the label on the medicine bottle and follow the
> > >>instructions. Microsoft expects their users to have the common sense to
> > >>perform a full system backup and cleanse their systems; but, in case they
> > >>don't, they put full instructions on their website here
> > >>http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.aspx,
> > >>specifically for cretinous morons (or moronic cretins) such as you.
> > >>
> > >>I'll quote the front page for you.
> > >>
> > >>Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) provides better protection against viruses,
> > >>hackers, and worms, and includes Windows Firewall, Pop-up Blocker for
> > >>Internet Explorer, and the new Windows Security Center.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Important: Follow these steps before installing Windows XP SP2 to
> > >>prevent potential conflicts with other software on your computer:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>1. Back up your critical files
> > >>
> > >>2. Check your computer for spyware and other unwanted software
> > >>
> > >>3. Check for special update instructions from your computer's
> > >>manufacturer.
> > >>
> > >>Once you have completed these steps, you can download this and all other
> > >>critical updates.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>The best thing you can do now is sell your computer and buy a PlayStation.
> > >>You don't have the mental capability - or the common sense - to operate a
> > >>computer. Or, if your computer is still under warranty, suggest you package
> > >>it back up and take it back to the shop and tell them you're too stupid to
> > >>own a computer.
> > >>
> > >>You are a moron.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>--
> > >>My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
> > >>lose his marbles?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> > What HDD is not compatible with SP2?
> >
> >

[Giga]

Maxtor Model 32049H2 manufactured 3rd of May 2001. I noticed that there is no
jumper on the drive, and the label says when the jumer is "off" then it is
set to slave. I doubt that has anything to do with it, but I thought I would
add it anyway.

A picture of the label if you need more information is here:
http://www.cbcnz.com/images/PICT0702.JPG

The drive seems to behave a little better now that I completely erased all
partitioning and remade one with SP2, but it still is not normal compared to
when SP1 was installed.

*Grumbles* Now I have to go put it back into the jigsaw-puzzle-like case...

"Giga" wrote:

> Certainly. It is a Maxtor 20GB hard drive, I cannot remember the exact model
> number. My Maxtor 40GB on the other hand works perfectly fine. I may come
> back later with the exact model number if I can find it. When I got the
> crashes, I heard the hard drive start to spin up just before it happened, and
> it was not spinning before, so I suspect the error was caused by the fact
> that the hard drive was too slow so Windows rejected it (this was recovering
> from standby in this case). It also makes the computer take a LOT longer to
> boot, it took "3 loading bars" to load past the boot screen, then I added the
> HDD as a slave and it took "20 loading bars" with no other system changes.
>
> "Edward W. Thompson" wrote:
>
> > Would you mind letting us know what "HDD is not compatible" with WINXP SP2?
> >
> > You would be assisting many with that info as I am sure it is not common
> > knowledge that certain HDDs are not compatible with this MS Service Pack,
> > certainly Microsoft has not made any statement to that effect as far as I
> > know..
> >
> >
> > "Giga" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Before I start, shame on all of you who have attacked Jim, he came here
> > > for
> > > help and endured abuse.
> > >
> > > Give the man a break. SP2 is not perfect, and it is not his fault. I am
> > > computer literate, and I keep my system clean and I back up to a secondary
> > > hard drive. I installed SP2, and I had huge system crashes. You want to
> > > know
> > > how I fixed it? I unplugged my secondary hard drive with the backups on
> > > it,
> > > and reinstalled Windows. How can this be an end-users fault? The HDD was
> > > not
> > > compatible with SP2. I have tested the HDD in several computers with SP2,
> > > and
> > > it does not work. It still works on SP1 though. This means that I cannot
> > > access my backups with SP2 installed unless I get another computer (which
> > > I
> > > did - not a new one I might add, I am not rich) and have SP1 on it (which
> > > it
> > > has) and network the two computers and share the HDD. That works, and the
> > > problem was definitely caused by SP2. Other than that, I have found SP2 to
> > > be
> > > reasonably good, with the expected teething issues.
> > >
> > > Also, putting instructions on the address you gave is nice, but what makes
> > > you think that every computer illiterate person that needs to read it will
> > > accidentally stumble accross it before they hurt themselves? The doctors
> > > label is right in front of them and people see it easily, but the web
> > > address
> > > does not search them down. MS needs to be a little more proactive, one
> > > method
> > > would be to have a prompt on the SP2 installer to tell people to be
> > > cautious
> > > and do research before continuing. If that happened, Jim would have been a
> > > lot safer.
> > >
> > > One more thing, what makes you think he is stupid? He may know a fair bit
> > > about computers, just not about MS's history. What is there to make him
> > > suspect that (without previous experience) when it says backing up, it
> > > only
> > > means certain files and nothing important? That is not a common sense
> > > issue.
> > >
> > > "Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote:
> > >
> > >> Jim wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > To all of you "BOC's -- Backup Obsessive Compulsives,"
> > >> >
> > >> > If you truly know about SP2, YOU would know it had a pop up screen
> > >> > that said "please wait while we backup your files." Ergo, backups
> > >> > (or lack thereof) were not the problem anyway.
> > >>
> > >> You truly are a f*ckwit of the highest order. Are you seriously telling
> > >> us -
> > >> in all seriousness - that you thought that 'backing up files' meant it
> > >> was
> > >> performing a full system backup?! It backs the files that SP2 updates,
> > >> nothing more. It takes about five minutes (if that) to back up files -
> > >> you
> > >> seriously think that, in that time, it backs up your entire hard drive in
> > >> that time?! But, had you bothered to do any homework at all, you'd have
> > >> known that.
> > >>
> > >> The problem is, where
> > >> > did it put the backed up files, what was I supposed to do with them
> > >> > and (most importantly), why should I know what to do with them?
> > >>
> > >> See above.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > This isn't my field! It's Microsoft's!
> > >>
> > >> And how is common sense and clue Microsoft's field?! You clearly have
> > >> neither. How on earth can it be Microsoft's fault if you fail to sustain
> > >> a
> > >> properly maintained system?! Is it Microsoft's fault that you completely
> > >> failed to perform a full system back up before proceeding with such a
> > >> major
> > >> update?! No it is not. Stop blaming Microsoft for your own stupidity!
> > >>
> > >> Your doctor does not expect
> > >> > you to be medically trained to be treated, your phamacist does not
> > >> > expect you to know how drugs interact, whu are computer people always
> > >> > expecting the general public to learn THEIR profession?
> > >>
> > >> Erm, they don't. However, a doctor does expect that their patient has the
> > >> common sense to read the label on the medicine bottle and follow the
> > >> instructions. Microsoft expects their users to have the common sense to
> > >> perform a full system backup and cleanse their systems; but, in case they
> > >> don't, they put full instructions on their website here
> > >> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.aspx,
> > >> specifically for cretinous morons (or moronic cretins) such as you.
> > >>
> > >> I'll quote the front page for you.
> > >>
> > >> Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) provides better protection against
> > >> viruses,
> > >> hackers, and worms, and includes Windows Firewall, Pop-up Blocker for
> > >> Internet Explorer, and the new Windows Security Center.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Important: Follow these steps before installing Windows XP SP2 to
> > >> prevent potential conflicts with other software on your computer:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 1. Back up your critical files
> > >>
> > >> 2. Check your computer for spyware and other unwanted software
> > >>
> > >> 3. Check for special update instructions from your computer's
> > >> manufacturer.
> > >>
> > >> Once you have completed these steps, you can download this and all other
> > >> critical updates.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The best thing you can do now is sell your computer and buy a
> > >> PlayStation.
> > >> You don't have the mental capability - or the common sense - to operate a
> > >> computer. Or, if your computer is still under warranty, suggest you
> > >> package
> > >> it back up and take it back to the shop and tell them you're too stupid
> > >> to
> > >> own a computer.
> > >>
> > >> You are a moron.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
> > >> lose his marbles?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
> >