Re: ***** sp2 bREAKS eVERYTHING!!!!! *****

[Greg R]

cquirke,
Beta is over, You can freely talk about it now.

The nda to my understanding is meant before xp sp2 was release to rtm.
Now to my understanding you can talk about.

Regardless you are not in the beta you would not be violating the nda
anyway.


>OK, that fits. I'm not in the beta, so I can talk freely on what I
>found from my own testing, but there are still some things I heard
>from NDA sources that I can't detail.
>

[Ornrycus]

"Greg R" > wrote in message
...
> cquirke,
> Beta is over, You can freely talk about it now.
>
> The nda to my understanding is meant before xp sp2 was release to rtm.
> Now to my understanding you can talk about.
>
> Regardless you are not in the beta you would not be violating the nda
> anyway.
>
>
>>OK, that fits. I'm not in the beta, so I can talk freely on what I
>>found from my own testing, but there are still some things I heard
>>from NDA sources that I can't detail.
>>
>

This thread is about 150 and counting. I want to be part of the effort if
we are trying for a record.

[Nathan McNulty]

Hey Greg, nice to see you around. Did you get your CD yet? :D

Anyways, NDA, from what I understand, still covers certain things
learned during the beta period (that has not been publicly released)
even after the product has gone final. An example of this would be if
MS had explained in detail (or say they released a bit of their source
code) as to how a specific peice of software worked, this would still be
covered by NDA. Now if you were to be talking about new features such
as DEP, Windows Firewall, etc (if they hadn't been publicly announced
before the release of SP2), would now acceptable to talk about.

It is more of a judgement call and most likely will never get you into
much trouble especially since most of what you learn is publicly
available after the release of the product (either on MSDN or other
sources). Anyways, hope to see you around :)

----
Nathan McNulty


Greg R wrote:
> cquirke,
> Beta is over, You can freely talk about it now.
>
> The nda to my understanding is meant before xp sp2 was release to rtm.
> Now to my understanding you can talk about.
>
> Regardless you are not in the beta you would not be violating the nda
> anyway.
>
>
>
>>OK, that fits. I'm not in the beta, so I can talk freely on what I
>>found from my own testing, but there are still some things I heard
>
>>from NDA sources that I can't detail.
>
>

[Greg R]

Nathan,

>On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:15:55 -0700, Nathan McNulty > wrote:

>Hey Greg, nice to see you around. Did you get your CD yet? :D

Yes, I got the cd. I have done a clean install.

>Anyways, NDA, from what I understand, still covers certain things
>learned during the beta period (that has not been publicly released)
>even after the product has gone final. An example of this would be if
>MS had explained in detail (or say they released a bit of their source
>code) as to how a specific peice of software worked, this would still be
>covered by NDA. Now if you were to be talking about new features such
>as DEP, Windows Firewall, etc (if they hadn't been publicly announced
>before the release of SP2), would now acceptable to talk about.

I guess I won't be doing that type of beta testing if asked. That is
something I can't agree to. Mainly because I believe in free speech.


Greg R

[Nathan McNulty]

I don't think it really affects free speech, but rather preventing you
from telling others about privilaged information that may affect the
current or future business/software development of Microsoft. This
would be like giving away trade secrets, source code, or insider
information just as if you actually worked for MS.

I don't know if you saved any of the messages from the newsgroups (wish
I had), but there was one asking about NDA and I believe it was Paul D
(or maybe Mike B) posted an excellent response. If you still have those
messages saved, you may want to do a little search through them :)

----
Nathan McNulty


Greg R wrote:
> Nathan,
>
>
>>On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:15:55 -0700, Nathan McNulty > wrote:
>
>
>>Hey Greg, nice to see you around. Did you get your CD yet? :D
>
>
> Yes, I got the cd. I have done a clean install.
>
>
>>Anyways, NDA, from what I understand, still covers certain things
>>learned during the beta period (that has not been publicly released)
>>even after the product has gone final. An example of this would be if
>>MS had explained in detail (or say they released a bit of their source
>>code) as to how a specific peice of software worked, this would still be
>>covered by NDA. Now if you were to be talking about new features such
>>as DEP, Windows Firewall, etc (if they hadn't been publicly announced
>>before the release of SP2), would now acceptable to talk about.
>
>
> I guess I won't be doing that type of beta testing if asked. That is
> something I can't agree to. Mainly because I believe in free speech.
>
>
> Greg R
>
>

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

It has very little to do with free speech.
Have you never worked anywhere where certain information is considered
confidential and can not be freely discussed outside official
channels?
I would have a hard time thinking of any business that has no concerns
about any of their data being freely distributed.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Greg R" > wrote in message
...
> I guess I won't be doing that type of beta testing if asked. That
> is
> something I can't agree to. Mainly because I believe in free
> speech.
>
>
> Greg R