XP SP2 IS THE WORST THING EVER

[Wayne]

I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them to just fob me
off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They got me to install SP2
twice and take it off twice and yet it still does not work. All it
does is reboot my machine after the welcome note comes up, if
Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they should be very much
mistaken. They really do need to test these things properly before
putting them into the population. I am now thinking of not even
bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If there is any
permenant problems which have now been caused through there inadequate
experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting their doorstep
very shortly, or they will be required to get one of their "very
experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem, as I am an IT
manager and I have know idea what these cretins have concocted. I was
amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there problem it must be
another program which is causing it, however I was only installing SP2
everything else worked before.

All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care about there users and
that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on their machine.

Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will not be installing
SP2 until they have a finished piece of work

An IT manager of what..you don't sound too adept
yourself!!

[xfile]

Hi:

Can understand your frustration and I am not a MS fan neither.

But it is my experience that many IT managers or so-called technical experts
cannot figure out where seems to be the problems and causes (needless to say
solutions, of course) but can do one great job - complaining :-)

Thanks for that so I have become more and more knowledgeable on technologies
:-)


Best wishes.

----
Business executive who believes technology but don't want to be messed
around.




"Wayne" > wrote in message
om...
>I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them to just fob me
> off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They got me to install SP2
> twice and take it off twice and yet it still does not work. All it
> does is reboot my machine after the welcome note comes up, if
> Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they should be very much
> mistaken. They really do need to test these things properly before
> putting them into the population. I am now thinking of not even
> bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If there is any
> permenant problems which have now been caused through there inadequate
> experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting their doorstep
> very shortly, or they will be required to get one of their "very
> experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem, as I am an IT
> manager and I have know idea what these cretins have concocted. I was
> amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there problem it must be
> another program which is causing it, however I was only installing SP2
> everything else worked before.
>
> All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care about there users and
> that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on their machine.
>
> Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will not be installing
> SP2 until they have a finished piece of work

[Miss Perspicacia Tick]

Wayne wrote:
> I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them to just fob me
> off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They got me to install SP2
> twice and take it off twice and yet it still does not work. All it
> does is reboot my machine after the welcome note comes up, if
> Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they should be very much
> mistaken. They really do need to test these things properly before
> putting them into the population. I am now thinking of not even
> bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If there is any
> permenant problems which have now been caused through there inadequate
> experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting their doorstep
> very shortly, or they will be required to get one of their "very
> experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem, as I am an IT
> manager and I have know idea what these cretins have concocted. I was
> amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there problem it must be
> another program which is causing it, however I was only installing SP2
> everything else worked before.
>
> All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care about there users and
> that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on their machine.
>
> Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will not be installing
> SP2 until they have a finished piece of work


You are a moron of the highest order. You can't even spell "I have know idea
[/sic/]" means you do because the word "know" means "to have knowledge of".

So, you blamed MS for the problems instead of doing what you should have
done and PREPARED YOUR SYSTEM(S) BEFORE INSTALLATION!!

I hope your boss reads this and fires you on the spot!

Fail to prepare - prepare to fail. You didn't follow the Six Step Plan, you
just ploughed on in and installed, didn't you?!

1) Defrag the hard drive(s)
2) Run a systemwide virus scan
3) Run a systemwide spyware scan
4) Update all your drivers
5) Update your software
6) Turn off AVP before installation.

Not MS's problem if you have no common sense! Or just no sense, full stop!

--
My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
lose his marbles?

Business and IT professionals who can't spell or punctuate
properly. And you call the MS techs cretins? Please. Get
over it.


>-----Original Message-----
>Hi:
>
>Can understand your frustration and I am not a MS fan
neither.
>
>But it is my experience that many IT managers or so-
called technical experts
>cannot figure out where seems to be the problems and
causes (needless to say
>solutions, of course) but can do one great job -
complaining :-)
>
>Thanks for that so I have become more and more
knowledgeable on technologies
>:-)
>
>
>Best wishes.
>
>----
>Business executive who believes technology but don't want
to be messed
>around.
>
>
>
>
>"Wayne" > wrote in message
om...
>>I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them to
just fob me
>> off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They got me
to install SP2
>> twice and take it off twice and yet it still does not
work. All it
>> does is reboot my machine after the welcome note comes
up, if
>> Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they
should be very much
>> mistaken. They really do need to test these things
properly before
>> putting them into the population. I am now thinking of
not even
>> bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If
there is any
>> permenant problems which have now been caused through
there inadequate
>> experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting
their doorstep
>> very shortly, or they will be required to get one of
their "very
>> experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem, as I
am an IT
>> manager and I have know idea what these cretins have
concocted. I was
>> amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there
problem it must be
>> another program which is causing it, however I was only
installing SP2
>> everything else worked before.
>>
>> All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care about
there users and
>> that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on
their machine.
>>
>> Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will not
be installing
>> SP2 until they have a finished piece of work
>
>
>.
>

Umm Miss B*tch don't forget scanning the drive,
diskclean, turning off the screensaver, the cold boot and
then cleaning up afterwards with the advice from this link
http://tinyurl.com/5ynvo *eg*

>-----Original Message-----
>You are a moron of the highest order. You can't even
spell "I have know idea
>[/sic/]" means you do because the word "know" means "to
have knowledge of".
>
>So, you blamed MS for the problems instead of doing what
you should have
>done and PREPARED YOUR SYSTEM(S) BEFORE INSTALLATION!!
>
>I hope your boss reads this and fires you on the spot!
>
>Fail to prepare - prepare to fail. You didn't follow the
Six Step Plan, you
>just ploughed on in and installed, didn't you?!
>
>1) Defrag the hard drive(s)
>2) Run a systemwide virus scan
>3) Run a systemwide spyware scan
>4) Update all your drivers
>5) Update your software
>6) Turn off AVP before installation.
>
>Not MS's problem if you have no common sense! Or just no
sense, full stop!
>
>--
>My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did
he eventually
>lose his marbles?
>
>Wayne wrote:
>> I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them
to just fob me
>> off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They got
me to install SP2
>> twice and take it off twice and yet it still does not
work. All it
>> does is reboot my machine after the welcome note comes
up, if
>> Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they
should be very much
>> mistaken. They really do need to test these things
properly before
>> putting them into the population. I am now thinking of
not even
>> bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If
there is any
>> permenant problems which have now been caused through
there inadequate
>> experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting
their doorstep
>> very shortly, or they will be required to get one of
their "very
>> experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem, as I
am an IT
>> manager and I have know idea what these cretins have
concocted. I was
>> amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there
problem it must be
>> another program which is causing it, however I was
only installing SP2
>> everything else worked before.
>>
>> All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care about
there users and
>> that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on
their machine.
>>
>> Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will not
be installing
>> SP2 until they have a finished piece of work

[r]

This maybe helpful...

How to successfully install Windows XP Service Pack 2:
http://www.fixyourwindows.com/winxpsp2install.htm

Good Luck!








"Wayne" wrote:

> I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them to just fob me
> off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They got me to install SP2
> twice and take it off twice and yet it still does not work. All it
> does is reboot my machine after the welcome note comes up, if
> Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they should be very much
> mistaken. They really do need to test these things properly before
> putting them into the population. I am now thinking of not even
> bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If there is any
> permenant problems which have now been caused through there inadequate
> experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting their doorstep
> very shortly, or they will be required to get one of their "very
> experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem, as I am an IT
> manager and I have know idea what these cretins have concocted. I was
> amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there problem it must be
> another program which is causing it, however I was only installing SP2
> everything else worked before.
>
> All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care about there users and
> that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on their machine.
>
> Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will not be installing
> SP2 until they have a finished piece of work
>

[Lost-in-transnation]

I can't seem to find the solutions to this set of M$ problems...

Well I broke down and just let that damn autoupdate install that crap
called a Security Patch onto my system.... Here are some quirks I
really hate...

1. It seems that whatever home page I choose in IE is irrelevant
since MSN hijacks it back to MSN.com

2. Though there is a popup blocker, the first thing MSN does is pop up
an ad in a new Window that deceivingly looks like a Microsoft 'click'
here button.

3. The firewall suggests that you uninstall any existing firewalls
(anti competitive practices?) as it might conflict with SP2.

4. For some reason this annoying IE search bar appears as a seperate
window along the bottom of the screen. I can't get rid of it unless I
click the close box [x] in the corner. Just one big piece of annoying
adware! Adaware and Spybot don't see it because it is part of
Microsoft's mission to hide exploits as features!

5. My brother also foolishly installed the Patch w/o consulting me and
found that his Outlook no longer connects to Comcast.com, no matter
what he does.

6. My uncle called me crying that he has auto-updated with SP2 and
IE 6.0 no longer connects to the internet w/ Broadband. Mozilla on
the other hand seems to work fine (most of the time).

I am sure I will here a few more nightmares before the week is out,
however I luckily had no problems with connnectivity or apps, only
that I noticed how awful this patch or should I say Exploit! really
is!


"r" wrote:

> This maybe helpful...
>
> How to successfully install Windows XP Service Pack 2:
> http://www.fixyourwindows.com/winxpsp2install.htm
>
> Good Luck!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Wayne" wrote:
>
> > I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them to just fob me
> > off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They got me to install SP2
> > twice and take it off twice and yet it still does not work. All it
> > does is reboot my machine after the welcome note comes up, if
> > Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they should be very much
> > mistaken. They really do need to test these things properly before
> > putting them into the population. I am now thinking of not even
> > bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If there is any
> > permenant problems which have now been caused through there inadequate
> > experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting their doorstep
> > very shortly, or they will be required to get one of their "very
> > experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem, as I am an IT
> > manager and I have know idea what these cretins have concocted. I was
> > amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there problem it must be
> > another program which is causing it, however I was only installing SP2
> > everything else worked before.
> >
> > All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care about there users and
> > that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on their machine.
> >
> > Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will not be installing
> > SP2 until they have a finished piece of work
> >

[Richard Urban]

You're an IT manager?????

Hardly!

--

Regards:

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

"Wayne" > wrote in message
om...
>I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them to just fob me
> off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They got me to install SP2
> twice and take it off twice and yet it still does not work. All it
> does is reboot my machine after the welcome note comes up, if
> Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they should be very much
> mistaken. They really do need to test these things properly before
> putting them into the population. I am now thinking of not even
> bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If there is any
> permenant problems which have now been caused through there inadequate
> experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting their doorstep
> very shortly, or they will be required to get one of their "very
> experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem, as I am an IT
> manager and I have know idea what these cretins have concocted. I was
> amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there problem it must be
> another program which is causing it, however I was only installing SP2
> everything else worked before.
>
> All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care about there users and
> that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on their machine.
>
> Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will not be installing
> SP2 until they have a finished piece of work

[Testy]

It could be, In many companies the IT Mamager is the one who knows how to
turn the computer on!

Testy

"Richard Urban" > wrote in message
...
> You're an IT manager?????
>
> Hardly!
>
> --
>
> Regards:
>
> Richard Urban
>
> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>
> "Wayne" > wrote in message
> om...
>>I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them to just fob me
>> off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They got me to install SP2
>> twice and take it off twice and yet it still does not work. All it
>> does is reboot my machine after the welcome note comes up, if
>> Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they should be very much
>> mistaken. They really do need to test these things properly before
>> putting them into the population. I am now thinking of not even
>> bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If there is any
>> permenant problems which have now been caused through there inadequate
>> experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting their doorstep
>> very shortly, or they will be required to get one of their "very
>> experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem, as I am an IT
>> manager and I have know idea what these cretins have concocted. I was
>> amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there problem it must be
>> another program which is causing it, however I was only installing SP2
>> everything else worked before.
>>
>> All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care about there users and
>> that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on their machine.
>>
>> Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will not be installing
>> SP2 until they have a finished piece of work
>
>

[R. McCarty]

No - He's probably the textbook example of one.

"Richard Urban" > wrote in message
...
> You're an IT manager?????
>
> Hardly!
>
> --
>
> Regards:
>
> Richard Urban
>
> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>
> "Wayne" > wrote in message
> om...
>>I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them to just fob me
>> off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They got me to install SP2
>> twice and take it off twice and yet it still does not work. All it
>> does is reboot my machine after the welcome note comes up, if
>> Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they should be very much
>> mistaken. They really do need to test these things properly before
>> putting them into the population. I am now thinking of not even
>> bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If there is any
>> permenant problems which have now been caused through there inadequate
>> experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting their doorstep
>> very shortly, or they will be required to get one of their "very
>> experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem, as I am an IT
>> manager and I have know idea what these cretins have concocted. I was
>> amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there problem it must be
>> another program which is causing it, however I was only installing SP2
>> everything else worked before.
>>
>> All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care about there users and
>> that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on their machine.
>>
>> Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will not be installing
>> SP2 until they have a finished piece of work
>
>

[Miss Perspicacia Tick]

r wrote:
> This maybe helpful...
>
> How to successfully install Windows XP Service Pack 2:
> http://www.fixyourwindows.com/winxpsp2install.htm
>

No it won't be. Now will you quit spamming! I Maybe if I report you to your
ISP enough times they might just take some action! OK, if they're like most
ISPs they probably won't, but I can but hope!


--
My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
lose his marbles?

[Plato]

Wayne wrote:
>
> I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them to just fob me

Purposly mis-spelling Microsoft makes you look like a newbie who needs
to consult your telephone directory to pay for pc support from somebody
who knows how to work with windows:

Yellow pages | Computer | Sales and service

[Jack E. Frost]

IMO the best IT managers are those that will tell Microsoft to shove their sp2 - thus saving themselves, and a lot of their clients/users, the potential for a whole lot of unnecessary headaches.

There is not a single thing in sp2 that a system can't run just fine without. However, there are a LOT of things in sp2 that an increasing number of systems can't live with!!

Texas Tech pulled the plug on sp2 after two or three installs. Maybe you suggest their IT department is in the 'Hardly' category?



"Richard Urban" > wrote in message ...
You're an IT manager?????

Hardly!

--

Regards:

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

"Wayne" > wrote in message
om...
>I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them to just fob me
> off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They got me to install SP2
> twice and take it off twice and yet it still does not work. All it
> does is reboot my machine after the welcome note comes up, if
> Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they should be very much
> mistaken. They really do need to test these things properly before
> putting them into the population. I am now thinking of not even
> bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If there is any
> permenant problems which have now been caused through there inadequate
> experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting their doorstep
> very shortly, or they will be required to get one of their "very
> experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem, as I am an IT
> manager and I have know idea what these cretins have concocted. I was
> amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there problem it must be
> another program which is causing it, however I was only installing SP2
> everything else worked before.
>
> All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care about there users and
> that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on their machine.
>
> Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will not be installing
> SP2 until they have a finished piece of work

[SlowJet]

Will do, Dickwad. :)

SJ
> wrote in message
...
> Umm Miss B*tch don't forget scanning the drive,
> diskclean, turning off the screensaver, the cold boot and
> then cleaning up afterwards with the advice from this link
> http://tinyurl.com/5ynvo *eg*
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>You are a moron of the highest order. You can't even
> spell "I have know idea
>>[/sic/]" means you do because the word "know" means "to
> have knowledge of".
>>
>>So, you blamed MS for the problems instead of doing what
> you should have
>>done and PREPARED YOUR SYSTEM(S) BEFORE INSTALLATION!!
>>
>>I hope your boss reads this and fires you on the spot!
>>
>>Fail to prepare - prepare to fail. You didn't follow the
> Six Step Plan, you
>>just ploughed on in and installed, didn't you?!
>>
>>1) Defrag the hard drive(s)
>>2) Run a systemwide virus scan
>>3) Run a systemwide spyware scan
>>4) Update all your drivers
>>5) Update your software
>>6) Turn off AVP before installation.
>>
>>Not MS's problem if you have no common sense! Or just no
> sense, full stop!
>>
>>--
>>My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did
> he eventually
>>lose his marbles?
>>
>>Wayne wrote:
>>> I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them
> to just fob me
>>> off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They got
> me to install SP2
>>> twice and take it off twice and yet it still does not
> work. All it
>>> does is reboot my machine after the welcome note comes
> up, if
>>> Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they
> should be very much
>>> mistaken. They really do need to test these things
> properly before
>>> putting them into the population. I am now thinking of
> not even
>>> bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If
> there is any
>>> permenant problems which have now been caused through
> there inadequate
>>> experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting
> their doorstep
>>> very shortly, or they will be required to get one of
> their "very
>>> experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem, as I
> am an IT
>>> manager and I have know idea what these cretins have
> concocted. I was
>>> amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there
> problem it must be
>>> another program which is causing it, however I was
> only installing SP2
>>> everything else worked before.
>>>
>>> All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care about
> there users and
>>> that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on
> their machine.
>>>
>>> Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will not
> be installing
>>> SP2 until they have a finished piece of work
>

[SlowJet]

What's the ***'s for, got the Hick Up's? :)

SJ
"Steve McLaren" > wrote in message
...
>
> Whose 6 point plans are these? Where are they stated on Microsoft's
> website? if these are prerequisites then M$ should explicitly say so. This
> f*u*c*k keeps bashing everybody around but knows nothing or contributes
> nothing.
>
> There is no point in defending SP2 when MS has implicitly accepted that
> SP2 may not be appropriate for everybody. They have issued a tool to stop
> it from installing itself via auto-update mechanism. Why would anyone
> spend time in developing tools just to counterits own patch?
>
> Miss Tick, have you had a patch of SP2 applied to your b*o*o*b*s? Are you
> good at Monica Lewinski position then?
>
>
> Miss Perspicacia Tick wrote:
>
>> Wayne wrote:
>> > I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them to just fob me
>> > off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They got me to install SP2
>> > twice and take it off twice and yet it still does not work. All it
>> > does is reboot my machine after the welcome note comes up, if
>> > Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they should be very much
>> > mistaken. They really do need to test these things properly before
>> > putting them into the population. I am now thinking of not even
>> > bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If there is any
>> > permenant problems which have now been caused through there inadequate
>> > experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting their doorstep
>> > very shortly, or they will be required to get one of their "very
>> > experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem, as I am an IT
>> > manager and I have know idea what these cretins have concocted. I was
>> > amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there problem it must be
>> > another program which is causing it, however I was only installing SP2
>> > everything else worked before.
>> >
>> > All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care about there users and
>> > that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on their machine.
>> >
>> > Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will not be installing
>> > SP2 until they have a finished piece of work
>>
>> You are a moron of the highest order. You can't even spell "I have know
>> idea
>> [/sic/]" means you do because the word "know" means "to have knowledge
>> of".
>>
>> So, you blamed MS for the problems instead of doing what you should have
>> done and PREPARED YOUR SYSTEM(S) BEFORE INSTALLATION!!
>>
>> I hope your boss reads this and fires you on the spot!
>>
>> Fail to prepare - prepare to fail. You didn't follow the Six Step Plan,
>> you
>> just ploughed on in and installed, didn't you?!
>>
>> 1) Defrag the hard drive(s)
>> 2) Run a systemwide virus scan
>> 3) Run a systemwide spyware scan
>> 4) Update all your drivers
>> 5) Update your software
>> 6) Turn off AVP before installation.
>>
>> Not MS's problem if you have no common sense! Or just no sense, full
>> stop!
>>
>
>
>
>
>

[SlowJet]

Well, it is Texas. So, YES! lol

SJ
"Jack E. Frost" > wrote in message ...
IMO the best IT managers are those that will tell Microsoft to shove their sp2 - thus saving themselves, and a lot of their clients/users, the potential for a whole lot of unnecessary headaches.

There is not a single thing in sp2 that a system can't run just fine without. However, there are a LOT of things in sp2 that an increasing number of systems can't live with!!

Texas Tech pulled the plug on sp2 after two or three installs. Maybe you suggest their IT department is in the 'Hardly' category?



"Richard Urban" > wrote in message ...
You're an IT manager?????

Hardly!

--

Regards:

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

"Wayne" > wrote in message
om...
>I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them to just fob me
> off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They got me to install SP2
> twice and take it off twice and yet it still does not work. All it
> does is reboot my machine after the welcome note comes up, if
> Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they should be very much
> mistaken. They really do need to test these things properly before
> putting them into the population. I am now thinking of not even
> bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If there is any
> permenant problems which have now been caused through there inadequate
> experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting their doorstep
> very shortly, or they will be required to get one of their "very
> experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem, as I am an IT
> manager and I have know idea what these cretins have concocted. I was
> amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there problem it must be
> another program which is causing it, however I was only installing SP2
> everything else worked before.
>
> All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care about there users and
> that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on their machine.
>
> Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will not be installing
> SP2 until they have a finished piece of work

[SlowJet]

No it doesn't. :)

SJ
"Plato" <|@|.|> wrote in message
...
> Wayne wrote:
>>
>> I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them to just fob me
>
> Purposly mis-spelling Microsoft makes you look like a newbie who needs
> to consult your telephone directory to pay for pc support from somebody
> who knows how to work with windows:
>
> Yellow pages | Computer | Sales and service
>

[JM]

Isn't it past your bed time troll?? Does mommy & daddy
know you're still up on their computer? Don't forget to
cover your tracks after looking up all those porn sites
before shutting down *eg*

>-----Original Message-----
>Will do, Dickwad. :)
>
>SJ
> wrote in message
...
>> Umm Miss B*tch don't forget scanning the drive,
>> diskclean, turning off the screensaver, the cold boot
and
>> then cleaning up afterwards with the advice from this
link
>> http://tinyurl.com/5ynvo *eg*
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>You are a moron of the highest order. You can't even
>> spell "I have know idea
>>>[/sic/]" means you do because the word "know" means "to
>> have knowledge of".
>>>
>>>So, you blamed MS for the problems instead of doing
what
>> you should have
>>>done and PREPARED YOUR SYSTEM(S) BEFORE INSTALLATION!!
>>>
>>>I hope your boss reads this and fires you on the spot!
>>>
>>>Fail to prepare - prepare to fail. You didn't follow
the
>> Six Step Plan, you
>>>just ploughed on in and installed, didn't you?!
>>>
>>>1) Defrag the hard drive(s)
>>>2) Run a systemwide virus scan
>>>3) Run a systemwide spyware scan
>>>4) Update all your drivers
>>>5) Update your software
>>>6) Turn off AVP before installation.
>>>
>>>Not MS's problem if you have no common sense! Or just
no
>> sense, full stop!
>>>
>>>--
>>>My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did
>> he eventually
>>>lose his marbles?
>>>
>>>Wayne wrote:
>>>> I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them
>> to just fob me
>>>> off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They got
>> me to install SP2
>>>> twice and take it off twice and yet it still does not
>> work. All it
>>>> does is reboot my machine after the welcome note
comes
>> up, if
>>>> Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they
>> should be very much
>>>> mistaken. They really do need to test these things
>> properly before
>>>> putting them into the population. I am now thinking
of
>> not even
>>>> bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If
>> there is any
>>>> permenant problems which have now been caused through
>> there inadequate
>>>> experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting
>> their doorstep
>>>> very shortly, or they will be required to get one of
>> their "very
>>>> experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem, as
I
>> am an IT
>>>> manager and I have know idea what these cretins have
>> concocted. I was
>>>> amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there
>> problem it must be
>>>> another program which is causing it, however I was
>> only installing SP2
>>>> everything else worked before.
>>>>
>>>> All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care
about
>> there users and
>>>> that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on
>> their machine.
>>>>
>>>> Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will not
>> be installing
>>>> SP2 until they have a finished piece of work
>>
>
>
>.
>

[Steve McLaren]

Whose 6 point plans are these? Where are they stated on Microsoft's website? if these are prerequisites then M$ should explicitly say so. This f*u*c*k keeps bashing everybody around but knows nothing or contributes nothing.

There is no point in defending SP2 when MS has implicitly accepted that SP2 may not be appropriate for everybody. They have issued a tool to stop it from installing itself via auto-update mechanism. Why would anyone spend time in developing tools just to counterits own patch?

Miss Tick, have you had a patch of SP2 applied to your b*o*o*b*s? Are you good at Monica Lewinski position then?


Miss Perspicacia Tick wrote:

> Wayne wrote:
> > I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them to just fob me
> > off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They got me to install SP2
> > twice and take it off twice and yet it still does not work. All it
> > does is reboot my machine after the welcome note comes up, if
> > Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they should be very much
> > mistaken. They really do need to test these things properly before
> > putting them into the population. I am now thinking of not even
> > bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If there is any
> > permenant problems which have now been caused through there inadequate
> > experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting their doorstep
> > very shortly, or they will be required to get one of their "very
> > experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem, as I am an IT
> > manager and I have know idea what these cretins have concocted. I was
> > amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there problem it must be
> > another program which is causing it, however I was only installing SP2
> > everything else worked before.
> >
> > All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care about there users and
> > that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on their machine.
> >
> > Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will not be installing
> > SP2 until they have a finished piece of work
>
> You are a moron of the highest order. You can't even spell "I have know idea
> [/sic/]" means you do because the word "know" means "to have knowledge of".
>
> So, you blamed MS for the problems instead of doing what you should have
> done and PREPARED YOUR SYSTEM(S) BEFORE INSTALLATION!!
>
> I hope your boss reads this and fires you on the spot!
>
> Fail to prepare - prepare to fail. You didn't follow the Six Step Plan, you
> just ploughed on in and installed, didn't you?!
>
> 1) Defrag the hard drive(s)
> 2) Run a systemwide virus scan
> 3) Run a systemwide spyware scan
> 4) Update all your drivers
> 5) Update your software
> 6) Turn off AVP before installation.
>
> Not MS's problem if you have no common sense! Or just no sense, full stop!
>

[Star Fleet Admiral Q]

Sure he/she is - an Id 10 t (spoken Id ten t or idiot) Testing Manager (IT
Manager).

--

Star Fleet Admiral Q @ your service

*************************************************

"Richard Urban" > wrote in message
...
> You're an IT manager?????
>
> Hardly!
>
> --
>
> Regards:
>
> Richard Urban
>
> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>
> "Wayne" > wrote in message
> om...
>>I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them to just fob me
>> off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They got me to install SP2
>> twice and take it off twice and yet it still does not work. All it
>> does is reboot my machine after the welcome note comes up, if
>> Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they should be very much
>> mistaken. They really do need to test these things properly before
>> putting them into the population. I am now thinking of not even
>> bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If there is any
>> permenant problems which have now been caused through there inadequate
>> experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting their doorstep
>> very shortly, or they will be required to get one of their "very
>> experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem, as I am an IT
>> manager and I have know idea what these cretins have concocted. I was
>> amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there problem it must be
>> another program which is causing it, however I was only installing SP2
>> everything else worked before.
>>
>> All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care about there users and
>> that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on their machine.
>>
>> Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will not be installing
>> SP2 until they have a finished piece of work
>
>

[SlowJet]

That's your best?
Well how disappionting.
It thoht it was funny.
*YAWN*
BTW: How do you cover those tracks, again? ;)

SJ
"JM" > wrote in message
...
> Isn't it past your bed time troll?? Does mommy & daddy
> know you're still up on their computer? Don't forget to
> cover your tracks after looking up all those porn sites
> before shutting down *eg*
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>Will do, Dickwad. :)
>>
>>SJ
> wrote in message
...
>>> Umm Miss B*tch don't forget scanning the drive,
>>> diskclean, turning off the screensaver, the cold boot
> and
>>> then cleaning up afterwards with the advice from this
> link
>>> http://tinyurl.com/5ynvo *eg*
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>You are a moron of the highest order. You can't even
>>> spell "I have know idea
>>>>[/sic/]" means you do because the word "know" means "to
>>> have knowledge of".
>>>>
>>>>So, you blamed MS for the problems instead of doing
> what
>>> you should have
>>>>done and PREPARED YOUR SYSTEM(S) BEFORE INSTALLATION!!
>>>>
>>>>I hope your boss reads this and fires you on the spot!
>>>>
>>>>Fail to prepare - prepare to fail. You didn't follow
> the
>>> Six Step Plan, you
>>>>just ploughed on in and installed, didn't you?!
>>>>
>>>>1) Defrag the hard drive(s)
>>>>2) Run a systemwide virus scan
>>>>3) Run a systemwide spyware scan
>>>>4) Update all your drivers
>>>>5) Update your software
>>>>6) Turn off AVP before installation.
>>>>
>>>>Not MS's problem if you have no common sense! Or just
> no
>>> sense, full stop!
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did
>>> he eventually
>>>>lose his marbles?
>>>>
>>>>Wayne wrote:
>>>>> I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them
>>> to just fob me
>>>>> off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They got
>>> me to install SP2
>>>>> twice and take it off twice and yet it still does not
>>> work. All it
>>>>> does is reboot my machine after the welcome note
> comes
>>> up, if
>>>>> Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they
>>> should be very much
>>>>> mistaken. They really do need to test these things
>>> properly before
>>>>> putting them into the population. I am now thinking
> of
>>> not even
>>>>> bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If
>>> there is any
>>>>> permenant problems which have now been caused through
>>> there inadequate
>>>>> experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting
>>> their doorstep
>>>>> very shortly, or they will be required to get one of
>>> their "very
>>>>> experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem, as
> I
>>> am an IT
>>>>> manager and I have know idea what these cretins have
>>> concocted. I was
>>>>> amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there
>>> problem it must be
>>>>> another program which is causing it, however I was
>>> only installing SP2
>>>>> everything else worked before.
>>>>>
>>>>> All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care
> about
>>> there users and
>>>>> that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on
>>> their machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will not
>>> be installing
>>>>> SP2 until they have a finished piece of work
>>>
>>
>>
>>.
>>

[Jeff]

Testy,

Are you sure they are able to do that, I thought they just
sat at their desks, staring at blank screen pretend to
look busy. Then go around and give meaningless
suggestions to the people who actually do know their work.

Jeff

>-----Original Message-----
>It could be, In many companies the IT Mamager is the one
who knows how to
>turn the computer on!
>
>Testy
>
>"Richard Urban" >
wrote in message
...
>> You're an IT manager?????
>>
>> Hardly!
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards:
>>
>> Richard Urban
>>
>> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>>
>> "Wayne" > wrote in message
>> om...
>>>I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them to
just fob me
>>> off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They got
me to install SP2
>>> twice and take it off twice and yet it still does not
work. All it
>>> does is reboot my machine after the welcome note comes
up, if
>>> Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they
should be very much
>>> mistaken. They really do need to test these things
properly before
>>> putting them into the population. I am now thinking of
not even
>>> bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If
there is any
>>> permenant problems which have now been caused through
there inadequate
>>> experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting
their doorstep
>>> very shortly, or they will be required to get one of
their "very
>>> experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem, as I
am an IT
>>> manager and I have know idea what these cretins have
concocted. I was
>>> amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there
problem it must be
>>> another program which is causing it, however I was
only installing SP2
>>> everything else worked before.
>>>
>>> All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care about
there users and
>>> that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on
their machine.
>>>
>>> Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will not
be installing
>>> SP2 until they have a finished piece of work
>>
>>
>
>
>.
>

[JM]

I've been reading your "posts", you contribute nothing
and are a troll. You've been fed too much. Adios

>-----Original Message-----
>That's your best?
>Well how disappionting.
>It thoht it was funny.
>*YAWN*
>BTW: How do you cover those tracks, again? ;)
>
>SJ
>"JM" > wrote in message
...
>> Isn't it past your bed time troll?? Does mommy & daddy
>> know you're still up on their computer? Don't forget to
>> cover your tracks after looking up all those porn sites
>> before shutting down *eg*
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>Will do, Dickwad. :)
>>>
>>>SJ
> wrote in message
...
>>>> Umm Miss B*tch don't forget scanning the drive,
>>>> diskclean, turning off the screensaver, the cold boot
>> and
>>>> then cleaning up afterwards with the advice from this
>> link
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/5ynvo *eg*
>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>You are a moron of the highest order. You can't even
>>>> spell "I have know idea
>>>>>[/sic/]" means you do because the word "know"
means "to
>>>> have knowledge of".
>>>>>
>>>>>So, you blamed MS for the problems instead of doing
>> what
>>>> you should have
>>>>>done and PREPARED YOUR SYSTEM(S) BEFORE
INSTALLATION!!
>>>>>
>>>>>I hope your boss reads this and fires you on the
spot!
>>>>>
>>>>>Fail to prepare - prepare to fail. You didn't follow
>> the
>>>> Six Step Plan, you
>>>>>just ploughed on in and installed, didn't you?!
>>>>>
>>>>>1) Defrag the hard drive(s)
>>>>>2) Run a systemwide virus scan
>>>>>3) Run a systemwide spyware scan
>>>>>4) Update all your drivers
>>>>>5) Update your software
>>>>>6) Turn off AVP before installation.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not MS's problem if you have no common sense! Or just
>> no
>>>> sense, full stop!
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin -
did
>>>> he eventually
>>>>>lose his marbles?
>>>>>
>>>>>Wayne wrote:
>>>>>> I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for
them
>>>> to just fob me
>>>>>> off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They
got
>>>> me to install SP2
>>>>>> twice and take it off twice and yet it still does
not
>>>> work. All it
>>>>>> does is reboot my machine after the welcome note
>> comes
>>>> up, if
>>>>>> Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they
>>>> should be very much
>>>>>> mistaken. They really do need to test these things
>>>> properly before
>>>>>> putting them into the population. I am now thinking
>> of
>>>> not even
>>>>>> bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If
>>>> there is any
>>>>>> permenant problems which have now been caused
through
>>>> there inadequate
>>>>>> experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting
>>>> their doorstep
>>>>>> very shortly, or they will be required to get one
of
>>>> their "very
>>>>>> experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem,
as
>> I
>>>> am an IT
>>>>>> manager and I have know idea what these cretins
have
>>>> concocted. I was
>>>>>> amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there
>>>> problem it must be
>>>>>> another program which is causing it, however I was
>>>> only installing SP2
>>>>>> everything else worked before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care
>> about
>>>> there users and
>>>>>> that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on
>>>> their machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will
not
>>>> be installing
>>>>>> SP2 until they have a finished piece of work
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>.
>>>
>
>
>.
>

[SlowJet]

Awwww, an exit speach on my behalf.
Sniffle, sniffle, I'm all choked up.

SJ
"JM" > wrote in message
...
> I've been reading your "posts", you contribute nothing
> and are a troll. You've been fed too much. Adios
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>That's your best?
>>Well how disappionting.
>>It thoht it was funny.
>>*YAWN*
>>BTW: How do you cover those tracks, again? ;)
>>
>>SJ
>>"JM" > wrote in message
...
>>> Isn't it past your bed time troll?? Does mommy & daddy
>>> know you're still up on their computer? Don't forget to
>>> cover your tracks after looking up all those porn sites
>>> before shutting down *eg*
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>Will do, Dickwad. :)
>>>>
>>>>SJ
> wrote in message
...
>>>>> Umm Miss B*tch don't forget scanning the drive,
>>>>> diskclean, turning off the screensaver, the cold boot
>>> and
>>>>> then cleaning up afterwards with the advice from this
>>> link
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/5ynvo *eg*
>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>You are a moron of the highest order. You can't even
>>>>> spell "I have know idea
>>>>>>[/sic/]" means you do because the word "know"
> means "to
>>>>> have knowledge of".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, you blamed MS for the problems instead of doing
>>> what
>>>>> you should have
>>>>>>done and PREPARED YOUR SYSTEM(S) BEFORE
> INSTALLATION!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I hope your boss reads this and fires you on the
> spot!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Fail to prepare - prepare to fail. You didn't follow
>>> the
>>>>> Six Step Plan, you
>>>>>>just ploughed on in and installed, didn't you?!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1) Defrag the hard drive(s)
>>>>>>2) Run a systemwide virus scan
>>>>>>3) Run a systemwide spyware scan
>>>>>>4) Update all your drivers
>>>>>>5) Update your software
>>>>>>6) Turn off AVP before installation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not MS's problem if you have no common sense! Or just
>>> no
>>>>> sense, full stop!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin -
> did
>>>>> he eventually
>>>>>>lose his marbles?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wayne wrote:
>>>>>>> I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for
> them
>>>>> to just fob me
>>>>>>> off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They
> got
>>>>> me to install SP2
>>>>>>> twice and take it off twice and yet it still does
> not
>>>>> work. All it
>>>>>>> does is reboot my machine after the welcome note
>>> comes
>>>>> up, if
>>>>>>> Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they
>>>>> should be very much
>>>>>>> mistaken. They really do need to test these things
>>>>> properly before
>>>>>>> putting them into the population. I am now thinking
>>> of
>>>>> not even
>>>>>>> bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If
>>>>> there is any
>>>>>>> permenant problems which have now been caused
> through
>>>>> there inadequate
>>>>>>> experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting
>>>>> their doorstep
>>>>>>> very shortly, or they will be required to get one
> of
>>>>> their "very
>>>>>>> experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem,
> as
>>> I
>>>>> am an IT
>>>>>>> manager and I have know idea what these cretins
> have
>>>>> concocted. I was
>>>>>>> amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there
>>>>> problem it must be
>>>>>>> another program which is causing it, however I was
>>>>> only installing SP2
>>>>>>> everything else worked before.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care
>>> about
>>>>> there users and
>>>>>>> that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on
>>>>> their machine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will
> not
>>>>> be installing
>>>>>>> SP2 until they have a finished piece of work
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>.
>>>>
>>
>>
>>.
>>

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

If you would read the details of the tool, you would have your answer.
The tool was designed for the group that asked for the tool.
Business users that have lots of computers.

Read about the tool so you can understand before you make more
comments that show otherwise.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Steve McLaren" > wrote in message
...
>
SNIPPED
> There is no point in defending SP2 when MS has implicitly accepted
> that SP2 may not be appropriate for everybody. They have issued a
> tool to stop it from installing itself via auto-update mechanism.
> Why would anyone spend time in developing tools just to counterits
> own patch?

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Wayne;
"They really do need to test these things properly"
SP-2 was possibly tested more than any other piece of software has in
the past.
Exactly what do you mean by the above statement?
How many windows XP computers in the world?
Now factor in that no two are identical.
How does Microsoft or anyone for that matter test something as big as
a Service Pack on all possible combinations?
Can not be done, impossible.

"I am an IT manager"
Really?
Then SP-2 should have had no surprises to you since your organization
has been testing SP-2 for at least several months to check for
compatibility issues.

"I am now thinking of not even bothering as it is more bother than it
is worth."
Fine, it is your computer.
But you make it sound like you are punishing Microsoft.
How is that?

"...that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on their
machine."
Nothing wrong with non Microsoft software as long as it is well
written.
For years software has been written taking advantage of what are now
vulnerabilities.
Microsoft has taken a big step and followed the demands of the IT
community to make Windows more secure.

Did you at least have a clean computer?
Was the computer ready for Windows XP?
Since your rant gave no details, it is impossible to know.

Start here:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm


--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Wayne" > wrote in message
om...
>I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them to just fob me
> off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They got me to install
> SP2
> twice and take it off twice and yet it still does not work. All it
> does is reboot my machine after the welcome note comes up, if
> Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they should be very
> much
> mistaken. They really do need to test these things properly before
> putting them into the population. I am now thinking of not even
> bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If there is any
> permenant problems which have now been caused through there
> inadequate
> experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting their doorstep
> very shortly, or they will be required to get one of their "very
> experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem, as I am an IT
> manager and I have know idea what these cretins have concocted. I
> was
> amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there problem it must
> be
> another program which is causing it, however I was only installing
> SP2
> everything else worked before.
>
> All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care about there users
> and
> that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on their machine.
>
> Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will not be installing
> SP2 until they have a finished piece of work

[Sunny]

"Wayne" > wrote in message
om...
> I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft

Nice troll, generated 27 replies over a 4hr period :-)

[Tom]

"Miss Perspicacia Tick" > wrote in message =
.. .
>r wrote:
>> This maybe helpful...
>>
>> How to successfully install Windows XP Service Pack 2:
>> http://www.fixyourwindows.com/winxpsp2install.htm
>>
>=20
> No it won't be. Now will you quit spamming! I Maybe if I report you to =
your=20
> ISP enough times they might just take some action! OK, if they're like =
most=20
> ISPs they probably won't, but I can but hope!
>=20

Why is this spamming? Many MVPs, or other frequenting experts here seem =
to simply give a link to their respective sites for advice, without =
giving anything in any real detail here. Would that not be spamming =
also, using your logic?

By the way, what the hell is "I Maybe if " supposed to mean?

[Interrogative]

"Wayne" > wrote in message
om...
>I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them to just fob me
> off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They got me to install SP2
> twice and take it off twice and yet it still does not work. All it
> does is reboot my machine after the welcome note comes up, if
> Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they should be very much
> mistaken. They really do need to test these things properly before
> putting them into the population. I am now thinking of not even

Worked perfectly fine on the XP machines I have updated.

I think that if that is the way you see it, you'd be better off calling
someone in to fix it for you.

[Wayne]

What are you some super IT technical guy who knows everything, you get
a life, you need one...

If you are that good you try and fix it if not then shut the hell up!


> wrote in message >...
> An IT manager of what..you don't sound too adept
> yourself!!

[Wayne]

You are some sort of moron, as all this had been done, and yet the
technical guys at microsoft still could not fix it so get off your
high horse of how I spell and shut the hell up if you have nothing
informative to say (This is not an english class!)

"Miss Perspicacia Tick" > wrote in message >...
> Wayne wrote:
> > I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them to just fob me
> > off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They got me to install SP2
> > twice and take it off twice and yet it still does not work. All it
> > does is reboot my machine after the welcome note comes up, if
> > Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they should be very much
> > mistaken. They really do need to test these things properly before
> > putting them into the population. I am now thinking of not even
> > bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If there is any
> > permenant problems which have now been caused through there inadequate
> > experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting their doorstep
> > very shortly, or they will be required to get one of their "very
> > experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem, as I am an IT
> > manager and I have know idea what these cretins have concocted. I was
> > amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there problem it must be
> > another program which is causing it, however I was only installing SP2
> > everything else worked before.
> >
> > All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care about there users and
> > that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on their machine.
> >
> > Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will not be installing
> > SP2 until they have a finished piece of work
>
>
> You are a moron of the highest order. You can't even spell "I have know idea
> [/sic/]" means you do because the word "know" means "to have knowledge of".
>
> So, you blamed MS for the problems instead of doing what you should have
> done and PREPARED YOUR SYSTEM(S) BEFORE INSTALLATION!!
>
> I hope your boss reads this and fires you on the spot!
>
> Fail to prepare - prepare to fail. You didn't follow the Six Step Plan, you
> just ploughed on in and installed, didn't you?!
>
> 1) Defrag the hard drive(s)
> 2) Run a systemwide virus scan
> 3) Run a systemwide spyware scan
> 4) Update all your drivers
> 5) Update your software
> 6) Turn off AVP before installation.
>
> Not MS's problem if you have no common sense! Or just no sense, full stop!

[Wayne]

My machine was a brand new machine


"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message >...
> Wayne;
> "They really do need to test these things properly"
> SP-2 was possibly tested more than any other piece of software has in
> the past.
> Exactly what do you mean by the above statement?
> How many windows XP computers in the world?
> Now factor in that no two are identical.
> How does Microsoft or anyone for that matter test something as big as
> a Service Pack on all possible combinations?
> Can not be done, impossible.
>
> "I am an IT manager"
> Really?
> Then SP-2 should have had no surprises to you since your organization
> has been testing SP-2 for at least several months to check for
> compatibility issues.
>
> "I am now thinking of not even bothering as it is more bother than it
> is worth."
> Fine, it is your computer.
> But you make it sound like you are punishing Microsoft.
> How is that?
>
> "...that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on their
> machine."
> Nothing wrong with non Microsoft software as long as it is well
> written.
> For years software has been written taking advantage of what are now
> vulnerabilities.
> Microsoft has taken a big step and followed the demands of the IT
> community to make Windows more secure.
>
> Did you at least have a clean computer?
> Was the computer ready for Windows XP?
> Since your rant gave no details, it is impossible to know.
>
> Start here:
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
>
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>
>
> "Wayne" > wrote in message
> om...
> >I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them to just fob me
> > off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They got me to install
> > SP2
> > twice and take it off twice and yet it still does not work. All it
> > does is reboot my machine after the welcome note comes up, if
> > Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they should be very
> > much
> > mistaken. They really do need to test these things properly before
> > putting them into the population. I am now thinking of not even
> > bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If there is any
> > permenant problems which have now been caused through there
> > inadequate
> > experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting their doorstep
> > very shortly, or they will be required to get one of their "very
> > experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem, as I am an IT
> > manager and I have know idea what these cretins have concocted. I
> > was
> > amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there problem it must
> > be
> > another program which is causing it, however I was only installing
> > SP2
> > everything else worked before.
> >
> > All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care about there users
> > and
> > that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on their machine.
> >
> > Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will not be installing
> > SP2 until they have a finished piece of work

[NoNoBadDog!]

You cannot spell. You cannot create a grammatically correct sentence. You
cannot follow the basic instructions for installing SP2. Your computer is
not properly maintained...and you say Microsoft produced an unfinished piece
of work? Then you try to pass yourself off as an IT person? Let's
review...
1. Can't spell.
2. Doesn't know the difference between "know" and "no" (i.e. I have know
idea).
3. Lies about being an IT manager (a real IT person would have backed up
*BEFORE* undertaking any service pack.
4. Cannot even muster up a decent rebuttal when slammed.

I agree with anonymous...You are in serious need of a life...

BTW, does it hurt walking around with that huge "L" stuck to your forehead?

Bobby

"Wayne" > wrote in message
om...
> What are you some super IT technical guy who knows everything, you get
> a life, you need one...
>
> If you are that good you try and fix it if not then shut the hell up!
>
>
> > wrote in message
> >...
>> An IT manager of what..you don't sound too adept
>> yourself!!

[cquirke (MVP Win9x)]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:31:45 -1000, "NoNoBadDog!"

>You cannot spell. You cannot create a grammatically correct sentence.

How well can you do either - say, in Russian?
English isn't everyone's first language...



>--------------- ------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
When your mind goes blank, remember to turn down the sound
>--------------- ------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -

[NoNoBadDog!]

The OP has English as his native language. BTW, I am fluent in 3 languages.
How many languages are you fluent in?


Bobby

"cquirke (MVP Win9x)" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:31:45 -1000, "NoNoBadDog!"
>
>>You cannot spell. You cannot create a grammatically correct sentence.
>
> How well can you do either - say, in Russian?
> English isn't everyone's first language...
>
>
>
>>--------------- ------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
> When your mind goes blank, remember to turn down the sound
>>--------------- ------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

If you truly believe what you said, this is probably a better option
for you:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2592740&cat=96356&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A41937%3A96356

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"RobertPatrick" > wrote in message
...
> SP2 wrecked my PC.
> All of a sudden my DVD-RW drive won't work. Nothing is able to fix
> it. I
> uninstalled SP2. Still can't read or burn a DVD. Store bought DVDs
> won't
> play,either. Then I did System Restore and that didn't work,
> either.
> I think MS released SP2 knowing that it was a bunch of junk.
> Now I have to haul my PC to the shop and PAY to have it fixed.
>
> MS = more ****.

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Wayne;
Having a new computer says nothing about compatibility issues and very
little about the computer being clean unless you attempted to install
SP-2 the very first thing out of the box.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Wayne" > wrote in message
om...
> My machine was a brand new machine
>
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in
> message >...
>> Wayne;
>> "They really do need to test these things properly"
>> SP-2 was possibly tested more than any other piece of software has
>> in
>> the past.
>> Exactly what do you mean by the above statement?
>> How many windows XP computers in the world?
>> Now factor in that no two are identical.
>> How does Microsoft or anyone for that matter test something as big
>> as
>> a Service Pack on all possible combinations?
>> Can not be done, impossible.
>>
>> "I am an IT manager"
>> Really?
>> Then SP-2 should have had no surprises to you since your
>> organization
>> has been testing SP-2 for at least several months to check for
>> compatibility issues.
>>
>> "I am now thinking of not even bothering as it is more bother than
>> it
>> is worth."
>> Fine, it is your computer.
>> But you make it sound like you are punishing Microsoft.
>> How is that?
>>
>> "...that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on their
>> machine."
>> Nothing wrong with non Microsoft software as long as it is well
>> written.
>> For years software has been written taking advantage of what are
>> now
>> vulnerabilities.
>> Microsoft has taken a big step and followed the demands of the IT
>> community to make Windows more secure.
>>
>> Did you at least have a clean computer?
>> Was the computer ready for Windows XP?
>> Since your rant gave no details, it is impossible to know.
>>
>> Start here:
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>>
>>
>> "Wayne" > wrote in message
>> om...
>> >I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them to just fob
>> >me
>> > off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They got me to
>> > install
>> > SP2
>> > twice and take it off twice and yet it still does not work. All
>> > it
>> > does is reboot my machine after the welcome note comes up, if
>> > Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they should be very
>> > much
>> > mistaken. They really do need to test these things properly
>> > before
>> > putting them into the population. I am now thinking of not even
>> > bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If there is any
>> > permenant problems which have now been caused through there
>> > inadequate
>> > experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting their
>> > doorstep
>> > very shortly, or they will be required to get one of their "very
>> > experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem, as I am an IT
>> > manager and I have know idea what these cretins have concocted. I
>> > was
>> > amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there problem it
>> > must
>> > be
>> > another program which is causing it, however I was only
>> > installing
>> > SP2
>> > everything else worked before.
>> >
>> > All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care about there
>> > users
>> > and
>> > that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on their
>> > machine.
>> >
>> > Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will not be
>> > installing
>> > SP2 until they have a finished piece of work

[Interrogative]

"NoNoBadDog!" <mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com> wrote in message
...
> The OP has English as his native language. BTW, I am fluent in 3
> languages. How many languages are you fluent in?
>

I just had to grin at that sentence while following this thread. That last
sentence isn't grammatically correct! :)

[Interrogative]

"RobertPatrick" > wrote in message
...
> SP2 wrecked my PC.
> All of a sudden my DVD-RW drive won't work. Nothing is able to fix it. I
> uninstalled SP2. Still can't read or burn a DVD. Store bought DVDs won't
> play,either. Then I did System Restore and that didn't work, either.
> I think MS released SP2 knowing that it was a bunch of junk.
> Now I have to haul my PC to the shop and PAY to have it fixed.
>
> MS = more ****.

MS killed your burner. Nothing to do with you at all, MS caused it.

Gee, I wonder why, on all the machines on which I have installed SP2, I
haven't had a single problem even to the point of a tax agent sending in tax
returns through a VPN to the tax dept? Maybe because I thought ahead and
made sure? Possibly. Maybe because SP2 doesn't really cause the problems so
much as people without a clue who really cause most problems? More than
likely!

[NoNoBadDog!]

Please specify what you mean?

Bobby

"Interrogative" > wrote in message
...
>
> "NoNoBadDog!" <mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com> wrote in message
> ...
>> The OP has English as his native language. BTW, I am fluent in 3
>> languages. How many languages are you fluent in?
>>
>
> I just had to grin at that sentence while following this thread. That last
> sentence isn't grammatically correct! :)
>
>

[David Nimon]

If I remember (great possibility NOT!), the OP is referring to the rule that
sentences aren't supposed to end with a preposition.

--
David Nimon


--------------------------------
"NoNoBadDog!" <mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com> wrote in message
...
> Please specify what you mean?
>
> Bobby
>
> "Interrogative" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "NoNoBadDog!" <mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com> wrote in message
>> ...
>>> The OP has English as his native language. BTW, I am fluent in 3
>>> languages. How many languages are you fluent in?
>>>
>>
>> I just had to grin at that sentence while following this thread. That
>> last sentence isn't grammatically correct! :)
>>
>>
>
>

[NoNoBadDog!]

Having a little fun...a least someone caught it.

Bobby

"David Nimon" > wrote in message
. ..
> If I remember (great possibility NOT!), the OP is referring to the rule
> that sentences aren't supposed to end with a preposition.
>
> --
> David Nimon
>
>
> --------------------------------
> "NoNoBadDog!" <mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com> wrote in message
> ...
>> Please specify what you mean?
>>
>> Bobby
>>
>> "Interrogative" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "NoNoBadDog!" <mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com> wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> The OP has English as his native language. BTW, I am fluent in 3
>>>> languages. How many languages are you fluent in?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I just had to grin at that sentence while following this thread. That
>>> last sentence isn't grammatically correct! :)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Herb Fritatta]

David Nimon wrote:

> If I remember (great possibility NOT!), the OP is referring to the rule that
> sentences aren't supposed to end with a preposition.
>

Winston Churchill's response when asked whether he thought it proper to
end a sentence with a preposition: "It is something up with which I
will not put."

[NoNoBadDog!]

Herb;

Winston Churchill had a remarkable sense of humor which served him well
during the darkness of WWII.

Bobby

"Herb Fritatta" > wrote in message
...
> David Nimon wrote:
>
>> If I remember (great possibility NOT!), the OP is referring to the rule
>> that sentences aren't supposed to end with a preposition.
>>
>
> Winston Churchill's response when asked whether he thought it proper to
> end a sentence with a preposition: "It is something up with which I will
> not put."

[Barry Watzman]

Sorry, tens of millions of people have installed SP2 with no problems at
all. I have a DVD burner (I have 3 optical drives, in fact), and mine
wasn't hosed. Yours probably wasn't either.

What PROBABLY happened was this:

XP does not, in and of itself, support DVD playback. Not XP (original),
XP SP1 or XP SP2. To get DVD playback, you need a non-Microsoft MPEG
Codec. You probably had one from some other product, and if you have
one, XP will use it. But installing SP2 may have made it necessary to
reinstall the codec, it is, after all, a new operating system. But I'm
guessing that the DVD drive itself is fine, is still present in "my
computer" and will still see and access both CDs and DVDs (note
"accessing" them is not the same as "playing" them).

What I'd do now is upgrade to Windows media player 10, try the DVD
player to play movies, if it doesn't work, reinstall whatever
non-Microsoft DVD software you had, which will reinstall the codec.
This is probably the DVD playback software that came with your DVD
burner (Power DVD or whatever). Normally, this isn't necessary, but in
your case, for whatever reason, it apparently is.



RobertPatrick wrote:

> "Interrogative" > wrote in
> :
>
>
>>"RobertPatrick" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>SP2 wrecked my PC.
>>>All of a sudden my DVD-RW drive won't work. Nothing is able to fix
>>>it. I uninstalled SP2. Still can't read or burn a DVD. Store
>>>bought DVDs won't play,either. Then I did System Restore and that
>>>didn't work, either. I think MS released SP2 knowing that it was a
>>>bunch of junk. Now I have to haul my PC to the shop and PAY to have
>>>it fixed.
>>>
>>>MS = more ****.
>>
>>MS killed your burner. Nothing to do with you at all, MS caused it.
>
>
> That's right.
>
>>Gee, I wonder why, on all the machines on which I have installed SP2,
>>I haven't had a single problem even to the point of a tax agent
>>sending in tax returns through a VPN to the tax dept?
>
>
> I don't care about your stupid tax problems. Maybe you should have filed
> them in the year they were due.
>
>
> Maybe because I
>
>>thought ahead and made sure? Possibly. Maybe because SP2 doesn't
>>really cause the problems so much as people without a clue who really
>>cause most problems? More than likely!
>>
>
> Yes, MS hosed my DVD burner. The only thing changed was SP2.
> SP2 is worthless, as your blatherings.
>

[Alex Nichol]

David Nimon wrote:

>If I remember (great possibility NOT!), the OP is referring to the rule that
>sentences aren't supposed to end with a preposition.

I remember hearing a little song with that as the punch line; a small
boy seeing workmen struggling to get a piano up from a basement:

"Mother why do
They try to get that
Up from out of down under there?"


--
Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)

[cquirke (MVP Win9x)]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:51:35 -1000, "NoNoBadDog!"

>The OP has English as his native language. BTW, I am fluent in 3 languages.
>How many languages are you fluent in?

Two. Many folks in South Africa are fluent in three, but spend most
of thier time using thier second or third language - and being judged
as deficient by those proficiant in that language (typically English).

In my case, I'm proficient in English, but can speak or understand
nothing in South African languages that have the largest user bases.

It's easier to be mindful of the Babel effect in Africa or Europe,
both of which are full of tribal enclaves with different languages,
than in a more monocultural environment like northern USA.



>-------------- ---- --- -- - - - -
"I think it's time we took our
friendship to the next level"
'What, gender roles and abuse?'
>-------------- ---- --- -- - - - -

[Interrogative]

I don't have to. It's all there for everyone to see.


"NoNoBadDog!" <mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com> wrote in message
...
> Please specify what you mean?
>
> Bobby
>
> "Interrogative" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "NoNoBadDog!" <mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com> wrote in message
>> ...
>>> The OP has English as his native language. BTW, I am fluent in 3
>>> languages. How many languages are you fluent in?
>>>
>>
>> I just had to grin at that sentence while following this thread. That
>> last sentence isn't grammatically correct! :)
>>
>>
>
>

[Interrogative]

Yep but everybody does it. The thing that always gets me is if you are going
to correct someone's spelling or grammar, you shouldn't make the same
mistakes. :)



"David Nimon" > wrote in message
. ..
> If I remember (great possibility NOT!), the OP is referring to the rule
> that sentences aren't supposed to end with a preposition.
>
> --
> David Nimon
>
>
> --------------------------------
> "NoNoBadDog!" <mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com> wrote in message
> ...
>> Please specify what you mean?
>>
>> Bobby
>>
>> "Interrogative" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "NoNoBadDog!" <mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com> wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> The OP has English as his native language. BTW, I am fluent in 3
>>>> languages. How many languages are you fluent in?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I just had to grin at that sentence while following this thread. That
>>> last sentence isn't grammatically correct! :)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Interrogative]

"RobertPatrick" > wrote in message
...
> "Interrogative" > wrote in
> :
>
>>
>> "RobertPatrick" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> SP2 wrecked my PC.
>>> All of a sudden my DVD-RW drive won't work. Nothing is able to fix
>>> it. I uninstalled SP2. Still can't read or burn a DVD. Store
>>> bought DVDs won't play,either. Then I did System Restore and that
>>> didn't work, either. I think MS released SP2 knowing that it was a
>>> bunch of junk. Now I have to haul my PC to the shop and PAY to have
>>> it fixed.
>>>
>>> MS = more ****.
>>
>> MS killed your burner. Nothing to do with you at all, MS caused it.
>
> That's right.

Nope.

>>
>> Gee, I wonder why, on all the machines on which I have installed SP2,
>> I haven't had a single problem even to the point of a tax agent
>> sending in tax returns through a VPN to the tax dept?
>
> I don't care about your stupid tax problems. Maybe you should have filed
> them in the year they were due.

You're an idiot.

>
>
> Maybe because I
>> thought ahead and made sure? Possibly. Maybe because SP2 doesn't
>> really cause the problems so much as people without a clue who really
>> cause most problems? More than likely!
>>
> Yes, MS hosed my DVD burner. The only thing changed was SP2.
> SP2 is worthless, as your blatherings.
>

Nope. You just couldn't get a clue no matter HOW many vowels you bought!

[Interrogative]

"Barry Watzman" > wrote in message
...
>
> What I'd do now is upgrade to Windows media player 10, try the DVD player
> to play movies, if it doesn't work, reinstall whatever

I wouldn't do that were I him. It has a problem with playback of streaming
media over the net. WMP9 didn't have that problem.

[ncrednek]

I guess being a new cumber has it advantages, for I haven't had a proplem
that couldn't be fixed. The only thing is it blocked some of my games, but
short of that WORKS GREAT

Country boy ncrednek

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> Wayne;
> "They really do need to test these things properly"
> SP-2 was possibly tested more than any other piece of software has in
> the past.
> Exactly what do you mean by the above statement?
> How many windows XP computers in the world?
> Now factor in that no two are identical.
> How does Microsoft or anyone for that matter test something as big as
> a Service Pack on all possible combinations?
> Can not be done, impossible.
>
> "I am an IT manager"
> Really?
> Then SP-2 should have had no surprises to you since your organization
> has been testing SP-2 for at least several months to check for
> compatibility issues.
>
> "I am now thinking of not even bothering as it is more bother than it
> is worth."
> Fine, it is your computer.
> But you make it sound like you are punishing Microsoft.
> How is that?
>
> "...that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on their
> machine."
> Nothing wrong with non Microsoft software as long as it is well
> written.
> For years software has been written taking advantage of what are now
> vulnerabilities.
> Microsoft has taken a big step and followed the demands of the IT
> community to make Windows more secure.
>
> Did you at least have a clean computer?
> Was the computer ready for Windows XP?
> Since your rant gave no details, it is impossible to know.
>
> Start here:
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
>
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>
>
> "Wayne" > wrote in message
> om...
> >I spent the night on the phone to Micro$oft for them to just fob me
> > off with almost (not our problem!) answers. They got me to install
> > SP2
> > twice and take it off twice and yet it still does not work. All it
> > does is reboot my machine after the welcome note comes up, if
> > Micro$oft think that this is sufficient then they should be very
> > much
> > mistaken. They really do need to test these things properly before
> > putting them into the population. I am now thinking of not even
> > bothering as it is more bother than it is worth. If there is any
> > permenant problems which have now been caused through there
> > inadequate
> > experienced staff, they will see a law suit hitting their doorstep
> > very shortly, or they will be required to get one of their "very
> > experienced" techie guys to sort out the problem, as I am an IT
> > manager and I have know idea what these cretins have concocted. I
> > was
> > amazed by the fob offs saying that it was not there problem it must
> > be
> > another program which is causing it, however I was only installing
> > SP2
> > everything else worked before.
> >
> > All Micro$oft want is a monopoly and do not care about there users
> > and
> > that they may have non micro$oft software aswell on their machine.
> >
> > Well I stick two fingers up at Micro$oft and will not be installing
> > SP2 until they have a finished piece of work
>
>
>