sp2

[Roy]

ever since i instaled sp2 i can,t access excite chat can
any one help me with this

[Eric]

Start -> Control Panel -> Add Remove Programs -> Microsoft
SP2 -> Remove

Until SP2 has been sorted out in a few months time.

I only install service packs myself a few months after
they come out.

Eric,
http://www.pcbuyerbeware.co.uk/
http://www.sharedbirthday.co.uk/

>-----Original Message-----
>ever since i instaled sp2 i can,t access excite chat
can
>any one help me with this
>.
>

[Gordon]

"Eric" > wrote in message
...
> Until SP2 has been sorted out in a few months time.
>

SP2 won't be "sorted out" - it will stay as it is. There MAY be some post
SP2 fixes released, but SP2 itself will stay as it is!

[r]

http://www.fixyourwindows.com/winxpsp2install.htm#SomecommonWindowsXPproblems

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"Roy" wrote:

> ever since i instaled sp2 i can,t access excite chat can
> any one help me with this
>

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

"Until SP2 has been sorted out..."
Exactly what do you mean?
SP-2 will not change, it is the same today as it was when released as
it will be next year.
If all you do is wait, you waste time.
You also need to research your hardware and software for possible
issues with SP-2.
Then be sure the computer is ready for SP-2:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm

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"Eric" > wrote in message
...
> Start -> Control Panel -> Add Remove Programs -> Microsoft
> SP2 -> Remove
>
> Until SP2 has been sorted out in a few months time.
>
> I only install service packs myself a few months after
> they come out.
>
> Eric,
> http://www.pcbuyerbeware.co.uk/
> http://www.sharedbirthday.co.uk/

[Wislu Plethora]

>-----Original Message-----
>"Until SP2 has been sorted out..."
>Exactly what do you mean?
>SP-2 will not change, it is the same today as it was when
released as
>it will be next year.
>If all you do is wait, you waste time.
>You also need to research your hardware and software for
possible
>issues with SP-2.
>Then be sure the computer is ready for SP-2:
>http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
>http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
>
>--
>Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>
>

So you have certain knowledge that there will be no
"patches" that will address post-release issues?

[Testy]

Jupiter is all-knowing.

Testy

"Wislu Plethora" > wrote in message
...
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >"Until SP2 has been sorted out..."
> >Exactly what do you mean?
> >SP-2 will not change, it is the same today as it was when
> released as
> >it will be next year.
> >If all you do is wait, you waste time.
> >You also need to research your hardware and software for
> possible
> >issues with SP-2.
> >Then be sure the computer is ready for SP-2:
> >http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
> >http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
> >
> >--
> >Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> >http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
> >
> >
>
> So you have certain knowledge that there will be no
> "patches" that will address post-release issues?
>


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[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

You should read my post before sticking your foot in your mouth yet
again.
You obviously did not read it.
Your history shows your character:
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"Testy" > wrote in message
...
> Jupiter is all-knowing.
>
> Testy

[Plato]

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>
> You should read my post before sticking your foot in your mouth yet
> again.
> You obviously did not read it.
> Your history shows your character:

You must have just shed the thick skin needed for USEnet [grin]

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

No, that is not what I said.
SP-2 will not change.
Just like SP-1 is the same as originally released other than the
removal of Microsoft Virtual Machine necessitated by legal action.
Other than MVM, there were no other changes made to SP-1 even though
by that time there were several, patches affecting SP-1.
There may be patches but you should research to determine if they
apply to a particular computer.
The affects SP-1 has on your computer will be identical to what SP-1
will do with your computer in a year assuming you have not made other
changes.

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"Wislu Plethora" > wrote in
message ...
> So you have certain knowledge that there will be no
> "patches" that will address post-release issues?

[Herb Fritatta]

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> No, that is not what I said.
> SP-2 will not change.
> Just like SP-1 is the same as originally released other than the
> removal of Microsoft Virtual Machine necessitated by legal action.
> Other than MVM, there were no other changes made to SP-1 even though
> by that time there were several, patches affecting SP-1.
> There may be patches but you should research to determine if they
> apply to a particular computer.
> The affects SP-1 has on your computer will be identical to what SP-1
> will do with your computer in a year assuming you have not made other
> changes.
>
SP2 will not change, but its *effects* might be changed, which is what
Eric was referring to, I believe. I think it is indeed prudent to wait a
while for things to shake out (while maintaining good security in the
meantime).

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Herb;
"*effects* might be changed"
But only if something else is changed.
So actually the "*effects*" will not change, other factors would cause
the change.
If nothing else changes such as a patch, update etc, nothing will
change since SP-2 will be the same.
And without research those changes may not be discovered by the
computer user.

To wait and do nothing else is nothing but a waste of time.

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"Herb Fritatta" > wrote in message
...
> SP2 will not change, but its *effects* might be changed, which is
> what Eric was referring to, I believe. I think it is indeed prudent
> to wait a while for things to shake out (while maintaining good
> security in the meantime).

[cquirke (MVP Win9x)]

On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:02:27 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

>SP-2 will not change, it is the same today as it was when released as
>it will be next year.

There have been changes made outside of SP2 to address issues that can
render a PC unbootable after SP2 is installed:
- documentation of these known issues
- WU screens out at-risk PCs from receiving SP2
- there is a *pre-install* patch available for one of these issues

So yes; while SP2 itself may not change, there are changes needed that
will be applied outside the SP itself. Because some issues render SP2
unbootable, some of these have to be applied *before* installing SP2.



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[Don Taylor]

"cquirke (MVP Win9x)" > writes:
>On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:02:27 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
>>SP-2 will not change, it is the same today as it was when released as
>>it will be next year.

>There have been changes made outside of SP2 to address issues that can
>render a PC unbootable after SP2 is installed:
> - documentation of these known issues
> - WU screens out at-risk PCs from receiving SP2
> - there is a *pre-install* patch available for one of these issues

>So yes; while SP2 itself may not change, there are changes needed that
>will be applied outside the SP itself. Because some issues render SP2
>unbootable, some of these have to be applied *before* installing SP2.

Thank you for a more reasoned and rational response.
Hopefully some changes will fix the repeatedly reported:
windows explorer problems
16 bit problems

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

But that is not the point.
My point is waiting alone is not enough.
If there is no research, these things will not be discovered and the
user will be exactly where they would have been to begin with.
With the exception of something like the Prescott issue which stops
the installation of SP-2 through AU.
Installing SP-2 manually on a Prescott will still be problematic.

Your reference to documentation is not relevant since without
research, none will be discovered.
The same with preinstall patches.

What is the problem with what I say?
I never said don't wait.
I did say research is important while waiting.
I did say waiting and doing nothing while waiting is a waste of time.

If the owner does not research while waiting how are the resolutions
to be applied since they will not be known?

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"cquirke (MVP Win9x)" > wrote in message
...
> There have been changes made outside of SP2 to address issues that
> can
> render a PC unbootable after SP2 is installed:
> - documentation of these known issues
> - WU screens out at-risk PCs from receiving SP2
> - there is a *pre-install* patch available for one of these issues
>
> So yes; while SP2 itself may not change, there are changes needed
> that
> will be applied outside the SP itself. Because some issues render
> SP2
> unbootable, some of these have to be applied *before* installing
> SP2.
>
>
>
>>------------ ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
> The most accurate diagnostic instrument
> in medicine is the Retrospectoscope
>>------------ ----- ---- --- -- - - - -

[Phil McCracken]

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> But that is not the point.
> My point is waiting alone is not enough.
> If there is no research, these things will not be discovered and the
> user will be exactly where they would have been to begin with.
> With the exception of something like the Prescott issue which stops
> the installation of SP-2 through AU.
> Installing SP-2 manually on a Prescott will still be problematic.
>
> Your reference to documentation is not relevant since without
> research, none will be discovered.
> The same with preinstall patches.
>
> What is the problem with what I say?
> I never said don't wait.
> I did say research is important while waiting.
> I did say waiting and doing nothing while waiting is a waste of time.
>
> If the owner does not research while waiting how are the resolutions
> to be applied since they will not be known?
>

So your strategy would be to go ahead and install SP2 and allow
something undesireable to happen rather than not installing SP2 and
researching the potential for something bad to happen before making a
decision?

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Phil;
I am not sure what you mean.
But the strategy would be to research possible issues on the specific
computer.
Then install SP-2 once you have a satisfactory resolution for possible
issues.

No where did I suggest install SP-2 "and allow something undesireable
to happen"
That is the point of research, to prevent those before installation.
Or at least know what needs to be done to resolve them once SP-2 is
installed.

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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Phil McCracken" > wrote in message
...
> So your strategy would be to go ahead and install SP2 and allow
> something undesireable to happen rather than not installing SP2 and
> researching the potential for something bad to happen before making
> a decision?

[Phil McCracken]

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> Phil;
> I am not sure what you mean.
> But the strategy would be to research possible issues on the specific
> computer.
> Then install SP-2 once you have a satisfactory resolution for possible
> issues.
>
> No where did I suggest install SP-2 "and allow something undesireable
> to happen"
> That is the point of research, to prevent those before installation.
> Or at least know what needs to be done to resolve them once SP-2 is
> installed.
>

So it's a good idea to wait *and* research?

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Phil;
Yes.
Generally I think the majority should install SP-2.
Wait, a day, a week, a month as long as it takes to be reasonably
sure.
Take whatever time you feel necessary to adequately research your
system then install SP-2 on your terms.
This along with my checklist does not guarantee success.
But informed users with prepared computers will have less problems
than those who just jump right in.

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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Phil McCracken" > wrote in message
...
> So it's a good idea to wait *and* research?

[Gord Dibben]

For the record.

I followed the SP2 pre-install instructions found from several postings on
this site and on MS sites.

Cleaned up my computer using AdAware and SpyBot and de-fragged etc.

Have had not one problem with SP2 since installing on September 4th.

Also had none before installing SP2 because I keep my computer as clean as
possible using the tips found in this NG.

I believe those experiencing problems post-SP2 probably had problems before,
but didn't know the extent.

Thanks go to the concerned and caring MVP's on this site who gave clear and
concise directions with caveats.

Gord

On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 18:04:34 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
> wrote:

>Phil;
>Yes.
>Generally I think the majority should install SP-2.
>Wait, a day, a week, a month as long as it takes to be reasonably
>sure.
>Take whatever time you feel necessary to adequately research your
>system then install SP-2 on your terms.
>This along with my checklist does not guarantee success.
>But informed users with prepared computers will have less problems
>than those who just jump right in.