Wondering about sp2

[Laney]

there seems to be a lot of complaints about windows sp2? what does it
actually do for your computer do you need it? i've got it im just wondering
Laney

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

SP2 is a solid, secure release. It is a major "Critical Update"
for Windows XP and updates over 5 million lines of code,
enabling much stronger security, stability, and affords a tad better
performance benefit. SP2 was extensively tested on hundreds of
thousands of various computer configurations over a period of
many, many months. I would encourage you to install it at your
earliest convenience.

You may wish to view the following:

Top 10 Reasons to Install Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2)
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/topten.mspx

List of fixes included in Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811113&Product=windowsxpsp2

Learn About Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/preinstall.mspx

Changes to Functionality in Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/sp2chngs.mspx

What to Know Before You Download and Install Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/sp2_whattoknow.mspx

Windows XP Service Pack 2 Checklist
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm

[Courtesy of MS-MVP Jupiter Jones]

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx

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"Laney" wrote:

| there seems to be a lot of complaints about windows sp2? what does it
| actually do for your computer do you need it? i've got it im just wondering
| Laney

[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

"Laney" > wrote in message
...
> there seems to be a lot of complaints about windows sp2? what does it
> actually do for your computer do you need it? i've got it im just
> wondering
> Laney

Laney,

In addition to Carey's answer -- Note : that if you are basing your
impression of SP2 on what you see in these newsgroups then remember that
this is a peer to peer support newsgroup where people only come with
problems; and as some other poster said it is like sitting in the
ER/Casualty department of a busy hospital, if all you see are injuries and
illness do you assume the entire population is ill or injured (?)
There are millions of users out there who have deployed and are using SP2
without any issues at all.

--

Regards,

Mike
--
Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights

Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
newsgroups

"Laney" > wrote in message
...
> there seems to be a lot of complaints about windows sp2? what does it
> actually do for your computer do you need it? i've got it im just
> wondering
> Laney

[Wislu Plethora]

>-----Original Message-----
>"Laney" > wrote in
message
...
>> there seems to be a lot of complaints about windows
sp2? what does it
>> actually do for your computer do you need it? i've got
it im just
>> wondering
>> Laney
>
>Laney,
>
>In addition to Carey's answer -- Note : that if you are
basing your
>impression of SP2 on what you see in these newsgroups
then remember that
>this is a peer to peer support newsgroup where people
only come with
>problems; and as some other poster said it is like
sitting in the
>ER/Casualty department of a busy hospital, if all you
see are injuries and
>illness do you assume the entire population is ill or
injured (?)
>There are millions of users out there who have deployed
and are using SP2
>without any issues at all.
>
>--
>
>Regards,
>
>Mike
>--
>Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
>
>This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
confers no
>rights
>
>Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions,
please use these
>newsgroups
>

It's a little tiresome seeing that lame analogy being
tossed around as though it made sense. Can one assume
that the injured and ill within sight in the hospital
comprise *all* of the ill and injured people in the
world? Is it possible to make any inferences about the
population at large by looking at a sample group (e.g.,
hospitalized individuals, or people in these groups with
SP2 problems)? Isn't it true that most people with SP2
problems will never come here, and that many don't even
know that Usenet exists?

[Robert Moir]

Wislu Plethora wrote:
> It's a little tiresome seeing that lame analogy being
> tossed around as though it made sense.

I'm sorry. I'll let you proof read and edit the next one I come up with.

> Isn't it true that most people with SP2
> problems will never come here, and that many don't even
> know that Usenet exists?

Quite possible. An absence of posts about a problem here doesn't mean that
the problem does not exist, for the reasons you state.

However, this is a treatment site for people with Windows problems, so its
safe to assume that the statistical sample of people with computer problems
in here is higher than it would be in the general population of computer
users. Which is the point of the analogy. You can't base numbers for the
general computer population based on the sample population of this group
because the sample is skewed.

Would you think a survey to find the percentage of alcoholics in your town
was a valid survey if it turned out that the survey was carried out in an
alcoholics anonymous meeting? Or at a Mosque?

--
--
Rob Moir, Microsoft MVP for servers & security
Website - http://www.robertmoir.co.uk
Virtual PC 2004 FAQ - http://www.robertmoir.co.uk/win/VirtualPC2004FAQ.html

Kazaa - Software update services for your Viruses and Spyware.

[Frank]

Yes, ignore all of the posts about machines that have
crashed, and windows installations that were screwed up.
They are really Apple employees just trying to make MS
look bad.

There's a maxim that applies;

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.





>-----Original Message-----
>SP2 is a solid, secure release. It is a major "Critical
Update"
>for Windows XP and updates over 5 million lines of code,
>enabling much stronger security, stability, and affords a
tad better
>performance benefit. SP2 was extensively tested on
hundreds of
>thousands of various computer configurations over a
period of
>many, many months. I would encourage you to install it
at your
>earliest convenience.
>
>You may wish to view the following:
>
>Top 10 Reasons to Install Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2)
>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/topten.mspx
>
>List of fixes included in Windows XP Service Pack 2
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
us;811113&Product=windowsxpsp2
>
>Learn About Windows XP Service Pack 2
>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/preinstall.mspx
>
>Changes to Functionality in Microsoft Windows XP Service
Pack 2
>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/main
tain/sp2chngs.mspx
>
>What to Know Before You Download and Install Windows XP
Service Pack 2
>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/sp2_whattoknow.mspx
>
>Windows XP Service Pack 2 Checklist
>http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
>
>[Courtesy of MS-MVP Jupiter Jones]
>
>--
>Carey Frisch
>Microsoft MVP
>Windows XP - Shell/User
>
>Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
>http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.a
spx
>
>----------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
>
>"Laney" wrote:
>
>| there seems to be a lot of complaints about windows
sp2? what does it
>| actually do for your computer do you need it? i've got
it im just wondering
>| Laney
>.
>

[Hopscotch Whiskey]

Thats your rendition i've used it security is still the same you get the
same viruses and malware at exactly the same rate as before. The only thing
that helps is using ie ads or using mozilla firefox. Gates is crazy the
internet explorer with sp2 is just as bad as the original release back in
2001.
"Carey Frisch [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> SP2 is a solid, secure release. It is a major "Critical Update"
> for Windows XP and updates over 5 million lines of code,
> enabling much stronger security, stability, and affords a tad better
> performance benefit. SP2 was extensively tested on hundreds of
> thousands of various computer configurations over a period of
> many, many months. I would encourage you to install it at your
> earliest convenience.
>
> You may wish to view the following:
>
> Top 10 Reasons to Install Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2)
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/topten.mspx
>
> List of fixes included in Windows XP Service Pack 2
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811113&Product=windowsxpsp2
>
> Learn About Windows XP Service Pack 2
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/preinstall.mspx
>
> Changes to Functionality in Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/sp2chngs.mspx
>
> What to Know Before You Download and Install Windows XP Service Pack 2
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/sp2_whattoknow.mspx
>
> Windows XP Service Pack 2 Checklist
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
>
> [Courtesy of MS-MVP Jupiter Jones]
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows XP - Shell/User
>
> Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Laney" wrote:
>
> | there seems to be a lot of complaints about windows sp2? what does it
> | actually do for your computer do you need it? i've got it im just
> wondering
> | Laney

[Wislu Plethora]

>-----Original Message-----
>Wislu Plethora wrote:
>> It's a little tiresome seeing that lame analogy being
>> tossed around as though it made sense.
>
>I'm sorry. I'll let you proof read and edit the next one
I come up with.
>
>> Isn't it true that most people with SP2
>> problems will never come here, and that many don't even
>> know that Usenet exists?
>
>Quite possible. An absence of posts about a problem here
doesn't mean that
>the problem does not exist, for the reasons you state.
>
>However, this is a treatment site for people with Windows
problems, so its
>safe to assume that the statistical sample of people with
computer problems
>in here is higher than it would be in the general
population of computer
>users. Which is the point of the analogy. You can't base
numbers for the
>general computer population based on the sample
population of this group
>because the sample is skewed.
>
>Would you think a survey to find the percentage of
alcoholics in your town
>was a valid survey if it turned out that the survey was
carried out in an
>alcoholics anonymous meeting? Or at a Mosque?
>
>--
>--
>Rob Moir, Microsoft MVP for servers & security
>Website - http://www.robertmoir.co.uk
>Virtual PC 2004 FAQ -
http://www.robertmoir.co.uk/win/VirtualPC2004FAQ.html
>
>Kazaa - Software update services for your Viruses and
Spyware.
>
>

You say, "Don't come to any conclusions about the numbers
of SP2 problems based on what you see in this group,
because people with problems are more likely to be here
than people without problems." I think that's fairly
obvious. But the whole problem is that A) only a very
small percentage of users with problems are likely to
show up here, and B) people who are not smart or
resourceful enough to come here are the very ones who are
most likely to have problems. It serves no purpose to tell
people not to pay close attention to the problems reported
here; in fact it's irresponsible.

Your own analogy also makes no sense, by the way; as the
number of alcoholics has a tendency to remain constant
when viewed as a proportion of the population at large,
the numbers of people attending AA meetings are indeed
reliable indicators of the extent of the problem in a
given population. Of course no one would try to
extrapolate anything from a survey whose samples were
taken exclusively from an Islamic population, unless one
were attempting to determine the number of Islamic
alcoholics. And the concept extends to XP users with
SP2 problems, another fairly exclusive population.
And why did you capitalize "mosque"?

[Robert Moir]

Wislu Plethora wrote:
> You say, "Don't come to any conclusions about the numbers
> of SP2 problems based on what you see in this group,
> because people with problems are more likely to be here
> than people without problems." I think that's fairly
> obvious. But the whole problem is that A) only a very
> small percentage of users with problems are likely to
> show up here, and B) people who are not smart or
> resourceful enough to come here are the very ones who are
> most likely to have problems. It serves no purpose to tell
> people not to pay close attention to the problems reported
> here; in fact it's irresponsible.

Oh I think its a very good idea to look here at the types of errors people
are encountering. I think that newsgroups like this are very good places to
see early signs of a problem precisely because the people who tend to use
newsgroups like these tend to be ahead of the wave.

What you can't say is that because an error is reported here, it MUST be
happening everywhere, or because an error is not reported here then it CAN'T
be happening at all.

> Your own analogy also makes no sense, by the way; as the
> number of alcoholics has a tendency to remain constant
> when viewed as a proportion of the population at large,
> the numbers of people attending AA meetings are indeed
> reliable indicators of the extent of the problem in a
> given population.

Yes, but I was talking about using the numbers of people attending AA
meetings, for example, being used as a representative sample of a cross
section of the whole population, where obviously to use the numbers in that
way would be a skew.

You know, any analogy will tend to look weaker when subjected to close
examination, its supposed to be a simple parable to explain a point, not a
scientific catalogue of a theory.


> And why did you capitalize "mosque"?

No reason, other than I always tend to capitalise religious building names -
I'd have written "Church" just as happily if I was talking about a place of
Christian worship.

[Laney]

Cheers frank i'll remember that

"Frank" wrote:

> Yes, ignore all of the posts about machines that have
> crashed, and windows installations that were screwed up.
> They are really Apple employees just trying to make MS
> look bad.
>
> There's a maxim that applies;
>
> If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
>
>
>
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >SP2 is a solid, secure release. It is a major "Critical
> Update"
> >for Windows XP and updates over 5 million lines of code,
> >enabling much stronger security, stability, and affords a
> tad better
> >performance benefit. SP2 was extensively tested on
> hundreds of
> >thousands of various computer configurations over a
> period of
> >many, many months. I would encourage you to install it
> at your
> >earliest convenience.
> >
> >You may wish to view the following:
> >
> >Top 10 Reasons to Install Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2)
> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/topten.mspx
> >
> >List of fixes included in Windows XP Service Pack 2
> >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
> us;811113&Product=windowsxpsp2
> >
> >Learn About Windows XP Service Pack 2
> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/preinstall.mspx
> >
> >Changes to Functionality in Microsoft Windows XP Service
> Pack 2
> >http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/main
> tain/sp2chngs.mspx
> >
> >What to Know Before You Download and Install Windows XP
> Service Pack 2
> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/sp2_whattoknow.mspx
> >
> >Windows XP Service Pack 2 Checklist
> >http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
> >
> >[Courtesy of MS-MVP Jupiter Jones]
> >
> >--
> >Carey Frisch
> >Microsoft MVP
> >Windows XP - Shell/User
> >
> >Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
> >http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.a
> spx
> >
> >----------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------
> >
> >"Laney" wrote:
> >
> >| there seems to be a lot of complaints about windows
> sp2? what does it
> >| actually do for your computer do you need it? i've got
> it im just wondering
> >| Laney
> >.
> >
>

[Laney]

oh yeah didnt think of it like that i suppose your right cheers

"Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" wrote:

> "Laney" > wrote in message
> ...
> > there seems to be a lot of complaints about windows sp2? what does it
> > actually do for your computer do you need it? i've got it im just
> > wondering
> > Laney
>
> Laney,
>
> In addition to Carey's answer -- Note : that if you are basing your
> impression of SP2 on what you see in these newsgroups then remember that
> this is a peer to peer support newsgroup where people only come with
> problems; and as some other poster said it is like sitting in the
> ER/Casualty department of a busy hospital, if all you see are injuries and
> illness do you assume the entire population is ill or injured (?)
> There are millions of users out there who have deployed and are using SP2
> without any issues at all.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
> --
> Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights
>
> Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
> newsgroups
>
> "Laney" > wrote in message
> ...
> > there seems to be a lot of complaints about windows sp2? what does it
> > actually do for your computer do you need it? i've got it im just
> > wondering
> > Laney
>
>
>