Forgetful dun?

[Debbie]

Hi,

There'll probably be a flurry of questions from me for a day or two.
We were fool enough to buy today two new identical pcs (P4, 120Gb, 512
ram) for the kids with XP home SP1 pre-installed. They are networked
with an ethernet card. One has an dial up internet connection which
the other can use. So far, I've encountered two things which I'm
sure are completely dealable with, but blowed if I can find out how.

[1] PC1 - The PC with the internet connection: It's a simple DUN,
but it seems to keep forgetting the password. When the DUN box comes
up, there is a row of blobs with the right number of characters, but
the connection says that the password is wrong. If I type in the
password each time, it's fine, but ntl passwords are long and
unmemorable, so it's easier not to have to. I have a funny feeling
there was a previous query about this but I can't find it in my
archive of useful posts, and Google has so many...

[2] PC2 - The PC without the internet connection: I want this pc to
be able to dial up using the connection on the other computer. I've
set the dun connection on PC1 to share, but can't figure out how to
make a dial up connection on PC2 using the PC1 dun. Once PC1 is
connected, PC2 can access the internet without problems, but if child
1 is out, I want child 2 to be able to use an internet connection
without having to go into child 1's bedroom and log on to his PC to
dial up. (Anyone who has kids of 12 and 11 will appreciate why!)

TIA,

Debbie

--

Debbie
Urban Theology Unit, Sheffield
Views expressed in this email are my own and are not
necessarily those of the University of Sheffield or UTU.

[Ray Taylor]

PC1 : Holds the dial up connection. In the internet connection properties,
make sure it is shared so others can use the connection -and- make sure the
'establish a dial-up connection whenever a computer on my computer tries to
access the internet' box is ticked.

PC2 : Make sure pc1 is on and someone has logged in and the desktop is
displayed. Open internet explorer on pc2 and you will hear pc1 begin to
dial. IE will probably find the homepage unavaliable (timeout) but pc1 will
continue to connect. Hit refresh if this happens.


For pc1 to connect automatically, you will need the password to be saved
correctly which i dont know much about this problem so someone else may be
able to help. Also on the connection properties under options, you may want
to untick all the boxes under 'dialing options' except the display progress.
Do this once you have the password fixed.


Ray Taylor






"Debbie" > wrote in message
...
> Hi,
>
> There'll probably be a flurry of questions from me for a day or two.
> We were fool enough to buy today two new identical pcs (P4, 120Gb, 512
> ram) for the kids with XP home SP1 pre-installed. They are networked
> with an ethernet card. One has an dial up internet connection which
> the other can use. So far, I've encountered two things which I'm
> sure are completely dealable with, but blowed if I can find out how.
>
> [1] PC1 - The PC with the internet connection: It's a simple DUN,
> but it seems to keep forgetting the password. When the DUN box comes
> up, there is a row of blobs with the right number of characters, but
> the connection says that the password is wrong. If I type in the
> password each time, it's fine, but ntl passwords are long and
> unmemorable, so it's easier not to have to. I have a funny feeling
> there was a previous query about this but I can't find it in my
> archive of useful posts, and Google has so many...
>
> [2] PC2 - The PC without the internet connection: I want this pc to
> be able to dial up using the connection on the other computer. I've
> set the dun connection on PC1 to share, but can't figure out how to
> make a dial up connection on PC2 using the PC1 dun. Once PC1 is
> connected, PC2 can access the internet without problems, but if child
> 1 is out, I want child 2 to be able to use an internet connection
> without having to go into child 1's bedroom and log on to his PC to
> dial up. (Anyone who has kids of 12 and 11 will appreciate why!)
>
> TIA,
>
> Debbie
>
> --
>
> Debbie
> Urban Theology Unit, Sheffield
> Views expressed in this email are my own and are not
> necessarily those of the University of Sheffield or UTU.

[Sharon F]

On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 23:34:28 +0100, Debbie
> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>There'll probably be a flurry of questions from me for a day or two.
>We were fool enough to buy today two new identical pcs (P4, 120Gb, 512
>ram) for the kids with XP home SP1 pre-installed. They are networked
>with an ethernet card. One has an dial up internet connection which
>the other can use. So far, I've encountered two things which I'm
>sure are completely dealable with, but blowed if I can find out how.
>
>[1] PC1 - The PC with the internet connection: It's a simple DUN,
>but it seems to keep forgetting the password. When the DUN box comes
>up, there is a row of blobs with the right number of characters, but
>the connection says that the password is wrong. If I type in the
>password each time, it's fine, but ntl passwords are long and
>unmemorable, so it's easier not to have to. I have a funny feeling
>there was a previous query about this but I can't find it in my
>archive of useful posts, and Google has so many...
>
>[2] PC2 - The PC without the internet connection: I want this pc to
>be able to dial up using the connection on the other computer. I've
>set the dun connection on PC1 to share, but can't figure out how to
>make a dial up connection on PC2 using the PC1 dun. Once PC1 is
>connected, PC2 can access the internet without problems, but if child
>1 is out, I want child 2 to be able to use an internet connection
>without having to go into child 1's bedroom and log on to his PC to
>dial up. (Anyone who has kids of 12 and 11 will appreciate why!)
>
>TIA,
>
>Debbie

Try recreating the connection for NTL. Trying to fix a corrupt
connectoid can be a pain and an inablility to retain a password is often
caused by a corrupt connection. Regardless of the password length, XP
will always show the same number of blobs. It's a security feature.

ICS may not be the right option to share an internet connection. If it
is likely that both machines may not be powered on at the same time,
consider some alternatives. Example: add a router instead of using ICS.
The router will take care of logging on and maintaining the internet
connection for both computers.

Sharon F
MS MVP [Shell/User]

[Debbie at work]

On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 11:28:24 +1200, "Ray Taylor" >
wrote:

>PC1 : Holds the dial up connection. In the internet connection properties,
>make sure it is shared so others can use the connection -and- make sure the
>'establish a dial-up connection whenever a computer on my computer tries to
>access the internet' box is ticked.

Yes, that's all ok

>PC2 : Make sure pc1 is on and someone has logged in and the desktop is
>displayed. Open internet explorer on pc2 and you will hear pc1 begin to
>dial. IE will probably find the homepage unavaliable (timeout) but pc1 will
>continue to connect. Hit refresh if this happens.

eugh, do I have to do it using IE? I was hoping to be able to set up
a separate dun to put on the desktop.

>For pc1 to connect automatically, you will need the password to be saved
>correctly which i dont know much about this problem so someone else may be
>able to help. Also on the connection properties under options, you may want
>to untick all the boxes under 'dialing options' except the display progress.
>Do this once you have the password fixed.

Still struggling with that dun. Many thanks to whoever it was who
suggested setting up a new one (for some reason, my work ng server
doesn't have tha post), but alas, it didn't solve the problem. The
password has 8 characters (letters and numbers mixed), so it isn't too
long. Does anybody have any other suggestions as to why the dun
thinks it knows the password, but is apparently unable to recall it
when connecting to the isp?

Regards and thanks,

Debbie

[Sharon F]

On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:20:29 GMT,
(Debbie at work) wrote:

>Still struggling with that dun. Many thanks to whoever it was who
>suggested setting up a new one (for some reason, my work ng server
>doesn't have tha post), but alas, it didn't solve the problem. The
>password has 8 characters (letters and numbers mixed), so it isn't too
>long. Does anybody have any other suggestions as to why the dun
>thinks it knows the password, but is apparently unable to recall it
>when connecting to the isp?
>
>Regards and thanks,
>
>Debbie

The XP password asterisks will always number 16. It's a security feature
that masks the actual password. Ignore the extra characters and give the
shortcut a try. If it doesn't work, double check username/password, and
other settings. May need to consult your ISP too. For example, when
setting up an MSN connection in this manner the user ID is prefaced with
MSN/ Without that extra bit added in, the connection to the ISP will
fail.

Sharon F
MS MVP [Shell/User]

[Debbie]

On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:50:48 -0500, Sharon F >
wrote:


>Try recreating the connection for NTL. Trying to fix a corrupt
>connectoid can be a pain and an inablility to retain a password is often
>caused by a corrupt connection. Regardless of the password length, XP
>will always show the same number of blobs. It's a security feature.

I didn't know that!

I set up a new connection, but the same thing happens, and as it's a
brand new PC, corruption seems unlikely, I'd have thought. I'm still
pondering, but if anyone has any interesting suggestions, I'l try
anything. At present son has to type in a profoundly unmemorable ntl
password to connect every time.

>ICS may not be the right option to share an internet connection. If it
>is likely that both machines may not be powered on at the same time,
>consider some alternatives. Example: add a router instead of using ICS.
>The router will take care of logging on and maintaining the internet
>connection for both computers.

This is only a temporary measure. At some time in the not too
distant future, we're going to put all four computers on a wireless
network, and probably set up a broadband connection at the same time.
But that requires more free time than I have right now, and this
temporary setup is a quick way to get them internet access for
homework and email.

I appreciate the advice, though - it confirms my own thougts on the
subject, which is always cheering!

--

Debbie
Urban Theology Unit, Sheffield
Views expressed in this email are my own and are not
necessarily those of the University of Sheffield or UTU.

[Sharon F]

On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:34:20 +0100, Debbie
> wrote:

>On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:50:48 -0500, Sharon F >
>wrote:
>
>
>>Try recreating the connection for NTL. Trying to fix a corrupt
>>connectoid can be a pain and an inablility to retain a password is often
>>caused by a corrupt connection. Regardless of the password length, XP
>>will always show the same number of blobs. It's a security feature.
>
>I didn't know that!
>
>I set up a new connection, but the same thing happens, and as it's a
>brand new PC, corruption seems unlikely, I'd have thought. I'm still
>pondering, but if anyone has any interesting suggestions, I'l try
>anything. At present son has to type in a profoundly unmemorable ntl
>password to connect every time.
>
>>ICS may not be the right option to share an internet connection. If it
>>is likely that both machines may not be powered on at the same time,
>>consider some alternatives. Example: add a router instead of using ICS.
>>The router will take care of logging on and maintaining the internet
>>connection for both computers.
>
>This is only a temporary measure. At some time in the not too
>distant future, we're going to put all four computers on a wireless
>network, and probably set up a broadband connection at the same time.
>But that requires more free time than I have right now, and this
>temporary setup is a quick way to get them internet access for
>homework and email.
>
>I appreciate the advice, though - it confirms my own thougts on the
>subject, which is always cheering!

Find some time soon. You'll love the wireless network. Well, I love mine
anyhow. Took longer to install the hardware physically to the computers
than anything else. Less than 30 minutes for me to switch on XP so it
could install the drivers for that hardware and to run the network
wizard on 2 XP Pro systems.

It will put a quick end to that uncomfortable situation you have going
on between the two preteens. Sounds like you have your hands full right
there! :)

Good luck,
Sharon F
MS MVP [Shell/User]