RE: wuts so good about sp2??

[sp2 is nag ware.]

sp2 cleans up all those patches(i hope) that you have been
downloading weekly. and it gives you the nagger. windows
security center. of course though the security center has
caused people to believe xp has an antivirus program with
it now ,and it's turned off.(lol).=20
removin sp2 will also remove those patches unless you
archived on install.
and before install scan for virus ,spyware, defrag. get the
cd from microfloppy and no download bit rot, that may
impair install.=20
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/sp2/cdorder/en_us/de=
fault.mspx
free to get.
and turn off security center warnings and the auto update
and also go to your computer manufacturers website for sp2
patches.

and cross your fingers.
it may also help remove that glitch.



>-----Original Message-----
>i have a router, a good virus program, and i don't even
use the windows=20
>firewall, what is so good about sp2?? there seems to be
alot of problems with=20
>compatibility with other programs, and i have a startup
problem or a freeze=20
>every so often. most of my friends don't have sp2, and
they don't seem to=20
>have any issues... what are the consequences of
uninstalling it??=20
>.
>

[Chris Barnes]

If you're happying saying "wuts", you'll be happy with XP w/o sp2.

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[Jay]

"Chris Barnes" > wrote in message
...
> If you're happying saying "wuts", you'll be happy with XP w/o sp2.

happying?

:o)



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[SlowJet]

Windows Xp with SP2 is a completely new OS.
Windows 2000 was based on NT (Not DOS or 9x)
Applications designed and coded for ancient OS's are only compatible up to a
point where the external Application code can not function according to the
new rules of the OS.

Even as of yesterday, a post about he AGP driver, a VIA chipset board. The
fact of the matter is that MS had to tighten down the AGP driver because
several Video card makers were going off on their own exploiting subtle
parts of the standards.
The new AGP driver 3.5 standard is now in affect.
Of course the reply to the OP was hey do this and that and then,, the old
way and it will not work any more.

So that's one example a driver standard change and they have changed several
times since 98, ME, and even 2000.

Couple that with the fact that all DOS Windows, 9.x, and ME had no security
in the OS and the file system only had basic permissions which could be
overridden by any user.

The facts are that many complaining are trying to use XP SP2 as if it were
still win 98 or me.
It is not and the majority of even new programs have not even yet been
written correctly for XP SP2 standards.

This was not a whack for MS to make your life miserable, but rather a long
over due fix that was making the lives of millions miserable due to errors,
vulnerabilities, and lake of Internet security from the exponential growth
in methods to disrupt and crash thousands of computers coming from all over
the world.

Everything has changed about computers for the SOHO user, corporations and
government have been running with the newer model for years. Most of the
SOHO users will not notice a difference because they have newer computers
with newer applications and use the basic methods to compute (word
processor, e-mail, browser, chat, file download)

The truth is that older hardware and older applications just are not going
to keep up much longer even though there are several mechanisums in the
Windows OS to accommodate the older standards, and the OS can run unsecured
and unprotected, it is a matter of time before the system will get hosed up
and need to be re-installed. (Not to mention the spread of problems to
others.)

But the Windows XP with SP2, a two-way firewall, and AV, and a Adware
blocker, is once again stable, reliable, and safe from the Internet, and
secure from hackers and overrides.(Nothing is secure from bad hardware.)

If that's too good for someone then by all means do your own thing but in
the process it would benefit millions to state the truth of why you are
doing it, such as ignorance, jealousy, ego, self rightous indignation,
hatered for MS, etc) rather than saying the SP2 for XP sucks, broke my old
hardware, crashed my 5 year program, stops the internet, can't write to my 4
year old disk(that's way to small) that hasn't had more than 2 GB on it
ever, etc.

The truth is the users just don't know what they are doing and some of them
should have never arbitrary updated. However, there comes a point in a
culture when even the best intentions will still be ignored by the masses
(i.e. the America elections vs. the rest of the world's people) and thus
someone just has to say WHEN.

WHEN was August 25th, 2004 and it was called Windows Automated Update.

The past is on the shelf, are you staying there with it or moving on down
the road?
Choice is good, but there are also bad choices from which we learn life's
lessons. And there is a time to take out the garbage and buy new clothes.

SJ
"keisuke" > wrote in message
...
>i have a router, a good virus program, and i don't even use the windows
> firewall, what is so good about sp2?? there seems to be alot of problems
> with
> compatibility with other programs, and i have a startup problem or a
> freeze
> every so often. most of my friends don't have sp2, and they don't seem to
> have any issues... what are the consequences of uninstalling it??

[Linda B]

Wow, that was incredibly overstated... and incorrect. SP2 is a series of
patches and fixes rolled into one, designed from the ground up to increase
security in XP (most assuredly *not* a "completely new OS"). The 'pro' is
increased security, the 'con' is that some programs utilize methodology that
SP2 deems "unsecure" -- therefore these applications won't function properly.
Most designers have already released or are working on patches for their
programs to make them work with SP2.

In the end, it's a matter of preference. If you already operate your
computer in an intelligent manner (keep it up to date, firewalled, AV'd,
etc.), then you probably don't need SP2. If you're Joe Q. User who doesn't
know all the ins and outs of his machine, SP2 may serve you well. Personally
I never install a major update until it's been out in the field for 6-12
months, just to iron out all the bugs.

Oh, and by the way: automatic update was available long before the release
of SP2...


"SlowJet" wrote:

> Windows Xp with SP2 is a completely new OS.
> Windows 2000 was based on NT (Not DOS or 9x)
> Applications designed and coded for ancient OS's are only compatible up to a
> point where the external Application code can not function according to the
> new rules of the OS.
>
> Even as of yesterday, a post about he AGP driver, a VIA chipset board. The
> fact of the matter is that MS had to tighten down the AGP driver because
> several Video card makers were going off on their own exploiting subtle
> parts of the standards.
> The new AGP driver 3.5 standard is now in affect.
> Of course the reply to the OP was hey do this and that and then,, the old
> way and it will not work any more.
>
> So that's one example a driver standard change and they have changed several
> times since 98, ME, and even 2000.
>
> Couple that with the fact that all DOS Windows, 9.x, and ME had no security
> in the OS and the file system only had basic permissions which could be
> overridden by any user.
>
> The facts are that many complaining are trying to use XP SP2 as if it were
> still win 98 or me.
> It is not and the majority of even new programs have not even yet been
> written correctly for XP SP2 standards.
>
> This was not a whack for MS to make your life miserable, but rather a long
> over due fix that was making the lives of millions miserable due to errors,
> vulnerabilities, and lake of Internet security from the exponential growth
> in methods to disrupt and crash thousands of computers coming from all over
> the world.
>
> Everything has changed about computers for the SOHO user, corporations and
> government have been running with the newer model for years. Most of the
> SOHO users will not notice a difference because they have newer computers
> with newer applications and use the basic methods to compute (word
> processor, e-mail, browser, chat, file download)
>
> The truth is that older hardware and older applications just are not going
> to keep up much longer even though there are several mechanisums in the
> Windows OS to accommodate the older standards, and the OS can run unsecured
> and unprotected, it is a matter of time before the system will get hosed up
> and need to be re-installed. (Not to mention the spread of problems to
> others.)
>
> But the Windows XP with SP2, a two-way firewall, and AV, and a Adware
> blocker, is once again stable, reliable, and safe from the Internet, and
> secure from hackers and overrides.(Nothing is secure from bad hardware.)
>
> If that's too good for someone then by all means do your own thing but in
> the process it would benefit millions to state the truth of why you are
> doing it, such as ignorance, jealousy, ego, self rightous indignation,
> hatered for MS, etc) rather than saying the SP2 for XP sucks, broke my old
> hardware, crashed my 5 year program, stops the internet, can't write to my 4
> year old disk(that's way to small) that hasn't had more than 2 GB on it
> ever, etc.
>
> The truth is the users just don't know what they are doing and some of them
> should have never arbitrary updated. However, there comes a point in a
> culture when even the best intentions will still be ignored by the masses
> (i.e. the America elections vs. the rest of the world's people) and thus
> someone just has to say WHEN.
>
> WHEN was August 25th, 2004 and it was called Windows Automated Update.
>
> The past is on the shelf, are you staying there with it or moving on down
> the road?
> Choice is good, but there are also bad choices from which we learn life's
> lessons. And there is a time to take out the garbage and buy new clothes.
>
> SJ
> "keisuke" > wrote in message
> ...
> >i have a router, a good virus program, and i don't even use the windows
> > firewall, what is so good about sp2?? there seems to be alot of problems
> > with
> > compatibility with other programs, and i have a startup problem or a
> > freeze
> > every so often. most of my friends don't have sp2, and they don't seem to
> > have any issues... what are the consequences of uninstalling it??
>
>
>

[DanS]

"=?Utf-8?B?TGluZGEgQg==?=" <Linda > wrote in
:

> Wow, that was incredibly overstated... and incorrect. SP2 is a series
> of patches and fixes rolled into one, designed from the ground up to
> increase security in XP (most assuredly *not* a "completely new OS").
> The 'pro' is increased security, the 'con' is that some programs
> utilize methodology that SP2 deems "unsecure" -- therefore these
> applications won't function properly.
> Most designers have already released or are working on patches for
> their
> programs to make them work with SP2.
>
> In the end, it's a matter of preference. If you already operate your
> computer in an intelligent manner (keep it up to date, firewalled,
> AV'd, etc.), then you probably don't need SP2. If you're Joe Q. User
> who doesn't know all the ins and outs of his machine, SP2 may serve
> you well. Personally I never install a major update until it's been
> out in the field for 6-12 months, just to iron out all the bugs.
>
> Oh, and by the way: automatic update was available long before the
> release of SP2...
>
>
> "SlowJet" wrote:
>
>> Windows Xp with SP2 is a completely new OS.
>> Windows 2000 was based on NT (Not DOS or 9x)
>> Applications designed and coded for ancient OS's are only compatible
>> up to a point where the external Application code can not function
>> according to the new rules of the OS.
>>
>> Even as of yesterday, a post about he AGP driver, a VIA chipset
>> board. The fact of the matter is that MS had to tighten down the AGP
>> driver because several Video card makers were going off on their own
>> exploiting subtle parts of the standards.
>> The new AGP driver 3.5 standard is now in affect.
>> Of course the reply to the OP was hey do this and that and then,, the
>> old way and it will not work any more.
>>
>> So that's one example a driver standard change and they have changed
>> several times since 98, ME, and even 2000.
>>
>> Couple that with the fact that all DOS Windows, 9.x, and ME had no
>> security in the OS and the file system only had basic permissions
>> which could be overridden by any user.
>>
>> The facts are that many complaining are trying to use XP SP2 as if it
>> were still win 98 or me.
>> It is not and the majority of even new programs have not even yet
>> been written correctly for XP SP2 standards.
>>
>> This was not a whack for MS to make your life miserable, but rather a
>> long over due fix that was making the lives of millions miserable due
>> to errors, vulnerabilities, and lake of Internet security from the
>> exponential growth in methods to disrupt and crash thousands of
>> computers coming from all over the world.
>>
>> Everything has changed about computers for the SOHO user,
>> corporations and government have been running with the newer model
>> for years. Most of the SOHO users will not notice a difference
>> because they have newer computers with newer applications and use the
>> basic methods to compute (word processor, e-mail, browser, chat, file
>> download)
>>
>> The truth is that older hardware and older applications just are not
>> going to keep up much longer even though there are several
>> mechanisums in the Windows OS to accommodate the older standards, and
>> the OS can run unsecured and unprotected, it is a matter of time
>> before the system will get hosed up and need to be re-installed. (Not
>> to mention the spread of problems to others.)
>>
>> But the Windows XP with SP2, a two-way firewall, and AV, and a Adware
>> blocker, is once again stable, reliable, and safe from the Internet,
>> and secure from hackers and overrides.(Nothing is secure from bad
>> hardware.)
>>
>> If that's too good for someone then by all means do your own thing
>> but in the process it would benefit millions to state the truth of
>> why you are doing it, such as ignorance, jealousy, ego, self rightous
>> indignation, hatered for MS, etc) rather than saying the SP2 for XP
>> sucks, broke my old hardware, crashed my 5 year program, stops the
>> internet, can't write to my 4 year old disk(that's way to small) that
>> hasn't had more than 2 GB on it ever, etc.
>>
>> The truth is the users just don't know what they are doing and some
>> of them should have never arbitrary updated. However, there comes a
>> point in a culture when even the best intentions will still be
>> ignored by the masses (i.e. the America elections vs. the rest of the
>> world's people) and thus someone just has to say WHEN.
>>
>> WHEN was August 25th, 2004 and it was called Windows Automated
>> Update.
>>
>> The past is on the shelf, are you staying there with it or moving on
>> down the road?
>> Choice is good, but there are also bad choices from which we learn
>> life's lessons. And there is a time to take out the garbage and buy
>> new clothes.
>>
>> SJ
>> "keisuke" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >i have a router, a good virus program, and i don't even use the
>> >windows
>> > firewall, what is so good about sp2?? there seems to be alot of
>> > problems with
>> > compatibility with other programs, and i have a startup problem or
>> > a freeze
>> > every so often. most of my friends don't have sp2, and they don't
>> > seem to have any issues... what are the consequences of
>> > uninstalling it??
>>
>>
>>
>

Thanks for stating this reply, it saved me a lot of time.


DanS

[NoNoBadDog!]

This response from slow jet is a very good example of what taking drugs can
do to the brain. Please do not believe anything that this addled mind has
written here.

Bobby
"SlowJet" > wrote in message
news:L6Rkd.1420$nc.61@trnddc03...
> Windows Xp with SP2 is a completely new OS.
> Windows 2000 was based on NT (Not DOS or 9x)
> Applications designed and coded for ancient OS's are only compatible up to
> a point where the external Application code can not function according to
> the new rules of the OS.
>
> Even as of yesterday, a post about he AGP driver, a VIA chipset board. The
> fact of the matter is that MS had to tighten down the AGP driver because
> several Video card makers were going off on their own exploiting subtle
> parts of the standards.
> The new AGP driver 3.5 standard is now in affect.
> Of course the reply to the OP was hey do this and that and then,, the old
> way and it will not work any more.
>
> So that's one example a driver standard change and they have changed
> several times since 98, ME, and even 2000.
>
> Couple that with the fact that all DOS Windows, 9.x, and ME had no
> security in the OS and the file system only had basic permissions which
> could be overridden by any user.
>
> The facts are that many complaining are trying to use XP SP2 as if it were
> still win 98 or me.
> It is not and the majority of even new programs have not even yet been
> written correctly for XP SP2 standards.
>
> This was not a whack for MS to make your life miserable, but rather a long
> over due fix that was making the lives of millions miserable due to
> errors, vulnerabilities, and lake of Internet security from the
> exponential growth in methods to disrupt and crash thousands of computers
> coming from all over the world.
>
> Everything has changed about computers for the SOHO user, corporations and
> government have been running with the newer model for years. Most of the
> SOHO users will not notice a difference because they have newer computers
> with newer applications and use the basic methods to compute (word
> processor, e-mail, browser, chat, file download)
>
> The truth is that older hardware and older applications just are not going
> to keep up much longer even though there are several mechanisums in the
> Windows OS to accommodate the older standards, and the OS can run
> unsecured and unprotected, it is a matter of time before the system will
> get hosed up and need to be re-installed. (Not to mention the spread of
> problems to others.)
>
> But the Windows XP with SP2, a two-way firewall, and AV, and a Adware
> blocker, is once again stable, reliable, and safe from the Internet, and
> secure from hackers and overrides.(Nothing is secure from bad hardware.)
>
> If that's too good for someone then by all means do your own thing but in
> the process it would benefit millions to state the truth of why you are
> doing it, such as ignorance, jealousy, ego, self rightous indignation,
> hatered for MS, etc) rather than saying the SP2 for XP sucks, broke my old
> hardware, crashed my 5 year program, stops the internet, can't write to my
> 4 year old disk(that's way to small) that hasn't had more than 2 GB on it
> ever, etc.
>
> The truth is the users just don't know what they are doing and some of
> them should have never arbitrary updated. However, there comes a point in
> a culture when even the best intentions will still be ignored by the
> masses (i.e. the America elections vs. the rest of the world's people) and
> thus someone just has to say WHEN.
>
> WHEN was August 25th, 2004 and it was called Windows Automated Update.
>
> The past is on the shelf, are you staying there with it or moving on down
> the road?
> Choice is good, but there are also bad choices from which we learn life's
> lessons. And there is a time to take out the garbage and buy new clothes.
>
> SJ
> "keisuke" > wrote in message
> ...
>>i have a router, a good virus program, and i don't even use the windows
>> firewall, what is so good about sp2?? there seems to be alot of problems
>> with
>> compatibility with other programs, and i have a startup problem or a
>> freeze
>> every so often. most of my friends don't have sp2, and they don't seem
>> to
>> have any issues... what are the consequences of uninstalling it??
>
>

[SlowJet]

BOLOGNA :)

Thousands of lines of code were changed.
It was complied by a completely new compiler.
The files were renames name with differnet sizes.
The install process replaced almost all system files.

The patches post SP1 were merily pieces of the greater project to ward off
chaos.

Programs are not unsecured, that are coded incorrectly.
The OS and file system and the security programs create and maintain
security.

Most designers? There has been very little SP2 NET XP specific programs
coming from the field. NET 1.1 SP1 is only weeks old.
IVP6 is a test status.
Software DEP for the Windows OS and Windows Programs is on default. Turn it
on for others and some may crash, meaning those program can crash you system
at anytime and be used to pipe malware and viruses.

One can prefer and do whatever they like but most would want the most
reliable, safest, and secure OS and programs because anything less makes no
sense.

I think statistics will show that the largest users of Windows XP are indeed
not computer experts and care nothing about the specifics of computer code
or hardware operation.

Never say never, as sometimes things change and old thinking doesn't apply.
SP2 is what it is and will never change. There will be and has been a few
POST SP2 updates. There have been new drivers. There have been new program
versions. But installing SP2 now or 12 months from now will be confronted by
the same issues.

Windows Automatic Update was never used for a Service Pack until XP SP2.
Windows users are pretty much stuck with SP1 or SP2.
Take your pick. Next windows is about 2006 and I would think it will be full
of bugs so make it 2007 SP1.

I would think that most XP SP1 computers will be pretty much dead by then
anyway.

8P

SJ
"Linda B" <Linda > wrote in message
...
> Wow, that was incredibly overstated... and incorrect. SP2 is a series of
> patches and fixes rolled into one, designed from the ground up to increase
> security in XP (most assuredly *not* a "completely new OS"). The 'pro' is
> increased security, the 'con' is that some programs utilize methodology
> that
> SP2 deems "unsecure" -- therefore these applications won't function
> properly.
> Most designers have already released or are working on patches for their
> programs to make them work with SP2.
>
> In the end, it's a matter of preference. If you already operate your
> computer in an intelligent manner (keep it up to date, firewalled, AV'd,
> etc.), then you probably don't need SP2. If you're Joe Q. User who
> doesn't
> know all the ins and outs of his machine, SP2 may serve you well.
> Personally
> I never install a major update until it's been out in the field for 6-12
> months, just to iron out all the bugs.
>
> Oh, and by the way: automatic update was available long before the
> release
> of SP2...
>
>
> "SlowJet" wrote:
>
>> Windows Xp with SP2 is a completely new OS.
>> Windows 2000 was based on NT (Not DOS or 9x)
>> Applications designed and coded for ancient OS's are only compatible up
>> to a
>> point where the external Application code can not function according to
>> the
>> new rules of the OS.
>>
>> Even as of yesterday, a post about he AGP driver, a VIA chipset board.
>> The
>> fact of the matter is that MS had to tighten down the AGP driver because
>> several Video card makers were going off on their own exploiting subtle
>> parts of the standards.
>> The new AGP driver 3.5 standard is now in affect.
>> Of course the reply to the OP was hey do this and that and then,, the old
>> way and it will not work any more.
>>
>> So that's one example a driver standard change and they have changed
>> several
>> times since 98, ME, and even 2000.
>>
>> Couple that with the fact that all DOS Windows, 9.x, and ME had no
>> security
>> in the OS and the file system only had basic permissions which could be
>> overridden by any user.
>>
>> The facts are that many complaining are trying to use XP SP2 as if it
>> were
>> still win 98 or me.
>> It is not and the majority of even new programs have not even yet been
>> written correctly for XP SP2 standards.
>>
>> This was not a whack for MS to make your life miserable, but rather a
>> long
>> over due fix that was making the lives of millions miserable due to
>> errors,
>> vulnerabilities, and lake of Internet security from the exponential
>> growth
>> in methods to disrupt and crash thousands of computers coming from all
>> over
>> the world.
>>
>> Everything has changed about computers for the SOHO user, corporations
>> and
>> government have been running with the newer model for years. Most of the
>> SOHO users will not notice a difference because they have newer computers
>> with newer applications and use the basic methods to compute (word
>> processor, e-mail, browser, chat, file download)
>>
>> The truth is that older hardware and older applications just are not
>> going
>> to keep up much longer even though there are several mechanisums in the
>> Windows OS to accommodate the older standards, and the OS can run
>> unsecured
>> and unprotected, it is a matter of time before the system will get hosed
>> up
>> and need to be re-installed. (Not to mention the spread of problems to
>> others.)
>>
>> But the Windows XP with SP2, a two-way firewall, and AV, and a Adware
>> blocker, is once again stable, reliable, and safe from the Internet, and
>> secure from hackers and overrides.(Nothing is secure from bad hardware.)
>>
>> If that's too good for someone then by all means do your own thing but in
>> the process it would benefit millions to state the truth of why you are
>> doing it, such as ignorance, jealousy, ego, self rightous indignation,
>> hatered for MS, etc) rather than saying the SP2 for XP sucks, broke my
>> old
>> hardware, crashed my 5 year program, stops the internet, can't write to
>> my 4
>> year old disk(that's way to small) that hasn't had more than 2 GB on it
>> ever, etc.
>>
>> The truth is the users just don't know what they are doing and some of
>> them
>> should have never arbitrary updated. However, there comes a point in a
>> culture when even the best intentions will still be ignored by the masses
>> (i.e. the America elections vs. the rest of the world's people) and thus
>> someone just has to say WHEN.
>>
>> WHEN was August 25th, 2004 and it was called Windows Automated Update.
>>
>> The past is on the shelf, are you staying there with it or moving on down
>> the road?
>> Choice is good, but there are also bad choices from which we learn life's
>> lessons. And there is a time to take out the garbage and buy new clothes.
>>
>> SJ
>> "keisuke" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >i have a router, a good virus program, and i don't even use the windows
>> > firewall, what is so good about sp2?? there seems to be alot of
>> > problems
>> > with
>> > compatibility with other programs, and i have a startup problem or a
>> > freeze
>> > every so often. most of my friends don't have sp2, and they don't seem
>> > to
>> > have any issues... what are the consequences of uninstalling it??
>>
>>
>>

[Dale]

EXCELLENT post!

"SlowJet" wrote:

> Windows Xp with SP2 is a completely new OS.
> Windows 2000 was based on NT (Not DOS or 9x)
> Applications designed and coded for ancient OS's are only compatible up to a
> point where the external Application code can not function according to the
> new rules of the OS.
>
> Even as of yesterday, a post about he AGP driver, a VIA chipset board. The
> fact of the matter is that MS had to tighten down the AGP driver because
> several Video card makers were going off on their own exploiting subtle
> parts of the standards.
> The new AGP driver 3.5 standard is now in affect.
> Of course the reply to the OP was hey do this and that and then,, the old
> way and it will not work any more.
>
> So that's one example a driver standard change and they have changed several
> times since 98, ME, and even 2000.
>
> Couple that with the fact that all DOS Windows, 9.x, and ME had no security
> in the OS and the file system only had basic permissions which could be
> overridden by any user.
>
> The facts are that many complaining are trying to use XP SP2 as if it were
> still win 98 or me.
> It is not and the majority of even new programs have not even yet been
> written correctly for XP SP2 standards.
>
> This was not a whack for MS to make your life miserable, but rather a long
> over due fix that was making the lives of millions miserable due to errors,
> vulnerabilities, and lake of Internet security from the exponential growth
> in methods to disrupt and crash thousands of computers coming from all over
> the world.
>
> Everything has changed about computers for the SOHO user, corporations and
> government have been running with the newer model for years. Most of the
> SOHO users will not notice a difference because they have newer computers
> with newer applications and use the basic methods to compute (word
> processor, e-mail, browser, chat, file download)
>
> The truth is that older hardware and older applications just are not going
> to keep up much longer even though there are several mechanisums in the
> Windows OS to accommodate the older standards, and the OS can run unsecured
> and unprotected, it is a matter of time before the system will get hosed up
> and need to be re-installed. (Not to mention the spread of problems to
> others.)
>
> But the Windows XP with SP2, a two-way firewall, and AV, and a Adware
> blocker, is once again stable, reliable, and safe from the Internet, and
> secure from hackers and overrides.(Nothing is secure from bad hardware.)
>
> If that's too good for someone then by all means do your own thing but in
> the process it would benefit millions to state the truth of why you are
> doing it, such as ignorance, jealousy, ego, self rightous indignation,
> hatered for MS, etc) rather than saying the SP2 for XP sucks, broke my old
> hardware, crashed my 5 year program, stops the internet, can't write to my 4
> year old disk(that's way to small) that hasn't had more than 2 GB on it
> ever, etc.
>
> The truth is the users just don't know what they are doing and some of them
> should have never arbitrary updated. However, there comes a point in a
> culture when even the best intentions will still be ignored by the masses
> (i.e. the America elections vs. the rest of the world's people) and thus
> someone just has to say WHEN.
>
> WHEN was August 25th, 2004 and it was called Windows Automated Update.
>
> The past is on the shelf, are you staying there with it or moving on down
> the road?
> Choice is good, but there are also bad choices from which we learn life's
> lessons. And there is a time to take out the garbage and buy new clothes.
>
> SJ
> "keisuke" > wrote in message
> ...
> >i have a router, a good virus program, and i don't even use the windows
> > firewall, what is so good about sp2?? there seems to be alot of problems
> > with
> > compatibility with other programs, and i have a startup problem or a
> > freeze
> > every so often. most of my friends don't have sp2, and they don't seem to
> > have any issues... what are the consequences of uninstalling it??
>
>
>

[Testy]

You are kidding , right? It is filled with incorrect information!
\
\Testy

"Dale" > wrote in message
...
> EXCELLENT post!
>
> "SlowJet" wrote:
>
>> Windows Xp with SP2 is a completely new OS.
>> Windows 2000 was based on NT (Not DOS or 9x)
>> Applications designed and coded for ancient OS's are only compatible up
>> to a
>> point where the external Application code can not function according to
>> the
>> new rules of the OS.
>>
>> Even as of yesterday, a post about he AGP driver, a VIA chipset board.
>> The
>> fact of the matter is that MS had to tighten down the AGP driver because
>> several Video card makers were going off on their own exploiting subtle
>> parts of the standards.
>> The new AGP driver 3.5 standard is now in affect.
>> Of course the reply to the OP was hey do this and that and then,, the old
>> way and it will not work any more.
>>
>> So that's one example a driver standard change and they have changed
>> several
>> times since 98, ME, and even 2000.
>>
>> Couple that with the fact that all DOS Windows, 9.x, and ME had no
>> security
>> in the OS and the file system only had basic permissions which could be
>> overridden by any user.
>>
>> The facts are that many complaining are trying to use XP SP2 as if it
>> were
>> still win 98 or me.
>> It is not and the majority of even new programs have not even yet been
>> written correctly for XP SP2 standards.
>>
>> This was not a whack for MS to make your life miserable, but rather a
>> long
>> over due fix that was making the lives of millions miserable due to
>> errors,
>> vulnerabilities, and lake of Internet security from the exponential
>> growth
>> in methods to disrupt and crash thousands of computers coming from all
>> over
>> the world.
>>
>> Everything has changed about computers for the SOHO user, corporations
>> and
>> government have been running with the newer model for years. Most of the
>> SOHO users will not notice a difference because they have newer computers
>> with newer applications and use the basic methods to compute (word
>> processor, e-mail, browser, chat, file download)
>>
>> The truth is that older hardware and older applications just are not
>> going
>> to keep up much longer even though there are several mechanisums in the
>> Windows OS to accommodate the older standards, and the OS can run
>> unsecured
>> and unprotected, it is a matter of time before the system will get hosed
>> up
>> and need to be re-installed. (Not to mention the spread of problems to
>> others.)
>>
>> But the Windows XP with SP2, a two-way firewall, and AV, and a Adware
>> blocker, is once again stable, reliable, and safe from the Internet, and
>> secure from hackers and overrides.(Nothing is secure from bad hardware.)
>>
>> If that's too good for someone then by all means do your own thing but in
>> the process it would benefit millions to state the truth of why you are
>> doing it, such as ignorance, jealousy, ego, self rightous indignation,
>> hatered for MS, etc) rather than saying the SP2 for XP sucks, broke my
>> old
>> hardware, crashed my 5 year program, stops the internet, can't write to
>> my 4
>> year old disk(that's way to small) that hasn't had more than 2 GB on it
>> ever, etc.
>>
>> The truth is the users just don't know what they are doing and some of
>> them
>> should have never arbitrary updated. However, there comes a point in a
>> culture when even the best intentions will still be ignored by the masses
>> (i.e. the America elections vs. the rest of the world's people) and thus
>> someone just has to say WHEN.
>>
>> WHEN was August 25th, 2004 and it was called Windows Automated Update.
>>
>> The past is on the shelf, are you staying there with it or moving on down
>> the road?
>> Choice is good, but there are also bad choices from which we learn life's
>> lessons. And there is a time to take out the garbage and buy new clothes.
>>
>> SJ
>> "keisuke" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >i have a router, a good virus program, and i don't even use the windows
>> > firewall, what is so good about sp2?? there seems to be alot of
>> > problems
>> > with
>> > compatibility with other programs, and i have a startup problem or a
>> > freeze
>> > every so often. most of my friends don't have sp2, and they don't seem
>> > to
>> > have any issues... what are the consequences of uninstalling it??
>>
>>
>>

[Yves Leclerc]

Yeah! SP2 is still not a completely new OS! I would say it is Windows 2000
with all the updates and security patches that Microsoft NEVER BOTHERED to
put in, unless court ordered.


"Testy" > wrote in message
. ..
> You are kidding , right? It is filled with incorrect information!
> \
> \Testy
>
> "Dale" > wrote in message
> ...
>> EXCELLENT post!
>>
>> "SlowJet" wrote:
>>
>>> Windows Xp with SP2 is a completely new OS.
>>> Windows 2000 was based on NT (Not DOS or 9x)
>>> Applications designed and coded for ancient OS's are only compatible up
>>> to a
>>> point where the external Application code can not function according to
>>> the
>>> new rules of the OS.
>>>
>>> Even as of yesterday, a post about he AGP driver, a VIA chipset board.
>>> The
>>> fact of the matter is that MS had to tighten down the AGP driver because
>>> several Video card makers were going off on their own exploiting subtle
>>> parts of the standards.
>>> The new AGP driver 3.5 standard is now in affect.
>>> Of course the reply to the OP was hey do this and that and then,, the
>>> old
>>> way and it will not work any more.
>>>
>>> So that's one example a driver standard change and they have changed
>>> several
>>> times since 98, ME, and even 2000.
>>>
>>> Couple that with the fact that all DOS Windows, 9.x, and ME had no
>>> security
>>> in the OS and the file system only had basic permissions which could be
>>> overridden by any user.
>>>
>>> The facts are that many complaining are trying to use XP SP2 as if it
>>> were
>>> still win 98 or me.
>>> It is not and the majority of even new programs have not even yet been
>>> written correctly for XP SP2 standards.
>>>
>>> This was not a whack for MS to make your life miserable, but rather a
>>> long
>>> over due fix that was making the lives of millions miserable due to
>>> errors,
>>> vulnerabilities, and lake of Internet security from the exponential
>>> growth
>>> in methods to disrupt and crash thousands of computers coming from all
>>> over
>>> the world.
>>>
>>> Everything has changed about computers for the SOHO user, corporations
>>> and
>>> government have been running with the newer model for years. Most of the
>>> SOHO users will not notice a difference because they have newer
>>> computers
>>> with newer applications and use the basic methods to compute (word
>>> processor, e-mail, browser, chat, file download)
>>>
>>> The truth is that older hardware and older applications just are not
>>> going
>>> to keep up much longer even though there are several mechanisums in the
>>> Windows OS to accommodate the older standards, and the OS can run
>>> unsecured
>>> and unprotected, it is a matter of time before the system will get hosed
>>> up
>>> and need to be re-installed. (Not to mention the spread of problems to
>>> others.)
>>>
>>> But the Windows XP with SP2, a two-way firewall, and AV, and a Adware
>>> blocker, is once again stable, reliable, and safe from the Internet, and
>>> secure from hackers and overrides.(Nothing is secure from bad hardware.)
>>>
>>> If that's too good for someone then by all means do your own thing but
>>> in
>>> the process it would benefit millions to state the truth of why you are
>>> doing it, such as ignorance, jealousy, ego, self rightous indignation,
>>> hatered for MS, etc) rather than saying the SP2 for XP sucks, broke my
>>> old
>>> hardware, crashed my 5 year program, stops the internet, can't write to
>>> my 4
>>> year old disk(that's way to small) that hasn't had more than 2 GB on it
>>> ever, etc.
>>>
>>> The truth is the users just don't know what they are doing and some of
>>> them
>>> should have never arbitrary updated. However, there comes a point in a
>>> culture when even the best intentions will still be ignored by the
>>> masses
>>> (i.e. the America elections vs. the rest of the world's people) and thus
>>> someone just has to say WHEN.
>>>
>>> WHEN was August 25th, 2004 and it was called Windows Automated Update.
>>>
>>> The past is on the shelf, are you staying there with it or moving on
>>> down
>>> the road?
>>> Choice is good, but there are also bad choices from which we learn
>>> life's
>>> lessons. And there is a time to take out the garbage and buy new
>>> clothes.
>>>
>>> SJ
>>> "keisuke" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> >i have a router, a good virus program, and i don't even use the windows
>>> > firewall, what is so good about sp2?? there seems to be alot of
>>> > problems
>>> > with
>>> > compatibility with other programs, and i have a startup problem or a
>>> > freeze
>>> > every so often. most of my friends don't have sp2, and they don't
>>> > seem to
>>> > have any issues... what are the consequences of uninstalling it??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

[keisuke]

well i luved linda b's idea. i thought they were the best...but slowjet, im
sorry to say but do you worship microsoft or something?? by the way, my
computer is brand new with a 250gig hd and its god pretty good stuff; i paid
over a 1000$. how can sp2 be another os? and thereslike 1 out of a million
programs that have fixed their bugs in their program. i think it'll be smart
to install sp2 in about 6 months...

"keisuke" wrote:

> i have a router, a good virus program, and i don't even use the windows
> firewall, what is so good about sp2?? there seems to be alot of problems with
> compatibility with other programs, and i have a startup problem or a freeze
> every so often. most of my friends don't have sp2, and they don't seem to
> have any issues... what are the consequences of uninstalling it??

[keisuke]

but anyway, regardless, im thankful for all the opinions that everyone gave.
thanks very much!!

"keisuke" wrote:

> i have a router, a good virus program, and i don't even use the windows
> firewall, what is so good about sp2?? there seems to be alot of problems with
> compatibility with other programs, and i have a startup problem or a freeze
> every so often. most of my friends don't have sp2, and they don't seem to
> have any issues... what are the consequences of uninstalling it??

[Alias]

"keisuke" > wrote

: well i luved linda b's idea. i thought they were the best...but slowjet,
im
: sorry to say but do you worship microsoft or something?? by the way, my
: computer is brand new with a 250gig hd and its god pretty good stuff; i
paid
: over a 1000$. how can sp2 be another os? and thereslike 1 out of a
million
: programs that have fixed their bugs in their program. i think it'll be
smart
: to install sp2 in about 6 months...

SP 2 will not change one iota in 6 months. If you want a problem free
installation of SP 2, format and do a clean install of XP, clean
up/chckdsk/defrag and immediately install SP2 from the CD and then clean
up/chckdsk/defrag again. Then install your programs and do a clean
up/chckdsk/defrag after each install of large programs such as Office and
after two or three small programs such as AdAware. Then install your
devices. I have done this on many computers and, so far, every single one of
them is humming like a bee.

Alias
:
: "keisuke" wrote:
:
: > i have a router, a good virus program, and i don't even use the windows
: > firewall, what is so good about sp2?? there seems to be alot of problems
with
: > compatibility with other programs, and i have a startup problem or a
freeze
: > every so often. most of my friends don't have sp2, and they don't seem
to
: > have any issues... what are the consequences of uninstalling it??