WM5 available features when running on W2K

[Chris]

At TechEd 2003, a slide in "MSG340 - Exchange IM Migration To Microsoft
Office Real-Time Communications Server 2003" documents that "Whiteboard" and
"App Sharing" work on both Windows 2000 and Windows XP platforms with
Windows Messenger 5.0. Isn't that erroneous? I thought Whiteboard and App
Sharing were features exclusive to Windows XP?

That same slide lists Voice, Presence, File Transfer, Acoustic Echo
Cancellation, and Video as features of WM5. It says that Acoustic Echo
Cancellation and Video are *not* compatible with Windows 2000. Is that
correct? I thought video was do-able with Windows 2000 and WM5.

What is Acoustic Echo Cancellation anyway?

[Jonathan Kay [MVP]]

Hi Chris,

They are exclusive to Windows XP -- to a point. A Windows Messenger 5 user on either OS can
initiate Netmeeting (yes I know you know how to do that via registry, and the issue you found
with regards to policies) and then use the Whiteboard/Application Sharing feature with
Netmeeting itself (they are exactly the same).

Video isn't doable unfortunately -- it's limited to Windows XP only.

Acoustic Echo Cancellation is a feature which "cancels" the echo of yourself that you hear
from the other side while in a voice conversation. Although in corporate scenarios, it's not
even that noticeable (due to the speed of the connection), but on the general Internet, where
it can take a noticeable second or two for your audio to reach the destination, you can hear
the "echo" of exactly what you say as it plays on your contacts' speakers. The cancellation
feature "remembers" what you just sent and then "cancels" it if it comes back (that's the
concise version). Of course, if headsets/headphones are being used, this isn't an issue, but
most people typically use Messenger/VoIP as a speakerphone, where this problem resides.
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Microsoft MVP - Windows Messenger/MSN Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com


"Chris" > wrote in message
...
> At TechEd 2003, a slide in "MSG340 - Exchange IM Migration To Microsoft
> Office Real-Time Communications Server 2003" documents that "Whiteboard" and
> "App Sharing" work on both Windows 2000 and Windows XP platforms with
> Windows Messenger 5.0. Isn't that erroneous? I thought Whiteboard and App
> Sharing were features exclusive to Windows XP?
>
> That same slide lists Voice, Presence, File Transfer, Acoustic Echo
> Cancellation, and Video as features of WM5. It says that Acoustic Echo
> Cancellation and Video are *not* compatible with Windows 2000. Is that
> correct? I thought video was do-able with Windows 2000 and WM5.
>
> What is Acoustic Echo Cancellation anyway?
>
>

[Jonathan Kay [MVP]]

Hi Chris,

Sorry, I've been corrected. Whiteboard/Application Sharing *IS* available in Windows 2000,
but you need to have Service Pack 4 installed.
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Microsoft MVP - Windows Messenger/MSN Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com

"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Chris,
>
> They are exclusive to Windows XP -- to a point. A Windows Messenger 5 user on either OS
can
> initiate Netmeeting (yes I know you know how to do that via registry, and the issue you
found
> with regards to policies) and then use the Whiteboard/Application Sharing feature with
> Netmeeting itself (they are exactly the same).
>
> Video isn't doable unfortunately -- it's limited to Windows XP only.
>
> Acoustic Echo Cancellation is a feature which "cancels" the echo of yourself that you hear
> from the other side while in a voice conversation. Although in corporate scenarios, it's
not
> even that noticeable (due to the speed of the connection), but on the general Internet,
where
> it can take a noticeable second or two for your audio to reach the destination, you can
hear
> the "echo" of exactly what you say as it plays on your contacts' speakers. The
cancellation
> feature "remembers" what you just sent and then "cancels" it if it comes back (that's the
> concise version). Of course, if headsets/headphones are being used, this isn't an issue,
but
> most people typically use Messenger/VoIP as a speakerphone, where this problem resides.
> ____________________________________________
> Jonathan Kay
> Microsoft MVP - Windows Messenger/MSN Messenger
> Associate Expert
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>
>
> "Chris" > wrote in message
> ...
> > At TechEd 2003, a slide in "MSG340 - Exchange IM Migration To Microsoft
> > Office Real-Time Communications Server 2003" documents that "Whiteboard" and
> > "App Sharing" work on both Windows 2000 and Windows XP platforms with
> > Windows Messenger 5.0. Isn't that erroneous? I thought Whiteboard and App
> > Sharing were features exclusive to Windows XP?
> >
> > That same slide lists Voice, Presence, File Transfer, Acoustic Echo
> > Cancellation, and Video as features of WM5. It says that Acoustic Echo
> > Cancellation and Video are *not* compatible with Windows 2000. Is that
> > correct? I thought video was do-able with Windows 2000 and WM5.
> >
> > What is Acoustic Echo Cancellation anyway?
> >
> >
>
>

[Chris]

Interesting; thanks. NetMeeting isn't included with WXP, is it? So isn't
Whiteboard/Application Sharing a different technology in WXP? If so, how
does W2K SP4 initiate Whiteboard/Application Sharing? Through something
other than NetMeeting?

Or is it just that Whiteboard and Application Sharing become visible on the
WM5 menu for W2K SP4?

"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Chris,
>
> Sorry, I've been corrected. Whiteboard/Application Sharing *IS* available
in Windows 2000,
> but you need to have Service Pack 4 installed.
> ____________________________________________
> Jonathan Kay
> Microsoft MVP - Windows Messenger/MSN Messenger
> Associate Expert
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>
> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi Chris,
> >
> > They are exclusive to Windows XP -- to a point. A Windows Messenger 5
user on either OS
> can
> > initiate Netmeeting (yes I know you know how to do that via registry,
and the issue you
> found
> > with regards to policies) and then use the Whiteboard/Application
Sharing feature with
> > Netmeeting itself (they are exactly the same).
> >
> > Video isn't doable unfortunately -- it's limited to Windows XP only.
> >
> > Acoustic Echo Cancellation is a feature which "cancels" the echo of
yourself that you hear
> > from the other side while in a voice conversation. Although in
corporate scenarios, it's
> not
> > even that noticeable (due to the speed of the connection), but on the
general Internet,
> where
> > it can take a noticeable second or two for your audio to reach the
destination, you can
> hear
> > the "echo" of exactly what you say as it plays on your contacts'
speakers. The
> cancellation
> > feature "remembers" what you just sent and then "cancels" it if it comes
back (that's the
> > concise version). Of course, if headsets/headphones are being used,
this isn't an issue,
> but
> > most people typically use Messenger/VoIP as a speakerphone, where this
problem resides.
> > ____________________________________________
> > Jonathan Kay
> > Microsoft MVP - Windows Messenger/MSN Messenger
> > Associate Expert
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >
> >
> > "Chris" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > At TechEd 2003, a slide in "MSG340 - Exchange IM Migration To
Microsoft
> > > Office Real-Time Communications Server 2003" documents that
"Whiteboard" and
> > > "App Sharing" work on both Windows 2000 and Windows XP platforms with
> > > Windows Messenger 5.0. Isn't that erroneous? I thought Whiteboard and
App
> > > Sharing were features exclusive to Windows XP?
> > >
> > > That same slide lists Voice, Presence, File Transfer, Acoustic Echo
> > > Cancellation, and Video as features of WM5. It says that Acoustic Echo
> > > Cancellation and Video are *not* compatible with Windows 2000. Is that
> > > correct? I thought video was do-able with Windows 2000 and WM5.
> > >
> > > What is Acoustic Echo Cancellation anyway?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Jonathan Kay [MVP]]

Hi Chris,

Netmeeting is in XP (just doesn't have an icon), it's startable by clicking Start, then Run,
entering conf and clicking OK.

Exactly, the options "appear" just like under XP when Win2k SP4 is installed.
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Microsoft MVP - Windows Messenger/MSN Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com

"Chris" > wrote in message
...
> Interesting; thanks. NetMeeting isn't included with WXP, is it? So isn't
> Whiteboard/Application Sharing a different technology in WXP? If so, how
> does W2K SP4 initiate Whiteboard/Application Sharing? Through something
> other than NetMeeting?
>
> Or is it just that Whiteboard and Application Sharing become visible on the
> WM5 menu for W2K SP4?
>
> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi Chris,
> >
> > Sorry, I've been corrected. Whiteboard/Application Sharing *IS* available
> in Windows 2000,
> > but you need to have Service Pack 4 installed.
> > ____________________________________________
> > Jonathan Kay
> > Microsoft MVP - Windows Messenger/MSN Messenger
> > Associate Expert
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >
> > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Hi Chris,
> > >
> > > They are exclusive to Windows XP -- to a point. A Windows Messenger 5
> user on either OS
> > can
> > > initiate Netmeeting (yes I know you know how to do that via registry,
> and the issue you
> > found
> > > with regards to policies) and then use the Whiteboard/Application
> Sharing feature with
> > > Netmeeting itself (they are exactly the same).
> > >
> > > Video isn't doable unfortunately -- it's limited to Windows XP only.
> > >
> > > Acoustic Echo Cancellation is a feature which "cancels" the echo of
> yourself that you hear
> > > from the other side while in a voice conversation. Although in
> corporate scenarios, it's
> > not
> > > even that noticeable (due to the speed of the connection), but on the
> general Internet,
> > where
> > > it can take a noticeable second or two for your audio to reach the
> destination, you can
> > hear
> > > the "echo" of exactly what you say as it plays on your contacts'
> speakers. The
> > cancellation
> > > feature "remembers" what you just sent and then "cancels" it if it comes
> back (that's the
> > > concise version). Of course, if headsets/headphones are being used,
> this isn't an issue,
> > but
> > > most people typically use Messenger/VoIP as a speakerphone, where this
> problem resides.
> > > ____________________________________________
> > > Jonathan Kay
> > > Microsoft MVP - Windows Messenger/MSN Messenger
> > > Associate Expert
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> > >
> > >
> > > "Chris" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > At TechEd 2003, a slide in "MSG340 - Exchange IM Migration To
> Microsoft
> > > > Office Real-Time Communications Server 2003" documents that
> "Whiteboard" and
> > > > "App Sharing" work on both Windows 2000 and Windows XP platforms with
> > > > Windows Messenger 5.0. Isn't that erroneous? I thought Whiteboard and
> App
> > > > Sharing were features exclusive to Windows XP?
> > > >
> > > > That same slide lists Voice, Presence, File Transfer, Acoustic Echo
> > > > Cancellation, and Video as features of WM5. It says that Acoustic Echo
> > > > Cancellation and Video are *not* compatible with Windows 2000. Is that
> > > > correct? I thought video was do-able with Windows 2000 and WM5.
> > > >
> > > > What is Acoustic Echo Cancellation anyway?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Chris]

So IOW, the DisableCollaborationApps setting becomes observed in Win2K SP4?

This probably has repercussions, as the visibility of NetMeeting links
likely become dependent upon the DisableCollaborationApps setting; i.e., if
collaborative apps are disabled, the NetMeeting links disappear--just like
WinXP. This is an important support issue for mixed OS environments that
rely upon NetMeeting.


"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Chris,
>
> Netmeeting is in XP (just doesn't have an icon), it's startable by
clicking Start, then Run,
> entering conf and clicking OK.
>
> Exactly, the options "appear" just like under XP when Win2k SP4 is
installed.
> ____________________________________________
> Jonathan Kay
> Microsoft MVP - Windows Messenger/MSN Messenger
> Associate Expert
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>
> "Chris" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Interesting; thanks. NetMeeting isn't included with WXP, is it? So isn't
> > Whiteboard/Application Sharing a different technology in WXP? If so, how
> > does W2K SP4 initiate Whiteboard/Application Sharing? Through something
> > other than NetMeeting?
> >
> > Or is it just that Whiteboard and Application Sharing become visible on
the
> > WM5 menu for W2K SP4?
> >
> > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Hi Chris,
> > >
> > > Sorry, I've been corrected. Whiteboard/Application Sharing *IS*
available
> > in Windows 2000,
> > > but you need to have Service Pack 4 installed.
> > > ____________________________________________
> > > Jonathan Kay
> > > Microsoft MVP - Windows Messenger/MSN Messenger
> > > Associate Expert
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> > >
> > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Hi Chris,
> > > >
> > > > They are exclusive to Windows XP -- to a point. A Windows Messenger
5
> > user on either OS
> > > can
> > > > initiate Netmeeting (yes I know you know how to do that via
registry,
> > and the issue you
> > > found
> > > > with regards to policies) and then use the Whiteboard/Application
> > Sharing feature with
> > > > Netmeeting itself (they are exactly the same).
> > > >
> > > > Video isn't doable unfortunately -- it's limited to Windows XP only.
> > > >
> > > > Acoustic Echo Cancellation is a feature which "cancels" the echo of
> > yourself that you hear
> > > > from the other side while in a voice conversation. Although in
> > corporate scenarios, it's
> > > not
> > > > even that noticeable (due to the speed of the connection), but on
the
> > general Internet,
> > > where
> > > > it can take a noticeable second or two for your audio to reach the
> > destination, you can
> > > hear
> > > > the "echo" of exactly what you say as it plays on your contacts'
> > speakers. The
> > > cancellation
> > > > feature "remembers" what you just sent and then "cancels" it if it
comes
> > back (that's the
> > > > concise version). Of course, if headsets/headphones are being used,
> > this isn't an issue,
> > > but
> > > > most people typically use Messenger/VoIP as a speakerphone, where
this
> > problem resides.
> > > > ____________________________________________
> > > > Jonathan Kay
> > > > Microsoft MVP - Windows Messenger/MSN Messenger
> > > > Associate Expert
> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > > > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Chris" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > At TechEd 2003, a slide in "MSG340 - Exchange IM Migration To
> > Microsoft
> > > > > Office Real-Time Communications Server 2003" documents that
> > "Whiteboard" and
> > > > > "App Sharing" work on both Windows 2000 and Windows XP platforms
with
> > > > > Windows Messenger 5.0. Isn't that erroneous? I thought Whiteboard
and
> > App
> > > > > Sharing were features exclusive to Windows XP?
> > > > >
> > > > > That same slide lists Voice, Presence, File Transfer, Acoustic
Echo
> > > > > Cancellation, and Video as features of WM5. It says that Acoustic
Echo
> > > > > Cancellation and Video are *not* compatible with Windows 2000. Is
that
> > > > > correct? I thought video was do-able with Windows 2000 and WM5.
> > > > >
> > > > > What is Acoustic Echo Cancellation anyway?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Chris]

Let me correct you before you confirm my last statement. ;^)

It appears that Win2K continues to display the NetMeeting links even if
DisableCollaborationApps is enabled. So in Win2K, NetMeeting is not
considered a 'collaborative application', and it's visibility is solely
dependent upon the DisableNM setting. This differs from WinXP.

"Chris" > wrote in message
...
> So IOW, the DisableCollaborationApps setting becomes observed in Win2K
SP4?
>
> This probably has repercussions, as the visibility of NetMeeting links
> likely become dependent upon the DisableCollaborationApps setting; i.e.,
if
> collaborative apps are disabled, the NetMeeting links disappear--just like
> WinXP. This is an important support issue for mixed OS environments that
> rely upon NetMeeting.
>
>
> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi Chris,
> >
> > Netmeeting is in XP (just doesn't have an icon), it's startable by
> clicking Start, then Run,
> > entering conf and clicking OK.
> >
> > Exactly, the options "appear" just like under XP when Win2k SP4 is
> installed.
> > ____________________________________________
> > Jonathan Kay
> > Microsoft MVP - Windows Messenger/MSN Messenger
> > Associate Expert
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >
> > "Chris" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Interesting; thanks. NetMeeting isn't included with WXP, is it? So
isn't
> > > Whiteboard/Application Sharing a different technology in WXP? If so,
how
> > > does W2K SP4 initiate Whiteboard/Application Sharing? Through
something
> > > other than NetMeeting?
> > >
> > > Or is it just that Whiteboard and Application Sharing become visible
on
> the
> > > WM5 menu for W2K SP4?
> > >
> > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Hi Chris,
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, I've been corrected. Whiteboard/Application Sharing *IS*
> available
> > > in Windows 2000,
> > > > but you need to have Service Pack 4 installed.
> > > > ____________________________________________
> > > > Jonathan Kay
> > > > Microsoft MVP - Windows Messenger/MSN Messenger
> > > > Associate Expert
> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > > > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> > > >
> > > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > wrote in
message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Hi Chris,
> > > > >
> > > > > They are exclusive to Windows XP -- to a point. A Windows
Messenger
> 5
> > > user on either OS
> > > > can
> > > > > initiate Netmeeting (yes I know you know how to do that via
> registry,
> > > and the issue you
> > > > found
> > > > > with regards to policies) and then use the Whiteboard/Application
> > > Sharing feature with
> > > > > Netmeeting itself (they are exactly the same).
> > > > >
> > > > > Video isn't doable unfortunately -- it's limited to Windows XP
only.
> > > > >
> > > > > Acoustic Echo Cancellation is a feature which "cancels" the echo
of
> > > yourself that you hear
> > > > > from the other side while in a voice conversation. Although in
> > > corporate scenarios, it's
> > > > not
> > > > > even that noticeable (due to the speed of the connection), but on
> the
> > > general Internet,
> > > > where
> > > > > it can take a noticeable second or two for your audio to reach the
> > > destination, you can
> > > > hear
> > > > > the "echo" of exactly what you say as it plays on your contacts'
> > > speakers. The
> > > > cancellation
> > > > > feature "remembers" what you just sent and then "cancels" it if it
> comes
> > > back (that's the
> > > > > concise version). Of course, if headsets/headphones are being
used,
> > > this isn't an issue,
> > > > but
> > > > > most people typically use Messenger/VoIP as a speakerphone, where
> this
> > > problem resides.
> > > > > ____________________________________________
> > > > > Jonathan Kay
> > > > > Microsoft MVP - Windows Messenger/MSN Messenger
> > > > > Associate Expert
> > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > > > > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Chris" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > At TechEd 2003, a slide in "MSG340 - Exchange IM Migration To
> > > Microsoft
> > > > > > Office Real-Time Communications Server 2003" documents that
> > > "Whiteboard" and
> > > > > > "App Sharing" work on both Windows 2000 and Windows XP platforms
> with
> > > > > > Windows Messenger 5.0. Isn't that erroneous? I thought
Whiteboard
> and
> > > App
> > > > > > Sharing were features exclusive to Windows XP?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That same slide lists Voice, Presence, File Transfer, Acoustic
> Echo
> > > > > > Cancellation, and Video as features of WM5. It says that
Acoustic
> Echo
> > > > > > Cancellation and Video are *not* compatible with Windows 2000.
Is
> that
> > > > > > correct? I thought video was do-able with Windows 2000 and WM5.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What is Acoustic Echo Cancellation anyway?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>