Upgrading a P3 to a P4 - but the HD won't start up... Is this an SP2 Problem???

[Starz_Kid]

Hello Group, I'm rebuilding a friend's computer - it has Win-XP - Home
edition (upgrade). And he had installed all the Win updates including SP2.

Old computer was a Pentium 3 - 800 mhz on a SuperMicro motherboard.

New computer is a Pentium 4 - 1.2 Ghz on a SuperMicro motherboard p4sba+

Put the new computer together and the HD won't start up...!!!!!

removed all components but the HD (60gb western digital) and graphics card
and floppy.
Computer starts up - post goes a.o.k. The screen shows the HDD being
recognized, also the RAm is recognized and correct. All goes well during
the startup, but then I'm presented with the MS Win screen that says Windows
did not start successfully...etc... (lists other win info) then... Offers
Safe mode - Safe mode with networking - Safe mode with command prompt as
start up selections along with Start Win Normally - - then the screen offers
MS advice to choose "start win normally"
There's also a count down timer....!

NO MATTER which one I select - the screen freezes...!!!!?!?!?!?

I've tried different graphics cards, different motherboards, etc...!

Is there something in Win SP2 that is preventing the drive from starting
up?????

If this IS AN SP2 Problem - then how do I upgrade the friend's computer???

I'm using all of the same components, just a different Motherboard, ram and
cpu, which should be O.K. to do with the Win XP (upgrade that he has?????)

I mean... old motherboards do wear out...

Starz_Kid...

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Changing a Motherboard or Moving a Hard Drive with XP Installed
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html

How to Perform a Windows XP Repair Install
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

[Courtesy of MS-MVP Michael Stevens]

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx

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"Starz_Kid" wrote:

| Hello Group, I'm rebuilding a friend's computer - it has Win-XP - Home
| edition (upgrade). And he had installed all the Win updates including SP2.
|
| Old computer was a Pentium 3 - 800 mhz on a SuperMicro motherboard.
|
| New computer is a Pentium 4 - 1.2 Ghz on a SuperMicro motherboard p4sba+
|
| Put the new computer together and the HD won't start up...!!!!!
|
| removed all components but the HD (60gb western digital) and graphics card
| and floppy.
| Computer starts up - post goes a.o.k. The screen shows the HDD being
| recognized, also the RAm is recognized and correct. All goes well during
| the startup, but then I'm presented with the MS Win screen that says Windows
| did not start successfully...etc... (lists other win info) then... Offers
| Safe mode - Safe mode with networking - Safe mode with command prompt as
| start up selections along with Start Win Normally - - then the screen offers
| MS advice to choose "start win normally"
| There's also a count down timer....!
|
| NO MATTER which one I select - the screen freezes...!!!!?!?!?!?
|
| I've tried different graphics cards, different motherboards, etc...!
|
| Is there something in Win SP2 that is preventing the drive from starting
| up?????
|
| If this IS AN SP2 Problem - then how do I upgrade the friend's computer???
|
| I'm using all of the same components, just a different Motherboard, ram and
| cpu, which should be O.K. to do with the Win XP (upgrade that he has?????)
|
| I mean... old motherboards do wear out...
|
| Starz_Kid...

[Sleepless in Seattle]

Repair install http://michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm.

--
Jonah
"Starz_Kid" > wrote in message
...
> Hello Group, I'm rebuilding a friend's computer - it has Win-XP - Home
> edition (upgrade). And he had installed all the Win updates including SP2.
>
> Old computer was a Pentium 3 - 800 mhz on a SuperMicro motherboard.
>
> New computer is a Pentium 4 - 1.2 Ghz on a SuperMicro motherboard p4sba+
>
> Put the new computer together and the HD won't start up...!!!!!
>
> removed all components but the HD (60gb western digital) and graphics card
> and floppy.
> Computer starts up - post goes a.o.k. The screen shows the HDD being
> recognized, also the RAm is recognized and correct. All goes well during
> the startup, but then I'm presented with the MS Win screen that says
> Windows
> did not start successfully...etc... (lists other win info) then... Offers
> Safe mode - Safe mode with networking - Safe mode with command prompt as
> start up selections along with Start Win Normally - - then the screen
> offers
> MS advice to choose "start win normally"
> There's also a count down timer....!
>
> NO MATTER which one I select - the screen freezes...!!!!?!?!?!?
>
> I've tried different graphics cards, different motherboards, etc...!
>
> Is there something in Win SP2 that is preventing the drive from starting
> up?????
>
> If this IS AN SP2 Problem - then how do I upgrade the friend's computer???
>
> I'm using all of the same components, just a different Motherboard, ram
> and
> cpu, which should be O.K. to do with the Win XP (upgrade that he has?????)
>
> I mean... old motherboards do wear out...
>
> Starz_Kid...
>
>
>
>

[GTS]

You need to do a Windows repair reinstallation to rebuilt the HAL (hardware
abstraction layer). This is usually required when changing motherboards
unless the new motherboard and CPU is identical or nearly so. If done
correctly you won't lose any data, but will have to reinstall Windows
updates.
--

"Starz_Kid" > wrote in message
...
> Hello Group, I'm rebuilding a friend's computer - it has Win-XP - Home
> edition (upgrade). And he had installed all the Win updates including SP2.
>
> Old computer was a Pentium 3 - 800 mhz on a SuperMicro motherboard.
>
> New computer is a Pentium 4 - 1.2 Ghz on a SuperMicro motherboard p4sba+
>
> Put the new computer together and the HD won't start up...!!!!!
>
> removed all components but the HD (60gb western digital) and graphics card
> and floppy.
> Computer starts up - post goes a.o.k. The screen shows the HDD being
> recognized, also the RAm is recognized and correct. All goes well during
> the startup, but then I'm presented with the MS Win screen that says
> Windows
> did not start successfully...etc... (lists other win info) then... Offers
> Safe mode - Safe mode with networking - Safe mode with command prompt as
> start up selections along with Start Win Normally - - then the screen
> offers
> MS advice to choose "start win normally"
> There's also a count down timer....!
>
> NO MATTER which one I select - the screen freezes...!!!!?!?!?!?
>
> I've tried different graphics cards, different motherboards, etc...!
>
> Is there something in Win SP2 that is preventing the drive from starting
> up?????
>
> If this IS AN SP2 Problem - then how do I upgrade the friend's computer???
>
> I'm using all of the same components, just a different Motherboard, ram
> and
> cpu, which should be O.K. to do with the Win XP (upgrade that he has?????)
>
> I mean... old motherboards do wear out...
>
> Starz_Kid...
>
>
>
>

[R. C. White]

Hi, Kid.

One of the first things WinXP Setup does is detect the hardware environment
into which it is being installed; then it customizes YOUR copy of WinXP to
fit that system. When that system changes significantly - and a new
mobo/CPU/chipset certainly qualifies as significant! - then Setup must be
allowed to run again to detect the new environment and RE-customize your
copy of WinXP to fit the new system. And the only way to run WinXP Setup is
to boot from the CD-ROM and install WinXP again.

As Leythos says, a clean install might be the way to go, especially since so
many parts of your friend's computer have changed. However, since the HD
will be carried over, you can reinstall WinXP itself while preserving the
installed applications and data by doing an in-place upgrade, as described
here:
How to perform an in-place upgrade (reinstallation) of Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;en-us;q315341

Hmmm... I see that, while I was typing the above, others have given you the
same advice, so I'll stop here. ;^} KB article 315341 says the same thing
as Michael Stevens' page, just more formally and officially.

No, this is NOT an SP2 problem. Win2K worked this way 5 years ago. But, be
sure to reinstall SP2 after the in-place upgrade, unless it is integrated
into the WinXP CD-ROM that you use.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP

"Starz_Kid" > wrote in message
...
> Hello Group, I'm rebuilding a friend's computer - it has Win-XP - Home
> edition (upgrade). And he had installed all the Win updates including SP2.
>
> Old computer was a Pentium 3 - 800 mhz on a SuperMicro motherboard.
>
> New computer is a Pentium 4 - 1.2 Ghz on a SuperMicro motherboard p4sba+
>
> Put the new computer together and the HD won't start up...!!!!!
>
> removed all components but the HD (60gb western digital) and graphics card
> and floppy.
> Computer starts up - post goes a.o.k. The screen shows the HDD being
> recognized, also the RAm is recognized and correct. All goes well during
> the startup, but then I'm presented with the MS Win screen that says
> Windows
> did not start successfully...etc... (lists other win info) then... Offers
> Safe mode - Safe mode with networking - Safe mode with command prompt as
> start up selections along with Start Win Normally - - then the screen
> offers
> MS advice to choose "start win normally"
> There's also a count down timer....!
>
> NO MATTER which one I select - the screen freezes...!!!!?!?!?!?
>
> I've tried different graphics cards, different motherboards, etc...!
>
> Is there something in Win SP2 that is preventing the drive from starting
> up?????
>
> If this IS AN SP2 Problem - then how do I upgrade the friend's computer???
>
> I'm using all of the same components, just a different Motherboard, ram
> and
> cpu, which should be O.K. to do with the Win XP (upgrade that he has?????)
>
> I mean... old motherboards do wear out...
>
> Starz_Kid...

[David Candy]

You need to reinstall windows. The motherboard is causing it as windows =
is tailored to each MB by setup.

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"Starz_Kid" > wrote in message =
...
> Hello Group, I'm rebuilding a friend's computer - it has Win-XP - =
Home
> edition (upgrade). And he had installed all the Win updates including =
SP2.
>=20
> Old computer was a Pentium 3 - 800 mhz on a SuperMicro motherboard.
>=20
> New computer is a Pentium 4 - 1.2 Ghz on a SuperMicro motherboard =
p4sba+
>=20
> Put the new computer together and the HD won't start up...!!!!!
>=20
> removed all components but the HD (60gb western digital) and graphics =
card
> and floppy.
> Computer starts up - post goes a.o.k. The screen shows the HDD being
> recognized, also the RAm is recognized and correct. All goes well =
during
> the startup, but then I'm presented with the MS Win screen that says =
Windows
> did not start successfully...etc... (lists other win info) then... =
Offers
> Safe mode - Safe mode with networking - Safe mode with command prompt =
as
> start up selections along with Start Win Normally - - then the screen =
offers
> MS advice to choose "start win normally"
> There's also a count down timer....!
>=20
> NO MATTER which one I select - the screen freezes...!!!!?!?!?!?
>=20
> I've tried different graphics cards, different motherboards, etc...!
>=20
> Is there something in Win SP2 that is preventing the drive from =
starting
> up?????
>=20
> If this IS AN SP2 Problem - then how do I upgrade the friend's =
computer???
>=20
> I'm using all of the same components, just a different Motherboard, =
ram and
> cpu, which should be O.K. to do with the Win XP (upgrade that he =
has?????)
>=20
> I mean... old motherboards do wear out...
>=20
> Starz_Kid...
>=20
>=20
>=20
>

[Ron Rector]

After replacing the motherboard a repair installation is neccesary.
The only problem is after installing SP2 a repair install with a non SP2
version of Windows may blow it up so to speak.
The only real way around this is to create an SP2 integrated slipstream cd.

Paul Thurrott's site should cover how to create a slipstream cd.
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_sp2_slipstream.asp

How to Perform a Repair Installation in Windows XP
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

Good luck!!!

"David Candy" wrote:

> You need to reinstall windows. The motherboard is causing it as windows is tailored to each MB by setup.
>
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> http://www.uscricket.com
> "Starz_Kid" > wrote in message ...
> > Hello Group, I'm rebuilding a friend's computer - it has Win-XP - Home
> > edition (upgrade). And he had installed all the Win updates including SP2.
> >
> > Old computer was a Pentium 3 - 800 mhz on a SuperMicro motherboard.
> >
> > New computer is a Pentium 4 - 1.2 Ghz on a SuperMicro motherboard p4sba+
> >
> > Put the new computer together and the HD won't start up...!!!!!
> >
> > removed all components but the HD (60gb western digital) and graphics card
> > and floppy.
> > Computer starts up - post goes a.o.k. The screen shows the HDD being
> > recognized, also the RAm is recognized and correct. All goes well during
> > the startup, but then I'm presented with the MS Win screen that says Windows
> > did not start successfully...etc... (lists other win info) then... Offers
> > Safe mode - Safe mode with networking - Safe mode with command prompt as
> > start up selections along with Start Win Normally - - then the screen offers
> > MS advice to choose "start win normally"
> > There's also a count down timer....!
> >
> > NO MATTER which one I select - the screen freezes...!!!!?!?!?!?
> >
> > I've tried different graphics cards, different motherboards, etc...!
> >
> > Is there something in Win SP2 that is preventing the drive from starting
> > up?????
> >
> > If this IS AN SP2 Problem - then how do I upgrade the friend's computer???
> >
> > I'm using all of the same components, just a different Motherboard, ram and
> > cpu, which should be O.K. to do with the Win XP (upgrade that he has?????)
> >
> > I mean... old motherboards do wear out...
> >
> > Starz_Kid...
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

[Starz_Kid]

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> Changing a Motherboard or Moving a Hard Drive with XP Installed
> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html
>
> How to Perform a Windows XP Repair Install
> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm
>
> [Courtesy of MS-MVP Michael Stevens]
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows XP - Shell/User
>
> Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
> "Starz_Kid" wrote:
>
> | Hello Group, I'm rebuilding a friend's computer - it has Win-XP - Home
> | edition (upgrade). And he had installed all the Win updates including
SP2.
> |
> | Old computer was a Pentium 3 - 800 mhz on a SuperMicro motherboard.
> |
> | New computer is a Pentium 4 - 1.2 Ghz on a SuperMicro motherboard p4sba+
> |
> | Put the new computer together and the HD won't start up...!!!!!
> |
> | removed all components but the HD (60gb western digital) and graphics
card
> | and floppy.
> | Computer starts up - post goes a.o.k. The screen shows the HDD being
> | recognized, also the RAm is recognized and correct. All goes well
during
> | the startup, but then I'm presented with the MS Win screen that says
Windows
> | did not start successfully...etc... (lists other win info) then...
Offers
> | Safe mode - Safe mode with networking - Safe mode with command prompt as
> | start up selections along with Start Win Normally - - then the screen
offers
> | MS advice to choose "start win normally"
> | There's also a count down timer....!
> |
> | NO MATTER which one I select - the screen freezes...!!!!?!?!?!?
> |
> | I've tried different graphics cards, different motherboards, etc...!
> |
> | Is there something in Win SP2 that is preventing the drive from starting
> | up?????
> |
> | If this IS AN SP2 Problem - then how do I upgrade the friend's
computer???
> |
> | I'm using all of the same components, just a different Motherboard, ram
and
> | cpu, which should be O.K. to do with the Win XP (upgrade that he
has?????)
> |
> | I mean... old motherboards do wear out...
> |
> | Starz_Kid...
>

Hello Carey Frisch [MVP],

I'll read the links in depth later today, but will the XP Repair Install
retain the data of the original drive.... In other words - will I lose any
data doing a repair install???????

Starz_Kid...

[WTC]

Starz_Kid > typed out:

> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Changing a Motherboard or Moving a Hard Drive with XP Installed
>> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html
>>
>> How to Perform a Windows XP Repair Install
>> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm
>>
>> [Courtesy of MS-MVP Michael Stevens]
>>
>> --
>> Carey Frisch
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows XP - Shell/User
>>
>> Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
>> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
>>
>>
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> --
>>
>> "Starz_Kid" wrote:
>>
>> | Hello Group, I'm rebuilding a friend's computer - it has Win-XP - Home
>> | edition (upgrade). And he had installed all the Win updates including
> SP2.
>> |
>> | Old computer was a Pentium 3 - 800 mhz on a SuperMicro motherboard.
>> |
>> | New computer is a Pentium 4 - 1.2 Ghz on a SuperMicro motherboard
>> | p4sba+
>> |
>> | Put the new computer together and the HD won't start up...!!!!!
>> |
>> | removed all components but the HD (60gb western digital) and graphics
> card
>> | and floppy.
>> | Computer starts up - post goes a.o.k. The screen shows the HDD being
>> | recognized, also the RAm is recognized and correct. All goes well
> during
>> | the startup, but then I'm presented with the MS Win screen that says
> Windows
>> | did not start successfully...etc... (lists other win info) then...
> Offers
>> | Safe mode - Safe mode with networking - Safe mode with command prompt
>> | as start up selections along with Start Win Normally - - then the
>> | screen
> offers
>> | MS advice to choose "start win normally"
>> | There's also a count down timer....!
>> |
>> | NO MATTER which one I select - the screen freezes...!!!!?!?!?!?
>> |
>> | I've tried different graphics cards, different motherboards, etc...!
>> |
>> | Is there something in Win SP2 that is preventing the drive from
>> | starting up?????
>> |
>> | If this IS AN SP2 Problem - then how do I upgrade the friend's
> computer???
>> |
>> | I'm using all of the same components, just a different Motherboard, ram
> and
>> | cpu, which should be O.K. to do with the Win XP (upgrade that he
> has?????)
>> |
>> | I mean... old motherboards do wear out...
>> |
>> | Starz_Kid...
>>
>
> Hello Carey Frisch [MVP],
>
> I'll read the links in depth later today, but will the XP Repair Install
> retain the data of the original drive.... In other words - will I lose any
> data doing a repair install???????
>
> Starz_Kid...

You shouldn't lose any data, but you should be on the safe side and create a
backup.

Also you may need to create a slipstream CD to reinstall XP. This depends on
the version of XP you have on CD and what version XP has been updated, for
example, XP SP0, XP SP1, or XP SP2.

--
William

[WTC]

Starz_Kid > typed out:

> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Changing a Motherboard or Moving a Hard Drive with XP Installed
>> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html
>>
>> How to Perform a Windows XP Repair Install
>> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm
>>
>> [Courtesy of MS-MVP Michael Stevens]
>>
>> --
>> Carey Frisch
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows XP - Shell/User
>>
>> Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
>> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
>>
>>
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> --
>>
>> "Starz_Kid" wrote:
>>
>> | Hello Group, I'm rebuilding a friend's computer - it has Win-XP - Home
>> | edition (upgrade). And he had installed all the Win updates including
> SP2.
>> |
>> | Old computer was a Pentium 3 - 800 mhz on a SuperMicro motherboard.
>> |
>> | New computer is a Pentium 4 - 1.2 Ghz on a SuperMicro motherboard
>> | p4sba+
>> |
>> | Put the new computer together and the HD won't start up...!!!!!
>> |
>> | removed all components but the HD (60gb western digital) and graphics
> card
>> | and floppy.
>> | Computer starts up - post goes a.o.k. The screen shows the HDD being
>> | recognized, also the RAm is recognized and correct. All goes well
> during
>> | the startup, but then I'm presented with the MS Win screen that says
> Windows
>> | did not start successfully...etc... (lists other win info) then...
> Offers
>> | Safe mode - Safe mode with networking - Safe mode with command prompt
>> | as start up selections along with Start Win Normally - - then the
>> | screen
> offers
>> | MS advice to choose "start win normally"
>> | There's also a count down timer....!
>> |
>> | NO MATTER which one I select - the screen freezes...!!!!?!?!?!?
>> |
>> | I've tried different graphics cards, different motherboards, etc...!
>> |
>> | Is there something in Win SP2 that is preventing the drive from
>> | starting up?????
>> |
>> | If this IS AN SP2 Problem - then how do I upgrade the friend's
> computer???
>> |
>> | I'm using all of the same components, just a different Motherboard, ram
> and
>> | cpu, which should be O.K. to do with the Win XP (upgrade that he
> has?????)
>> |
>> | I mean... old motherboards do wear out...
>> |
>> | Starz_Kid...
>>
>
> Hello Carey Frisch [MVP],
>
> I'll read the links in depth later today, but will the XP Repair Install
> retain the data of the original drive.... In other words - will I lose any
> data doing a repair install???????
>
> Starz_Kid...

You shouldn't lose any data, but you should be on the safe side and create a
backup.

Also you may need to create a slipstream CD to reinstall XP. This depends on
the version of XP you have on CD and what version XP has been updated to,
for example, XP SP0, XP SP1, or XP SP2.

--
William

[Bruce Chambers]

Starz_Kid wrote:
> Hello Group, I'm rebuilding a friend's computer - it has Win-XP - Home
> edition (upgrade). And he had installed all the Win updates including SP2.
>
> Old computer was a Pentium 3 - 800 mhz on a SuperMicro motherboard.
>
> New computer is a Pentium 4 - 1.2 Ghz on a SuperMicro motherboard p4sba+
>
> Put the new computer together and the HD won't start up...!!!!!
>
> removed all components but the HD (60gb western digital) and graphics card
> and floppy.
> Computer starts up - post goes a.o.k. The screen shows the HDD being
> recognized, also the RAm is recognized and correct. All goes well during
> the startup, but then I'm presented with the MS Win screen that says Windows
> did not start successfully...etc... (lists other win info) then... Offers
> Safe mode - Safe mode with networking - Safe mode with command prompt as
> start up selections along with Start Win Normally - - then the screen offers
> MS advice to choose "start win normally"
> There's also a count down timer....!
>
> NO MATTER which one I select - the screen freezes...!!!!?!?!?!?
>
> I've tried different graphics cards, different motherboards, etc...!
>
> Is there something in Win SP2 that is preventing the drive from starting
> up?????
>
> If this IS AN SP2 Problem - then how do I upgrade the friend's computer???
>
> I'm using all of the same components, just a different Motherboard, ram and
> cpu, which should be O.K. to do with the Win XP (upgrade that he has?????)
>
> I mean... old motherboards do wear out...
>
> Starz_Kid...
>
>
>
>


Normally, and assuming a retail license (many OEM installations
and licenses are not transferable to a new motherboard - check yours
before starting), unless the new motherboard is virtually identical
(same chipset, same IDE controllers, same BIOS version, etc.) to the
one on which the WinXP installation was originally performed, you'll
need to perform a repair (a.k.a. in-place upgrade) installation, at
the very least:

How to Perform an In-Place Upgrade of Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/directory/article.asp?ID=KB;EN-US;Q315341

The "why" is quite simple, really, and has nothing to do with
licensing issues, per se; it's a purely technical matter, at this
point. You've pulled the proverbial hardware rug out from under the
OS. (If you don't like -- or get -- the rug analogy, think of it as
picking up a Cape Cod style home and then setting it down onto a Ranch
style foundation. It just isn't going to fit.) WinXP, like Win2K
before it, is not nearly as "promiscuous" as Win9x when it comes to
accepting any old hardware configuration you throw at it. On
installation it "tailors" itself to the specific hardware found. This
is one of the reasons that the entire WinNT/2K/XP OS family is so much
more stable than the Win9x group.

As always when undertaking such a significant change, back up any
important data before starting.

This will also probably require re-activation, unless you have a
Volume Licensed version of WinXP Pro installed. If it's been more
than 120 days since you last activated that specific Product Key,
you'll most likely be able to activate via the Internet without
problem. If it's been less, you might have to make a 5 minute phone
call.


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