XP Defrag requires 15 percent freespace

[Kane's son]

XP Home SP1 defrag gave message that to successfully complete this operation
15 percent freespace was needed and I had only 7 percent. The drive is large
and 7 percent translates to 7.5 GB free, is this really not enough to run
defrag successfully? Thanks.

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[Shenan Stanley]

Kane's son wrote:
> XP Home SP1 defrag gave message that to successfully complete this
> operation 15 percent freespace was needed and I had only 7 percent.
> The drive is large and 7 percent translates to 7.5 GB free, is this
> really not enough to run defrag successfully? Thanks.

First off, the percentage needed is because you need enough room to move
around a reasonable amount of your data. 15% is a reasonable amount of your
data. Defragmentation requires a large amount of data to be relocated. It
needs room to do this safely.

However, other products (the full version of Diskeeper and PerfectDisk) do
not have this requirement. But, you are using the "free version" of
Diskeeper, so you get what you paid for. =)

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"Kane's son" wrote:

| XP Home SP1 defrag gave message that to successfully complete this operation
| 15 percent freespace was needed and I had only 7 percent. The drive is large
| and 7 percent translates to 7.5 GB free, is this really not enough to run
| defrag successfully? Thanks.
|
| --
| Regards

[WTC]

"Kane's son" > wrote in message
...
> XP Home SP1 defrag gave message that to successfully complete this
> operation
> 15 percent freespace was needed and I had only 7 percent. The drive is
> large
> and 7 percent translates to 7.5 GB free, is this really not enough to run
> defrag successfully? Thanks.
>
> --
> Regards
>
>


you can force defrag to wok even with low disk space

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;283080

the command would look like this

defrag c:\ -f

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You probably can increase free space by deleting System Restore
points -Disk CleanUp, More Options, System Restore. Do you not also have
data files that you could back up to CD?

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"Kane's son" > wrote in message
...
> XP Home SP1 defrag gave message that to successfully complete this
> operation
> 15 percent freespace was needed and I had only 7 percent. The drive is
> large
> and 7 percent translates to 7.5 GB free, is this really not enough to
> run
> defrag successfully? Thanks.
>
> --
> Regards
>
>

[David Candy]

Type in Start Run

defrag c: /f

and run defrag several times.

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> defrag successfully? Thanks.
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[Kane's son]

Shenan Stanley wrote:
> Kane's son wrote:
>> XP Home SP1 defrag gave message that to successfully complete this
>> operation 15 percent freespace was needed and I had only 7 percent.
>> The drive is large and 7 percent translates to 7.5 GB free, is this
>> really not enough to run defrag successfully? Thanks.
>
> First off, the percentage needed is because you need enough room to
> move around a reasonable amount of your data. 15% is a reasonable
> amount of your data. Defragmentation requires a large amount of data
> to be relocated. It needs room to do this safely.
>
> However, other products (the full version of Diskeeper and
> PerfectDisk) do not have this requirement. But, you are using the
> "free version" of Diskeeper, so you get what you paid for. =)
>
> --
> <- Shenan ->

Upshot is that in your opinion the integral XP defrag app is a bit cheap and
nasty and I should buy third party if I want a good product. As to the rest
really what I was asking is surely 7.5 GB is sufficient to run the defrag
process and that the 15 percent point is used unintelligently by the program
and based from a time when drives were smaller. The defrag still ran at 7
percent free. Once more with feeling - 7.5 GB is surely enough, does anyone
know if this actually is not the case. Thanks.

--
Regards

[Shenan Stanley]

Kane's son wrote:
> XP Home SP1 defrag gave message that to successfully complete this
> operation 15 percent freespace was needed and I had only 7 percent.
> The drive is large and 7 percent translates to 7.5 GB free, is this
> really not enough to run defrag successfully? Thanks.

Shenan Stanley wrote:
> First off, the percentage needed is because you need enough room to
> move around a reasonable amount of your data. 15% is a reasonable
> amount of your data. Defragmentation requires a large amount of data
> to be relocated. It needs room to do this safely.
>
> However, other products (the full version of Diskeeper and
> PerfectDisk) do not have this requirement. But, you are using the
> "free version" of Diskeeper, so you get what you paid for. =)

Kane's son wrote:
> Upshot is that in your opinion the integral XP defrag app is a bit
> cheap and nasty and I should buy third party if I want a good
> product. As to the rest really what I was asking is surely 7.5 GB is
> sufficient to run the defrag process and that the 15 percent point is
> used unintelligently by the program and based from a time when drives
> were smaller. The defrag still ran at 7 percent free. Once more with
> feeling - 7.5 GB is surely enough, does anyone know if this actually
> is not the case. Thanks.


Let's put it this way - if other products can do it without 15% free, then
yes - it is enough - wouldn't you say.

Do it several times, until you notice no change or the only change you
notice is reversed and repeated every other time.

Essentially, as I put it before, the 15% is where the defragmentation works
best. 7.5GB is not much space when you are talking 115GB total. I have
individual files larger than 7.5GB. I have partitions on my home PCs that
are greater than 1TB in size.. 7.5GB surely would not be enough on these
partitions.

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responsible for your actions/problems/solutions. Know what you are
getting into before you jump in with both feet.

[Rock]

Kane's son wrote:


>
> Upshot is that in your opinion the integral XP defrag app is a bit cheap and
> nasty and I should buy third party if I want a good product. As to the rest
> really what I was asking is surely 7.5 GB is sufficient to run the defrag
> process and that the 15 percent point is used unintelligently by the program
> and based from a time when drives were smaller. The defrag still ran at 7
> percent free. Once more with feeling - 7.5 GB is surely enough, does anyone
> know if this actually is not the case. Thanks.

Well, if it won't run, then it's not enough for defrag.exe. The app
that comes with XP is fine, just not as full featured as 3rd party apps
of this kind, as is the case with most 3rd party apps - they provide
more functionality, but at a higher price.

[Bert Kinney]

And that added expense would be best spent on a new drive, IMHO.

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Rock wrote:
> Kane's son wrote:
>
> Well, if it won't run, then it's not enough for
> defrag.exe. The app that comes with XP is fine, just not
> as full featured as 3rd party apps of this kind, as is
> the case with most 3rd party apps - they provide more
> functionality, but at a higher price.

[Raymond J. Johnson Jr.]

Leythos wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:33:48 -0500, Bert Kinney wrote:
>
>
>>And that added expense would be best spent on a new drive, IMHO.
>
>
> That added expense can be used across multiple drives to regain
> performance and if you combine that with basic archival methods you could
> regain lots of performance from the system.
>

Prove it.

[Raymond J. Johnson Jr.]

Kane's son wrote:
> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>
>>Kane's son wrote:
>>
>>>XP Home SP1 defrag gave message that to successfully complete this
>>>operation 15 percent freespace was needed and I had only 7 percent.
>>>The drive is large and 7 percent translates to 7.5 GB free, is this
>>>really not enough to run defrag successfully? Thanks.
>>
>>First off, the percentage needed is because you need enough room to
>>move around a reasonable amount of your data. 15% is a reasonable
>>amount of your data. Defragmentation requires a large amount of data
>>to be relocated. It needs room to do this safely.
>>
>>However, other products (the full version of Diskeeper and
>>PerfectDisk) do not have this requirement. But, you are using the
>>"free version" of Diskeeper, so you get what you paid for. =)
>>
>>--
>><- Shenan ->
>
>
> Upshot is that in your opinion the integral XP defrag app is a bit cheap and
> nasty and I should buy third party if I want a good product. As to the rest
> really what I was asking is surely 7.5 GB is sufficient to run the defrag
> process and that the 15 percent point is used unintelligently by the program
> and based from a time when drives were smaller. The defrag still ran at 7
> percent free. Once more with feeling - 7.5 GB is surely enough, does anyone
> know if this actually is not the case. Thanks.
>

Why are you defragging? Do you have performance issues that you think
are caused by file fragmentation? If not, leave it alone. Save your
money for a bigger hard drive.

[SFB - KB3MM]

MS has always negotiated special limited versions of utilities for inclusion
in their OS'.

"Shenan Stanley" > wrote in message
...
> Kane's son wrote:
> > XP Home SP1 defrag gave message that to successfully complete this
> > operation 15 percent freespace was needed and I had only 7 percent.
> > The drive is large and 7 percent translates to 7.5 GB free, is this
> > really not enough to run defrag successfully? Thanks.
>
> First off, the percentage needed is because you need enough room to move
> around a reasonable amount of your data. 15% is a reasonable amount of
your
> data. Defragmentation requires a large amount of data to be relocated.
It
> needs room to do this safely.
>
> However, other products (the full version of Diskeeper and PerfectDisk) do
> not have this requirement. But, you are using the "free version" of
> Diskeeper, so you get what you paid for. =)
>
> --
> <- Shenan ->
> --
> The information is provided "as is", it is suggested you research for
> yourself before you take any advice - you are the one ultimately
> responsible for your actions/problems/solutions. Know what you are
> getting into before you jump in with both feet.
>
>