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Dan
February 3rd 05, 07:54 PM
The NT source code is still weaker than 9x code in terms of security since
eeye has one vulnerability left and it affects Windows 2000. The NT code
includes current Windows 2000 and XP products as well as older NT products.
The 9x code refers to 95, 98, 98SE and ME(which is terrible and I cannot
suggest it because it was done as a rush job in my opinion)The NT code does
not have a true maintainence operating system according to Chris Quirke, MVP.
Gary S. Terhune has told me that NT relies on a command.com prompt and does
not have true MS-DOS. This is a fact. The 9x code operating systems all
contain true MS-DOS although some MS-DOS commands have been removed in the
later versions of 9x operating systems according to Brian Livingston's
"Windows 98 Secrets" book on Windows 98. Chris Quirke, MVP has mentioned the
critical need for an NT underlying maintainence system that can focus
exclusively on NT and finally leave the traces of 9x and MS-DOS behind for
good. I think this is completely correct and there is an urgent need to
divide NT from 9x because the NT code of XP and 2000 has not been able to
completely emulate the 9x code and I think it is doubtful that it will ever
be able to do that. I may end up having to purchase Microsoft Virtual
Machine to be able to run older operating systems in order to support my
client base. Gary Terhune, MVP plans to do this as soon as possible. Also,
Windows XP has more services so there are more points of entries into a
secure XP PRO. system than a secure 98SE system. Sure the user has to use
more third party products with a 98SE system but overall it has less services
so there are not as many points of entry for a hacker to attack and that is
why I will continue to use a 98SE/XP PRO dual-boot system and the strange
thing is I have more trouble maintaining XP PRO. than I do with 98SE but that
may be due to the fact that I know the 9x code deeply and know only a small
amount about the NT code which used to be named the not there code back in
its early days. I do not hate XP because if I did why would I use it. In
addition, XP does have some new things that 98SE cannot due even with third
party support but actually I cannot think of any right now except some new
Microsoft hardware and some software that requires XP or 2000 instead of
98SE. I think their was a concerted forced attempt by the software and
hardware industry to drive the consumer into the NT product line and lessen
support for 9x products because it is all about the money. We live in a
capitalistic society and so even though Microsoft and this newsgroup as well
as the 98 general newsgroup have given me awesome support the one who suffers
will be the little person due to the lessoning of support for 9x operating
systems. The solution is to release the 9x code to the open-source community
and allow awesome brainancs come up with a true competitor to Microsoft's NT
code. I think it is doubtful that Microsoft will give up the 9x code easily
since it is so awesome but after 30 June 2006 there will not be any support
for 98SE and users in third world countries still will need to get support
from somewhere. Why not allow the open-source community give it their best
shot and bring new innovation to the marketplace and allow even more consumer
choice. Mozilla Firefox is the start of the open-source trend for the
average consumer and I think the floodgates will open soon if allowed to be
opened by Microsoft because they are the owner and gatekeeper of 98SE and the
whole 9x code. If this will not happen then I think Microsoft has a
responsibility to continue to support 9x and allow the consumers to have the
choice of this operating system as compared to Windows XP/2000, or Linux, or
even Apple products. Even though, this vulnerability does not affect Windows
XP you must remember that the two operating systems are based on NT (New
Technology) as compared to the 9x code of 98SE

http://eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html

http://eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/20040802-C.html

Malke
February 4th 05, 04:03 AM
Dan wrote:

> The NT source code is still weaker than 9x code in terms of security
> since
> eeye has one vulnerability left and it affects Windows 2000.

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Dan
March 12th 05, 08:03 AM
FYI: Thank you Microsoft. The vulnerabilities have been corrected. I still
like 98SE better than XPPRO but that is just my choice.

"Dan" > wrote in message
...
: The NT source code is still weaker than 9x code in terms of security since
: eeye has one vulnerability left and it affects Windows 2000. The NT code
: includes current Windows 2000 and XP products as well as older NT products.
: The 9x code refers to 95, 98, 98SE and ME(which is terrible and I cannot
: suggest it because it was done as a rush job in my opinion)The NT code does
: not have a true maintainence operating system according to Chris Quirke,
MVP.
: Gary S. Terhune has told me that NT relies on a command.com prompt and does
: not have true MS-DOS. This is a fact. The 9x code operating systems all
: contain true MS-DOS although some MS-DOS commands have been removed in the
: later versions of 9x operating systems according to Brian Livingston's
: "Windows 98 Secrets" book on Windows 98. Chris Quirke, MVP has mentioned
the
: critical need for an NT underlying maintainence system that can focus
: exclusively on NT and finally leave the traces of 9x and MS-DOS behind for
: good. I think this is completely correct and there is an urgent need to
: divide NT from 9x because the NT code of XP and 2000 has not been able to
: completely emulate the 9x code and I think it is doubtful that it will ever
: be able to do that. I may end up having to purchase Microsoft Virtual
: Machine to be able to run older operating systems in order to support my
: client base. Gary Terhune, MVP plans to do this as soon as possible.
Also,
: Windows XP has more services so there are more points of entries into a
: secure XP PRO. system than a secure 98SE system. Sure the user has to use
: more third party products with a 98SE system but overall it has less
services
: so there are not as many points of entry for a hacker to attack and that is
: why I will continue to use a 98SE/XP PRO dual-boot system and the strange
: thing is I have more trouble maintaining XP PRO. than I do with 98SE but
that
: may be due to the fact that I know the 9x code deeply and know only a small
: amount about the NT code which used to be named the not there code back in
: its early days. I do not hate XP because if I did why would I use it. In
: addition, XP does have some new things that 98SE cannot due even with third
: party support but actually I cannot think of any right now except some new
: Microsoft hardware and some software that requires XP or 2000 instead of
: 98SE. I think their was a concerted forced attempt by the software and
: hardware industry to drive the consumer into the NT product line and lessen
: support for 9x products because it is all about the money. We live in a
: capitalistic society and so even though Microsoft and this newsgroup as
well
: as the 98 general newsgroup have given me awesome support the one who
suffers
: will be the little person due to the lessoning of support for 9x operating
: systems. The solution is to release the 9x code to the open-source
community
: and allow awesome brainancs come up with a true competitor to Microsoft's
NT
: code. I think it is doubtful that Microsoft will give up the 9x code
easily
: since it is so awesome but after 30 June 2006 there will not be any support
: for 98SE and users in third world countries still will need to get support
: from somewhere. Why not allow the open-source community give it their best
: shot and bring new innovation to the marketplace and allow even more
consumer
: choice. Mozilla Firefox is the start of the open-source trend for the
: average consumer and I think the floodgates will open soon if allowed to be
: opened by Microsoft because they are the owner and gatekeeper of 98SE and
the
: whole 9x code. If this will not happen then I think Microsoft has a
: responsibility to continue to support 9x and allow the consumers to have
the
: choice of this operating system as compared to Windows XP/2000, or Linux,
or
: even Apple products. Even though, this vulnerability does not affect
Windows
: XP you must remember that the two operating systems are based on NT (New
: Technology) as compared to the 9x code of 98SE
:
: http://eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html
:
: http://eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/20040802-C.html
:
:

Dan
March 21st 05, 05:44 PM
In addition, I now have Mini Commercial Keylogger 2.5 on the XPPRO side of my
NTFS machine --- no affect on 98SE side on 2nd hard drive and that is why
98SE with FAT32 is Awesome and Rules and Kicks A__ in my humble and willing
opinion. LOL!! BTW, I have even removed the asssociated registry entries
but the bugger is still there. ANY IDEAS!!!



"Dan" > wrote in message
...
: FYI: Thank you Microsoft. The vulnerabilities have been corrected. I
still
: like 98SE better than XPPRO but that is just my choice.
:
: "Dan" > wrote in message
: ...
: : The NT source code is still weaker than 9x code in terms of security
since
: : eeye has one vulnerability left and it affects Windows 2000. The NT code
: : includes current Windows 2000 and XP products as well as older NT
products.
: : The 9x code refers to 95, 98, 98SE and ME(which is terrible and I cannot
: : suggest it because it was done as a rush job in my opinion)The NT code
does
: : not have a true maintainence operating system according to Chris Quirke,
: MVP.
: : Gary S. Terhune has told me that NT relies on a command.com prompt and
does
: : not have true MS-DOS. This is a fact. The 9x code operating systems all
: : contain true MS-DOS although some MS-DOS commands have been removed in
the
: : later versions of 9x operating systems according to Brian Livingston's
: : "Windows 98 Secrets" book on Windows 98. Chris Quirke, MVP has mentioned
: the
: : critical need for an NT underlying maintainence system that can focus
: : exclusively on NT and finally leave the traces of 9x and MS-DOS behind
for
: : good. I think this is completely correct and there is an urgent need to
: : divide NT from 9x because the NT code of XP and 2000 has not been able to
: : completely emulate the 9x code and I think it is doubtful that it will
ever
: : be able to do that. I may end up having to purchase Microsoft Virtual
: : Machine to be able to run older operating systems in order to support my
: : client base. Gary Terhune, MVP plans to do this as soon as possible.
: Also,
: : Windows XP has more services so there are more points of entries into a
: : secure XP PRO. system than a secure 98SE system. Sure the user has to
use
: : more third party products with a 98SE system but overall it has less
: services
: : so there are not as many points of entry for a hacker to attack and that
is
: : why I will continue to use a 98SE/XP PRO dual-boot system and the strange
: : thing is I have more trouble maintaining XP PRO. than I do with 98SE but
: that
: : may be due to the fact that I know the 9x code deeply and know only a
small
: : amount about the NT code which used to be named the not there code back
in
: : its early days. I do not hate XP because if I did why would I use it.
In
: : addition, XP does have some new things that 98SE cannot due even with
third
: : party support but actually I cannot think of any right now except some
new
: : Microsoft hardware and some software that requires XP or 2000 instead of
: : 98SE. I think their was a concerted forced attempt by the software and
: : hardware industry to drive the consumer into the NT product line and
lessen
: : support for 9x products because it is all about the money. We live in a
: : capitalistic society and so even though Microsoft and this newsgroup as
: well
: : as the 98 general newsgroup have given me awesome support the one who
: suffers
: : will be the little person due to the lessoning of support for 9x
operating
: : systems. The solution is to release the 9x code to the open-source
: community
: : and allow awesome brainancs come up with a true competitor to Microsoft's
: NT
: : code. I think it is doubtful that Microsoft will give up the 9x code
: easily
: : since it is so awesome but after 30 June 2006 there will not be any
support
: : for 98SE and users in third world countries still will need to get
support
: : from somewhere. Why not allow the open-source community give it their
best
: : shot and bring new innovation to the marketplace and allow even more
: consumer
: : choice. Mozilla Firefox is the start of the open-source trend for the
: : average consumer and I think the floodgates will open soon if allowed to
be
: : opened by Microsoft because they are the owner and gatekeeper of 98SE and
: the
: : whole 9x code. If this will not happen then I think Microsoft has a
: : responsibility to continue to support 9x and allow the consumers to have
: the
: : choice of this operating system as compared to Windows XP/2000, or Linux,
: or
: : even Apple products. Even though, this vulnerability does not affect
: Windows
: : XP you must remember that the two operating systems are based on NT (New
: : Technology) as compared to the 9x code of 98SE
: :
: : http://eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html
: :
: : http://eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/20040802-C.html
: :
: :
:
:

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