PC Cameras and SP2

[billurie@nospam.org]

My Intel PC Camera used to work....through original XP
and SP1. In SP2 it does not, and Intel abandoned its
PC Camera users a year or so ago. Anybody have a group
maybe devoted to such issues, or any volunteer in this
group?

Thanks.
--
William B. Lurie

[billurie@nospam.org]

Mike Hall (MS-MVP) wrote:
> Bill
>
> If you are trying to send out video across Windows Messenger, SP2 may well
> have given you a version that will not work with video 'out of the box'..
>
> Try using MSN Messenger..
>
Richard and Mike, it's a shame that newsgroup interchange of info
is such narrow bandwidth. The camera works. Its drivers work. I
get video. But Intel has stored, buried, hidden in XP somewhere,
data or a coded file, with information about my supposed IP
address, that I have to find. Not a question of Messenger or MSN..
The question is, someplace in XP the numbers "192.168.1.1" are
stored because they appear in a window that pops onto my screen,
but every search method I know of can't seem to find them.

[Sharon F]

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:07:11 -0500, wrote:

> The question is, someplace in XP the numbers "192.168.1.1" are
> stored because they appear in a window that pops onto my screen,
> but every search method I know of can't seem to find them.

That IP is commonly assigned to a LAN. Sometimes used by routers. What else
is on the screen that pops up? It's possible that the video transmission is
being blocked by the firewall. I don't mean to speak for Mike but think
that's why he mentions Windows Messenger vs. MSN Messenger.

--
Sharon F
MS-MVP ~ Windows Shell/User

[Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)]

Exactly so, Sharon

Windows Messenger requires that a UPnP enabled connection is required where
MSN Messenger apparently does not.. I stand to be corrected here but that is
how I have always understood it..

My own experience with MSN Messenger and W9x/ME and being able to keep in
text and visual contact with my wife and children while working away from
home months at a time was lost when I used XP and Windows Messenger and an
ADSL non UPnP connection in the UK and subsequently Spain.. research
suggested that without UPnP ability, I had to settle for text only.. I was
forced into using Yahoo and Paltalk (yuk) and all of the crap that came with
both..


--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





"Sharon F" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:07:11 -0500, wrote:
>
>> The question is, someplace in XP the numbers "192.168.1.1" are
>> stored because they appear in a window that pops onto my screen,
>> but every search method I know of can't seem to find them.
>
> That IP is commonly assigned to a LAN. Sometimes used by routers. What
> else
> is on the screen that pops up? It's possible that the video transmission
> is
> being blocked by the firewall. I don't mean to speak for Mike but think
> that's why he mentions Windows Messenger vs. MSN Messenger.
>
> --
> Sharon F
> MS-MVP ~ Windows Shell/User

[billurie@nospam.org]

Sharon F wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:07:11 -0500, wrote:
>
>
>>The question is, someplace in XP the numbers "192.168.1.1" are
>>stored because they appear in a window that pops onto my screen,
>>but every search method I know of can't seem to find them.
>
>
> That IP is commonly assigned to a LAN. Sometimes used by routers. What else
> is on the screen that pops up? It's possible that the video transmission is
> being blocked by the firewall. I don't mean to speak for Mike but think
> that's why he mentions Windows Messenger vs. MSN Messenger.
>
I've tried to keep the thread pointed at one fundamental problem
which is Intel's software and where something is buried in XP.
That's why I posted the question in the windowsxp.basics group.
My Windows firewall is off; my Norton firewall is off. It's not
a matter of anybody's Messenger because I am not trying to
communicate. Intel's software presents a screen which is used
to input data, preparatory to trying to establish a connection.
I can't identify the source of that screen and the only identifiable
info on the screen, which pops up filled in, is that obsolete IP
address. I've done every search I know of and can't find 192.168.1.1
which appears as data which has been inputted and shows in that screen.
I'm sorry, but what I visualize as a simple query always
seems to be misunderstood. Note that I have tried uninstalling the
Intel camera, and deleting every trace of its software that I can
find, including in Registry, and when I reinstall it, that bad
number, an old almost correct IP address, reappears.

What I've done is buy a new Creative PC camera and will be installing
it in a few days. At least Creative is still supporting their product.


--
William B. Lurie

[Richard Urban]

Statement: "I'm sorry, but what I visualize as a simple query always seems
to be misunderstood."

Answer: THE WAY YOU ASK A QUESTION?????

You come here with a preconceived notion as to what you problem is. YOU ARE
OBDURATE TO AN EXTREME! When others try to tell you that what you think is
not so, you always fight back

Statement: "I've done every search I know of and can't find 192.168.1.1
which appears as data which has been inputted and shows in that screen."

Answer: I just took me about one minute to find 18 references to 198.168.1.1
(which is same as 192.168.100.100) in my operating system.

Allow me to tell you that if you change any of these you likely will NOT be
posting back here any time soon!

So, go ahead and delete all the references! (-:

--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


> wrote in message
...
> Sharon F wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:07:11 -0500, wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The question is, someplace in XP the numbers "192.168.1.1" are
>>>stored because they appear in a window that pops onto my screen,
>>>but every search method I know of can't seem to find them.
>>
>>
>> That IP is commonly assigned to a LAN. Sometimes used by routers. What
>> else
>> is on the screen that pops up? It's possible that the video transmission
>> is
>> being blocked by the firewall. I don't mean to speak for Mike but think
>> that's why he mentions Windows Messenger vs. MSN Messenger.
> I've tried to keep the thread pointed at one fundamental problem
> which is Intel's software and where something is buried in XP.
> That's why I posted the question in the windowsxp.basics group.
> My Windows firewall is off; my Norton firewall is off. It's not
> a matter of anybody's Messenger because I am not trying to
> communicate. Intel's software presents a screen which is used
> to input data, preparatory to trying to establish a connection.
> I can't identify the source of that screen and the only identifiable
> info on the screen, which pops up filled in, is that obsolete IP
> address. I've done every search I know of and can't find 192.168.1.1
> which appears as data which has been inputted and shows in that screen.
> I'm sorry, but what I visualize as a simple query always
> seems to be misunderstood. Note that I have tried uninstalling the
> Intel camera, and deleting every trace of its software that I can
> find, including in Registry, and when I reinstall it, that bad
> number, an old almost correct IP address, reappears.
>
> What I've done is buy a new Creative PC camera and will be installing
> it in a few days. At least Creative is still supporting their product.
>
>
> --
> William B. Lurie

[Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)]

Richard

Unbelievable isn't it.. one question after another, and never easy to
decipher..

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





"Richard Urban" > wrote in message
...
> Statement: "I'm sorry, but what I visualize as a simple query always seems
> to be misunderstood."
>
> Answer: THE WAY YOU ASK A QUESTION?????
>
> You come here with a preconceived notion as to what you problem is. YOU
> ARE OBDURATE TO AN EXTREME! When others try to tell you that what you
> think is not so, you always fight back
>
> Statement: "I've done every search I know of and can't find 192.168.1.1
> which appears as data which has been inputted and shows in that screen."
>
> Answer: I just took me about one minute to find 18 references to
> 198.168.1.1 (which is same as 192.168.100.100) in my operating system.
>
> Allow me to tell you that if you change any of these you likely will NOT
> be posting back here any time soon!
>
> So, go ahead and delete all the references! (-:
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
>
> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> Sharon F wrote:
>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:07:11 -0500, wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The question is, someplace in XP the numbers "192.168.1.1" are
>>>>stored because they appear in a window that pops onto my screen,
>>>>but every search method I know of can't seem to find them.
>>>
>>>
>>> That IP is commonly assigned to a LAN. Sometimes used by routers. What
>>> else
>>> is on the screen that pops up? It's possible that the video transmission
>>> is
>>> being blocked by the firewall. I don't mean to speak for Mike but think
>>> that's why he mentions Windows Messenger vs. MSN Messenger.
>> I've tried to keep the thread pointed at one fundamental problem
>> which is Intel's software and where something is buried in XP.
>> That's why I posted the question in the windowsxp.basics group.
>> My Windows firewall is off; my Norton firewall is off. It's not
>> a matter of anybody's Messenger because I am not trying to
>> communicate. Intel's software presents a screen which is used
>> to input data, preparatory to trying to establish a connection.
>> I can't identify the source of that screen and the only identifiable
>> info on the screen, which pops up filled in, is that obsolete IP
>> address. I've done every search I know of and can't find 192.168.1.1
>> which appears as data which has been inputted and shows in that screen.
>> I'm sorry, but what I visualize as a simple query always
>> seems to be misunderstood. Note that I have tried uninstalling the
>> Intel camera, and deleting every trace of its software that I can
>> find, including in Registry, and when I reinstall it, that bad
>> number, an old almost correct IP address, reappears.
>>
>> What I've done is buy a new Creative PC camera and will be installing
>> it in a few days. At least Creative is still supporting their product.
>>
>>
>> --
>> William B. Lurie
>
>

[RRR_News]

William,
Is your PC connected to router or part of a network? Are you using XP's,
software such as ZoneAlarm, or a router's firewall?

Here are two (2) files, and one (1)upgrade offer from Intel. Intel states
that they still have upgrade in stock on their website, that might help with
you using video feature for Intel's CS330 web cam. If you are using the CD
that originally came with the camera. It probably includes drivers for
Win9x/ME OS's, only. You will need to install the WinXP driver's. You still
might be able to use the photo software on the CD.

1. The CS330-XP.EXE file contains "Drivers only" and does NOT contain any
Intel® Create & Share® Software
http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/Detail_Desc.asp?agr=N&ProductID=460&DwnldID=3614

2. LIVEVID.EXE is a self-extracting archive that, once installed, will allow
users to troubleshoot problems where their Intel camera will not stream or
display live video.
LIVEVID.EXE should allow you to resolve this issue.
http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/Detail_Desc.asp?agr=N&ProductID=460&DwnldID=4336

3. Intel Create & Share® software Upgrade CD for $5.95
http://www.shop-intel.com/shop/product.asp?pid=SISW3086

You did not say what video conferencing software you are trying to use with
the camera. If you are trying to use the software from the Intel CD. Such as
NetMeeting, you will probably need to install the current version offered by
that product's manufacturer. Also check the software's instruction,
concerning settings for application through firewalls and maybe routers. Is
your PC connected to router or part of a network?
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The camera is Intel's CS330.....the driver is what Intel put on the CD
they sold me, I wouldn't know its ID. The camera makes video. The
problem is that a wrong IP address is frozen into the data somewhere
and all the searching I can do, hasn't led me to where. So I have
video but can't send it out. I'm hoping that somebody who has that
camera and the Intel software, will lead me to where the numbers
are buried, and then maybe to how I can remove them.

--
William B. Lurie

[billurie@nospam.org]

Thanks, RR...I'll answer your questions to be polite, but I'm not
going further with the Intel hardware because Richard Urban, who
has been in my shoes, said that the only software that will make
the Intel camera work with XP is what he downloaded but isn't
available any more. See below.

RRR_News wrote:
> William,
> Is your PC connected to router or part of a network? Are you using XP's,
> software such as ZoneAlarm, or a router's firewall?
No, I am hardwired to DSL, alone on this line. I have XP/SP1 and then
SP2, no ZA, only SP2 Firewall (on or off, same results).
>
> Here are two (2) files, and one (1)upgrade offer from Intel. Intel states
> that they still have upgrade in stock on their website, that might help with
> you using video feature for Intel's CS330 web cam. If you are using the CD
> that originally came with the camera. It probably includes drivers for
> Win9x/ME OS's, only. You will need to install the WinXP driver's. You still
> might be able to use the photo software on the CD.
>
I bought Intel's 'free' CD, labeled Intel C&S Software---Installation
CD for Windows 2000/Windows XP.
> 1. The CS330-XP.EXE file contains "Drivers only" and does NOT contain any
> Intel® Create & Share® Software
> http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/Detail_Desc.asp?agr=N&ProductID=460&DwnldID=3614
>
> 2. LIVEVID.EXE is a self-extracting archive that, once installed, will allow
> users to troubleshoot problems where their Intel camera will not stream or
> display live video.
> LIVEVID.EXE should allow you to resolve this issue.
> http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/Detail_Desc.asp?agr=N&ProductID=460&DwnldID=4336
>
> 3. Intel Create & Share® software Upgrade CD for $5.95
> http://www.shop-intel.com/shop/product.asp?pid=SISW3086

That's exactly what I have.
> You did not say what video conferencing software you are trying to use with
> the camera. If you are trying to use the software from the Intel CD. Such as
> NetMeeting, you will probably need to install the current version offered by
> that product's manufacturer. Also check the software's instruction,
> concerning settings for application through firewalls and maybe routers. Is
> your PC connected to router or part of a network?
I have installed no 'third party' software to connect to the DSL line.It
has been my impression that Intel provided what would be required.
Actually, since I bought the Creative PC camera, I intend to install
it in a few days. I'm *sure* it will work with XP/SP2 with what they
provide.

Thanks for the links....I'll save them, but I've pretty well given up
on making the Intel camera do anything.

William B. Lurie

[Sharon F]

On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:12:46 -0500, wrote:

> I've tried to keep the thread pointed at one fundamental problem
> which is Intel's software and where something is buried in XP.
> That's why I posted the question in the windowsxp.basics group.
> My Windows firewall is off; my Norton firewall is off. It's not
> a matter of anybody's Messenger because I am not trying to
> communicate. Intel's software presents a screen which is used
> to input data, preparatory to trying to establish a connection.
> I can't identify the source of that screen and the only identifiable
> info on the screen, which pops up filled in, is that obsolete IP
> address. I've done every search I know of and can't find 192.168.1.1
> which appears as data which has been inputted and shows in that screen.
> I'm sorry, but what I visualize as a simple query always
> seems to be misunderstood. Note that I have tried uninstalling the
> Intel camera, and deleting every trace of its software that I can
> find, including in Registry, and when I reinstall it, that bad
> number, an old almost correct IP address, reappears.
>
> What I've done is buy a new Creative PC camera and will be installing
> it in a few days. At least Creative is still supporting their product.

Bill, I realized your intention but thought that you may be following the
wrong tack on trying to dig up the mention of the IP number (that number is
also hard coded into Internet Connection Sharing.) I wasn't trying to cloud
the issue for you. I was trying to dissect it further so that you could
take the pieces and put them back together in a way that would work for
you.

Richard (COB) uses the camera successfully. I don't know if it's the same
camera or completely different but he's worked around the Intel software
issue by not using it.

I don't know about you but it sounds like there's a good chance that the
camera you have is not a lost cause. Instead it sounds like you need to
find alternatives to its software to be able to use it.

Sorry if you feel I derailed your thread a bit. That surely wasn't my
intention. You're one of the regulars in these newsgroups and was just
trying to lend a helping hand.

Best regards,
--
Sharon F
MS-MVP ~ Windows Shell/User

[billurie@nospam.org]

Sharon F wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:12:46 -0500, wrote:
>
>
>>I've tried to keep the thread pointed at one fundamental problem
>>which is Intel's software and where something is buried in XP.
>>That's why I posted the question in the windowsxp.basics group.
>>My Windows firewall is off; my Norton firewall is off. It's not
>>a matter of anybody's Messenger because I am not trying to
>>communicate. Intel's software presents a screen which is used
>>to input data, preparatory to trying to establish a connection.
>>I can't identify the source of that screen and the only identifiable
>>info on the screen, which pops up filled in, is that obsolete IP
>>address. I've done every search I know of and can't find 192.168.1.1
>>which appears as data which has been inputted and shows in that screen.
>>I'm sorry, but what I visualize as a simple query always
>>seems to be misunderstood. Note that I have tried uninstalling the
>>Intel camera, and deleting every trace of its software that I can
>>find, including in Registry, and when I reinstall it, that bad
>>number, an old almost correct IP address, reappears.
>>
>>What I've done is buy a new Creative PC camera and will be installing
>>it in a few days. At least Creative is still supporting their product.
>
>
> Bill, I realized your intention but thought that you may be following the
> wrong tack on trying to dig up the mention of the IP number (that number is
> also hard coded into Internet Connection Sharing.) I wasn't trying to cloud
> the issue for you. I was trying to dissect it further so that you could
> take the pieces and put them back together in a way that would work for
> you.
>
> Richard (COB) uses the camera successfully. I don't know if it's the same
> camera or completely different but he's worked around the Intel software
> issue by not using it.
>
> I don't know about you but it sounds like there's a good chance that the
> camera you have is not a lost cause. Instead it sounds like you need to
> find alternatives to its software to be able to use it.
************************************************** ************************>
> Sorry if you feel I derailed your thread a bit.

Not at all, Sharon. I hope I didn't give the impression that I thought so.
> That surely wasn't my intention.

Of course not. Reading these pages one never finds you other than
friendly and well-intentioned and tolerant (others please note).
> You're one of the regulars in these newsgroups and was just
> trying to lend a helping hand.
>
> Best regards,
Of course, Sharon. But with the software I have, XP>>SP2 and what Intel
sold me, purpoortedly to make their camera work with SP2, Richard has
told us that it can't be done. And what he did get from Intel that I
now can't he did make his work. So it all adds up to one thing:
I should quit the Don Quixote act and hope I have better success
with my new Creative camera, and their software.

--
William B. Lurie

[Sharon F]

On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:35:17 -0500, wrote:

> and hope I have better success
> with my new Creative camera, and their software.

I hope so too, Bill. Good luck with it!
--
Sharon F
MS-MVP ~ Windows Shell/User

[Richard Urban]

Here Bill.

I've done your work for you!
http://www.shop-intel.com/shop/product.asp?pid=SISW3086

--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


> wrote in message
...
> My Intel PC Camera used to work....through original XP
> and SP1. In SP2 it does not, and Intel abandoned its
> PC Camera users a year or so ago. Anybody have a group
> maybe devoted to such issues, or any volunteer in this
> group?
>
> Thanks.
> --
> William B. Lurie

[billurie@nospam.org]

Richard Urban wrote:
> Here Bill.
>
> I've done your work for you!
> http://www.shop-intel.com/shop/product.asp?pid=SISW3086
>
Thank you, Richard. I bought that CD (free except for $5.95
S&H) months ago. See other peoples' corroboration that it
doesn't work for SP2.

--
William B. Lurie

[Richard Urban]

OK. The last time I tried it was under SP1. As I have said - I do not use
the software as my camera works fine with every Windows XP program/utility
that utilizes a web cam. All I needed were the drivers.

--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


> wrote in message
...
> Richard Urban wrote:
>> Here Bill.
>>
>> I've done your work for you!
>> http://www.shop-intel.com/shop/product.asp?pid=SISW3086
>>
> Thank you, Richard. I bought that CD (free except for $5.95
> S&H) months ago. See other peoples' corroboration that it
> doesn't work for SP2.
>
> --
> William B. Lurie

[Tom]

I still have my Intel Create and Share Camera, which is older than Bills,
and that was barely supported with ME (was made for 95/98), and had
absolutely no support for 2000, as Intel stated that iy will not write
drivers past ME.

Though I don't have the software installed, since it won't work, nor are
there any Intel drivers for it, XP uses the device as an (listed in Device
man.) 'Intel USB Video Camera III'. I can take self pictures with it, make
little videos with through WMM2, and I can do web cam chats through Yahoo,
MSN, and Netmeeting. Since that is all available to me still, I am actually
saving disk space and resources not having to use Intel's software.

"Richard Urban" > wrote in message
...
> OK. The last time I tried it was under SP1. As I have said - I do not use
> the software as my camera works fine with every Windows XP program/utility
> that utilizes a web cam. All I needed were the drivers.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
>
> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>> Here Bill.
>>>
>>> I've done your work for you!
>>> http://www.shop-intel.com/shop/product.asp?pid=SISW3086
>>>
>> Thank you, Richard. I bought that CD (free except for $5.95
>> S&H) months ago. See other peoples' corroboration that it
>> doesn't work for SP2.
>>
>> --
>> William B. Lurie
>
>