Backup Software and SP2

[LaurenceCook]

I and a number of colleagues in the UK are running backup software from BT
called Datasure, backing up over the Web. Prior to SP2, the software allowed
the user to select 'Run backup on exit', and when Windows was shutdown, the
backup would run then allow Windows to continue shutdown. With SP2 loaded,
Windows will not shut down after the backup, but has to be manually shut
down. The Datasure support people say it is due to the firewall settings in
XP SP2, but I can't find what settings to amend. Any thoughts?

[David H. Lipman]

* * * Don't backup data to the web ! * * *

That's your PRIVATE data and your data is now subject to possible scrutiny. It is also
slower to backup to the Internet than to a local device. Go and get a local backup device
such as a Tape Drive, DVD writing drive or other device.

--
Dave




"LaurenceCook" > wrote in message
...
| I and a number of colleagues in the UK are running backup software from BT
| called Datasure, backing up over the Web. Prior to SP2, the software allowed
| the user to select 'Run backup on exit', and when Windows was shutdown, the
| backup would run then allow Windows to continue shutdown. With SP2 loaded,
| Windows will not shut down after the backup, but has to be manually shut
| down. The Datasure support people say it is due to the firewall settings in
| XP SP2, but I can't find what settings to amend. Any thoughts?

[André Gulliksen]

David H. Lipman wrote:
> * * * Don't backup data to the web ! * * *
>
> That's your PRIVATE data and your data is now subject to possible
> scrutiny. It is also slower to backup to the Internet than to a
> local device. Go and get a local backup device such as a Tape Drive,
> DVD writing drive or other device.

When done right (with some sort of encryption) backing up to an offsite
storage can for many purposes be preferred over local backups. Availability
when on the move is one added bonus. But the main attraction is recovery
after major disasters such as fires, earthquakes, a hit by a US "surgical"
napalm strike, or other events likely to eradicate your precious tapes and
DVDs along with the computer you backed up.

[Dan]

I have to agree with David on this one. With the increased attacks on the
web, I feel it is no longer safe to back-up via the web unless you are fully
protected and the area you store it has 256 bit encryption or better. Can
you trust the site is something to ask yourself. I would remember the movie
the Matrix as well as reading 1984 by George Orwell to give you a new
perspective on life.

"André Gulliksen" > wrote in message
...
: David H. Lipman wrote:
: > * * * Don't backup data to the web ! * * *
: >
: > That's your PRIVATE data and your data is now subject to possible
: > scrutiny. It is also slower to backup to the Internet than to a
: > local device. Go and get a local backup device such as a Tape Drive,
: > DVD writing drive or other device.
:
: When done right (with some sort of encryption) backing up to an offsite
: storage can for many purposes be preferred over local backups. Availability
: when on the move is one added bonus. But the main attraction is recovery
: after major disasters such as fires, earthquakes, a hit by a US "surgical"
: napalm strike, or other events likely to eradicate your precious tapes and
: DVDs along with the computer you backed up.
:
:

[Dan]

Also, remember ChoicePoint is vulnerable because people got in. Only 1 was
caught and how many are involved. T-Mobile was hacked back in 2003. Verizon
Wireless SMS has at least one vulnerability. I truly wonder what is
happening in our world today. It is becomming safer to do things the
old-fashioned way with pen or pencil and paper in a paper planner rather than
having a Blue-Tooth enabled PDA that is just asking for someone to hack into
your personnel files. Practice makes (almost) perfect and people need to be
really, really careful these days as far as anything in technology goes. If
you have a gut instinct that something is wrong then something probably is
wrong and contact the appropriate government authorities.

"André Gulliksen" > wrote in message
...
: David H. Lipman wrote:
: > * * * Don't backup data to the web ! * * *
: >
: > That's your PRIVATE data and your data is now subject to possible
: > scrutiny. It is also slower to backup to the Internet than to a
: > local device. Go and get a local backup device such as a Tape Drive,
: > DVD writing drive or other device.
:
: When done right (with some sort of encryption) backing up to an offsite
: storage can for many purposes be preferred over local backups. Availability
: when on the move is one added bonus. But the main attraction is recovery
: after major disasters such as fires, earthquakes, a hit by a US "surgical"
: napalm strike, or other events likely to eradicate your precious tapes and
: DVDs along with the computer you backed up.
:
:

[André Gulliksen]

Dan wrote:
> I have to agree with David on this one. With the increased attacks
> on the web, I feel it is no longer safe to back-up via the web unless
> you are fully protected and the area you store it has 256 bit
> encryption or better.

Why are you encrypting a web area? And how? The one and _only_ natural thing
to do IMNSFHO is to encrypt your _files_, and to do so before they leave
your house.

[David H. Lipman]

The avg. person is going to encrypt their files ?

Many of these people can't tie their Internet shoelaces. ;-)

--
Dave




"André Gulliksen" > wrote in message
...
| Dan wrote:
| > I have to agree with David on this one. With the increased attacks
| > on the web, I feel it is no longer safe to back-up via the web unless
| > you are fully protected and the area you store it has 256 bit
| > encryption or better.
|
| Why are you encrypting a web area? And how? The one and _only_ natural thing
| to do IMNSFHO is to encrypt your _files_, and to do so before they leave
| your house.
|
|

[André Gulliksen]

David H. Lipman wrote:
> The avg. person is going to encrypt their files ?

If you read my first post in this thread you will notice that I said
something about things (in this case: offsite backups) being "done right".
What made you think that I assumed the average person was able to do things
right? :p

> Many of these people can't tie their Internet shoelaces. ;-)

Too true to be good.

[Dan]

LOL!! Good one, David.

"David H. Lipman" > wrote in message
...
: The avg. person is going to encrypt their files ?
:
: Many of these people can't tie their Internet shoelaces. ;-)
:
: --
: Dave
:
:
:
:
: "André Gulliksen" > wrote in message
: ...
: | Dan wrote:
: | > I have to agree with David on this one. With the increased attacks
: | > on the web, I feel it is no longer safe to back-up via the web unless
: | > you are fully protected and the area you store it has 256 bit
: | > encryption or better.
: |
: | Why are you encrypting a web area? And how? The one and _only_ natural
thing
: | to do IMNSFHO is to encrypt your _files_, and to do so before they leave
: | your house.
: |
: |
:
:

[Dan]

It is necessary to encrypt in order to have better security. Sorry, I am not
at liberty to reveal that information due to the nature of this newsgroup,
Andre. Have a great day!

"André Gulliksen" > wrote in message
...
: Dan wrote:
: > I have to agree with David on this one. With the increased attacks
: > on the web, I feel it is no longer safe to back-up via the web unless
: > you are fully protected and the area you store it has 256 bit
: > encryption or better.
:
: Why are you encrypting a web area? And how? The one and _only_ natural
thing
: to do IMNSFHO is to encrypt your _files_, and to do so before they leave
: your house.
:
:

[David H. Lipman]

Point taken !

--
Dave




"André Gulliksen" > wrote in message
...
| David H. Lipman wrote:
| > The avg. person is going to encrypt their files ?
|
| If you read my first post in this thread you will notice that I said
| something about things (in this case: offsite backups) being "done right".
| What made you think that I assumed the average person was able to do things
| right? :p
|
| > Many of these people can't tie their Internet shoelaces. ;-)
|
| Too true to be good.
|
|

[LaurenceCook]

many thanks for all the responses, but I do not want to get into a debate
regarding the rights and wrongs of backing up over the Web. It is the
individual's responsibility if they want to do things this way.

Any help with the problem would be appreciated.

"Dan" wrote:

> Also, remember ChoicePoint is vulnerable because people got in. Only 1 was
> caught and how many are involved. T-Mobile was hacked back in 2003. Verizon
> Wireless SMS has at least one vulnerability. I truly wonder what is
> happening in our world today. It is becomming safer to do things the
> old-fashioned way with pen or pencil and paper in a paper planner rather than
> having a Blue-Tooth enabled PDA that is just asking for someone to hack into
> your personnel files. Practice makes (almost) perfect and people need to be
> really, really careful these days as far as anything in technology goes. If
> you have a gut instinct that something is wrong then something probably is
> wrong and contact the appropriate government authorities.
>
> "André Gulliksen" > wrote in message
> ...
> : David H. Lipman wrote:
> : > * * * Don't backup data to the web ! * * *
> : >
> : > That's your PRIVATE data and your data is now subject to possible
> : > scrutiny. It is also slower to backup to the Internet than to a
> : > local device. Go and get a local backup device such as a Tape Drive,
> : > DVD writing drive or other device.
> :
> : When done right (with some sort of encryption) backing up to an offsite
> : storage can for many purposes be preferred over local backups. Availability
> : when on the move is one added bonus. But the main attraction is recovery
> : after major disasters such as fires, earthquakes, a hit by a US "surgical"
> : napalm strike, or other events likely to eradicate your precious tapes and
> : DVDs along with the computer you backed up.
> :
> :
>
>
>

[André Gulliksen]

Dan wrote:
> It is necessary to encrypt in order to have better security.

Thank you for your insight.

[David H. Lipman]

OK -- Here's your answer.

Contact your ISP for support on Datasure. If it uses specific ports, they'll know them.
They can also provide pertinent information on the executable that will need access through
the FireWall.

--
Dave




"LaurenceCook" > wrote in message
...
| many thanks for all the responses, but I do not want to get into a debate
| regarding the rights and wrongs of backing up over the Web. It is the
| individual's responsibility if they want to do things this way.
|
| Any help with the problem would be appreciated.

[Kerry Brown]

If the Datasure support people know that the SP2 firewall is causing the
problem then they must also know what ports need to be opened. If they don't
I would be highly suspect of their competency to store my backups safely. It
would mean they don't understand how their own software works.

Kerry Brown
KDB Systems

"LaurenceCook" > wrote in message
...
>I and a number of colleagues in the UK are running backup software from BT
> called Datasure, backing up over the Web. Prior to SP2, the software
> allowed
> the user to select 'Run backup on exit', and when Windows was shutdown,
> the
> backup would run then allow Windows to continue shutdown. With SP2 loaded,
> Windows will not shut down after the backup, but has to be manually shut
> down. The Datasure support people say it is due to the firewall settings
> in
> XP SP2, but I can't find what settings to amend. Any thoughts?

[Dan]

You are most welcome. I am here to help from time to time even though my
primary newsgroup is:

microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

I also like this newsgroup because I am fairly new to XP PRO. but I really
like 98SE because it has MS-DOS as its underlying operating system as
compared to a MS-DOS shell emulated within a command.com (cmd.com) emulator.
XP PRO. does not have a true maintenance operating system because it is based
on NT (New Technology) source code that I refer to as NT (Not There) just
like early Microsoft techs. who realized it was stupid to make NT without a
true underlying maintenance operating system. Microsoft is just trying to
save time, money and resources by not creating a stable successor to DOS.
(Disk Operating System) Microsoft is living in unreality. Microsoft is like
the Matrix and since they don't have true competitors yet they can do as they
please. On the positive side, Microsoft has awesome technical articles and
user support. Microsoft extended 98, 98SE and ME until 30 June 2006 so I
have options to continue to use 98SE until that day. I can only hope
Microsoft will continue 9x through more extended support, realizing they need
to remarket it as a Classics brand for older computer users and thus it will
be friendly to third-world countries and our environment or sell/give it to
the open-source community so they can tear it apart and fix the few minor
errors that remain in 98SE. I hope this helps.
"André Gulliksen" > wrote in message
...
: Dan wrote:
: > It is necessary to encrypt in order to have better security.
:
: Thank you for your insight.
:
:

[Dan]

Just the way, I like it David Lipman. You are straight, no-holds bar and
direct and to the point. A well-written response.

"David H. Lipman" > wrote in message
...
: OK -- Here's your answer.
:
: Contact your ISP for support on Datasure. If it uses specific ports,
they'll know them.
: They can also provide pertinent information on the executable that will
need access through
: the FireWall.
:
: --
: Dave
:
:
:
:
: "LaurenceCook" > wrote in message
: ...
: | many thanks for all the responses, but I do not want to get into a debate
: | regarding the rights and wrongs of backing up over the Web. It is the
: | individual's responsibility if they want to do things this way.
: |
: | Any help with the problem would be appreciated.
:
:

[Dan]

You make a valid point, Kerry. I agree the user should look for a better
service elsewhere. Have a great day!!!

"Kerry Brown" *o*m> wrote in message
...
: If the Datasure support people know that the SP2 firewall is causing the
: problem then they must also know what ports need to be opened. If they
don't
: I would be highly suspect of their competency to store my backups safely.
It
: would mean they don't understand how their own software works.
:
: Kerry Brown
: KDB Systems
:
: "LaurenceCook" > wrote in message
: ...
: >I and a number of colleagues in the UK are running backup software from BT
: > called Datasure, backing up over the Web. Prior to SP2, the software
: > allowed
: > the user to select 'Run backup on exit', and when Windows was shutdown,
: > the
: > backup would run then allow Windows to continue shutdown. With SP2
loaded,
: > Windows will not shut down after the backup, but has to be manually shut
: > down. The Datasure support people say it is due to the firewall settings
: > in
: > XP SP2, but I can't find what settings to amend. Any thoughts?
:
: