SP2, another unsatisfied customer.

[Al Smith]

I decided to try installing SP2, just for the fun of it. To be
honest, I didn't expect any problems since I've got a fast, up to
date computer with standard hardware -- nothing strange about my
setup at all.

It installed fine from the CD that Microsoft sent me, but then
when I rebooted I got a stop screen, whatever the hell that is ...
some sort of memory address error. Nothing I could do would get
rid of it. I tried going into Safe Mode and turning off some of
the programs that was loading, but still got the crash.

Lucky for me, I had the sense to make a mirror backup of my C
drive just before trying to install SP2, so half an hour later, I
was back where I started ... with a stable, rock solid computer
that has *never* given a memory address error.

Microsoft lapdogs can say what they want about proper preparation
for SP2 and outdated drivers and wonky hardware and all the other
bull**** they come out with, but it doesn't change the fact that
SP2 is a bad piece of code that should never have been released.

blah blah blah blah.

been there heard that before.

have installed sp2 on thousands of systems without
problems, I have fixed people with sp2 problems it is
never sp2 that is the problem it is the customers
software or hardware always everytime. you have old
software or viruses or spyware ,assuming your hardware is
up to sp2 and of course you did the minimum and disabled
firewalls and virus protectors.

you are probably the average moron running norton system
works and internet security and left them running while
installing.
>-----Original Message-----
>I decided to try installing SP2, just for the fun of it.
To be
>honest, I didn't expect any problems since I've got a
fast, up to
>date computer with standard hardware -- nothing strange
about my
>setup at all.
>
>It installed fine from the CD that Microsoft sent me,
but then
>when I rebooted I got a stop screen, whatever the hell
that is ...
>some sort of memory address error. Nothing I could do
would get
>rid of it. I tried going into Safe Mode and turning off
some of
>the programs that was loading, but still got the crash.
>
>Lucky for me, I had the sense to make a mirror backup of
my C
>drive just before trying to install SP2, so half an hour
later, I
>was back where I started ... with a stable, rock solid
computer
>that has *never* given a memory address error.
>
>Microsoft lapdogs can say what they want about proper
preparation
>for SP2 and outdated drivers and wonky hardware and all
the other
>bull**** they come out with, but it doesn't change the
fact that
>SP2 is a bad piece of code that should never have been
released.
>.
>

[xfile]

> you are probably the average moron running norton system
> works and internet security and left them running while
> installing.

What does that mean exactly? And where did you learn that will give you
problem?



>
...
> blah blah blah blah.
>
> been there heard that before.
>
> have installed sp2 on thousands of systems without
> problems, I have fixed people with sp2 problems it is
> never sp2 that is the problem it is the customers
> software or hardware always everytime. you have old
> software or viruses or spyware ,assuming your hardware is
> up to sp2 and of course you did the minimum and disabled
> firewalls and virus protectors.
>
> you are probably the average moron running norton system
> works and internet security and left them running while
> installing.
>>-----Original Message-----
>>I decided to try installing SP2, just for the fun of it.
> To be
>>honest, I didn't expect any problems since I've got a
> fast, up to
>>date computer with standard hardware -- nothing strange
> about my
>>setup at all.
>>
>>It installed fine from the CD that Microsoft sent me,
> but then
>>when I rebooted I got a stop screen, whatever the hell
> that is ...
>>some sort of memory address error. Nothing I could do
> would get
>>rid of it. I tried going into Safe Mode and turning off
> some of
>>the programs that was loading, but still got the crash.
>>
>>Lucky for me, I had the sense to make a mirror backup of
> my C
>>drive just before trying to install SP2, so half an hour
> later, I
>>was back where I started ... with a stable, rock solid
> computer
>>that has *never* given a memory address error.
>>
>>Microsoft lapdogs can say what they want about proper
> preparation
>>for SP2 and outdated drivers and wonky hardware and all
> the other
>>bull**** they come out with, but it doesn't change the
> fact that
>>SP2 is a bad piece of code that should never have been
> released.
>>.
>>

[Bob S.]

Thousands of systems and no problems...? I seriously doubt that. Go do
some reading on the MS site about SP-2 problems and the hot-fixes to fix
SP-2.

And calling someone a moron here tells us exactly what your IQ is...

Have a nice day.....troll...

[Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)]

Bob

Reading the content on those sites, you will soon realise that some of the
problems are not so much with SP2 as how other programming reacts..

SP2 was needed, and appeared in beta form long enough for software authors
to get their act together.. many did just that.. others did not..

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





"Bob S." > wrote in message
...
> Thousands of systems and no problems...? I seriously doubt that. Go do
> some reading on the MS site about SP-2 problems and the hot-fixes to fix
> SP-2.
>
> And calling someone a moron here tells us exactly what your IQ is...
>
> Have a nice day.....troll...
>
>
>

[Si Ballenger]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:06:51 -0800,
> wrote:

>blah blah blah blah.

MS sock puppet thinking reeeel hard.

>been there heard that before.
>
>have installed sp2 on thousands of systems without
>problems, I have fixed people with sp2 problems it is
>never sp2 that is the problem it is the customers
>software or hardware always everytime. you have old
>software or viruses or spyware ,assuming your hardware is
>up to sp2 and of course you did the minimum and disabled
>firewalls and virus protectors.

What a POS if it can't even install itself with out crashing due
to spyware and such. All good security software should have SP2
included in the virus definitions. ;-)

>you are probably the average moron running norton system
>works and internet security and left them running while
>installing.

And you must be the moron standard that they are judged by.

[Plato]

Al Smith wrote:
>
> Microsoft lapdogs can say what they want about proper preparation
> for SP2 and outdated drivers and wonky hardware and all the other

http://www.bootdisk.com/xptop20.htm#1

They can say what they want. But you have to read to do it right.

[Al Smith]

>>Microsoft lapdogs can say what they want about proper preparation
>>> for SP2 and outdated drivers and wonky hardware and all the other
>
>
> http://www.bootdisk.com/xptop20.htm#1
>
> They can say what they want. But you have to read to do it right.
>

I read over the Microsoft site that is mentioned on the little
sticker that comes on the cardboard folder containing the SP2 CD
as sent from Microsoft. The red sticker reads, "Before installing
SP2, go to www.microsoft.com/sp2install for latest
recommendations." So I did. Man, that is the most useless site
I've ever seen. All generalities, none of them of any application.

[Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)]

Al

What did they miss out?

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





"Al Smith" > wrote in message
...
>>>Microsoft lapdogs can say what they want about proper preparation
>>>> for SP2 and outdated drivers and wonky hardware and all the other
>>
>>
>> http://www.bootdisk.com/xptop20.htm#1
>>
>> They can say what they want. But you have to read to do it right.
>>
>
> I read over the Microsoft site that is mentioned on the little sticker
> that comes on the cardboard folder containing the SP2 CD as sent from
> Microsoft. The red sticker reads, "Before installing SP2, go to
> www.microsoft.com/sp2install for latest recommendations." So I did. Man,
> that is the most useless site I've ever seen. All generalities, none of
> them of any application.

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Try a Clean Install with slipstreamed Windows XP.
If the problems are still there you know it is most likely a hardware
problem.
If not it is most likely a conflict with your software.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
http://www.dts-l.org


"Al Smith" > wrote in message
...
> I read over the Microsoft site that is mentioned on the little sticker
> that comes on the cardboard folder containing the SP2 CD as sent from
> Microsoft. The red sticker reads, "Before installing SP2, go to
> www.microsoft.com/sp2install for latest recommendations." So I did. Man,
> that is the most useless site I've ever seen. All generalities, none of
> them of any application.

[Gordon]

Mike Hall (MS-MVP) wrote:
> Al
>
> What did they miss out?
>
>

Just having had a look at the site, the first step is called "get rid of
unwanted software". Now to most users that would say "get rid of software
that I installed and don't use" - it DOESN'T say - "Scan for Spyware,
malware and viruses using x, y and z programs"
I think that may be one of the problems - it's not explicit enough on what
the potental installer needs to do.


--
Interim Systems and Management Accounting
Gordon Burgess-Parker
Director
www.gbpcomputing.co.uk

[Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)]

Gordon

In view of the fact that some don't see Smiley Central, Comet Cursors or
Kazaa as a bad thing, I guess it is a little short on specifics.. :)

I think that maybe they were being too careful, too politically correct..

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





"Gordon" > wrote in message
...
> Mike Hall (MS-MVP) wrote:
>> Al
>>
>> What did they miss out?
>>
>>
>
> Just having had a look at the site, the first step is called "get rid of
> unwanted software". Now to most users that would say "get rid of software
> that I installed and don't use" - it DOESN'T say - "Scan for Spyware,
> malware and viruses using x, y and z programs"
> I think that may be one of the problems - it's not explicit enough on what
> the potental installer needs to do.
>
>
> --
> Interim Systems and Management Accounting
> Gordon Burgess-Parker
> Director
> www.gbpcomputing.co.uk
>
>

[Al Smith]

>>> I read over the Microsoft site that is mentioned on the little sticker
>>> that comes on the cardboard folder containing the SP2 CD as sent from
>>> Microsoft. The red sticker reads, "Before installing SP2, go to
>>> www.microsoft.com/sp2install for latest recommendations." So I did. Man,
>>> that is the most useless site I've ever seen. All generalities, none of
>>> them of any application.

> Al
>
> What did they miss out?
>
> -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/user


Well, let's take a look at the page.

Step 1: Check your computer for unwanted software.
-- Yes, this is sort of vague, but I knew what was meant. Do an
antivirus scan and scan for malware. I keep my computer squeaky
clean all the time so it doesn't really apply to me. I don't have
any viruses, trojans or malware on my computer. Notice that the
text doesn't tell you how to check, what to check for, or what to
use to check -- all it does is disclaim responsibility.

Step 2: Get the latest PC manufacturer updates for SP2.
-- Well, this is a good general idea. If you happen to have a
peripheral that was made to run under SP1, but won't run under
SP2, it's worth checking -- assuming you know what to check, and
where to look. No suggestions from Microsoft about that. The OEM
linkpage link is useless to me because I built the computer
myself. Since it's built from very up to date parts, I figure it's
unlikely there are any updates but I did not look, and should do so.

Step 3: Protect your important files.
-- Well, duh. A major upgrade to the operating system, and I have
to be told to backup my stuff, just in case? I did a full mirror
of the hard drive, and damned lucky for me that I did, because I
needed it.

Minimum Requirements
-- Didn't need the scan, my stuff is very up to date, and all
major vendor's products -- no weird cards. I easily meet minimum
requirements.

Tips for A Successful Installation

1) Is everyone logged off?
-- Doesn't apply, it is a stand-alone box, and I'm the only user.

2) Get the latest Windows Updates.
-- Not sure this is a good idea. Some updates came out after SP2.
My base system is SP1a, and it's got all critical updates up until
SP2 was released.

3) To Add yourself as Administrator.
-- Don't think this applies in my case since I'm the only person
using the box.

And that's it. That's the whole Help page on installing SP2
successfully. As I indicated, I didn't find it very helpful. Did I
comply with everything? Well, no. I haven't yet checked all the
hardware to see if there are any driver updates necessary for SP2,
so that could be the reason the install failed. That would be my
most likely candidate, although SP2 actually went on without any
trouble, and I was able to get into Windows afterwards without any
trouble also, and use it, but only a couple of times. Most times
it crashed hard on boot.