SP2 RAM Requirements??

[fred]

I have a 96MB Dell Inspiron 7500 with XP Home and it works but it's sluggish
probably due to VM thrashing. My questions is whether SP2 will exacerbate
the RAM shortage, leave it the same or make it better.

[Paul Smith]

"fred" > wrote in message
...
>I have a 96MB Dell Inspiron 7500 with XP Home and it works but it's
>sluggish probably due to VM thrashing. My questions is whether SP2 will
>exacerbate the RAM shortage, leave it the same or make it better.

It'll probably be around the same. But with RAM as cheap as it is put it up
to at least 256MB.

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[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Fred;
Probably no change.
Is there a reason your computer is so deficient in RAM.
You really should triple or more your RAM.
You may be surprised at the performance boost assuming the rest of the
computer is OK.
The Memory Advisor on this sight can help determine type of RAM:
http://www.crucial.com/

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"fred" > wrote in message
...
>I have a 96MB Dell Inspiron 7500 with XP Home and it works but it's
>sluggish probably due to VM thrashing. My questions is whether SP2 will
>exacerbate the RAM shortage, leave it the same or make it better.

[fred]

"Paul Smith" > wrote in message
...
> "fred" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I have a 96MB Dell Inspiron 7500 with XP Home and it works but it's
>>sluggish probably due to VM thrashing. My questions is whether SP2 will
>>exacerbate the RAM shortage, leave it the same or make it better.
>
> It'll probably be around the same. But with RAM as cheap as it is put it
> up to at least 256MB.

Right but a 256MB stick for an Inspiron 7500 is ~$80. You can get another
whole 7500 on Ebay for $150. More money after......

[fred]

"Greg Ro" > wrote in message
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> On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 01:54:56 GMT, "fred" > wrote:
>
>>I have a 96MB Dell Inspiron 7500 with XP Home and it works but it's
>>sluggish
>>probably due to VM thrashing. My questions is whether SP2 will exacerbate
>>the RAM shortage, leave it the same or make it better.
>>
> I notice some dells do that. I know at a work place, it takes
> forever for a Microsoft Office program to open up.
>
> If found out if you disable dep in boot.ini

What's "dep"?

> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home
> Edition" /fastdetect /NoExecute=AlwaysOff
>
> Just the last part after fastdetect /something=something to
> /NoExecute=AlwaysOff


A change in boot.ini settings greatly affects overall XP operation...please
explain.

> Then reboot.
>
> You may need remove the read only attribute from the boot.ini file
>
> Also real-one preinstalled player would also cause this.
>
> You can get real alternative from
> http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Real_Alternative.htm


OK so RealPlayer is there but it's the latest free one available form Real.
You're saying that has an overall effect on performance even while not
running??

[Ron Martell]

"fred" > wrote:

>
>What's "dep"?

Data Execution Prevention, a facility that prevents the execution of
program code from memory areas that are designated as being for the
storage of data. This helps to combat one of the major methods that
parasites use to infest and take control of computers.

Disabling it would weaken your computer's security from these
infestantations.

Hope this explains the situation.

Good luck


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
http://aumha.org/alex.htm

[fred]

"Ron Martell" > wrote in message
...
> "fred" > wrote:
>
>>
>>What's "dep"?
>
> Data Execution Prevention, a facility that prevents the execution of
> program code from memory areas that are designated as being for the
> storage of data. This helps to combat one of the major methods that
> parasites use to infest and take control of computers.
>
> Disabling it would weaken your computer's security from these
> infestantations.


OK. Now what does "Data Execution Prevention" have to do with
"multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home
Edition" /fastdetect /NoExecute=AlwaysOff"? AND what does either have to do
with sluggish performance? Was the above DEP setting in the registry
available in original XP? XP SP1?

[Travis King]

"Leythos" > wrote in message
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> In article >,
> says...
>> I have a 96MB Dell Inspiron 7500 with XP Home and it works but it's
>> sluggish
>> probably due to VM thrashing. My questions is whether SP2 will
>> exacerbate
>> the RAM shortage, leave it the same or make it better.
>
> Visit www.crucial.com and use their wizard to find more ram for your
> computer, it's cheap and with less than 256MB of RAM your machine is way
> under powered.
>
> --
>
>
> remove 999 in order to email me
It would depend on what you use your computer for, but you should really
upgrade to at least 256MB of RAM. If you are using it for more than just
basics, go for 512MB if your machine supports it.

[Jetro]

Do yourself a favor and trash your 128 MB PC100 RAM module. Replace it with
2x256 MB PC100 modules if you plan to use the laptop further and do it fast
because modern PC133 modules ain't backward compatible with PC100 modules
anymore (at least manufacturers state it) and PC100 price is jumping.
Another option is rolling back to WinMe or purchasing more powerful laptop.
If you cannot afford any investment, install Linux.

[Ken Blake]

In ,
fred > typed:

> I have a 96MB Dell Inspiron 7500 with XP Home and it works but
> it's
> sluggish probably due to VM thrashing.


Undoubtedly. 96MB is *way* too little for running XP, unless you
do nothing with it but play solitaire.

How much memory you need depends on what apps you run, but almost
everyone needs at least 256MB for decent performance. For some
people, for example those who edit large photographic images,
more than 256MB--even much more--can be required for good
performance.


> My questions is whether SP2
> will exacerbate the RAM shortage, leave it the same or make it
> better.


It certainly won't make it any better. It might make it slighly
worse, but my guess is that any difference would be small.


--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup

[fred]

"Ken Blake" > wrote in message
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> In ,
> fred > typed:
>
>> I have a 96MB Dell Inspiron 7500 with XP Home and it works but it's
>> sluggish probably due to VM thrashing.
>
>
> Undoubtedly. 96MB is *way* too little for running XP, unless you do
> nothing with it but play solitaire.


The problems is that I'm havin trouble talking myself into paying $80 for a
256MB stick for a laptop I can replace from Ebay for $150.

> How much memory you need depends on what apps you run, but almost everyone
> needs at least 256MB for decent performance. For some people, for example
> those who edit large photographic images, more than 256MB--even much
> more--can be required for good performance.
>
>
>> My questions is whether SP2
>> will exacerbate the RAM shortage, leave it the same or make it better.
>
>
> It certainly won't make it any better. It might make it slighly worse, but
> my guess is that any difference would be small.


THANKS for a straight answer to the question that this OP actually posed.
It came at the 14th post to this thread. Others take a HINT.

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

At least 2 others answered, did you read them?

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"fred" > wrote in message
news:uHAEe.27298$5N3.23@bgtnsc05-> THANKS for a straight answer to the
question that this OP actually posed.
> It came at the 14th post to this thread. Others take a HINT.

[fred]

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
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> At least 2 others answered, did you read them?

How about just NO.

Reread the thread.

The others didn't provide crisp and unclouded answer. You should take this
as a learning experience about proper Usenet professionalism.

> "fred" > wrote in message
> news:uHAEe.27298$5N3.23@bgtnsc05-> THANKS for a straight answer to the
> question that this OP actually posed.
>> It came at the 14th post to this thread. Others take a HINT.
>
>

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

There is little need to read the entire thread since you received multiple
similar answers early as well as Ken's.
If a definitive Yes or "NO" is what you wanted, you never got it.
Or were you meaning you did not read the answers?
The answers seem to agree, minimal to no difference with SP-2 and
suggestions for more memory before you made clear you did not want to spend
the $.

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Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"fred" > wrote in message
...
> How about just NO.
>
> Reread the thread.
>
> The others didn't provide crisp and unclouded answer. You should take
> this as a learning experience about proper Usenet professionalism.

[fred]

Obvious troll ignored.

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> There is little need to read the entire thread since you received multiple
> similar answers early as well as Ken's.
> If a definitive Yes or "NO" is what you wanted, you never got it.
> Or were you meaning you did not read the answers?
> The answers seem to agree, minimal to no difference with SP-2 and
> suggestions for more memory before you made clear you did not want to
> spend the $.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "fred" > wrote in message
> ...
>> How about just NO.
>>
>> Reread the thread.
>>
>> The others didn't provide crisp and unclouded answer. You should take
>> this as a learning experience about proper Usenet professionalism.
>
>

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Interesting answer since you clearly did not ignore the post.
Perhaps you should take the suggestion you gave earlier "...Usenet
professionalism.".

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"fred" > wrote in message
...
> Obvious troll ignored.
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
> ...
>> There is little need to read the entire thread since you received
>> multiple similar answers early as well as Ken's.
>> If a definitive Yes or "NO" is what you wanted, you never got it.
>> Or were you meaning you did not read the answers?
>> The answers seem to agree, minimal to no difference with SP-2 and
>> suggestions for more memory before you made clear you did not want to
>> spend the $.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>> http://www.dts-l.org

[fred]

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> Interesting answer since you clearly did not ignore the post.
> Perhaps you should take the suggestion you gave earlier "...Usenet
> professionalism.".

Case proved.

> "fred" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Obvious troll ignored.
>>
>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> There is little need to read the entire thread since you received
>>> multiple similar answers early as well as Ken's.
>>> If a definitive Yes or "NO" is what you wanted, you never got it.
>>> Or were you meaning you did not read the answers?
>>> The answers seem to agree, minimal to no difference with SP-2 and
>>> suggestions for more memory before you made clear you did not want to
>>> spend the $.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>>> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>

[DL]

It is not neccessary to buy ram from Dell, just use the config.tool from a
branded ram site, eg crucial etc

"fred" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "fred" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>I have a 96MB Dell Inspiron 7500 with XP Home and it works but it's
> >>sluggish probably due to VM thrashing. My questions is whether SP2 will
> >>exacerbate the RAM shortage, leave it the same or make it better.
> >
> > It'll probably be around the same. But with RAM as cheap as it is put
it
> > up to at least 256MB.
>
> Right but a 256MB stick for an Inspiron 7500 is ~$80. You can get another
> whole 7500 on Ebay for $150. More money after......
>
>

[Alan Smith]

"fred" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Interesting answer since you clearly did not ignore the post.
>> Perhaps you should take the suggestion you gave earlier "...Usenet
>> professionalism.".
>
> Case proved.
>

I can almost see your lip quivering. Awwwww........