WIndows Peeve

[Crazy Cat]

Anyone ever encounter a situation where some piece of software
locked up WIndows so hard that you couldn't perform a hard
reset --- there is ABSOLUTELY no reason that an OS should
have so much control of the computer that one can't perform
a HARD RESET. Am I alone in thinking this?

THanks for letting me get that off my chest

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There's one marked 'Brightness,' but it doesn't work.
- Gallagher

[kurttrail]

Crazy Cat wrote:
> Anyone ever encounter a situation where some piece of software
> locked up WIndows so hard that you couldn't perform a hard
> reset --- there is ABSOLUTELY no reason that an OS should
> have so much control of the computer that one can't perform
> a HARD RESET. Am I alone in thinking this?
>
> THanks for letting me get that off my chest

LOL! And what software locks up Windows to that point?

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[Bob I]

And "how" did you perform the "hard reset"?

Crazy Cat wrote:

> Anyone ever encounter a situation where some piece of software
> locked up WIndows so hard that you couldn't perform a hard
> reset --- there is ABSOLUTELY no reason that an OS should
> have so much control of the computer that one can't perform
> a HARD RESET. Am I alone in thinking this?
>
> THanks for letting me get that off my chest
>

[Yves Leclerc]

Soft Reset == Ctrl + Alt + Del ??

Hard Reset == Press and Hold the Power button???/

Full Reset === Pull the Plug!


"Bob I" > wrote in message
...
> And "how" did you perform the "hard reset"?
>
> Crazy Cat wrote:
>
>> Anyone ever encounter a situation where some piece of software
>> locked up WIndows so hard that you couldn't perform a hard
>> reset --- there is ABSOLUTELY no reason that an OS should
>> have so much control of the computer that one can't perform
>> a HARD RESET. Am I alone in thinking this?
>>
>> THanks for letting me get that off my chest
>>
>

[Steve N.]

Crazy Cat wrote:

> Anyone ever encounter a situation where some piece of software
> locked up WIndows so hard that you couldn't perform a hard
> reset --- there is ABSOLUTELY no reason that an OS should
> have so much control of the computer that one can't perform
> a HARD RESET. Am I alone in thinking this?
>
> THanks for letting me get that off my chest
>

Not possible. A hard reset (reset button) is entirely hardware related &
has absolutely nothing to do with software or OS.

Steve

[Crazy Cat]

Steve N. wrote:

> Crazy Cat wrote:
>
> > Anyone ever encounter a situation where some piece of software
> > locked up WIndows so hard that you couldn't perform a hard
> > reset --- there is ABSOLUTELY no reason that an OS should
> > have so much control of the computer that one can't perform
> > a HARD RESET. Am I alone in thinking this?
> >
> > THanks for letting me get that off my chest
> >
>
> Not possible. A hard reset (reset button) is entirely hardware
> related & has absolutely nothing to do with software or OS.
>

You are correct -- I guess my peeve is with the latest hardware
architectures which allow an OS to control the hardware such that
a hard reset (pushing the reset button, or power button) is ineffective.
All this so when I initiate a shutdown through the software, the
hardware also shuts down? Big whoop.

Thanks again,

> Steve



--
Don't you wish there were a knob on the TV to turn up the intelligence?
There's one marked 'Brightness,' but it doesn't work.
- Gallagher

[Crazy Cat]

Yves Leclerc wrote:

> Soft Reset == Ctrl + Alt + Del ??
>
> Hard Reset == Press and Hold the Power button???/
>
> Full Reset === Pull the Plug!
>
>
> "Bob I" > wrote in message
> ...
> > And "how" did you perform the "hard reset"?
> >
> > Crazy Cat wrote:
> >
> > > Anyone ever encounter a situation where some piece of software
> > > locked up WIndows so hard that you couldn't perform a hard
> > > reset --- there is ABSOLUTELY no reason that an OS should
> > > have so much control of the computer that one can't perform
> > > a HARD RESET. Am I alone in thinking this?
> > >
> > > THanks for letting me get that off my chest
> > >
> >

Exactamundo!

--
Don't you wish there were a knob on the TV to turn up the intelligence?
There's one marked 'Brightness,' but it doesn't work.
- Gallagher

[Asher_N]

"Crazy Cat" > wrote in news:OukdZZKxFHA.3892
@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:

The reset button will always work. It's the power button that is
dependent on the OS.

> Steve N. wrote:
>
>> Crazy Cat wrote:
>>
>> > Anyone ever encounter a situation where some piece of software
>> > locked up WIndows so hard that you couldn't perform a hard
>> > reset --- there is ABSOLUTELY no reason that an OS should
>> > have so much control of the computer that one can't perform
>> > a HARD RESET. Am I alone in thinking this?
>> >
>> > THanks for letting me get that off my chest
>> >
>>
>> Not possible. A hard reset (reset button) is entirely hardware
>> related & has absolutely nothing to do with software or OS.
>>
>
> You are correct -- I guess my peeve is with the latest hardware
> architectures which allow an OS to control the hardware such that
> a hard reset (pushing the reset button, or power button) is
ineffective.
> All this so when I initiate a shutdown through the software, the
> hardware also shuts down? Big whoop.
>
> Thanks again,
>
>> Steve
>
>
>

[\old\ devildog]

Check out your PSU (power supply unit). If the software is causing such a
lockup, it well may be the graphics card has caused the PSU to lock up. Most
PSU's made in the last few years will lock up to protect itself when
overheated or overstressed for current. If you are using a power hungry
graphics card, and it is overwhelmed by the software (is it locking up
running a game?), the PSU will lock up. The only way to reset is to pull the
plug (reset or power "button" will not shut it down). If this is the case,
the hardware is the fault. Check your PSU, I expect it is in the range of
300 to 400 watts. If so, it may not be up to powering the computer. Look
for at least a 450 watt PSU, a 500 watt is even better. They are easy to
replace, and it could solve the problem.

Also check to see if your fans and heat sinks are clean. Your processor can
also lock up when over heated. Make sure there is plenty of air flow inside
the case. If possible, reroute the wiring and bundle it up to allow better
air movement inside the case. Adding an extra fan or 2, to move more air is
a plus also. Heat is a major cause of locking up. Reduce the heat inside the
case and you will see a difference.

Your problem sounds more like a hardware problem and not a problem with the
OS you are using.
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"Asher_N" > wrote in message
48.16...
| "Crazy Cat" > wrote in news:OukdZZKxFHA.3892
| @TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:
|
| The reset button will always work. It's the power button that is
| dependent on the OS.
|
| > Steve N. wrote:
| >
| >> Crazy Cat wrote:
| >>
| >> > Anyone ever encounter a situation where some piece of software
| >> > locked up WIndows so hard that you couldn't perform a hard
| >> > reset --- there is ABSOLUTELY no reason that an OS should
| >> > have so much control of the computer that one can't perform
| >> > a HARD RESET. Am I alone in thinking this?
| >> >
| >> > THanks for letting me get that off my chest
| >> >
| >>
| >> Not possible. A hard reset (reset button) is entirely hardware
| >> related & has absolutely nothing to do with software or OS.
| >>
| >
| > You are correct -- I guess my peeve is with the latest hardware
| > architectures which allow an OS to control the hardware such that
| > a hard reset (pushing the reset button, or power button) is
| ineffective.
| > All this so when I initiate a shutdown through the software, the
| > hardware also shuts down? Big whoop.
| >
| > Thanks again,
| >
| >> Steve
| >
| >
| >
|

[Steve N.]

Crazy Cat wrote:

> Steve N. wrote:
>
>
>>Crazy Cat wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Anyone ever encounter a situation where some piece of software
>>>locked up WIndows so hard that you couldn't perform a hard
>>>reset --- there is ABSOLUTELY no reason that an OS should
>>>have so much control of the computer that one can't perform
>>>a HARD RESET. Am I alone in thinking this?
>>>
>>>THanks for letting me get that off my chest
>>>
>>
>>Not possible. A hard reset (reset button) is entirely hardware
>>related & has absolutely nothing to do with software or OS.
>>
>
>
> You are correct -- I guess my peeve is with the latest hardware
> architectures which allow an OS to control the hardware such that
> a hard reset (pushing the reset button, or power button) is ineffective.
> All this so when I initiate a shutdown through the software, the
> hardware also shuts down? Big whoop.
>
> Thanks again,
>
>
>>Steve

I have never seen a system that the OS had anything to say about the
hardware reset button.

Steve

[Les Herrman]

On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:03:02 -0700, "Steve N." >
wrote:

>Crazy Cat wrote:
>
>> Steve N. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Crazy Cat wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Anyone ever encounter a situation where some piece of software
>>>>locked up WIndows so hard that you couldn't perform a hard
>>>>reset --- there is ABSOLUTELY no reason that an OS should
>>>>have so much control of the computer that one can't perform
>>>>a HARD RESET. Am I alone in thinking this?
>>>>
>>>>THanks for letting me get that off my chest
>>>>
>>>
>>>Not possible. A hard reset (reset button) is entirely hardware
>>>related & has absolutely nothing to do with software or OS.
>>>
>>
>>
>> You are correct -- I guess my peeve is with the latest hardware
>> architectures which allow an OS to control the hardware such that
>> a hard reset (pushing the reset button, or power button) is ineffective.
>> All this so when I initiate a shutdown through the software, the
>> hardware also shuts down? Big whoop.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>


On most systems you have to press and hold the button for about 4
seconds for the system to shutdown. If you are just pressing it and
letting it go that will do nothing.

>>
>>>Steve
>
>I have never seen a system that the OS had anything to say about the
>hardware reset button.
>
>Steve

[Mike Mueller]

Correct- and that can be configured in the BIOS. The BIOS
has that in there for idiots who accidentally hit the power
button, or for those that have infants who press anytthing
they can


<Les Herrman> wrote in message
...
: On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:03:02 -0700, "Steve N."
>
: wrote:
:
: >Crazy Cat wrote:
: >
: >> Steve N. wrote:
: >>
: >>
: >>>Crazy Cat wrote:
: >>>
: >>>
: >>>>Anyone ever encounter a situation where some piece of
software
: >>>>locked up WIndows so hard that you couldn't perform a
hard
: >>>>reset --- there is ABSOLUTELY no reason that an OS
should
: >>>>have so much control of the computer that one can't
perform
: >>>>a HARD RESET. Am I alone in thinking this?
: >>>>
: >>>>THanks for letting me get that off my chest
: >>>>
: >>>
: >>>Not possible. A hard reset (reset button) is entirely
hardware
: >>>related & has absolutely nothing to do with software or
OS.
: >>>
: >>
: >>
: >> You are correct -- I guess my peeve is with the latest
hardware
: >> architectures which allow an OS to control the hardware
such that
: >> a hard reset (pushing the reset button, or power
button) is ineffective.
: >> All this so when I initiate a shutdown through the
software, the
: >> hardware also shuts down? Big whoop.
: >>
: >> Thanks again,
: >>
:
:
: On most systems you have to press and hold the button for
about 4
: seconds for the system to shutdown. If you are just
pressing it and
: letting it go that will do nothing.
:
: >>
: >>>Steve
: >
: >I have never seen a system that the OS had anything to
say about the
: >hardware reset button.
: >
: >Steve