How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of files to 96 dpi? [Archive]

Paul Baker

November 8th 05, 03:11 PM

You're both right, in a sense. And this situation is not unique to Paint.

Some image formats have the DPI is saved in the header of the file, some do
not. All image formats have the number of pixels saved in the header of the
file.

So, if the DPI is saved in the header of the file, the software that reads
it can know what the intended size in inches is and display it according. If
the DPI is not saved in the header of the file, it cannot, it is typically
assumed that the DPI is the same as the screen, which is most commonly 96
DPI.

Having said that, many programs don't care about this stuff. They just
display pixel for pixel what the picture looks like. Paint does this, and it
kind of has to because it intended to draw pixel by pixel so it is showing
you pixel by pixel.

What type of image is this (Bitmap, JPEG, GIF, etc?) Is Paint really
changing the DPI of the image, that is writing DPI=96x96 to the header of
the file and permanently changing it, or is it just not displaying it how
you would like?

Paul

"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
...
> Resolution is number of dots per inch. Pixel dimensions are the size in
> pixels. They are different things.
> If you think it is impossible, then try yourself, scan a A4 sheet with 600
> dpi resolution to a 1bit tif and try to print it from Paint with 100% size
> in the Page setup. Paint will print just 1/6 of the image.
> I did not write about size on screen, but about size on a printed paper.
> I do not want to "Select the print size", I want the Pain to print with
> the
> original size stated in a tif.
> "yves alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> ...
>> Pixel dimensions and resolution are the same thing!
>> Paint does not print anything 6+ times larger. Impossible.
>> What you see from Paint is the size that your image would occupy on your
>> screen, at 96 dpi, with the number of pixels contained in your image
>> file.
>> Nothing more and nothing less. Paint does not print anything. It simply
>> tranfers the file to your printer. Select the print size.
>> Get some free software from here to edit and print your images:
>> www.faststone.org
>> and forget about Paint.
>>
>> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >I did not write about pixel dimensions, I wrote about resolution. The
> Paint
>> > changes resolution and length dimensions of a scanned image, not pixel
>> > dimensions, therefore, Paint prints a 600 dpi image 6+ times larger.
>> > "Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
>> > ...
>> >> I don't think anything is wrong.
>> >> The 96 dpi displayed by Paint is simply your monitor display.
>> >> Open the Properties of the file and check the pixel dimensions of it.
> It
>> >> should have the same pixel dimensions as the original file, say,
>> >> something
>> >> like:
>> >> 1200 x 800.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > Hello
>> >> > How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files from 600
>> >> > to
>> >> > 96
>> >> > dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving them the
>> > files
>> >> > become 96 dpi.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Yves Alarie

November 8th 05, 03:47 PM

The problem comes from the fact that dpi (dot per inch, and used for
printing)) and ppi (pixel per inch and used for video display) are often
used interchangeably.
Say you have a photo at 5000 x 4000 pixels.
Your screen display is set at either 72 or 96 ppi.
Thus 5000/72= 69.4 and 4000/72= 55.5 inches.
This means that at 72 ppi, you could fill a screen of 69.4 x 55.5 inches.
The displayed photo would look pretty bad. Instead, the software works to
place this photo to fit your screen size, and it looks very good.

Now you want to print. Can you print at 69.4 x 55.5 inches. The answer is
yes (provided you have a printer that can do this), but the print would be
terrible.

To print, a rule of thumb is you need 300 dpi for a great print.
So for the above photo you have:
5000/300= 16.6 and 4000/300= 13.3 inches.
You can reduce this 300 dpi to about 200 dpi and still get a fairly good
print. Below 200 the quality will deteriorate rapidly.

So, with your tif file, look at the pixel dimensions of the file. This will
tell you (using 300 dpi as a start) how large a high quality print you can
make.

There is no reason to use Paint for editing or printing. It is just too old
and so much free software is available to do this much better.

"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
...
> Resolution is number of dots per inch. Pixel dimensions are the size in
> pixels. They are different things.
> If you think it is impossible, then try yourself, scan a A4 sheet with 600
> dpi resolution to a 1bit tif and try to print it from Paint with 100% size
> in the Page setup. Paint will print just 1/6 of the image.
> I did not write about size on screen, but about size on a printed paper.
> I do not want to "Select the print size", I want the Pain to print with
the
> original size stated in a tif.
> "yves alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> ...
> > Pixel dimensions and resolution are the same thing!
> > Paint does not print anything 6+ times larger. Impossible.
> > What you see from Paint is the size that your image would occupy on your
> > screen, at 96 dpi, with the number of pixels contained in your image
file.
> > Nothing more and nothing less. Paint does not print anything. It simply
> > tranfers the file to your printer. Select the print size.
> > Get some free software from here to edit and print your images:
> > www.faststone.org
> > and forget about Paint.
> >
> > "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >I did not write about pixel dimensions, I wrote about resolution. The
> Paint
> > > changes resolution and length dimensions of a scanned image, not pixel
> > > dimensions, therefore, Paint prints a 600 dpi image 6+ times larger.
> > > "Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> > > ...
> > >> I don't think anything is wrong.
> > >> The 96 dpi displayed by Paint is simply your monitor display.
> > >> Open the Properties of the file and check the pixel dimensions of it.
> It
> > >> should have the same pixel dimensions as the original file, say,
> > >> something
> > >> like:
> > >> 1200 x 800.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> > >> ...
> > >> > Hello
> > >> > How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files from 600
to
> > >> > 96
> > >> > dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving them
the
> > > files
> > >> > become 96 dpi.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Dmitry Kopnichev

November 8th 05, 04:10 PM

Yves.
Does the free software require to "Select the print size" too? Does not it
see original image size in centimeters or inches in tif file too? I want to
print with exactly the same size as the original scanned paper image, not
with the size which gives "a high quality print".
"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
...
> The problem comes from the fact that dpi (dot per inch, and used for
> printing)) and ppi (pixel per inch and used for video display) are often
> used interchangeably.
> Say you have a photo at 5000 x 4000 pixels.
> Your screen display is set at either 72 or 96 ppi.
> Thus 5000/72= 69.4 and 4000/72= 55.5 inches.
> This means that at 72 ppi, you could fill a screen of 69.4 x 55.5 inches.
> The displayed photo would look pretty bad. Instead, the software works to
> place this photo to fit your screen size, and it looks very good.
>
> Now you want to print. Can you print at 69.4 x 55.5 inches. The answer is
> yes (provided you have a printer that can do this), but the print would be
> terrible.
>
> To print, a rule of thumb is you need 300 dpi for a great print.
> So for the above photo you have:
> 5000/300= 16.6 and 4000/300= 13.3 inches.
> You can reduce this 300 dpi to about 200 dpi and still get a fairly good
> print. Below 200 the quality will deteriorate rapidly.
>
> So, with your tif file, look at the pixel dimensions of the file. This
will
> tell you (using 300 dpi as a start) how large a high quality print you can
> make.
>
> There is no reason to use Paint for editing or printing. It is just too
old
> and so much free software is available to do this much better.
>
>
> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Resolution is number of dots per inch. Pixel dimensions are the size in
> > pixels. They are different things.
> > If you think it is impossible, then try yourself, scan a A4 sheet with
600
> > dpi resolution to a 1bit tif and try to print it from Paint with 100%
size
> > in the Page setup. Paint will print just 1/6 of the image.
> > I did not write about size on screen, but about size on a printed paper.
> > I do not want to "Select the print size", I want the Pain to print with
> the
> > original size stated in a tif.
> > "yves alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> > ...
> > > Pixel dimensions and resolution are the same thing!
> > > Paint does not print anything 6+ times larger. Impossible.
> > > What you see from Paint is the size that your image would occupy on
your
> > > screen, at 96 dpi, with the number of pixels contained in your image
> file.
> > > Nothing more and nothing less. Paint does not print anything. It
simply
> > > tranfers the file to your printer. Select the print size.
> > > Get some free software from here to edit and print your images:
> > > www.faststone.org
> > > and forget about Paint.
> > >
> > > "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >I did not write about pixel dimensions, I wrote about resolution. The
> > Paint
> > > > changes resolution and length dimensions of a scanned image, not
pixel
> > > > dimensions, therefore, Paint prints a 600 dpi image 6+ times larger.
> > > > "Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> > > > ...
> > > >> I don't think anything is wrong.
> > > >> The 96 dpi displayed by Paint is simply your monitor display.
> > > >> Open the Properties of the file and check the pixel dimensions of
it.
> > It
> > > >> should have the same pixel dimensions as the original file, say,
> > > >> something
> > > >> like:
> > > >> 1200 x 800.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> > > >> ...
> > > >> > Hello
> > > >> > How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files from
600
> to
> > > >> > 96
> > > >> > dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving them
> the
> > > > files
> > > >> > become 96 dpi.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Yves Alarie

November 8th 05, 04:30 PM

No printing software "sees" centimeters or inches. The dimensions of an
image is in pixels only and this is the only thing the printing software
sees about your image. No inches or centimeters (see my answer to your
message of 5:44AM).

When you print, you must select a size in inches or centimeters. The
software takes the dimensions of your image in pixels and prints the size
you select.
For a very good print, take the dimensions of your image in pixels and
divide by 300 to get an idea of how large a print you can make, if you want
a smaller print than the answer below there is no problem.
So if the dimensions of your image are 5000 x 4000 pixels, you can print at
16.6 x 13.3 inches. You can reduce 300 down to 200 and still get a decent
print of a larger size. Below 200 the quality of the print will deteriorate
pretty quickly.
Faststone will give you the options such as "fit to page" or "specified
size". It will give you a "preview" of how the image will be printed on the
page by your printer.

However, there is another problem that you must solve before you print. You
must fit the aspect ratio of your image to the aspect ratio of the paper
size you select.

The aspect ratio is simply dividing the width by the height of the pixel
dimensions.
In the example above it would be 5000/4000= 1.25.
So if you print on 10 x 8 in. paper size, 10/8= 1.25 and the image will fit
perfectly.
If you print on 6 x 4 in. paper size, 6/4= 1.5. The image will not fit and
Faststone will show you (in the print preview window) how the image will be
automatically cropped to fit the size you selected. If this is not to your
liking. after you open the image with Faststone, use the crop tool. Crop the
image to the paper size you want to use, placing the crop where you want it,
then print using the paper size you cropped the image with. Faststone will
also let you save the cropped image, with no alteration to your original
file. Go with this option since you may want to print at a different size in
the future and you will want to crop the original image.

"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
...
> Yves.
> Do the free software from www.faststone.org treat pixel dimensions and
> resolution as the same things too? Do they require to "Select the print
> size" too? Do not they see original image size in centimeters or inches
too?
> "yves alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> ...
> > Pixel dimensions and resolution are the same thing!
> > Paint does not print anything 6+ times larger. Impossible.
> > What you see from Paint is the size that your image would occupy on your
> > screen, at 96 dpi, with the number of pixels contained in your image
file.
> > Nothing more and nothing less. Paint does not print anything. It simply
> > tranfers the file to your printer. Select the print size.
> > Get some free software from here to edit and print your images:
> > www.faststone.org
> > and forget about Paint.
> >
> > "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >I did not write about pixel dimensions, I wrote about resolution. The
> Paint
> > > changes resolution and length dimensions of a scanned image, not pixel
> > > dimensions, therefore, Paint prints a 600 dpi image 6+ times larger.
> > > "Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> > > ...
> > >> I don't think anything is wrong.
> > >> The 96 dpi displayed by Paint is simply your monitor display.
> > >> Open the Properties of the file and check the pixel dimensions of it.
> It
> > >> should have the same pixel dimensions as the original file, say,
> > >> something
> > >> like:
> > >> 1200 x 800.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> > >> ...
> > >> > Hello
> > >> > How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files from 600
to
> > >> > 96
> > >> > dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving them
the
> > > files
> > >> > become 96 dpi.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Uncle Joe

November 9th 05, 03:03 AM

Also check out almost everyone's favorite free Windows-based
image viewing/manipulation software known as IrfanView at:

http://www.irfanview.com

"Yves Alarie" > wrote in message ...
> No printing software "sees" centimeters or inches. The dimensions of an
> image is in pixels only and this is the only thing the printing software
> sees about your image. No inches or centimeters (see my answer to your
> message of 5:44AM).
>
> When you print, you must select a size in inches or centimeters. The
> software takes the dimensions of your image in pixels and prints the size
> you select.
> For a very good print, take the dimensions of your image in pixels and
> divide by 300 to get an idea of how large a print you can make, if you want
> a smaller print than the answer below there is no problem.
> So if the dimensions of your image are 5000 x 4000 pixels, you can print at
> 16.6 x 13.3 inches. You can reduce 300 down to 200 and still get a decent
> print of a larger size. Below 200 the quality of the print will deteriorate
> pretty quickly.
> Faststone will give you the options such as "fit to page" or "specified
> size". It will give you a "preview" of how the image will be printed on the
> page by your printer.
>
> However, there is another problem that you must solve before you print. You
> must fit the aspect ratio of your image to the aspect ratio of the paper
> size you select.
>
> The aspect ratio is simply dividing the width by the height of the pixel
> dimensions.
> In the example above it would be 5000/4000= 1.25.
> So if you print on 10 x 8 in. paper size, 10/8= 1.25 and the image will fit
> perfectly.
> If you print on 6 x 4 in. paper size, 6/4= 1.5. The image will not fit and
> Faststone will show you (in the print preview window) how the image will be
> automatically cropped to fit the size you selected. If this is not to your
> liking. after you open the image with Faststone, use the crop tool. Crop the
> image to the paper size you want to use, placing the crop where you want it,
> then print using the paper size you cropped the image with. Faststone will
> also let you save the cropped image, with no alteration to your original
> file. Go with this option since you may want to print at a different size in
> the future and you will want to crop the original image.
>
>
>
> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Yves.
>> Do the free software from www.faststone.org treat pixel dimensions and
>> resolution as the same things too? Do they require to "Select the print
>> size" too? Do not they see original image size in centimeters or inches
> too?
>> "yves alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
>> ...
>> > Pixel dimensions and resolution are the same thing!
>> > Paint does not print anything 6+ times larger. Impossible.
>> > What you see from Paint is the size that your image would occupy on your
>> > screen, at 96 dpi, with the number of pixels contained in your image
> file.
>> > Nothing more and nothing less. Paint does not print anything. It simply
>> > tranfers the file to your printer. Select the print size.
>> > Get some free software from here to edit and print your images:
>> > www.faststone.org
>> > and forget about Paint.
>> >
>> > "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > >I did not write about pixel dimensions, I wrote about resolution. The
>> Paint
>> > > changes resolution and length dimensions of a scanned image, not pixel
>> > > dimensions, therefore, Paint prints a 600 dpi image 6+ times larger.
>> > > "Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
>> > > ...
>> > >> I don't think anything is wrong.
>> > >> The 96 dpi displayed by Paint is simply your monitor display.
>> > >> Open the Properties of the file and check the pixel dimensions of it.
>> It
>> > >> should have the same pixel dimensions as the original file, say,
>> > >> something
>> > >> like:
>> > >> 1200 x 800.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
>> > >> ...
>> > >> > Hello
>> > >> > How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files from 600
> to
>> > >> > 96
>> > >> > dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving them
> the
>> > > files
>> > >> > become 96 dpi.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Yves Alarie

November 9th 05, 04:26 AM

True. But not for cropping and printing. You will do much better with
Faststone. Irfanview has been great and a favorite, no doubt. But now in
need of upgrading.

"Uncle Joe" > wrote in message
...
> Also check out almost everyone's favorite free Windows-based
> image viewing/manipulation software known as IrfanView at:
>
> http://www.irfanview.com
>
> "Yves Alarie" > wrote in message
...
> > No printing software "sees" centimeters or inches. The dimensions of an
> > image is in pixels only and this is the only thing the printing software
> > sees about your image. No inches or centimeters (see my answer to your
> > message of 5:44AM).
> >
> > When you print, you must select a size in inches or centimeters. The
> > software takes the dimensions of your image in pixels and prints the
size
> > you select.
> > For a very good print, take the dimensions of your image in pixels and
> > divide by 300 to get an idea of how large a print you can make, if you
want
> > a smaller print than the answer below there is no problem.
> > So if the dimensions of your image are 5000 x 4000 pixels, you can print
at
> > 16.6 x 13.3 inches. You can reduce 300 down to 200 and still get a
decent
> > print of a larger size. Below 200 the quality of the print will
deteriorate
> > pretty quickly.
> > Faststone will give you the options such as "fit to page" or "specified
> > size". It will give you a "preview" of how the image will be printed on
the
> > page by your printer.
> >
> > However, there is another problem that you must solve before you print.
You
> > must fit the aspect ratio of your image to the aspect ratio of the paper
> > size you select.
> >
> > The aspect ratio is simply dividing the width by the height of the pixel
> > dimensions.
> > In the example above it would be 5000/4000= 1.25.
> > So if you print on 10 x 8 in. paper size, 10/8= 1.25 and the image will
fit
> > perfectly.
> > If you print on 6 x 4 in. paper size, 6/4= 1.5. The image will not fit
and
> > Faststone will show you (in the print preview window) how the image will
be
> > automatically cropped to fit the size you selected. If this is not to
your
> > liking. after you open the image with Faststone, use the crop tool. Crop
the
> > image to the paper size you want to use, placing the crop where you want
it,
> > then print using the paper size you cropped the image with. Faststone
will
> > also let you save the cropped image, with no alteration to your original
> > file. Go with this option since you may want to print at a different
size in
> > the future and you will want to crop the original image.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Yves.
> >> Do the free software from www.faststone.org treat pixel dimensions and
> >> resolution as the same things too? Do they require to "Select the print
> >> size" too? Do not they see original image size in centimeters or inches
> > too?
> >> "yves alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> >> ...
> >> > Pixel dimensions and resolution are the same thing!
> >> > Paint does not print anything 6+ times larger. Impossible.
> >> > What you see from Paint is the size that your image would occupy on
your
> >> > screen, at 96 dpi, with the number of pixels contained in your image
> > file.
> >> > Nothing more and nothing less. Paint does not print anything. It
simply
> >> > tranfers the file to your printer. Select the print size.
> >> > Get some free software from here to edit and print your images:
> >> > www.faststone.org
> >> > and forget about Paint.
> >> >
> >> > "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> > >I did not write about pixel dimensions, I wrote about resolution.
The
> >> Paint
> >> > > changes resolution and length dimensions of a scanned image, not
pixel
> >> > > dimensions, therefore, Paint prints a 600 dpi image 6+ times
larger.
> >> > > "Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> >> > > ...
> >> > >> I don't think anything is wrong.
> >> > >> The 96 dpi displayed by Paint is simply your monitor display.
> >> > >> Open the Properties of the file and check the pixel dimensions of
it.
> >> It
> >> > >> should have the same pixel dimensions as the original file, say,
> >> > >> something
> >> > >> like:
> >> > >> 1200 x 800.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> >> > >> ...
> >> > >> > Hello
> >> > >> > How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files from
600
> > to
> >> > >> > 96
> >> > >> > dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving them
> > the
> >> > > files
> >> > >> > become 96 dpi.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Dmitry Kopnichev

November 9th 05, 07:19 AM

MS Photoeditor (which is Part of MS Office), Adobe Photoshop and others see
tif image size in centimeters or inches.
"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
...
> No printing software "sees" centimeters or inches. The dimensions of an
> image is in pixels only and this is the only thing the printing software
> sees about your image. No inches or centimeters (see my answer to your
> message of 5:44AM).
>
> When you print, you must select a size in inches or centimeters. The
> software takes the dimensions of your image in pixels and prints the size
> you select.
> For a very good print, take the dimensions of your image in pixels and
> divide by 300 to get an idea of how large a print you can make, if you
want
> a smaller print than the answer below there is no problem.
> So if the dimensions of your image are 5000 x 4000 pixels, you can print
at
> 16.6 x 13.3 inches. You can reduce 300 down to 200 and still get a decent
> print of a larger size. Below 200 the quality of the print will
deteriorate
> pretty quickly.
> Faststone will give you the options such as "fit to page" or "specified
> size". It will give you a "preview" of how the image will be printed on
the
> page by your printer.
>
> However, there is another problem that you must solve before you print.
You
> must fit the aspect ratio of your image to the aspect ratio of the paper
> size you select.
>
> The aspect ratio is simply dividing the width by the height of the pixel
> dimensions.
> In the example above it would be 5000/4000= 1.25.
> So if you print on 10 x 8 in. paper size, 10/8= 1.25 and the image will
fit
> perfectly.
> If you print on 6 x 4 in. paper size, 6/4= 1.5. The image will not fit and
> Faststone will show you (in the print preview window) how the image will
be
> automatically cropped to fit the size you selected. If this is not to your
> liking. after you open the image with Faststone, use the crop tool. Crop
the
> image to the paper size you want to use, placing the crop where you want
it,
> then print using the paper size you cropped the image with. Faststone will
> also let you save the cropped image, with no alteration to your original
> file. Go with this option since you may want to print at a different size
in
> the future and you will want to crop the original image.
>
>
>
> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Yves.
> > Do the free software from www.faststone.org treat pixel dimensions and
> > resolution as the same things too? Do they require to "Select the print
> > size" too? Do not they see original image size in centimeters or inches
> too?
> > "yves alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> > ...
> > > Pixel dimensions and resolution are the same thing!
> > > Paint does not print anything 6+ times larger. Impossible.
> > > What you see from Paint is the size that your image would occupy on
your
> > > screen, at 96 dpi, with the number of pixels contained in your image
> file.
> > > Nothing more and nothing less. Paint does not print anything. It
simply
> > > tranfers the file to your printer. Select the print size.
> > > Get some free software from here to edit and print your images:
> > > www.faststone.org
> > > and forget about Paint.
> > >
> > > "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >I did not write about pixel dimensions, I wrote about resolution. The
> > Paint
> > > > changes resolution and length dimensions of a scanned image, not
pixel
> > > > dimensions, therefore, Paint prints a 600 dpi image 6+ times larger.
> > > > "Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> > > > ...
> > > >> I don't think anything is wrong.
> > > >> The 96 dpi displayed by Paint is simply your monitor display.
> > > >> Open the Properties of the file and check the pixel dimensions of
it.
> > It
> > > >> should have the same pixel dimensions as the original file, say,
> > > >> something
> > > >> like:
> > > >> 1200 x 800.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> > > >> ...
> > > >> > Hello
> > > >> > How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files from
600
> to
> > > >> > 96
> > > >> > dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving them
> the
> > > > files
> > > >> > become 96 dpi.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Dmitry Kopnichev

November 9th 05, 07:21 AM

Study features of the tif file type.
"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
...
> No printing software "sees" centimeters or inches. The dimensions of an
> image is in pixels only and this is the only thing the printing software
> sees about your image. No inches or centimeters (see my answer to your
> message of 5:44AM).
>
> When you print, you must select a size in inches or centimeters. The
> software takes the dimensions of your image in pixels and prints the size
> you select.
> For a very good print, take the dimensions of your image in pixels and
> divide by 300 to get an idea of how large a print you can make, if you
want
> a smaller print than the answer below there is no problem.
> So if the dimensions of your image are 5000 x 4000 pixels, you can print
at
> 16.6 x 13.3 inches. You can reduce 300 down to 200 and still get a decent
> print of a larger size. Below 200 the quality of the print will
deteriorate
> pretty quickly.
> Faststone will give you the options such as "fit to page" or "specified
> size". It will give you a "preview" of how the image will be printed on
the
> page by your printer.
>
> However, there is another problem that you must solve before you print.
You
> must fit the aspect ratio of your image to the aspect ratio of the paper
> size you select.
>
> The aspect ratio is simply dividing the width by the height of the pixel
> dimensions.
> In the example above it would be 5000/4000= 1.25.
> So if you print on 10 x 8 in. paper size, 10/8= 1.25 and the image will
fit
> perfectly.
> If you print on 6 x 4 in. paper size, 6/4= 1.5. The image will not fit and
> Faststone will show you (in the print preview window) how the image will
be
> automatically cropped to fit the size you selected. If this is not to your
> liking. after you open the image with Faststone, use the crop tool. Crop
the
> image to the paper size you want to use, placing the crop where you want
it,
> then print using the paper size you cropped the image with. Faststone will
> also let you save the cropped image, with no alteration to your original
> file. Go with this option since you may want to print at a different size
in
> the future and you will want to crop the original image.
>
>
>
> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Yves.
> > Do the free software from www.faststone.org treat pixel dimensions and
> > resolution as the same things too? Do they require to "Select the print
> > size" too? Do not they see original image size in centimeters or inches
> too?
> > "yves alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> > ...
> > > Pixel dimensions and resolution are the same thing!
> > > Paint does not print anything 6+ times larger. Impossible.
> > > What you see from Paint is the size that your image would occupy on
your
> > > screen, at 96 dpi, with the number of pixels contained in your image
> file.
> > > Nothing more and nothing less. Paint does not print anything. It
simply
> > > tranfers the file to your printer. Select the print size.
> > > Get some free software from here to edit and print your images:
> > > www.faststone.org
> > > and forget about Paint.
> > >
> > > "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >I did not write about pixel dimensions, I wrote about resolution. The
> > Paint
> > > > changes resolution and length dimensions of a scanned image, not
pixel
> > > > dimensions, therefore, Paint prints a 600 dpi image 6+ times larger.
> > > > "Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> > > > ...
> > > >> I don't think anything is wrong.
> > > >> The 96 dpi displayed by Paint is simply your monitor display.
> > > >> Open the Properties of the file and check the pixel dimensions of
it.
> > It
> > > >> should have the same pixel dimensions as the original file, say,
> > > >> something
> > > >> like:
> > > >> 1200 x 800.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> > > >> ...
> > > >> > Hello
> > > >> > How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files from
600
> to
> > > >> > 96
> > > >> > dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving them
> the
> > > > files
> > > >> > become 96 dpi.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Dmitry Kopnichev

November 9th 05, 07:33 AM

If Faststone gives only "fit to page" or "specified size" for tif , not
original size, then Faststone does not suit my need.
"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
...
> No printing software "sees" centimeters or inches. The dimensions of an
> image is in pixels only and this is the only thing the printing software
> sees about your image. No inches or centimeters (see my answer to your
> message of 5:44AM).
>
> When you print, you must select a size in inches or centimeters. The
> software takes the dimensions of your image in pixels and prints the size
> you select.
> For a very good print, take the dimensions of your image in pixels and
> divide by 300 to get an idea of how large a print you can make, if you
want
> a smaller print than the answer below there is no problem.
> So if the dimensions of your image are 5000 x 4000 pixels, you can print
at
> 16.6 x 13.3 inches. You can reduce 300 down to 200 and still get a decent
> print of a larger size. Below 200 the quality of the print will
deteriorate
> pretty quickly.
> Faststone will give you the options such as "fit to page" or "specified
> size". It will give you a "preview" of how the image will be printed on
the
> page by your printer.
>
> However, there is another problem that you must solve before you print.
You
> must fit the aspect ratio of your image to the aspect ratio of the paper
> size you select.
>
> The aspect ratio is simply dividing the width by the height of the pixel
> dimensions.
> In the example above it would be 5000/4000= 1.25.
> So if you print on 10 x 8 in. paper size, 10/8= 1.25 and the image will
fit
> perfectly.
> If you print on 6 x 4 in. paper size, 6/4= 1.5. The image will not fit and
> Faststone will show you (in the print preview window) how the image will
be
> automatically cropped to fit the size you selected. If this is not to your
> liking. after you open the image with Faststone, use the crop tool. Crop
the
> image to the paper size you want to use, placing the crop where you want
it,
> then print using the paper size you cropped the image with. Faststone will
> also let you save the cropped image, with no alteration to your original
> file. Go with this option since you may want to print at a different size
in
> the future and you will want to crop the original image.
>
>
>
> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Yves.
> > Do the free software from www.faststone.org treat pixel dimensions and
> > resolution as the same things too? Do they require to "Select the print
> > size" too? Do not they see original image size in centimeters or inches
> too?
> > "yves alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> > ...
> > > Pixel dimensions and resolution are the same thing!
> > > Paint does not print anything 6+ times larger. Impossible.
> > > What you see from Paint is the size that your image would occupy on
your
> > > screen, at 96 dpi, with the number of pixels contained in your image
> file.
> > > Nothing more and nothing less. Paint does not print anything. It
simply
> > > tranfers the file to your printer. Select the print size.
> > > Get some free software from here to edit and print your images:
> > > www.faststone.org
> > > and forget about Paint.
> > >
> > > "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >I did not write about pixel dimensions, I wrote about resolution. The
> > Paint
> > > > changes resolution and length dimensions of a scanned image, not
pixel
> > > > dimensions, therefore, Paint prints a 600 dpi image 6+ times larger.
> > > > "Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> > > > ...
> > > >> I don't think anything is wrong.
> > > >> The 96 dpi displayed by Paint is simply your monitor display.
> > > >> Open the Properties of the file and check the pixel dimensions of
it.
> > It
> > > >> should have the same pixel dimensions as the original file, say,
> > > >> something
> > > >> like:
> > > >> 1200 x 800.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> > > >> ...
> > > >> > Hello
> > > >> > How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files from
600
> to
> > > >> > 96
> > > >> > dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving them
> the
> > > > files
> > > >> > become 96 dpi.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Dmitry Kopnichev

November 9th 05, 08:18 AM

http://public.kitware.com/pipermail/insight-users/2005-October/015355.html
"Note that when talking about the "image size" you *MUST* make
the distinction between the number of pixels in the image, and
the physical size of this image in millimeters once that you
take the pixel spacing into account."
"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
...
> No printing software "sees" centimeters or inches. The dimensions of an
> image is in pixels only and this is the only thing the printing software
> sees about your image. No inches or centimeters (see my answer to your
> message of 5:44AM).
>
> When you print, you must select a size in inches or centimeters. The
> software takes the dimensions of your image in pixels and prints the size
> you select.
> For a very good print, take the dimensions of your image in pixels and
> divide by 300 to get an idea of how large a print you can make, if you
want
> a smaller print than the answer below there is no problem.
> So if the dimensions of your image are 5000 x 4000 pixels, you can print
at
> 16.6 x 13.3 inches. You can reduce 300 down to 200 and still get a decent
> print of a larger size. Below 200 the quality of the print will
deteriorate
> pretty quickly.
> Faststone will give you the options such as "fit to page" or "specified
> size". It will give you a "preview" of how the image will be printed on
the
> page by your printer.
>
> However, there is another problem that you must solve before you print.
You
> must fit the aspect ratio of your image to the aspect ratio of the paper
> size you select.
>
> The aspect ratio is simply dividing the width by the height of the pixel
> dimensions.
> In the example above it would be 5000/4000= 1.25.
> So if you print on 10 x 8 in. paper size, 10/8= 1.25 and the image will
fit
> perfectly.
> If you print on 6 x 4 in. paper size, 6/4= 1.5. The image will not fit and
> Faststone will show you (in the print preview window) how the image will
be
> automatically cropped to fit the size you selected. If this is not to your
> liking. after you open the image with Faststone, use the crop tool. Crop
the
> image to the paper size you want to use, placing the crop where you want
it,
> then print using the paper size you cropped the image with. Faststone will
> also let you save the cropped image, with no alteration to your original
> file. Go with this option since you may want to print at a different size
in
> the future and you will want to crop the original image.
>
>
>
> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Yves.
> > Do the free software from www.faststone.org treat pixel dimensions and
> > resolution as the same things too? Do they require to "Select the print
> > size" too? Do not they see original image size in centimeters or inches
> too?
> > "yves alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> > ...
> > > Pixel dimensions and resolution are the same thing!
> > > Paint does not print anything 6+ times larger. Impossible.
> > > What you see from Paint is the size that your image would occupy on
your
> > > screen, at 96 dpi, with the number of pixels contained in your image
> file.
> > > Nothing more and nothing less. Paint does not print anything. It
simply
> > > tranfers the file to your printer. Select the print size.
> > > Get some free software from here to edit and print your images:
> > > www.faststone.org
> > > and forget about Paint.
> > >
> > > "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >I did not write about pixel dimensions, I wrote about resolution. The
> > Paint
> > > > changes resolution and length dimensions of a scanned image, not
pixel
> > > > dimensions, therefore, Paint prints a 600 dpi image 6+ times larger.
> > > > "Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> > > > ...
> > > >> I don't think anything is wrong.
> > > >> The 96 dpi displayed by Paint is simply your monitor display.
> > > >> Open the Properties of the file and check the pixel dimensions of
it.
> > It
> > > >> should have the same pixel dimensions as the original file, say,
> > > >> something
> > > >> like:
> > > >> 1200 x 800.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> > > >> ...
> > > >> > Hello
> > > >> > How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files from
600
> to
> > > >> > 96
> > > >> > dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving them
> the
> > > > files
> > > >> > become 96 dpi.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Yves Alarie

November 9th 05, 03:24 PM

The software you have does not see the image file in centimeter or inches.
It calculates it for you. It makes this calculation by simply taking the
dimensions of the image in pixels and divides this by an arbitrary number
such as 72 or 96 to yield and image size in inches.
Look at the pixel dimensions of your image and divide by 72 or 96 and you
will get the same answer.
But this is not good for printing.

"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
...
> MS Photoeditor (which is Part of MS Office), Adobe Photoshop and others
see
> tif image size in centimeters or inches.
> "Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> ...
> > No printing software "sees" centimeters or inches. The dimensions of an
> > image is in pixels only and this is the only thing the printing software
> > sees about your image. No inches or centimeters (see my answer to your
> > message of 5:44AM).
> >
> > When you print, you must select a size in inches or centimeters. The
> > software takes the dimensions of your image in pixels and prints the
size
> > you select.
> > For a very good print, take the dimensions of your image in pixels and
> > divide by 300 to get an idea of how large a print you can make, if you
> want
> > a smaller print than the answer below there is no problem.
> > So if the dimensions of your image are 5000 x 4000 pixels, you can print
> at
> > 16.6 x 13.3 inches. You can reduce 300 down to 200 and still get a
decent
> > print of a larger size. Below 200 the quality of the print will
> deteriorate
> > pretty quickly.
> > Faststone will give you the options such as "fit to page" or "specified
> > size". It will give you a "preview" of how the image will be printed on
> the
> > page by your printer.
> >
> > However, there is another problem that you must solve before you print.
> You
> > must fit the aspect ratio of your image to the aspect ratio of the paper
> > size you select.
> >
> > The aspect ratio is simply dividing the width by the height of the pixel
> > dimensions.
> > In the example above it would be 5000/4000= 1.25.
> > So if you print on 10 x 8 in. paper size, 10/8= 1.25 and the image will
> fit
> > perfectly.
> > If you print on 6 x 4 in. paper size, 6/4= 1.5. The image will not fit
and
> > Faststone will show you (in the print preview window) how the image will
> be
> > automatically cropped to fit the size you selected. If this is not to
your
> > liking. after you open the image with Faststone, use the crop tool. Crop
> the
> > image to the paper size you want to use, placing the crop where you want
> it,
> > then print using the paper size you cropped the image with. Faststone
will
> > also let you save the cropped image, with no alteration to your original
> > file. Go with this option since you may want to print at a different
size
> in
> > the future and you will want to crop the original image.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Yves.
> > > Do the free software from www.faststone.org treat pixel dimensions and
> > > resolution as the same things too? Do they require to "Select the
print
> > > size" too? Do not they see original image size in centimeters or
inches
> > too?
> > > "yves alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> > > ...
> > > > Pixel dimensions and resolution are the same thing!
> > > > Paint does not print anything 6+ times larger. Impossible.
> > > > What you see from Paint is the size that your image would occupy on
> your
> > > > screen, at 96 dpi, with the number of pixels contained in your image
> > file.
> > > > Nothing more and nothing less. Paint does not print anything. It
> simply
> > > > tranfers the file to your printer. Select the print size.
> > > > Get some free software from here to edit and print your images:
> > > > www.faststone.org
> > > > and forget about Paint.
> > > >
> > > > "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > >I did not write about pixel dimensions, I wrote about resolution.
The
> > > Paint
> > > > > changes resolution and length dimensions of a scanned image, not
> pixel
> > > > > dimensions, therefore, Paint prints a 600 dpi image 6+ times
larger.
> > > > > "Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
> ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> > > > > ...
> > > > >> I don't think anything is wrong.
> > > > >> The 96 dpi displayed by Paint is simply your monitor display.
> > > > >> Open the Properties of the file and check the pixel dimensions of
> it.
> > > It
> > > > >> should have the same pixel dimensions as the original file, say,
> > > > >> something
> > > > >> like:
> > > > >> 1200 x 800.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> > > > >> ...
> > > > >> > Hello
> > > > >> > How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files from
> 600
> > to
> > > > >> > 96
> > > > >> > dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving
them
> > the
> > > > > files
> > > > >> > become 96 dpi.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Dmitry Kopnichev

November 9th 05, 03:50 PM

MS Photoeditor, Adobe Photoshop and others divide dimensions in pixels not
by an arbitrary number, but by the original scan resolution in dpi. How to
make Paint read the original scan resolution in dpi from a tif file?
"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
...
> The software you have does not see the image file in centimeter or inches.
> It calculates it for you. It makes this calculation by simply taking the
> dimensions of the image in pixels and divides this by an arbitrary number
> such as 72 or 96 to yield and image size in inches.
> Look at the pixel dimensions of your image and divide by 72 or 96 and you
> will get the same answer.
> But this is not good for printing.
>
>
> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> ...
> > MS Photoeditor (which is Part of MS Office), Adobe Photoshop and others
> see
> > tif image size in centimeters or inches.
> > "Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> > ...
> > > No printing software "sees" centimeters or inches. The dimensions of
an
> > > image is in pixels only and this is the only thing the printing
software
> > > sees about your image. No inches or centimeters (see my answer to your
> > > message of 5:44AM).
> > >
> > > When you print, you must select a size in inches or centimeters. The
> > > software takes the dimensions of your image in pixels and prints the
> size
> > > you select.
> > > For a very good print, take the dimensions of your image in pixels and
> > > divide by 300 to get an idea of how large a print you can make, if you
> > want
> > > a smaller print than the answer below there is no problem.
> > > So if the dimensions of your image are 5000 x 4000 pixels, you can
print
> > at
> > > 16.6 x 13.3 inches. You can reduce 300 down to 200 and still get a
> decent
> > > print of a larger size. Below 200 the quality of the print will
> > deteriorate
> > > pretty quickly.
> > > Faststone will give you the options such as "fit to page" or
"specified
> > > size". It will give you a "preview" of how the image will be printed
on
> > the
> > > page by your printer.
> > >
> > > However, there is another problem that you must solve before you
print.
> > You
> > > must fit the aspect ratio of your image to the aspect ratio of the
paper
> > > size you select.
> > >
> > > The aspect ratio is simply dividing the width by the height of the
pixel
> > > dimensions.
> > > In the example above it would be 5000/4000= 1.25.
> > > So if you print on 10 x 8 in. paper size, 10/8= 1.25 and the image
will
> > fit
> > > perfectly.
> > > If you print on 6 x 4 in. paper size, 6/4= 1.5. The image will not fit
> and
> > > Faststone will show you (in the print preview window) how the image
will
> > be
> > > automatically cropped to fit the size you selected. If this is not to
> your
> > > liking. after you open the image with Faststone, use the crop tool.
Crop
> > the
> > > image to the paper size you want to use, placing the crop where you
want
> > it,
> > > then print using the paper size you cropped the image with. Faststone
> will
> > > also let you save the cropped image, with no alteration to your
original
> > > file. Go with this option since you may want to print at a different
> size
> > in
> > > the future and you will want to crop the original image.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Yves.
> > > > Do the free software from www.faststone.org treat pixel dimensions
and
> > > > resolution as the same things too? Do they require to "Select the
> print
> > > > size" too? Do not they see original image size in centimeters or
> inches
> > > too?
> > > > "yves alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> > > > ...
> > > > > Pixel dimensions and resolution are the same thing!
> > > > > Paint does not print anything 6+ times larger. Impossible.
> > > > > What you see from Paint is the size that your image would occupy
on
> > your
> > > > > screen, at 96 dpi, with the number of pixels contained in your
image
> > > file.
> > > > > Nothing more and nothing less. Paint does not print anything. It
> > simply
> > > > > tranfers the file to your printer. Select the print size.
> > > > > Get some free software from here to edit and print your images:
> > > > > www.faststone.org
> > > > > and forget about Paint.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > >I did not write about pixel dimensions, I wrote about resolution.
> The
> > > > Paint
> > > > > > changes resolution and length dimensions of a scanned image, not
> > pixel
> > > > > > dimensions, therefore, Paint prints a 600 dpi image 6+ times
> larger.
> > > > > > "Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
> > ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > >> I don't think anything is wrong.
> > > > > >> The 96 dpi displayed by Paint is simply your monitor display.
> > > > > >> Open the Properties of the file and check the pixel dimensions
of
> > it.
> > > > It
> > > > > >> should have the same pixel dimensions as the original file,
say,
> > > > > >> something
> > > > > >> like:
> > > > > >> 1200 x 800.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> > > > > >> ...
> > > > > >> > Hello
> > > > > >> > How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files
from
> > 600
> > > to
> > > > > >> > 96
> > > > > >> > dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving
> them
> > > the
> > > > > > files
> > > > > >> > become 96 dpi.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Bob I

November 9th 05, 05:21 PM

All tiff file formats are NOT the same. MS Paint will read SOME original
scan resolutions and not others. If you give it a format that it DOESN'T
read the "dpi" of, it DEFAULTS to 91 dpi. Simple as that. You CAN'T
change MS Paint, so YOU must use a tif format that the "dpi" is read.

Dmitry Kopnichev wrote:
> MS Photoeditor, Adobe Photoshop and others divide dimensions in pixels not
> by an arbitrary number, but by the original scan resolution in dpi. How to
> make Paint read the original scan resolution in dpi from a tif file?
> "Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> ...
>
>>The software you have does not see the image file in centimeter or inches.
>>It calculates it for you. It makes this calculation by simply taking the
>>dimensions of the image in pixels and divides this by an arbitrary number
>>such as 72 or 96 to yield and image size in inches.
>>Look at the pixel dimensions of your image and divide by 72 or 96 and you
>>will get the same answer.
>>But this is not good for printing.
>>
>>
>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>MS Photoeditor (which is Part of MS Office), Adobe Photoshop and others
>>
>>see
>>
>>>tif image size in centimeters or inches.
>>>"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
...
>>>
>>>>No printing software "sees" centimeters or inches. The dimensions of
>
> an
>
>>>>image is in pixels only and this is the only thing the printing
>
> software
>
>>>>sees about your image. No inches or centimeters (see my answer to your
>>>>message of 5:44AM).
>>>>
>>>>When you print, you must select a size in inches or centimeters. The
>>>>software takes the dimensions of your image in pixels and prints the
>>
>>size
>>
>>>>you select.
>>>>For a very good print, take the dimensions of your image in pixels and
>>>>divide by 300 to get an idea of how large a print you can make, if you
>>>
>>>want
>>>
>>>>a smaller print than the answer below there is no problem.
>>>>So if the dimensions of your image are 5000 x 4000 pixels, you can
>
> print
>
>>>at
>>>
>>>>16.6 x 13.3 inches. You can reduce 300 down to 200 and still get a
>>
>>decent
>>
>>>>print of a larger size. Below 200 the quality of the print will
>>>
>>>deteriorate
>>>
>>>>pretty quickly.
>>>>Faststone will give you the options such as "fit to page" or
>
> "specified
>
>>>>size". It will give you a "preview" of how the image will be printed
>
> on
>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>page by your printer.
>>>>
>>>>However, there is another problem that you must solve before you
>
> print.
>
>>>You
>>>
>>>>must fit the aspect ratio of your image to the aspect ratio of the
>
> paper
>
>>>>size you select.
>>>>
>>>>The aspect ratio is simply dividing the width by the height of the
>
> pixel
>
>>>>dimensions.
>>>>In the example above it would be 5000/4000= 1.25.
>>>>So if you print on 10 x 8 in. paper size, 10/8= 1.25 and the image
>
> will
>
>>>fit
>>>
>>>>perfectly.
>>>>If you print on 6 x 4 in. paper size, 6/4= 1.5. The image will not fit
>>
>>and
>>
>>>>Faststone will show you (in the print preview window) how the image
>
> will
>
>>>be
>>>
>>>>automatically cropped to fit the size you selected. If this is not to
>>
>>your
>>
>>>>liking. after you open the image with Faststone, use the crop tool.
>
> Crop
>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>image to the paper size you want to use, placing the crop where you
>
> want
>
>>>it,
>>>
>>>>then print using the paper size you cropped the image with. Faststone
>>
>>will
>>
>>>>also let you save the cropped image, with no alteration to your
>
> original
>
>>>>file. Go with this option since you may want to print at a different
>>
>>size
>>
>>>in
>>>
>>>>the future and you will want to crop the original image.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>>Yves.
>>>>>Do the free software from www.faststone.org treat pixel dimensions
>
> and
>
>>>>>resolution as the same things too? Do they require to "Select the
>>
>>print
>>
>>>>>size" too? Do not they see original image size in centimeters or
>>
>>inches
>>
>>>>too?
>>>>
>>>>>"yves alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
>
> ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
>
...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Pixel dimensions and resolution are the same thing!
>>>>>>Paint does not print anything 6+ times larger. Impossible.
>>>>>>What you see from Paint is the size that your image would occupy
>
> on
>
>>>your
>>>
>>>>>>screen, at 96 dpi, with the number of pixels contained in your
>
> image
>
>>>>file.
>>>>
>>>>>>Nothing more and nothing less. Paint does not print anything. It
>>>
>>>simply
>>>
>>>>>>tranfers the file to your printer. Select the print size.
>>>>>>Get some free software from here to edit and print your images:
>>>>>>www.faststone.org
>>>>>>and forget about Paint.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I did not write about pixel dimensions, I wrote about resolution.
>>
>>The
>>
>>>>>Paint
>>>>>
>>>>>>>changes resolution and length dimensions of a scanned image, not
>>>
>>>pixel
>>>
>>>>>>>dimensions, therefore, Paint prints a 600 dpi image 6+ times
>>
>>larger.
>>
>>>>>>>"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
>>>
>>>ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
>>>
...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I don't think anything is wrong.
>>>>>>>>The 96 dpi displayed by Paint is simply your monitor display.
>>>>>>>>Open the Properties of the file and check the pixel dimensions
>
> of
>
>>>it.
>>>
>>>>>It
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>should have the same pixel dimensions as the original file,
>
> say,
>
>>>>>>>>something
>>>>>>>>like:
>>>>>>>>1200 x 800.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hello
>>>>>>>>>How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files
>
> from
>
>>>600
>>>
>>>>to
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>96
>>>>>>>>>dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving
>>
>>them
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>>>files
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>become 96 dpi.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

RobertVA

November 10th 05, 02:29 AM

Dmitry Kopnichev wrote:
> Hello
> How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files from 600 to 96
> dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving them the files
> become 96 dpi.

Paint doesn't do DPI or image dimensions in real world dimensions like
inces or milimeters. It was written when printers would only do 300 DPI
and had to use a cluster of several of those dots to print very many
different colors. Thus it prints at some really low resolution like 75 DPI.

Paint is really a VERY PRIMATIVE demonstration application that comes
with Windows. Don't expect too much from it. If you want better
capabilities look for a bitmap editing application like Microsoft Photo
Editor, Corel Photopaint or JASC Paintshop (there are others I haven't
tried). It's common for such programs to come bundled with digital
cameras, scanners and Multi Function Devices (MFDs combo
scanner/printer/fax machine).

Dmitry Kopnichev

November 10th 05, 08:38 AM

The problem is - Even if Paint reads an original scan resolutions, it still
prints it as an image with 96 dpi resolution, not the original scan
resolutions, with different than the original size.
"Bob I" > ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
...
> All tiff file formats are NOT the same. MS Paint will read SOME original
> scan resolutions and not others. If you give it a format that it DOESN'T
> read the "dpi" of, it DEFAULTS to 91 dpi. Simple as that. You CAN'T
> change MS Paint, so YOU must use a tif format that the "dpi" is read.
>
> Dmitry Kopnichev wrote:
> > MS Photoeditor, Adobe Photoshop and others divide dimensions in pixels
not
> > by an arbitrary number, but by the original scan resolution in dpi. How
to
> > make Paint read the original scan resolution in dpi from a tif file?
> > "Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> > ...
> >
> >>The software you have does not see the image file in centimeter or
inches.
> >>It calculates it for you. It makes this calculation by simply taking the
> >>dimensions of the image in pixels and divides this by an arbitrary
number
> >>such as 72 or 96 to yield and image size in inches.
> >>Look at the pixel dimensions of your image and divide by 72 or 96 and
you
> >>will get the same answer.
> >>But this is not good for printing.
> >>
> >>
> >>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >>>MS Photoeditor (which is Part of MS Office), Adobe Photoshop and others
> >>
> >>see
> >>
> >>>tif image size in centimeters or inches.
> >>>"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> ...
> >>>
> >>>>No printing software "sees" centimeters or inches. The dimensions of
> >
> > an
> >
> >>>>image is in pixels only and this is the only thing the printing
> >
> > software
> >
> >>>>sees about your image. No inches or centimeters (see my answer to your
> >>>>message of 5:44AM).
> >>>>
> >>>>When you print, you must select a size in inches or centimeters. The
> >>>>software takes the dimensions of your image in pixels and prints the
> >>
> >>size
> >>
> >>>>you select.
> >>>>For a very good print, take the dimensions of your image in pixels and
> >>>>divide by 300 to get an idea of how large a print you can make, if you
> >>>
> >>>want
> >>>
> >>>>a smaller print than the answer below there is no problem.
> >>>>So if the dimensions of your image are 5000 x 4000 pixels, you can
> >
> > print
> >
> >>>at
> >>>
> >>>>16.6 x 13.3 inches. You can reduce 300 down to 200 and still get a
> >>
> >>decent
> >>
> >>>>print of a larger size. Below 200 the quality of the print will
> >>>
> >>>deteriorate
> >>>
> >>>>pretty quickly.
> >>>>Faststone will give you the options such as "fit to page" or
> >
> > "specified
> >
> >>>>size". It will give you a "preview" of how the image will be printed
> >
> > on
> >
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>>page by your printer.
> >>>>
> >>>>However, there is another problem that you must solve before you
> >
> > print.
> >
> >>>You
> >>>
> >>>>must fit the aspect ratio of your image to the aspect ratio of the
> >
> > paper
> >
> >>>>size you select.
> >>>>
> >>>>The aspect ratio is simply dividing the width by the height of the
> >
> > pixel
> >
> >>>>dimensions.
> >>>>In the example above it would be 5000/4000= 1.25.
> >>>>So if you print on 10 x 8 in. paper size, 10/8= 1.25 and the image
> >
> > will
> >
> >>>fit
> >>>
> >>>>perfectly.
> >>>>If you print on 6 x 4 in. paper size, 6/4= 1.5. The image will not fit
> >>
> >>and
> >>
> >>>>Faststone will show you (in the print preview window) how the image
> >
> > will
> >
> >>>be
> >>>
> >>>>automatically cropped to fit the size you selected. If this is not to
> >>
> >>your
> >>
> >>>>liking. after you open the image with Faststone, use the crop tool.
> >
> > Crop
> >
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>>image to the paper size you want to use, placing the crop where you
> >
> > want
> >
> >>>it,
> >>>
> >>>>then print using the paper size you cropped the image with. Faststone
> >>
> >>will
> >>
> >>>>also let you save the cropped image, with no alteration to your
> >
> > original
> >
> >>>>file. Go with this option since you may want to print at a different
> >>
> >>size
> >>
> >>>in
> >>>
> >>>>the future and you will want to crop the original image.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>
> >>>>>Yves.
> >>>>>Do the free software from www.faststone.org treat pixel dimensions
> >
> > and
> >
> >>>>>resolution as the same things too? Do they require to "Select the
> >>
> >>print
> >>
> >>>>>size" too? Do not they see original image size in centimeters or
> >>
> >>inches
> >>
> >>>>too?
> >>>>
> >>>>>"yves alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
> >
> > ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> >
> ...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Pixel dimensions and resolution are the same thing!
> >>>>>>Paint does not print anything 6+ times larger. Impossible.
> >>>>>>What you see from Paint is the size that your image would occupy
> >
> > on
> >
> >>>your
> >>>
> >>>>>>screen, at 96 dpi, with the number of pixels contained in your
> >
> > image
> >
> >>>>file.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>Nothing more and nothing less. Paint does not print anything. It
> >>>
> >>>simply
> >>>
> >>>>>>tranfers the file to your printer. Select the print size.
> >>>>>>Get some free software from here to edit and print your images:
> >>>>>>www.faststone.org
> >>>>>>and forget about Paint.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I did not write about pixel dimensions, I wrote about resolution.
> >>
> >>The
> >>
> >>>>>Paint
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>changes resolution and length dimensions of a scanned image, not
> >>>
> >>>pixel
> >>>
> >>>>>>>dimensions, therefore, Paint prints a 600 dpi image 6+ times
> >>
> >>larger.
> >>
> >>>>>>>"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
> >>>
> >>>ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> >>>
> ...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I don't think anything is wrong.
> >>>>>>>>The 96 dpi displayed by Paint is simply your monitor display.
> >>>>>>>>Open the Properties of the file and check the pixel dimensions
> >
> > of
> >
> >>>it.
> >>>
> >>>>>It
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>should have the same pixel dimensions as the original file,
> >
> > say,
> >
> >>>>>>>>something
> >>>>>>>>like:
> >>>>>>>>1200 x 800.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Hello
> >>>>>>>>>How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files
> >
> > from
> >
> >>>600
> >>>
> >>>>to
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>96
> >>>>>>>>>dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving
> >>
> >>them
> >>
> >>>>the
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>files
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>become 96 dpi.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>

Dmitry Kopnichev

November 10th 05, 08:42 AM

Microsoft Photo Editor does not have an Eraser and a Pencil tools, does it?
"RobertVA" > ???????/???????? ? ????????
?????????: ...
> Dmitry Kopnichev wrote:
> > Hello
> > How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files from 600 to 96
> > dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving them the
files
> > become 96 dpi.
>
> Paint doesn't do DPI or image dimensions in real world dimensions like
> inces or milimeters. It was written when printers would only do 300 DPI
> and had to use a cluster of several of those dots to print very many
> different colors. Thus it prints at some really low resolution like 75
DPI.
>
> Paint is really a VERY PRIMATIVE demonstration application that comes
> with Windows. Don't expect too much from it. If you want better
> capabilities look for a bitmap editing application like Microsoft Photo
> Editor, Corel Photopaint or JASC Paintshop (there are others I haven't
> tried). It's common for such programs to come bundled with digital
> cameras, scanners and Multi Function Devices (MFDs combo
> scanner/printer/fax machine).
>

Dmitry Kopnichev

November 10th 05, 08:48 AM

What is an intuitively understandable program with MS Paint capabilities,
which prints with an original scan resolution?
"RobertVA" > ???????/???????? ? ????????
?????????: ...
> Dmitry Kopnichev wrote:
> > Hello
> > How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files from 600 to 96
> > dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving them the
files
> > become 96 dpi.
>
> Paint doesn't do DPI or image dimensions in real world dimensions like
> inces or milimeters. It was written when printers would only do 300 DPI
> and had to use a cluster of several of those dots to print very many
> different colors. Thus it prints at some really low resolution like 75
DPI.
>
> Paint is really a VERY PRIMATIVE demonstration application that comes
> with Windows. Don't expect too much from it. If you want better
> capabilities look for a bitmap editing application like Microsoft Photo
> Editor, Corel Photopaint or JASC Paintshop (there are others I haven't
> tried). It's common for such programs to come bundled with digital
> cameras, scanners and Multi Function Devices (MFDs combo
> scanner/printer/fax machine).
>

Bob I

November 10th 05, 04:31 PM

If the "print size" is the issue, go into Page Setup and set the scale.
if it prints at 96 and the original was 300 dpi 300/96*100=312%

Dmitry Kopnichev wrote:

> The problem is - Even if Paint reads an original scan resolutions, it still
> prints it as an image with 96 dpi resolution, not the original scan
> resolutions, with different than the original size.
> "Bob I" > ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
> ...
>
>>All tiff file formats are NOT the same. MS Paint will read SOME original
>>scan resolutions and not others. If you give it a format that it DOESN'T
>>read the "dpi" of, it DEFAULTS to 91 dpi. Simple as that. You CAN'T
>>change MS Paint, so YOU must use a tif format that the "dpi" is read.
>>
>>Dmitry Kopnichev wrote:
>>
>>>MS Photoeditor, Adobe Photoshop and others divide dimensions in pixels
>
> not
>
>>>by an arbitrary number, but by the original scan resolution in dpi. How
>
> to
>
>>>make Paint read the original scan resolution in dpi from a tif file?
>>>"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>The software you have does not see the image file in centimeter or
>
> inches.
>
>>>>It calculates it for you. It makes this calculation by simply taking the
>>>>dimensions of the image in pixels and divides this by an arbitrary
>
> number
>
>>>>such as 72 or 96 to yield and image size in inches.
>>>>Look at the pixel dimensions of your image and divide by 72 or 96 and
>
> you
>
>>>>will get the same answer.
>>>>But this is not good for printing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>MS Photoeditor (which is Part of MS Office), Adobe Photoshop and others
>>>>
>>>>see
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>tif image size in centimeters or inches.
>>>>>"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>No printing software "sees" centimeters or inches. The dimensions of
>>>
>>>an
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>image is in pixels only and this is the only thing the printing
>>>
>>>software
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>sees about your image. No inches or centimeters (see my answer to your
>>>>>>message of 5:44AM).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When you print, you must select a size in inches or centimeters. The
>>>>>>software takes the dimensions of your image in pixels and prints the
>>>>
>>>>size
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>you select.
>>>>>>For a very good print, take the dimensions of your image in pixels and
>>>>>>divide by 300 to get an idea of how large a print you can make, if you
>>>>>
>>>>>want
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>a smaller print than the answer below there is no problem.
>>>>>>So if the dimensions of your image are 5000 x 4000 pixels, you can
>>>
>>>print
>>>
>>>
>>>>>at
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>16.6 x 13.3 inches. You can reduce 300 down to 200 and still get a
>>>>
>>>>decent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>print of a larger size. Below 200 the quality of the print will
>>>>>
>>>>>deteriorate
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>pretty quickly.
>>>>>>Faststone will give you the options such as "fit to page" or
>>>
>>>"specified
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>size". It will give you a "preview" of how the image will be printed
>>>
>>>on
>>>
>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>page by your printer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>However, there is another problem that you must solve before you
>>>
>>>print.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>You
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>must fit the aspect ratio of your image to the aspect ratio of the
>>>
>>>paper
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>size you select.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The aspect ratio is simply dividing the width by the height of the
>>>
>>>pixel
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>dimensions.
>>>>>>In the example above it would be 5000/4000= 1.25.
>>>>>>So if you print on 10 x 8 in. paper size, 10/8= 1.25 and the image
>>>
>>>will
>>>
>>>
>>>>>fit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>perfectly.
>>>>>>If you print on 6 x 4 in. paper size, 6/4= 1.5. The image will not fit
>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Faststone will show you (in the print preview window) how the image
>>>
>>>will
>>>
>>>
>>>>>be
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>automatically cropped to fit the size you selected. If this is not to
>>>>
>>>>your
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>liking. after you open the image with Faststone, use the crop tool.
>>>
>>>Crop
>>>
>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>image to the paper size you want to use, placing the crop where you
>>>
>>>want
>>>
>>>
>>>>>it,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>then print using the paper size you cropped the image with. Faststone
>>>>
>>>>will
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>also let you save the cropped image, with no alteration to your
>>>
>>>original
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>file. Go with this option since you may want to print at a different
>>>>
>>>>size
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>in
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>the future and you will want to crop the original image.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yves.
>>>>>>>Do the free software from www.faststone.org treat pixel dimensions
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>resolution as the same things too? Do they require to "Select the
>>>>
>>>>print
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>size" too? Do not they see original image size in centimeters or
>>>>
>>>>inches
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>too?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"yves alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
>>>
>>>ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
>>>
>>>
...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Pixel dimensions and resolution are the same thing!
>>>>>>>>Paint does not print anything 6+ times larger. Impossible.
>>>>>>>>What you see from Paint is the size that your image would occupy
>>>
>>>on
>>>
>>>
>>>>>your
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>screen, at 96 dpi, with the number of pixels contained in your
>>>
>>>image
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Nothing more and nothing less. Paint does not print anything. It
>>>>>
>>>>>simply
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>tranfers the file to your printer. Select the print size.
>>>>>>>>Get some free software from here to edit and print your images:
>>>>>>>>www.faststone.org
>>>>>>>>and forget about Paint.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I did not write about pixel dimensions, I wrote about resolution.
>>>>
>>>>The
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>Paint
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>changes resolution and length dimensions of a scanned image, not
>>>>>
>>>>>pixel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>dimensions, therefore, Paint prints a 600 dpi image 6+ times
>>>>
>>>>larger.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
>>>>>
>>>>>ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
>>>>>
>>>>>
...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I don't think anything is wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>The 96 dpi displayed by Paint is simply your monitor display.
>>>>>>>>>>Open the Properties of the file and check the pixel dimensions
>>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>It
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>should have the same pixel dimensions as the original file,
>>>
>>>say,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>something
>>>>>>>>>>like:
>>>>>>>>>>1200 x 800.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Hello
>>>>>>>>>>>How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files
>>>
>>>from
>>>
>>>
>>>>>600
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>96
>>>>>>>>>>>dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving
>>>>
>>>>them
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>files
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>become 96 dpi.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>
>

Yves Alarie

November 10th 05, 09:27 PM

I all you want is the MS Paint editing capabilities, then edit with MS Paint
and save the edited file.
Then open the folder where you saved the file, click on it to select it
(highlight file name in blue) and look at the menu on the left and click on
Print this file. The XP print wizard will open, follow directions including
the printer set up preferences, click on print and you are done.
"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
...
> What is an intuitively understandable program with MS Paint capabilities,
> which prints with an original scan resolution?
> "RobertVA" > ???????/???????? ? ????????
> ?????????: ...
> > Dmitry Kopnichev wrote:
> > > Hello
> > > How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files from 600 to
96
> > > dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving them the
> files
> > > become 96 dpi.
> >
> > Paint doesn't do DPI or image dimensions in real world dimensions like
> > inces or milimeters. It was written when printers would only do 300 DPI
> > and had to use a cluster of several of those dots to print very many
> > different colors. Thus it prints at some really low resolution like 75
> DPI.
> >
> > Paint is really a VERY PRIMATIVE demonstration application that comes
> > with Windows. Don't expect too much from it. If you want better
> > capabilities look for a bitmap editing application like Microsoft Photo
> > Editor, Corel Photopaint or JASC Paintshop (there are others I haven't
> > tried). It's common for such programs to come bundled with digital
> > cameras, scanners and Multi Function Devices (MFDs combo
> > scanner/printer/fax machine).
> >
>
>

Dmitry Kopnichev

November 11th 05, 07:32 AM

I think that Paint prints with ABOUT 96 dpi. How to know the exact
resolution which Paint uses for printing?
"Bob I" > ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
...
> If the "print size" is the issue, go into Page Setup and set the scale.
> if it prints at 96 and the original was 300 dpi 300/96*100=312%
>
> Dmitry Kopnichev wrote:
>
> > The problem is - Even if Paint reads an original scan resolutions, it
still
> > prints it as an image with 96 dpi resolution, not the original scan
> > resolutions, with different than the original size.
> > "Bob I" > ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
> > ...
> >
> >>All tiff file formats are NOT the same. MS Paint will read SOME original
> >>scan resolutions and not others. If you give it a format that it DOESN'T
> >>read the "dpi" of, it DEFAULTS to 91 dpi. Simple as that. You CAN'T
> >>change MS Paint, so YOU must use a tif format that the "dpi" is read.
> >>
> >>Dmitry Kopnichev wrote:
> >>
> >>>MS Photoeditor, Adobe Photoshop and others divide dimensions in pixels
> >
> > not
> >
> >>>by an arbitrary number, but by the original scan resolution in dpi. How
> >
> > to
> >
> >>>make Paint read the original scan resolution in dpi from a tif file?
> >>>"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> ...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>The software you have does not see the image file in centimeter or
> >
> > inches.
> >
> >>>>It calculates it for you. It makes this calculation by simply taking
the
> >>>>dimensions of the image in pixels and divides this by an arbitrary
> >
> > number
> >
> >>>>such as 72 or 96 to yield and image size in inches.
> >>>>Look at the pixel dimensions of your image and divide by 72 or 96 and
> >
> > you
> >
> >>>>will get the same answer.
> >>>>But this is not good for printing.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>MS Photoeditor (which is Part of MS Office), Adobe Photoshop and
others
> >>>>
> >>>>see
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>tif image size in centimeters or inches.
> >>>>>"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> ...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>No printing software "sees" centimeters or inches. The dimensions of
> >>>
> >>>an
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>image is in pixels only and this is the only thing the printing
> >>>
> >>>software
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>sees about your image. No inches or centimeters (see my answer to
your
> >>>>>>message of 5:44AM).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>When you print, you must select a size in inches or centimeters. The
> >>>>>>software takes the dimensions of your image in pixels and prints the
> >>>>
> >>>>size
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>you select.
> >>>>>>For a very good print, take the dimensions of your image in pixels
and
> >>>>>>divide by 300 to get an idea of how large a print you can make, if
you
> >>>>>
> >>>>>want
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>a smaller print than the answer below there is no problem.
> >>>>>>So if the dimensions of your image are 5000 x 4000 pixels, you can
> >>>
> >>>print
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>at
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>16.6 x 13.3 inches. You can reduce 300 down to 200 and still get a
> >>>>
> >>>>decent
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>print of a larger size. Below 200 the quality of the print will
> >>>>>
> >>>>>deteriorate
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>pretty quickly.
> >>>>>>Faststone will give you the options such as "fit to page" or
> >>>
> >>>"specified
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>size". It will give you a "preview" of how the image will be printed
> >>>
> >>>on
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>page by your printer.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>However, there is another problem that you must solve before you
> >>>
> >>>print.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>You
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>must fit the aspect ratio of your image to the aspect ratio of the
> >>>
> >>>paper
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>size you select.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>The aspect ratio is simply dividing the width by the height of the
> >>>
> >>>pixel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>dimensions.
> >>>>>>In the example above it would be 5000/4000= 1.25.
> >>>>>>So if you print on 10 x 8 in. paper size, 10/8= 1.25 and the image
> >>>
> >>>will
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>fit
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>perfectly.
> >>>>>>If you print on 6 x 4 in. paper size, 6/4= 1.5. The image will not
fit
> >>>>
> >>>>and
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>Faststone will show you (in the print preview window) how the image
> >>>
> >>>will
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>be
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>automatically cropped to fit the size you selected. If this is not
to
> >>>>
> >>>>your
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>liking. after you open the image with Faststone, use the crop tool.
> >>>
> >>>Crop
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>image to the paper size you want to use, placing the crop where you
> >>>
> >>>want
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>it,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>then print using the paper size you cropped the image with.
Faststone
> >>>>
> >>>>will
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>also let you save the cropped image, with no alteration to your
> >>>
> >>>original
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>file. Go with this option since you may want to print at a different
> >>>>
> >>>>size
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>in
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>the future and you will want to crop the original image.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Yves.
> >>>>>>>Do the free software from www.faststone.org treat pixel dimensions
> >>>
> >>>and
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>resolution as the same things too? Do they require to "Select the
> >>>>
> >>>>print
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>size" too? Do not they see original image size in centimeters or
> >>>>
> >>>>inches
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>too?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"yves alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
> >>>
> >>>ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> >>>
> >>>
> ...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Pixel dimensions and resolution are the same thing!
> >>>>>>>>Paint does not print anything 6+ times larger. Impossible.
> >>>>>>>>What you see from Paint is the size that your image would occupy
> >>>
> >>>on
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>your
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>screen, at 96 dpi, with the number of pixels contained in your
> >>>
> >>>image
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>file.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Nothing more and nothing less. Paint does not print anything. It
> >>>>>
> >>>>>simply
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>tranfers the file to your printer. Select the print size.
> >>>>>>>>Get some free software from here to edit and print your images:
> >>>>>>>>www.faststone.org
> >>>>>>>>and forget about Paint.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>I did not write about pixel dimensions, I wrote about resolution.
> >>>>
> >>>>The
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>Paint
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>changes resolution and length dimensions of a scanned image, not
> >>>>>
> >>>>>pixel
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>dimensions, therefore, Paint prints a 600 dpi image 6+ times
> >>>>
> >>>>larger.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
> >>>>>
> >>>>>ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> ...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>I don't think anything is wrong.
> >>>>>>>>>>The 96 dpi displayed by Paint is simply your monitor display.
> >>>>>>>>>>Open the Properties of the file and check the pixel dimensions
> >>>
> >>>of
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>It
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>should have the same pixel dimensions as the original file,
> >>>
> >>>say,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>something
> >>>>>>>>>>like:
> >>>>>>>>>>1200 x 800.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Hello
> >>>>>>>>>>>How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files
> >>>
> >>>from
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>600
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>to
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>96
> >>>>>>>>>>>dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving
> >>>>
> >>>>them
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>files
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>become 96 dpi.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >
> >
>

Dmitry Kopnichev

November 11th 05, 07:38 AM

The XP print wizard does not print with an original scan size or resolution.
It just fits an image or images to a page.
"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
...
> I all you want is the MS Paint editing capabilities, then edit with MS
Paint
> and save the edited file.
> Then open the folder where you saved the file, click on it to select it
> (highlight file name in blue) and look at the menu on the left and click
on
> Print this file. The XP print wizard will open, follow directions
including
> the printer set up preferences, click on print and you are done.
> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> ...
> > What is an intuitively understandable program with MS Paint
capabilities,
> > which prints with an original scan resolution?
> > "RobertVA" > ???????/???????? ? ????????
> > ?????????: ...
> > > Dmitry Kopnichev wrote:
> > > > Hello
> > > > How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files from 600
to
> 96
> > > > dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving them the
> > files
> > > > become 96 dpi.
> > >
> > > Paint doesn't do DPI or image dimensions in real world dimensions like
> > > inces or milimeters. It was written when printers would only do 300
DPI
> > > and had to use a cluster of several of those dots to print very many
> > > different colors. Thus it prints at some really low resolution like 75
> > DPI.
> > >
> > > Paint is really a VERY PRIMATIVE demonstration application that comes
> > > with Windows. Don't expect too much from it. If you want better
> > > capabilities look for a bitmap editing application like Microsoft
Photo
> > > Editor, Corel Photopaint or JASC Paintshop (there are others I haven't
> > > tried). It's common for such programs to come bundled with digital
> > > cameras, scanners and Multi Function Devices (MFDs combo
> > > scanner/printer/fax machine).
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Paul Baker

November 11th 05, 03:55 PM

Well, it stands to reason that this number comes from somewhere! Most likely
the DPI of the screen, which on most screens is 96.

Paul

"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
...
>I think that Paint prints with ABOUT 96 dpi. How to know the exact
> resolution which Paint uses for printing?
> "Bob I" > ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
> ...
>> If the "print size" is the issue, go into Page Setup and set the scale.
>> if it prints at 96 and the original was 300 dpi 300/96*100=312%
>>
>> Dmitry Kopnichev wrote:
>>
>> > The problem is - Even if Paint reads an original scan resolutions, it
> still
>> > prints it as an image with 96 dpi resolution, not the original scan
>> > resolutions, with different than the original size.
>> > "Bob I" > ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
>> > ...
>> >
>> >>All tiff file formats are NOT the same. MS Paint will read SOME
>> >>original
>> >>scan resolutions and not others. If you give it a format that it
>> >>DOESN'T
>> >>read the "dpi" of, it DEFAULTS to 91 dpi. Simple as that. You CAN'T
>> >>change MS Paint, so YOU must use a tif format that the "dpi" is read.
>> >>
>> >>Dmitry Kopnichev wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>MS Photoeditor, Adobe Photoshop and others divide dimensions in pixels
>> >
>> > not
>> >
>> >>>by an arbitrary number, but by the original scan resolution in dpi.
>> >>>How
>> >
>> > to
>> >
>> >>>make Paint read the original scan resolution in dpi from a tif file?
>> >>>"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
>> ...
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>The software you have does not see the image file in centimeter or
>> >
>> > inches.
>> >
>> >>>>It calculates it for you. It makes this calculation by simply taking
> the
>> >>>>dimensions of the image in pixels and divides this by an arbitrary
>> >
>> > number
>> >
>> >>>>such as 72 or 96 to yield and image size in inches.
>> >>>>Look at the pixel dimensions of your image and divide by 72 or 96 and
>> >
>> > you
>> >
>> >>>>will get the same answer.
>> >>>>But this is not good for printing.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>MS Photoeditor (which is Part of MS Office), Adobe Photoshop and
> others
>> >>>>
>> >>>>see
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>tif image size in centimeters or inches.
>> >>>>>"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
>> >>>>>ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
>> ...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>No printing software "sees" centimeters or inches. The dimensions
>> >>>>>>of
>> >>>
>> >>>an
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>image is in pixels only and this is the only thing the printing
>> >>>
>> >>>software
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>sees about your image. No inches or centimeters (see my answer to
> your
>> >>>>>>message of 5:44AM).
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>When you print, you must select a size in inches or centimeters.
>> >>>>>>The
>> >>>>>>software takes the dimensions of your image in pixels and prints
>> >>>>>>the
>> >>>>
>> >>>>size
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>you select.
>> >>>>>>For a very good print, take the dimensions of your image in pixels
> and
>> >>>>>>divide by 300 to get an idea of how large a print you can make, if
> you
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>want
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>a smaller print than the answer below there is no problem.
>> >>>>>>So if the dimensions of your image are 5000 x 4000 pixels, you can
>> >>>
>> >>>print
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>at
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>16.6 x 13.3 inches. You can reduce 300 down to 200 and still get a
>> >>>>
>> >>>>decent
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>print of a larger size. Below 200 the quality of the print will
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>deteriorate
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>pretty quickly.
>> >>>>>>Faststone will give you the options such as "fit to page" or
>> >>>
>> >>>"specified
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>size". It will give you a "preview" of how the image will be
>> >>>>>>printed
>> >>>
>> >>>on
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>the
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>page by your printer.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>However, there is another problem that you must solve before you
>> >>>
>> >>>print.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>You
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>must fit the aspect ratio of your image to the aspect ratio of the
>> >>>
>> >>>paper
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>size you select.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>The aspect ratio is simply dividing the width by the height of the
>> >>>
>> >>>pixel
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>dimensions.
>> >>>>>>In the example above it would be 5000/4000= 1.25.
>> >>>>>>So if you print on 10 x 8 in. paper size, 10/8= 1.25 and the image
>> >>>
>> >>>will
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>fit
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>perfectly.
>> >>>>>>If you print on 6 x 4 in. paper size, 6/4= 1.5. The image will not
> fit
>> >>>>
>> >>>>and
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>Faststone will show you (in the print preview window) how the image
>> >>>
>> >>>will
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>be
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>automatically cropped to fit the size you selected. If this is not
> to
>> >>>>
>> >>>>your
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>liking. after you open the image with Faststone, use the crop tool.
>> >>>
>> >>>Crop
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>the
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>image to the paper size you want to use, placing the crop where you
>> >>>
>> >>>want
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>it,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>then print using the paper size you cropped the image with.
> Faststone
>> >>>>
>> >>>>will
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>also let you save the cropped image, with no alteration to your
>> >>>
>> >>>original
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>file. Go with this option since you may want to print at a
>> >>>>>>different
>> >>>>
>> >>>>size
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>in
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>the future and you will want to crop the original image.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>Yves.
>> >>>>>>>Do the free software from www.faststone.org treat pixel dimensions
>> >>>
>> >>>and
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>resolution as the same things too? Do they require to "Select the
>> >>>>
>> >>>>print
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>size" too? Do not they see original image size in centimeters or
>> >>>>
>> >>>>inches
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>too?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>"yves alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
>> >>>
>> >>>ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> ...
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>Pixel dimensions and resolution are the same thing!
>> >>>>>>>>Paint does not print anything 6+ times larger. Impossible.
>> >>>>>>>>What you see from Paint is the size that your image would occupy
>> >>>
>> >>>on
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>your
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>screen, at 96 dpi, with the number of pixels contained in your
>> >>>
>> >>>image
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>file.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>Nothing more and nothing less. Paint does not print anything. It
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>simply
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>tranfers the file to your printer. Select the print size.
>> >>>>>>>>Get some free software from here to edit and print your images:
>> >>>>>>>>www.faststone.org
>> >>>>>>>>and forget about Paint.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>I did not write about pixel dimensions, I wrote about
>> >>>>>>>>>resolution.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>The
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>Paint
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>changes resolution and length dimensions of a scanned image, not
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>pixel
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>dimensions, therefore, Paint prints a 600 dpi image 6+ times
>> >>>>
>> >>>>larger.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> ...
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>I don't think anything is wrong.
>> >>>>>>>>>>The 96 dpi displayed by Paint is simply your monitor display.
>> >>>>>>>>>>Open the Properties of the file and check the pixel dimensions
>> >>>
>> >>>of
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>it.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>It
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>should have the same pixel dimensions as the original file,
>> >>>
>> >>>say,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>something
>> >>>>>>>>>>like:
>> >>>>>>>>>>1200 x 800.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>Hello
>> >>>>>>>>>>>How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files
>> >>>
>> >>>from
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>600
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>to
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>96
>> >>>>>>>>>>>dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving
>> >>>>
>> >>>>them
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>the
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>files
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>become 96 dpi.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

Yves Alarie

November 11th 05, 05:51 PM

You may want to read this about scanning and then printing a specific size.
http://www.scantips.com/
I still think the fastest way to accomplish what you want is to edit with
Paint, save the file and then open it with
www.faststone.org
then click on File and Print.
A window will open, for size, select "Specified size" and enter it. If the
original photo was say 15 x 10 centimeters, enter this. Then enter your
printer preferences and select the highest resolution. Click Print. As long
as the paper size in your printer is the same or larger than the Specified
size, you will get the print at the size you want.
"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
...
> The XP print wizard does not print with an original scan size or
resolution.
> It just fits an image or images to a page.
> "Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> ...
> > I all you want is the MS Paint editing capabilities, then edit with MS
> Paint
> > and save the edited file.
> > Then open the folder where you saved the file, click on it to select it
> > (highlight file name in blue) and look at the menu on the left and click
> on
> > Print this file. The XP print wizard will open, follow directions
> including
> > the printer set up preferences, click on print and you are done.
> > "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > What is an intuitively understandable program with MS Paint
> capabilities,
> > > which prints with an original scan resolution?
> > > "RobertVA" > ???????/???????? ?
????????
> > > ?????????: ...
> > > > Dmitry Kopnichev wrote:
> > > > > Hello
> > > > > How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files from 600
> to
> > 96
> > > > > dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving them
the
> > > files
> > > > > become 96 dpi.
> > > >
> > > > Paint doesn't do DPI or image dimensions in real world dimensions
like
> > > > inces or milimeters. It was written when printers would only do 300
> DPI
> > > > and had to use a cluster of several of those dots to print very many
> > > > different colors. Thus it prints at some really low resolution like
75
> > > DPI.
> > > >
> > > > Paint is really a VERY PRIMATIVE demonstration application that
comes
> > > > with Windows. Don't expect too much from it. If you want better
> > > > capabilities look for a bitmap editing application like Microsoft
> Photo
> > > > Editor, Corel Photopaint or JASC Paintshop (there are others I
haven't
> > > > tried). It's common for such programs to come bundled with digital
> > > > cameras, scanners and Multi Function Devices (MFDs combo
> > > > scanner/printer/fax machine).
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

pip22

November 14th 05, 11:23 AM

Dmitry, you definitely should not be using a primitive application like MS
Paint for photo editing/printing. Buy a proper photo-editing program and you
will soon learn the relationship between pixels and image dimensions. A good
photo-editing program allows you to specify EXACTLY what size you want the
image to be and at the same time it tells you how many pixels-per-inch the
image will have at that size. It also allows you to to 'crop' to get rid of
any unwanted objects at the outer edges of the image. you can also 'save' the
image in any format you like. MS Paint does not not allow you to do any of
that because it's too simple for photo work.
I'm amazed you are using it for scanning/printing photographs. No wonder you
can't get the photo to print the size you want! use something better!

Dmitry Kopnichev

November 14th 05, 04:25 PM

Thanks!
How to know my screen resolution which Paint uses?
"Paul Baker" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ: ...
> Well, it stands to reason that this number comes from somewhere! Most
likely
> the DPI of the screen, which on most screens is 96.
>
> Paul
>
> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> ...
> >I think that Paint prints with ABOUT 96 dpi. How to know the exact
> > resolution which Paint uses for printing?
> > "Bob I" > ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
> > ...
> >> If the "print size" is the issue, go into Page Setup and set the scale.
> >> if it prints at 96 and the original was 300 dpi 300/96*100=312%
> >>
> >> Dmitry Kopnichev wrote:
> >>
> >> > The problem is - Even if Paint reads an original scan resolutions, it
> > still
> >> > prints it as an image with 96 dpi resolution, not the original scan
> >> > resolutions, with different than the original size.
> >> > "Bob I" > ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
> >> > ...
> >> >
> >> >>All tiff file formats are NOT the same. MS Paint will read SOME
> >> >>original
> >> >>scan resolutions and not others. If you give it a format that it
> >> >>DOESN'T
> >> >>read the "dpi" of, it DEFAULTS to 91 dpi. Simple as that. You CAN'T
> >> >>change MS Paint, so YOU must use a tif format that the "dpi" is read.
> >> >>
> >> >>Dmitry Kopnichev wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>MS Photoeditor, Adobe Photoshop and others divide dimensions in
pixels
> >> >
> >> > not
> >> >
> >> >>>by an arbitrary number, but by the original scan resolution in dpi.
> >> >>>How
> >> >
> >> > to
> >> >
> >> >>>make Paint read the original scan resolution in dpi from a tif file?
> >> >>>"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> >> ...
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>The software you have does not see the image file in centimeter or
> >> >
> >> > inches.
> >> >
> >> >>>>It calculates it for you. It makes this calculation by simply
taking
> > the
> >> >>>>dimensions of the image in pixels and divides this by an arbitrary
> >> >
> >> > number
> >> >
> >> >>>>such as 72 or 96 to yield and image size in inches.
> >> >>>>Look at the pixel dimensions of your image and divide by 72 or 96
and
> >> >
> >> > you
> >> >
> >> >>>>will get the same answer.
> >> >>>>But this is not good for printing.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>MS Photoeditor (which is Part of MS Office), Adobe Photoshop and
> > others
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>see
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>tif image size in centimeters or inches.
> >> >>>>>"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
> >> >>>>>ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> >> ...
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>No printing software "sees" centimeters or inches. The dimensions
> >> >>>>>>of
> >> >>>
> >> >>>an
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>image is in pixels only and this is the only thing the printing
> >> >>>
> >> >>>software
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>sees about your image. No inches or centimeters (see my answer to
> > your
> >> >>>>>>message of 5:44AM).
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>When you print, you must select a size in inches or centimeters.
> >> >>>>>>The
> >> >>>>>>software takes the dimensions of your image in pixels and prints
> >> >>>>>>the
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>size
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>you select.
> >> >>>>>>For a very good print, take the dimensions of your image in
pixels
> > and
> >> >>>>>>divide by 300 to get an idea of how large a print you can make,
if
> > you
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>want
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>a smaller print than the answer below there is no problem.
> >> >>>>>>So if the dimensions of your image are 5000 x 4000 pixels, you
can
> >> >>>
> >> >>>print
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>at
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>16.6 x 13.3 inches. You can reduce 300 down to 200 and still get
a
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>decent
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>print of a larger size. Below 200 the quality of the print will
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>deteriorate
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>pretty quickly.
> >> >>>>>>Faststone will give you the options such as "fit to page" or
> >> >>>
> >> >>>"specified
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>size". It will give you a "preview" of how the image will be
> >> >>>>>>printed
> >> >>>
> >> >>>on
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>the
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>page by your printer.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>However, there is another problem that you must solve before you
> >> >>>
> >> >>>print.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>You
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>must fit the aspect ratio of your image to the aspect ratio of
the
> >> >>>
> >> >>>paper
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>size you select.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>The aspect ratio is simply dividing the width by the height of
the
> >> >>>
> >> >>>pixel
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>dimensions.
> >> >>>>>>In the example above it would be 5000/4000= 1.25.
> >> >>>>>>So if you print on 10 x 8 in. paper size, 10/8= 1.25 and the
image
> >> >>>
> >> >>>will
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>fit
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>perfectly.
> >> >>>>>>If you print on 6 x 4 in. paper size, 6/4= 1.5. The image will
not
> > fit
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>and
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>Faststone will show you (in the print preview window) how the
image
> >> >>>
> >> >>>will
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>be
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>automatically cropped to fit the size you selected. If this is
not
> > to
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>your
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>liking. after you open the image with Faststone, use the crop
tool.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Crop
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>the
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>image to the paper size you want to use, placing the crop where
you
> >> >>>
> >> >>>want
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>it,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>then print using the paper size you cropped the image with.
> > Faststone
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>will
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>also let you save the cropped image, with no alteration to your
> >> >>>
> >> >>>original
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>file. Go with this option since you may want to print at a
> >> >>>>>>different
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>size
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>in
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>the future and you will want to crop the original image.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>Yves.
> >> >>>>>>>Do the free software from www.faststone.org treat pixel
dimensions
> >> >>>
> >> >>>and
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>resolution as the same things too? Do they require to "Select
the
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>print
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>size" too? Do not they see original image size in centimeters or
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>inches
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>too?
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>"yves alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
> >> >>>
> >> >>>ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> ...
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>Pixel dimensions and resolution are the same thing!
> >> >>>>>>>>Paint does not print anything 6+ times larger. Impossible.
> >> >>>>>>>>What you see from Paint is the size that your image would
occupy
> >> >>>
> >> >>>on
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>your
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>screen, at 96 dpi, with the number of pixels contained in your
> >> >>>
> >> >>>image
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>file.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>Nothing more and nothing less. Paint does not print anything.
It
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>simply
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>tranfers the file to your printer. Select the print size.
> >> >>>>>>>>Get some free software from here to edit and print your images:
> >> >>>>>>>>www.faststone.org
> >> >>>>>>>>and forget about Paint.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>I did not write about pixel dimensions, I wrote about
> >> >>>>>>>>>resolution.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>The
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>Paint
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>changes resolution and length dimensions of a scanned image,
not
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>pixel
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>dimensions, therefore, Paint prints a 600 dpi image 6+ times
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>larger.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> ...
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>I don't think anything is wrong.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>The 96 dpi displayed by Paint is simply your monitor display.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>Open the Properties of the file and check the pixel
dimensions
> >> >>>
> >> >>>of
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>it.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>It
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>should have the same pixel dimensions as the original file,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>say,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>something
> >> >>>>>>>>>>like:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>1200 x 800.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>Hello
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files
> >> >>>
> >> >>>from
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>600
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>to
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>96
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>them
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>the
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>files
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>become 96 dpi.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Dmitry Kopnichev

November 14th 05, 04:31 PM

My scan area was and usually is less than a paper (usually A4) with a text
or drawing. One cannot remember every scan area size to enter in the
"Specified size".
"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
...
> You may want to read this about scanning and then printing a specific
size.
> http://www.scantips.com/
> I still think the fastest way to accomplish what you want is to edit with
> Paint, save the file and then open it with
> www.faststone.org
> then click on File and Print.
> A window will open, for size, select "Specified size" and enter it. If the
> original photo was say 15 x 10 centimeters, enter this. Then enter your
> printer preferences and select the highest resolution. Click Print. As
long
> as the paper size in your printer is the same or larger than the Specified
> size, you will get the print at the size you want.
> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> ...
> > The XP print wizard does not print with an original scan size or
> resolution.
> > It just fits an image or images to a page.
> > "Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> > ...
> > > I all you want is the MS Paint editing capabilities, then edit with MS
> > Paint
> > > and save the edited file.
> > > Then open the folder where you saved the file, click on it to select
it
> > > (highlight file name in blue) and look at the menu on the left and
click
> > on
> > > Print this file. The XP print wizard will open, follow directions
> > including
> > > the printer set up preferences, click on print and you are done.
> > > "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > What is an intuitively understandable program with MS Paint
> > capabilities,
> > > > which prints with an original scan resolution?
> > > > "RobertVA" > ???????/???????? ?
> ????????
> > > > ?????????: ...
> > > > > Dmitry Kopnichev wrote:
> > > > > > Hello
> > > > > > How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files from
600
> > to
> > > 96
> > > > > > dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving them
> the
> > > > files
> > > > > > become 96 dpi.
> > > > >
> > > > > Paint doesn't do DPI or image dimensions in real world dimensions
> like
> > > > > inces or milimeters. It was written when printers would only do
300
> > DPI
> > > > > and had to use a cluster of several of those dots to print very
many
> > > > > different colors. Thus it prints at some really low resolution
like
> 75
> > > > DPI.
> > > > >
> > > > > Paint is really a VERY PRIMATIVE demonstration application that
> comes
> > > > > with Windows. Don't expect too much from it. If you want better
> > > > > capabilities look for a bitmap editing application like Microsoft
> > Photo
> > > > > Editor, Corel Photopaint or JASC Paintshop (there are others I
> haven't
> > > > > tried). It's common for such programs to come bundled with digital
> > > > > cameras, scanners and Multi Function Devices (MFDs combo
> > > > > scanner/printer/fax machine).
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Dmitry Kopnichev

November 14th 05, 04:42 PM

Thanks!
I use Paint for editing 1 bit b&w drawings, not for scanning/printing
photographs.
"pip22" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ: ...
> Dmitry, you definitely should not be using a primitive application like MS
> Paint for photo editing/printing. Buy a proper photo-editing program and
you
> will soon learn the relationship between pixels and image dimensions. A
good
> photo-editing program allows you to specify EXACTLY what size you want the
> image to be and at the same time it tells you how many pixels-per-inch the
> image will have at that size. It also allows you to to 'crop' to get rid
of
> any unwanted objects at the outer edges of the image. you can also 'save'
the
> image in any format you like. MS Paint does not not allow you to do any of
> that because it's too simple for photo work.
> I'm amazed you are using it for scanning/printing photographs. No wonder
you
> can't get the photo to print the size you want! use something better!
>
>

Paul Baker

November 14th 05, 05:24 PM

Why not just print an image at 100% and measure it? Also use the Image |
Attributes menu item to get the size in pixels.

DPI is the number of pixels divided by the number of inches.

If you get 96 DPI or there abouts, it's 96 DPI! Another possibility is 72
DPI. Other values are rare unless you have a super duper high resolution
monitor.

Paul

"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks!
> How to know my screen resolution which Paint uses?
> "Paul Baker" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
> ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ: ...
>> Well, it stands to reason that this number comes from somewhere! Most
> likely
>> the DPI of the screen, which on most screens is 96.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >I think that Paint prints with ABOUT 96 dpi. How to know the exact
>> > resolution which Paint uses for printing?
>> > "Bob I" > ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
>> > ...
>> >> If the "print size" is the issue, go into Page Setup and set the
>> >> scale.
>> >> if it prints at 96 and the original was 300 dpi 300/96*100=312%
>> >>
>> >> Dmitry Kopnichev wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > The problem is - Even if Paint reads an original scan resolutions,
>> >> > it
>> > still
>> >> > prints it as an image with 96 dpi resolution, not the original scan
>> >> > resolutions, with different than the original size.
>> >> > "Bob I" > ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
>> >> > ...
>> >> >
>> >> >>All tiff file formats are NOT the same. MS Paint will read SOME
>> >> >>original
>> >> >>scan resolutions and not others. If you give it a format that it
>> >> >>DOESN'T
>> >> >>read the "dpi" of, it DEFAULTS to 91 dpi. Simple as that. You CAN'T
>> >> >>change MS Paint, so YOU must use a tif format that the "dpi" is
>> >> >>read.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Dmitry Kopnichev wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>MS Photoeditor, Adobe Photoshop and others divide dimensions in
> pixels
>> >> >
>> >> > not
>> >> >
>> >> >>>by an arbitrary number, but by the original scan resolution in dpi.
>> >> >>>How
>> >> >
>> >> > to
>> >> >
>> >> >>>make Paint read the original scan resolution in dpi from a tif
>> >> >>>file?
>> >> >>>"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
> ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
>> >> ...
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>The software you have does not see the image file in centimeter or
>> >> >
>> >> > inches.
>> >> >
>> >> >>>>It calculates it for you. It makes this calculation by simply
> taking
>> > the
>> >> >>>>dimensions of the image in pixels and divides this by an arbitrary
>> >> >
>> >> > number
>> >> >
>> >> >>>>such as 72 or 96 to yield and image size in inches.
>> >> >>>>Look at the pixel dimensions of your image and divide by 72 or 96
> and
>> >> >
>> >> > you
>> >> >
>> >> >>>>will get the same answer.
>> >> >>>>But this is not good for printing.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>MS Photoeditor (which is Part of MS Office), Adobe Photoshop and
>> > others
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>see
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>tif image size in centimeters or inches.
>> >> >>>>>"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
>> >> >>>>>ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
>> >> ...
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>No printing software "sees" centimeters or inches. The
>> >> >>>>>>dimensions
>> >> >>>>>>of
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>an
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>image is in pixels only and this is the only thing the printing
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>software
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>sees about your image. No inches or centimeters (see my answer
>> >> >>>>>>to
>> > your
>> >> >>>>>>message of 5:44AM).
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>When you print, you must select a size in inches or centimeters.
>> >> >>>>>>The
>> >> >>>>>>software takes the dimensions of your image in pixels and prints
>> >> >>>>>>the
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>size
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>you select.
>> >> >>>>>>For a very good print, take the dimensions of your image in
> pixels
>> > and
>> >> >>>>>>divide by 300 to get an idea of how large a print you can make,
> if
>> > you
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>want
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>a smaller print than the answer below there is no problem.
>> >> >>>>>>So if the dimensions of your image are 5000 x 4000 pixels, you
> can
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>print
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>at
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>16.6 x 13.3 inches. You can reduce 300 down to 200 and still get
> a
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>decent
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>print of a larger size. Below 200 the quality of the print will
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>deteriorate
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>pretty quickly.
>> >> >>>>>>Faststone will give you the options such as "fit to page" or
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>"specified
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>size". It will give you a "preview" of how the image will be
>> >> >>>>>>printed
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>on
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>the
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>page by your printer.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>However, there is another problem that you must solve before you
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>print.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>You
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>must fit the aspect ratio of your image to the aspect ratio of
> the
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>paper
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>size you select.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>The aspect ratio is simply dividing the width by the height of
> the
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>pixel
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>dimensions.
>> >> >>>>>>In the example above it would be 5000/4000= 1.25.
>> >> >>>>>>So if you print on 10 x 8 in. paper size, 10/8= 1.25 and the
> image
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>will
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>fit
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>perfectly.
>> >> >>>>>>If you print on 6 x 4 in. paper size, 6/4= 1.5. The image will
> not
>> > fit
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>and
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>Faststone will show you (in the print preview window) how the
> image
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>will
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>be
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>automatically cropped to fit the size you selected. If this is
> not
>> > to
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>your
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>liking. after you open the image with Faststone, use the crop
> tool.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Crop
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>the
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>image to the paper size you want to use, placing the crop where
> you
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>want
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>it,
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>then print using the paper size you cropped the image with.
>> > Faststone
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>will
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>also let you save the cropped image, with no alteration to your
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>original
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>file. Go with this option since you may want to print at a
>> >> >>>>>>different
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>size
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>in
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>the future and you will want to crop the original image.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>Yves.
>> >> >>>>>>>Do the free software from www.faststone.org treat pixel
> dimensions
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>and
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>resolution as the same things too? Do they require to "Select
> the
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>print
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>size" too? Do not they see original image size in centimeters
>> >> >>>>>>>or
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>inches
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>too?
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>"yves alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> ...
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>Pixel dimensions and resolution are the same thing!
>> >> >>>>>>>>Paint does not print anything 6+ times larger. Impossible.
>> >> >>>>>>>>What you see from Paint is the size that your image would
> occupy
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>on
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>your
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>screen, at 96 dpi, with the number of pixels contained in your
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>image
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>file.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>Nothing more and nothing less. Paint does not print anything.
> It
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>simply
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>tranfers the file to your printer. Select the print size.
>> >> >>>>>>>>Get some free software from here to edit and print your
>> >> >>>>>>>>images:
>> >> >>>>>>>>www.faststone.org
>> >> >>>>>>>>and forget about Paint.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>I did not write about pixel dimensions, I wrote about
>> >> >>>>>>>>>resolution.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>The
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>Paint
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>changes resolution and length dimensions of a scanned image,
> not
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>pixel
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>dimensions, therefore, Paint prints a 600 dpi image 6+ times
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>larger.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> ...
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>I don't think anything is wrong.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>The 96 dpi displayed by Paint is simply your monitor
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>display.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>Open the Properties of the file and check the pixel
> dimensions
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>of
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>it.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>It
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>should have the same pixel dimensions as the original file,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>say,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>something
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>like:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>1200 x 800.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>Hello
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>from
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>600
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>to
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>96
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and saving
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>them
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>the
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>files
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>become 96 dpi.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Dmitry Kopnichev

November 15th 05, 07:32 AM

Thanks!
Since Paint prints >96 dpi image with larger size, the image does not fit on
one sheet of paper and I cannot measure it.
"Paul Baker" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ: ...
> Why not just print an image at 100% and measure it? Also use the Image |
> Attributes menu item to get the size in pixels.
>
> DPI is the number of pixels divided by the number of inches.
>
> If you get 96 DPI or there abouts, it's 96 DPI! Another possibility is 72
> DPI. Other values are rare unless you have a super duper high resolution
> monitor.
>
> Paul
>
> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Thanks!
> > How to know my screen resolution which Paint uses?
> > "Paul Baker" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
> > ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ: ...
> >> Well, it stands to reason that this number comes from somewhere! Most
> > likely
> >> the DPI of the screen, which on most screens is 96.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> "Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >I think that Paint prints with ABOUT 96 dpi. How to know the exact
> >> > resolution which Paint uses for printing?
> >> > "Bob I" > ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
> >> > ...
> >> >> If the "print size" is the issue, go into Page Setup and set the
> >> >> scale.
> >> >> if it prints at 96 and the original was 300 dpi 300/96*100=312%
> >> >>
> >> >> Dmitry Kopnichev wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > The problem is - Even if Paint reads an original scan resolutions,
> >> >> > it
> >> > still
> >> >> > prints it as an image with 96 dpi resolution, not the original
scan
> >> >> > resolutions, with different than the original size.
> >> >> > "Bob I" > ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
> >> >> > ...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>All tiff file formats are NOT the same. MS Paint will read SOME
> >> >> >>original
> >> >> >>scan resolutions and not others. If you give it a format that it
> >> >> >>DOESN'T
> >> >> >>read the "dpi" of, it DEFAULTS to 91 dpi. Simple as that. You
CAN'T
> >> >> >>change MS Paint, so YOU must use a tif format that the "dpi" is
> >> >> >>read.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Dmitry Kopnichev wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>MS Photoeditor, Adobe Photoshop and others divide dimensions in
> > pixels
> >> >> >
> >> >> > not
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>>by an arbitrary number, but by the original scan resolution in
dpi.
> >> >> >>>How
> >> >> >
> >> >> > to
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>>make Paint read the original scan resolution in dpi from a tif
> >> >> >>>file?
> >> >> >>>"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
> > ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>The software you have does not see the image file in centimeter
or
> >> >> >
> >> >> > inches.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>>>It calculates it for you. It makes this calculation by simply
> > taking
> >> > the
> >> >> >>>>dimensions of the image in pixels and divides this by an
arbitrary
> >> >> >
> >> >> > number
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>>>such as 72 or 96 to yield and image size in inches.
> >> >> >>>>Look at the pixel dimensions of your image and divide by 72 or
96
> > and
> >> >> >
> >> >> > you
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>>>will get the same answer.
> >> >> >>>>But this is not good for printing.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>>MS Photoeditor (which is Part of MS Office), Adobe Photoshop
and
> >> > others
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>see
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>>tif image size in centimeters or inches.
> >> >> >>>>>"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
> >> >> >>>>>ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>No printing software "sees" centimeters or inches. The
> >> >> >>>>>>dimensions
> >> >> >>>>>>of
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>an
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>>>image is in pixels only and this is the only thing the
printing
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>software
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>>>sees about your image. No inches or centimeters (see my answer
> >> >> >>>>>>to
> >> > your
> >> >> >>>>>>message of 5:44AM).
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>When you print, you must select a size in inches or
centimeters.
> >> >> >>>>>>The
> >> >> >>>>>>software takes the dimensions of your image in pixels and
prints
> >> >> >>>>>>the
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>size
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>you select.
> >> >> >>>>>>For a very good print, take the dimensions of your image in
> > pixels
> >> > and
> >> >> >>>>>>divide by 300 to get an idea of how large a print you can
make,
> > if
> >> > you
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>want
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>a smaller print than the answer below there is no problem.
> >> >> >>>>>>So if the dimensions of your image are 5000 x 4000 pixels, you
> > can
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>print
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>>at
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>16.6 x 13.3 inches. You can reduce 300 down to 200 and still
get
> > a
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>decent
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>print of a larger size. Below 200 the quality of the print
will
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>deteriorate
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>pretty quickly.
> >> >> >>>>>>Faststone will give you the options such as "fit to page" or
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>"specified
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>>>size". It will give you a "preview" of how the image will be
> >> >> >>>>>>printed
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>on
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>>the
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>page by your printer.
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>However, there is another problem that you must solve before
you
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>print.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>>You
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>must fit the aspect ratio of your image to the aspect ratio of
> > the
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>paper
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>>>size you select.
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>The aspect ratio is simply dividing the width by the height of
> > the
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>pixel
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>>>dimensions.
> >> >> >>>>>>In the example above it would be 5000/4000= 1.25.
> >> >> >>>>>>So if you print on 10 x 8 in. paper size, 10/8= 1.25 and the
> > image
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>will
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>>fit
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>perfectly.
> >> >> >>>>>>If you print on 6 x 4 in. paper size, 6/4= 1.5. The image will
> > not
> >> > fit
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>and
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>Faststone will show you (in the print preview window) how the
> > image
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>will
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>>be
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>automatically cropped to fit the size you selected. If this is
> > not
> >> > to
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>your
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>liking. after you open the image with Faststone, use the crop
> > tool.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>Crop
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>>the
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>image to the paper size you want to use, placing the crop
where
> > you
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>want
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>>it,
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>then print using the paper size you cropped the image with.
> >> > Faststone
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>will
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>also let you save the cropped image, with no alteration to
your
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>original
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>>>file. Go with this option since you may want to print at a
> >> >> >>>>>>different
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>size
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>>in
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>the future and you will want to crop the original image.
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>Yves.
> >> >> >>>>>>>Do the free software from www.faststone.org treat pixel
> > dimensions
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>and
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>resolution as the same things too? Do they require to "Select
> > the
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>print
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>size" too? Do not they see original image size in centimeters
> >> >> >>>>>>>or
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>inches
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>too?
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>"yves alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>Pixel dimensions and resolution are the same thing!
> >> >> >>>>>>>>Paint does not print anything 6+ times larger. Impossible.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>What you see from Paint is the size that your image would
> > occupy
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>on
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>>your
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>screen, at 96 dpi, with the number of pixels contained in
your
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>image
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>>>file.
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>Nothing more and nothing less. Paint does not print
anything.
> > It
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>simply
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>tranfers the file to your printer. Select the print size.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>Get some free software from here to edit and print your
> >> >> >>>>>>>>images:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>www.faststone.org
> >> >> >>>>>>>>and forget about Paint.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>I did not write about pixel dimensions, I wrote about
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>resolution.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>The
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>Paint
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>changes resolution and length dimensions of a scanned
image,
> > not
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>pixel
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>dimensions, therefore, Paint prints a 600 dpi image 6+
times
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>larger.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>"Yves Alarie" > ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>I don't think anything is wrong.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>The 96 dpi displayed by Paint is simply your monitor
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>display.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>Open the Properties of the file and check the pixel
> > dimensions
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>of
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>>it.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>It
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>should have the same pixel dimensions as the original
file,
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>say,
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>something
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>like:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>1200 x 800.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>"Dmitry Kopnichev" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>Hello
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>How to stop MS Paint changing resolution of b&w tif files
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>from
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>>600
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>to
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>96
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>dpi? After editing the 600 dpi files in MS Paint and
saving
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>them
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>the
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>files
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>become 96 dpi.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
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