RAM/commit charge question

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I know that commit charge is the amount of memory including the page
the file that's being used by programs and the operating system. At a
certain instant Task Manager is reporting 522,916 KB of physical ram
total. The commit charge total is reporting 73,160 KB being used.
Available physical memory is reporting 410,168 KB available.
Subtracting 410,168 from 522,916 equals 112,748. If 73,160 KB is being
used by programs and the operating system then what is the remaining
39,588 KB being used for? I should also point out that the page file
usage graph is showing 71.4 MB being used.

[Mak]

No, commit charge is a portion of virtual memory, it is *potential* paging
file usage.
You can't do your math operations where you involve physical and virtual
memory (even if it's just a part) in one equation - it's like subtracting
apples from oranges.
Task manager's PF usage graph is commit charge, just in MB: 73160KB / 1024 =
71.4453125MB ~ 71.4MB (can be in RAM or in paging file(s) - you can't tell)
The actual paging file usage can be monitored by using Perfmon / paging file
/ %usage / _total.
The actual (virtual) memory usage can be monitored in Perfmon / process /
virtual bytes / _total.

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>I know that commit charge is the amount of memory including the page
> the file that's being used by programs and the operating system. At a
> certain instant Task Manager is reporting 522,916 KB of physical ram
> total. The commit charge total is reporting 73,160 KB being used.
> Available physical memory is reporting 410,168 KB available.
> Subtracting 410,168 from 522,916 equals 112,748. If 73,160 KB is being
> used by programs and the operating system then what is the remaining
> 39,588 KB being used for? I should also point out that the page file
> usage graph is showing 71.4 MB being used.
>

[Ron Martell]

wrote:

>I know that commit charge is the amount of memory including the page
>the file that's being used by programs and the operating system. At a
>certain instant Task Manager is reporting 522,916 KB of physical ram
>total. The commit charge total is reporting 73,160 KB being used.
>Available physical memory is reporting 410,168 KB available.
>Subtracting 410,168 from 522,916 equals 112,748. If 73,160 KB is being
>used by programs and the operating system then what is the remaining
>39,588 KB being used for? I should also point out that the page file
>usage graph is showing 71.4 MB being used.

The remaining RAM would be used for disk cache etc.

Windows will, by design, always attempt to find some use, anything
whatever that is of some potential benefit rather than leaving the RAM
sitting there idly going to rot. "Available physical memory" should
in some respects be referred to as "Useless physical memory" because
it represents memory for which Windows has so far been totally unable
to find any beneficial use for.

Also note that the PF Usage figure reported by Windows Task Manager
includes a large proportion of "phantom" usage with regard to the
unused portions of memory allocation requests. Windows components,
device drivers, and application programs typically request memory
allocations that are somewhat larger than what will usually be needed
under normal circumstances. By design Windows must assign memory
address space to satisfy all of the memory allocation requests that
are issued. So what happens is that RAM locations are only allocated
to the portion of the request that is actually being used and the
unused portion is allocated to the page file. Note that this
allocation of unused memory requests to the page file does not require
any actual disk activity - all that is needed is to make entries in
the memory mapping tables maintained by the CPU.

Hope this clarifies the situation.

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

[David Candy]

systeminfo tells how much of the swap is being used.

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"Ron Martell" > wrote in message ...
> wrote:
>
>>I know that commit charge is the amount of memory including the page
>>the file that's being used by programs and the operating system. At a
>>certain instant Task Manager is reporting 522,916 KB of physical ram
>>total. The commit charge total is reporting 73,160 KB being used.
>>Available physical memory is reporting 410,168 KB available.
>>Subtracting 410,168 from 522,916 equals 112,748. If 73,160 KB is being
>>used by programs and the operating system then what is the remaining
>>39,588 KB being used for? I should also point out that the page file
>>usage graph is showing 71.4 MB being used.
>
> The remaining RAM would be used for disk cache etc.
>
> Windows will, by design, always attempt to find some use, anything
> whatever that is of some potential benefit rather than leaving the RAM
> sitting there idly going to rot. "Available physical memory" should
> in some respects be referred to as "Useless physical memory" because
> it represents memory for which Windows has so far been totally unable
> to find any beneficial use for.
>
> Also note that the PF Usage figure reported by Windows Task Manager
> includes a large proportion of "phantom" usage with regard to the
> unused portions of memory allocation requests. Windows components,
> device drivers, and application programs typically request memory
> allocations that are somewhat larger than what will usually be needed
> under normal circumstances. By design Windows must assign memory
> address space to satisfy all of the memory allocation requests that
> are issued. So what happens is that RAM locations are only allocated
> to the portion of the request that is actually being used and the
> unused portion is allocated to the page file. Note that this
> allocation of unused memory requests to the page file does not require
> any actual disk activity - all that is needed is to make entries in
> the memory mapping tables maintained by the CPU.
>
> Hope this clarifies the situation.
>
> Good luck
>
> Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
> --
> Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
> On-Line Help Computer Service
> http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

[[email protected]]

wrote:
> I know that commit charge is the amount of memory including the page
> the file that's being used by programs and the operating system. At a
> certain instant Task Manager is reporting 522,916 KB of physical ram
> total. The commit charge total is reporting 73,160 KB being used.
> Available physical memory is reporting 410,168 KB available.
> Subtracting 410,168 from 522,916 equals 112,748. If 73,160 KB is being
> used by programs and the operating system then what is the remaining
> 39,588 KB being used for? I should also point out that the page file
> usage graph is showing 71.4 MB being used.

Thanks for all the replies. They were very informative.

[Ron Martell]

"David Candy" <.> wrote:

>systeminfo tells how much of the swap is being used.


It does? Where?

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

[Bob I]

Actually it tells how much is available.

run it form the command prompt.

Ron Martell wrote:

> "David Candy" <.> wrote:
>
>
>>systeminfo tells how much of the swap is being used.
>
>
>
> It does? Where?
>
> Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Bob I wrote:

> Actually it tells how much is available.


Actually it tells both. It shows all three of the following:

Virtual Memory: Max Size:
Virtual Memory: Available:
Virtual Memory: In Use:


> run it form the command prompt.


Run it from a command prompt *window* that you get by running CMD, not the
command prompt at the Start | Run line. If you do the latter, the results
won't stay on the screenlong enough to read.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup


> Ron Martell wrote:
>
>> "David Candy" <.> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> systeminfo tells how much of the swap is being used.
>>
>>
>>
>> It does? Where?
>>
>> Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada

[Bob I]

My bad, missed the itty bitty number!

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> Bob I wrote:
>
>
>>Actually it tells how much is available.
>
>
>
> Actually it tells both. It shows all three of the following:
>
> Virtual Memory: Max Size:
> Virtual Memory: Available:
> Virtual Memory: In Use:
>
>
>
>>run it form the command prompt.
>
>
>
> Run it from a command prompt *window* that you get by running CMD, not the
> command prompt at the Start | Run line. If you do the latter, the results
> won't stay on the screenlong enough to read.
>

[Mak]

it *tells* quite inaccurately (YMMV).
Example.
WinXP version tells this (correct numbers are in brackets):
Total Physical Memory: 2,047 MB (2,047 MB)
Available Physical Memory: 570 MB (570 MB)
Virtual Memory: Max Size: 8,034 MB (4,092 MB)
Virtual Memory: Available: 5,208 MB (4,076.3 MB)
Virtual Memory: In Use: 2,826 MB (15.7 MB. Perfmon %0.383 of 4092 MB
allocated)
Page File Location(s): C:\pagefile.sys

W2k3 version (checking the same machine as above, only wording changed):
Total Physical Memory: 2,047 MB (2,047)
Available Physical Memory: 570 MB (570 MB)
Page File: Max Size: 8,034 MB (4,092 MB)
Page File: Available: 5,208 MB (4,076.3 MB)
Page File: In Use: 2,826 MB (15.7 MB)
Page File Location(s): C:\pagefile.sys

GUI one (msinfo32) is not better.

"David Candy" <.> wrote in message
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"Ron Martell" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>
>>I know that commit charge is the amount of memory including the page
>>the file that's being used by programs and the operating system. At a
>>certain instant Task Manager is reporting 522,916 KB of physical ram
>>total. The commit charge total is reporting 73,160 KB being used.
>>Available physical memory is reporting 410,168 KB available.
>>Subtracting 410,168 from 522,916 equals 112,748. If 73,160 KB is being
>>used by programs and the operating system then what is the remaining
>>39,588 KB being used for? I should also point out that the page file
>>usage graph is showing 71.4 MB being used.
>
> The remaining RAM would be used for disk cache etc.
>
> Windows will, by design, always attempt to find some use, anything
> whatever that is of some potential benefit rather than leaving the RAM
> sitting there idly going to rot. "Available physical memory" should
> in some respects be referred to as "Useless physical memory" because
> it represents memory for which Windows has so far been totally unable
> to find any beneficial use for.
>
> Also note that the PF Usage figure reported by Windows Task Manager
> includes a large proportion of "phantom" usage with regard to the
> unused portions of memory allocation requests. Windows components,
> device drivers, and application programs typically request memory
> allocations that are somewhat larger than what will usually be needed
> under normal circumstances. By design Windows must assign memory
> address space to satisfy all of the memory allocation requests that
> are issued. So what happens is that RAM locations are only allocated
> to the portion of the request that is actually being used and the
> unused portion is allocated to the page file. Note that this
> allocation of unused memory requests to the page file does not require
> any actual disk activity - all that is needed is to make entries in
> the memory mapping tables maintained by the CPU.
>
> Hope this clarifies the situation.
>
> Good luck
>
> Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
> --
> Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
> On-Line Help Computer Service
> http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

[David Candy]

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"Mak" > wrote in message ...
> it *tells* quite inaccurately (YMMV).
> Example.
> WinXP version tells this (correct numbers are in brackets):
> Total Physical Memory: 2,047 MB (2,047 MB)
> Available Physical Memory: 570 MB (570 MB)
> Virtual Memory: Max Size: 8,034 MB (4,092 MB)
> Virtual Memory: Available: 5,208 MB (4,076.3 MB)
> Virtual Memory: In Use: 2,826 MB (15.7 MB. Perfmon %0.383 of 4092 MB
> allocated)
> Page File Location(s): C:\pagefile.sys
>
> W2k3 version (checking the same machine as above, only wording changed):
> Total Physical Memory: 2,047 MB (2,047)
> Available Physical Memory: 570 MB (570 MB)
> Page File: Max Size: 8,034 MB (4,092 MB)
> Page File: Available: 5,208 MB (4,076.3 MB)
> Page File: In Use: 2,826 MB (15.7 MB)
> Page File Location(s): C:\pagefile.sys
>
> GUI one (msinfo32) is not better.
>
> "David Candy" <.> wrote in message
> ...
> systeminfo tells how much of the swap is being used.
>
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> "Ron Martell" > wrote in message
> ...
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I know that commit charge is the amount of memory including the page
>>>the file that's being used by programs and the operating system. At a
>>>certain instant Task Manager is reporting 522,916 KB of physical ram
>>>total. The commit charge total is reporting 73,160 KB being used.
>>>Available physical memory is reporting 410,168 KB available.
>>>Subtracting 410,168 from 522,916 equals 112,748. If 73,160 KB is being
>>>used by programs and the operating system then what is the remaining
>>>39,588 KB being used for? I should also point out that the page file
>>>usage graph is showing 71.4 MB being used.
>>
>> The remaining RAM would be used for disk cache etc.
>>
>> Windows will, by design, always attempt to find some use, anything
>> whatever that is of some potential benefit rather than leaving the RAM
>> sitting there idly going to rot. "Available physical memory" should
>> in some respects be referred to as "Useless physical memory" because
>> it represents memory for which Windows has so far been totally unable
>> to find any beneficial use for.
>>
>> Also note that the PF Usage figure reported by Windows Task Manager
>> includes a large proportion of "phantom" usage with regard to the
>> unused portions of memory allocation requests. Windows components,
>> device drivers, and application programs typically request memory
>> allocations that are somewhat larger than what will usually be needed
>> under normal circumstances. By design Windows must assign memory
>> address space to satisfy all of the memory allocation requests that
>> are issued. So what happens is that RAM locations are only allocated
>> to the portion of the request that is actually being used and the
>> unused portion is allocated to the page file. Note that this
>> allocation of unused memory requests to the page file does not require
>> any actual disk activity - all that is needed is to make entries in
>> the memory mapping tables maintained by the CPU.
>>
>> Hope this clarifies the situation.
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
>> --
>> Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
>> On-Line Help Computer Service
>> http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
>
>

[Mak]

sure, if you need this:
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\>dir systeminfo.exe /s
Volume in drive C has no label.
Volume Serial Number is 707D-EBF5

Directory of C:\I386

04/08/2004 08:00 AM 68,096 systeminfo.exe
1 File(s) 68,096 bytes

Directory of C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32

04/08/2004 08:00 AM 68,096 systeminfo.exe
1 File(s) 68,096 bytes

Total Files Listed:
2 File(s) 136,192 bytes
0 Dir(s) 17,738,833,920 bytes free

Microsoft Windows [Version 5.2.3790]
(C) Copyright 1985-2003 Microsoft Corp.

C:\>dir systeminfo.exe /s
Volume in drive C has no label.
Volume Serial Number is 10A7-818D

Directory of C:\WINDOWS\system32

25/03/2003 11:00 PM 79,360 systeminfo.exe
1 File(s) 79,360 bytes

Total Files Listed:
1 File(s) 79,360 bytes
0 Dir(s) 4,797,071,360 bytes free


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"Mak" > wrote in message
...
> it *tells* quite inaccurately (YMMV).
> Example.
> WinXP version tells this (correct numbers are in brackets):
> Total Physical Memory: 2,047 MB (2,047 MB)
> Available Physical Memory: 570 MB (570 MB)
> Virtual Memory: Max Size: 8,034 MB (4,092 MB)
> Virtual Memory: Available: 5,208 MB (4,076.3 MB)
> Virtual Memory: In Use: 2,826 MB (15.7 MB. Perfmon %0.383 of 4092 MB
> allocated)
> Page File Location(s): C:\pagefile.sys
>
> W2k3 version (checking the same machine as above, only wording changed):
> Total Physical Memory: 2,047 MB (2,047)
> Available Physical Memory: 570 MB (570 MB)
> Page File: Max Size: 8,034 MB (4,092 MB)
> Page File: Available: 5,208 MB (4,076.3 MB)
> Page File: In Use: 2,826 MB (15.7 MB)
> Page File Location(s): C:\pagefile.sys
>
> GUI one (msinfo32) is not better.
>
> "David Candy" <.> wrote in message
> ...
> systeminfo tells how much of the swap is being used.
>
> --
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> =================================================
> "Ron Martell" > wrote in message
> ...
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I know that commit charge is the amount of memory including the page
>>>the file that's being used by programs and the operating system. At a
>>>certain instant Task Manager is reporting 522,916 KB of physical ram
>>>total. The commit charge total is reporting 73,160 KB being used.
>>>Available physical memory is reporting 410,168 KB available.
>>>Subtracting 410,168 from 522,916 equals 112,748. If 73,160 KB is being
>>>used by programs and the operating system then what is the remaining
>>>39,588 KB being used for? I should also point out that the page file
>>>usage graph is showing 71.4 MB being used.
>>
>> The remaining RAM would be used for disk cache etc.
>>
>> Windows will, by design, always attempt to find some use, anything
>> whatever that is of some potential benefit rather than leaving the RAM
>> sitting there idly going to rot. "Available physical memory" should
>> in some respects be referred to as "Useless physical memory" because
>> it represents memory for which Windows has so far been totally unable
>> to find any beneficial use for.
>>
>> Also note that the PF Usage figure reported by Windows Task Manager
>> includes a large proportion of "phantom" usage with regard to the
>> unused portions of memory allocation requests. Windows components,
>> device drivers, and application programs typically request memory
>> allocations that are somewhat larger than what will usually be needed
>> under normal circumstances. By design Windows must assign memory
>> address space to satisfy all of the memory allocation requests that
>> are issued. So what happens is that RAM locations are only allocated
>> to the portion of the request that is actually being used and the
>> unused portion is allocated to the page file. Note that this
>> allocation of unused memory requests to the page file does not require
>> any actual disk activity - all that is needed is to make entries in
>> the memory mapping tables maintained by the CPU.
>>
>> Hope this clarifies the situation.
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
>> --
>> Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
>> On-Line Help Computer Service
>> http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
>
>

[David Candy]

You'll have to try writing your ideas out.

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"Mak" > wrote in message ...
> sure, if you need this:
> Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
> (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.
>
> C:\>dir systeminfo.exe /s
> Volume in drive C has no label.
> Volume Serial Number is 707D-EBF5
>
> Directory of C:\I386
>
> 04/08/2004 08:00 AM 68,096 systeminfo.exe
> 1 File(s) 68,096 bytes
>
> Directory of C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32
>
> 04/08/2004 08:00 AM 68,096 systeminfo.exe
> 1 File(s) 68,096 bytes
>
> Total Files Listed:
> 2 File(s) 136,192 bytes
> 0 Dir(s) 17,738,833,920 bytes free
>
> Microsoft Windows [Version 5.2.3790]
> (C) Copyright 1985-2003 Microsoft Corp.
>
> C:\>dir systeminfo.exe /s
> Volume in drive C has no label.
> Volume Serial Number is 10A7-818D
>
> Directory of C:\WINDOWS\system32
>
> 25/03/2003 11:00 PM 79,360 systeminfo.exe
> 1 File(s) 79,360 bytes
>
> Total Files Listed:
> 1 File(s) 79,360 bytes
> 0 Dir(s) 4,797,071,360 bytes free
>
>
> "David Candy" <.> wrote in message
> ...
> I don't know ehat you are talking about. You need to say where you got them.
>
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> =================================================
> "Mak" > wrote in message
> ...
>> it *tells* quite inaccurately (YMMV).
>> Example.
>> WinXP version tells this (correct numbers are in brackets):
>> Total Physical Memory: 2,047 MB (2,047 MB)
>> Available Physical Memory: 570 MB (570 MB)
>> Virtual Memory: Max Size: 8,034 MB (4,092 MB)
>> Virtual Memory: Available: 5,208 MB (4,076.3 MB)
>> Virtual Memory: In Use: 2,826 MB (15.7 MB. Perfmon %0.383 of 4092 MB
>> allocated)
>> Page File Location(s): C:\pagefile.sys
>>
>> W2k3 version (checking the same machine as above, only wording changed):
>> Total Physical Memory: 2,047 MB (2,047)
>> Available Physical Memory: 570 MB (570 MB)
>> Page File: Max Size: 8,034 MB (4,092 MB)
>> Page File: Available: 5,208 MB (4,076.3 MB)
>> Page File: In Use: 2,826 MB (15.7 MB)
>> Page File Location(s): C:\pagefile.sys
>>
>> GUI one (msinfo32) is not better.
>>
>> "David Candy" <.> wrote in message
>> ...
>> systeminfo tells how much of the swap is being used.
>>
>> --
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Read David defending the concept of violence.
>> http://margokingston.typepad.com/harry_version_2/2005/10/entering_the_ga.html#more
>> =================================================
>> "Ron Martell" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I know that commit charge is the amount of memory including the page
>>>>the file that's being used by programs and the operating system. At a
>>>>certain instant Task Manager is reporting 522,916 KB of physical ram
>>>>total. The commit charge total is reporting 73,160 KB being used.
>>>>Available physical memory is reporting 410,168 KB available.
>>>>Subtracting 410,168 from 522,916 equals 112,748. If 73,160 KB is being
>>>>used by programs and the operating system then what is the remaining
>>>>39,588 KB being used for? I should also point out that the page file
>>>>usage graph is showing 71.4 MB being used.
>>>
>>> The remaining RAM would be used for disk cache etc.
>>>
>>> Windows will, by design, always attempt to find some use, anything
>>> whatever that is of some potential benefit rather than leaving the RAM
>>> sitting there idly going to rot. "Available physical memory" should
>>> in some respects be referred to as "Useless physical memory" because
>>> it represents memory for which Windows has so far been totally unable
>>> to find any beneficial use for.
>>>
>>> Also note that the PF Usage figure reported by Windows Task Manager
>>> includes a large proportion of "phantom" usage with regard to the
>>> unused portions of memory allocation requests. Windows components,
>>> device drivers, and application programs typically request memory
>>> allocations that are somewhat larger than what will usually be needed
>>> under normal circumstances. By design Windows must assign memory
>>> address space to satisfy all of the memory allocation requests that
>>> are issued. So what happens is that RAM locations are only allocated
>>> to the portion of the request that is actually being used and the
>>> unused portion is allocated to the page file. Note that this
>>> allocation of unused memory requests to the page file does not require
>>> any actual disk activity - all that is needed is to make entries in
>>> the memory mapping tables maintained by the CPU.
>>>
>>> Hope this clarifies the situation.
>>>
>>> Good luck
>>>
>>> Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
>>> --
>>> Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
>>> On-Line Help Computer Service
>>> http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
>>
>>
>
>

[David Candy]

No you didn't. You merely posted a pile of crap. Doný waste my time moron. Eiothger post a coherant post or **** off.

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"Mak" > wrote in message ...
> hmm.. what ideas? why have to?
> I just pointed out that systeminfo provides inaccurate information and gave
> example.. and that's all there is on the subject.
>
> "David Candy" <.> wrote in message
> ...
> You'll have to try writing your ideas out.
>
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> "Mak" > wrote in message
> ...
>> sure, if you need this:
>> Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
>> (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.
>>
>> C:\>dir systeminfo.exe /s
>> Volume in drive C has no label.
>> Volume Serial Number is 707D-EBF5
>>
>> Directory of C:\I386
>>
>> 04/08/2004 08:00 AM 68,096 systeminfo.exe
>> 1 File(s) 68,096 bytes
>>
>> Directory of C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32
>>
>> 04/08/2004 08:00 AM 68,096 systeminfo.exe
>> 1 File(s) 68,096 bytes
>>
>> Total Files Listed:
>> 2 File(s) 136,192 bytes
>> 0 Dir(s) 17,738,833,920 bytes free
>>
>> Microsoft Windows [Version 5.2.3790]
>> (C) Copyright 1985-2003 Microsoft Corp.
>>
>> C:\>dir systeminfo.exe /s
>> Volume in drive C has no label.
>> Volume Serial Number is 10A7-818D
>>
>> Directory of C:\WINDOWS\system32
>>
>> 25/03/2003 11:00 PM 79,360 systeminfo.exe
>> 1 File(s) 79,360 bytes
>>
>> Total Files Listed:
>> 1 File(s) 79,360 bytes
>> 0 Dir(s) 4,797,071,360 bytes free
>>
>>
>> "David Candy" <.> wrote in message
>> ...
>> I don't know ehat you are talking about. You need to say where you got
>> them.
>>
>> --
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Goodbye Web Diary
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>> =================================================
>> "Mak" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> it *tells* quite inaccurately (YMMV).
>>> Example.
>>> WinXP version tells this (correct numbers are in brackets):
>>> Total Physical Memory: 2,047 MB (2,047 MB)
>>> Available Physical Memory: 570 MB (570 MB)
>>> Virtual Memory: Max Size: 8,034 MB (4,092 MB)
>>> Virtual Memory: Available: 5,208 MB (4,076.3 MB)
>>> Virtual Memory: In Use: 2,826 MB (15.7 MB. Perfmon %0.383 of 4092 MB
>>> allocated)
>>> Page File Location(s): C:\pagefile.sys
>>>
>>> W2k3 version (checking the same machine as above, only wording changed):
>>> Total Physical Memory: 2,047 MB (2,047)
>>> Available Physical Memory: 570 MB (570 MB)
>>> Page File: Max Size: 8,034 MB (4,092 MB)
>>> Page File: Available: 5,208 MB (4,076.3 MB)
>>> Page File: In Use: 2,826 MB (15.7 MB)
>>> Page File Location(s): C:\pagefile.sys
>>>
>>> GUI one (msinfo32) is not better.
>>>
>>> "David Candy" <.> wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> systeminfo tells how much of the swap is being used.
>>>
>>> --
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Read David defending the concept of violence.
>>> http://margokingston.typepad.com/harry_version_2/2005/10/entering_the_ga.html#more
>>> =================================================
>>> "Ron Martell" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I know that commit charge is the amount of memory including the page
>>>>>the file that's being used by programs and the operating system. At a
>>>>>certain instant Task Manager is reporting 522,916 KB of physical ram
>>>>>total. The commit charge total is reporting 73,160 KB being used.
>>>>>Available physical memory is reporting 410,168 KB available.
>>>>>Subtracting 410,168 from 522,916 equals 112,748. If 73,160 KB is being
>>>>>used by programs and the operating system then what is the remaining
>>>>>39,588 KB being used for? I should also point out that the page file
>>>>>usage graph is showing 71.4 MB being used.
>>>>
>>>> The remaining RAM would be used for disk cache etc.
>>>>
>>>> Windows will, by design, always attempt to find some use, anything
>>>> whatever that is of some potential benefit rather than leaving the RAM
>>>> sitting there idly going to rot. "Available physical memory" should
>>>> in some respects be referred to as "Useless physical memory" because
>>>> it represents memory for which Windows has so far been totally unable
>>>> to find any beneficial use for.
>>>>
>>>> Also note that the PF Usage figure reported by Windows Task Manager
>>>> includes a large proportion of "phantom" usage with regard to the
>>>> unused portions of memory allocation requests. Windows components,
>>>> device drivers, and application programs typically request memory
>>>> allocations that are somewhat larger than what will usually be needed
>>>> under normal circumstances. By design Windows must assign memory
>>>> address space to satisfy all of the memory allocation requests that
>>>> are issued. So what happens is that RAM locations are only allocated
>>>> to the portion of the request that is actually being used and the
>>>> unused portion is allocated to the page file. Note that this
>>>> allocation of unused memory requests to the page file does not require
>>>> any actual disk activity - all that is needed is to make entries in
>>>> the memory mapping tables maintained by the CPU.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this clarifies the situation.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck
>>>>
>>>> Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
>>>> --
>>>> Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
>>>> On-Line Help Computer Service
>>>> http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Mak]

hmm.. what ideas? why have to?
I just pointed out that systeminfo provides inaccurate information and gave
example.. and that's all there is on the subject.

"David Candy" <.> wrote in message
...
You'll have to try writing your ideas out.

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"Mak" > wrote in message
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> sure, if you need this:
> Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
> (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.
>
> C:\>dir systeminfo.exe /s
> Volume in drive C has no label.
> Volume Serial Number is 707D-EBF5
>
> Directory of C:\I386
>
> 04/08/2004 08:00 AM 68,096 systeminfo.exe
> 1 File(s) 68,096 bytes
>
> Directory of C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32
>
> 04/08/2004 08:00 AM 68,096 systeminfo.exe
> 1 File(s) 68,096 bytes
>
> Total Files Listed:
> 2 File(s) 136,192 bytes
> 0 Dir(s) 17,738,833,920 bytes free
>
> Microsoft Windows [Version 5.2.3790]
> (C) Copyright 1985-2003 Microsoft Corp.
>
> C:\>dir systeminfo.exe /s
> Volume in drive C has no label.
> Volume Serial Number is 10A7-818D
>
> Directory of C:\WINDOWS\system32
>
> 25/03/2003 11:00 PM 79,360 systeminfo.exe
> 1 File(s) 79,360 bytes
>
> Total Files Listed:
> 1 File(s) 79,360 bytes
> 0 Dir(s) 4,797,071,360 bytes free
>
>
> "David Candy" <.> wrote in message
> ...
> I don't know ehat you are talking about. You need to say where you got
> them.
>
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> =================================================
> "Mak" > wrote in message
> ...
>> it *tells* quite inaccurately (YMMV).
>> Example.
>> WinXP version tells this (correct numbers are in brackets):
>> Total Physical Memory: 2,047 MB (2,047 MB)
>> Available Physical Memory: 570 MB (570 MB)
>> Virtual Memory: Max Size: 8,034 MB (4,092 MB)
>> Virtual Memory: Available: 5,208 MB (4,076.3 MB)
>> Virtual Memory: In Use: 2,826 MB (15.7 MB. Perfmon %0.383 of 4092 MB
>> allocated)
>> Page File Location(s): C:\pagefile.sys
>>
>> W2k3 version (checking the same machine as above, only wording changed):
>> Total Physical Memory: 2,047 MB (2,047)
>> Available Physical Memory: 570 MB (570 MB)
>> Page File: Max Size: 8,034 MB (4,092 MB)
>> Page File: Available: 5,208 MB (4,076.3 MB)
>> Page File: In Use: 2,826 MB (15.7 MB)
>> Page File Location(s): C:\pagefile.sys
>>
>> GUI one (msinfo32) is not better.
>>
>> "David Candy" <.> wrote in message
>> ...
>> systeminfo tells how much of the swap is being used.
>>
>> --
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Read David defending the concept of violence.
>> http://margokingston.typepad.com/harry_version_2/2005/10/entering_the_ga.html#more
>> =================================================
>> "Ron Martell" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I know that commit charge is the amount of memory including the page
>>>>the file that's being used by programs and the operating system. At a
>>>>certain instant Task Manager is reporting 522,916 KB of physical ram
>>>>total. The commit charge total is reporting 73,160 KB being used.
>>>>Available physical memory is reporting 410,168 KB available.
>>>>Subtracting 410,168 from 522,916 equals 112,748. If 73,160 KB is being
>>>>used by programs and the operating system then what is the remaining
>>>>39,588 KB being used for? I should also point out that the page file
>>>>usage graph is showing 71.4 MB being used.
>>>
>>> The remaining RAM would be used for disk cache etc.
>>>
>>> Windows will, by design, always attempt to find some use, anything
>>> whatever that is of some potential benefit rather than leaving the RAM
>>> sitting there idly going to rot. "Available physical memory" should
>>> in some respects be referred to as "Useless physical memory" because
>>> it represents memory for which Windows has so far been totally unable
>>> to find any beneficial use for.
>>>
>>> Also note that the PF Usage figure reported by Windows Task Manager
>>> includes a large proportion of "phantom" usage with regard to the
>>> unused portions of memory allocation requests. Windows components,
>>> device drivers, and application programs typically request memory
>>> allocations that are somewhat larger than what will usually be needed
>>> under normal circumstances. By design Windows must assign memory
>>> address space to satisfy all of the memory allocation requests that
>>> are issued. So what happens is that RAM locations are only allocated
>>> to the portion of the request that is actually being used and the
>>> unused portion is allocated to the page file. Note that this
>>> allocation of unused memory requests to the page file does not require
>>> any actual disk activity - all that is needed is to make entries in
>>> the memory mapping tables maintained by the CPU.
>>>
>>> Hope this clarifies the situation.
>>>
>>> Good luck
>>>
>>> Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
>>> --
>>> Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
>>> On-Line Help Computer Service
>>> http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
>>
>>
>
>

[Ron Martell]

"Ken Blake, MVP" > wrote:

>Bob I wrote:
>
>> Actually it tells how much is available.
>
>
>Actually it tells both. It shows all three of the following:
>
>Virtual Memory: Max Size:
>Virtual Memory: Available:
>Virtual Memory: In Use:
>

And that is a third value for page file usage. I wonder what this one
actually represents?

From my machine at this moment:
Virtual Memory in use: 40 mb (from systeminfo in a command prompt
window)
PF Usage: 396 mb (from Task Manager)
Current pagefile usage 31 mb (from Bill James' utility)

Pick a number, any number. :-)

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

[Mak]

Ron,
systeminfo shows the wrong info.
task manager has no way of showing page file usage (PF Usage in TM is commit
charge) - so that's out of the picture.
Looks like Bill James' WinXP-2K_Pagefile.vbs (is this the one you are
talking about?) script shows the same info as Perfmon - so that's correct.

"Ron Martell" > wrote in message
...
> "Ken Blake, MVP" > wrote:
>
>>Bob I wrote:
>>
>>> Actually it tells how much is available.
>>
>>
>>Actually it tells both. It shows all three of the following:
>>
>>Virtual Memory: Max Size:
>>Virtual Memory: Available:
>>Virtual Memory: In Use:
>>
>
> And that is a third value for page file usage. I wonder what this one
> actually represents?
>
> From my machine at this moment:
> Virtual Memory in use: 40 mb (from systeminfo in a command prompt
> window)
> PF Usage: 396 mb (from Task Manager)
> Current pagefile usage 31 mb (from Bill James' utility)
>
> Pick a number, any number. :-)
>
> Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
> --
> Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
> On-Line Help Computer Service
> http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

[Mak]

in-line replies.

>"David Candy" <.> wrote in message
...
>No you didn't. You merely posted a pile of crap.
I'm sorry my post wasn't up to your posting standards.

>Doný waste my time moron. Eiothger post a coherant post or **** off.
Wasting your valuable time wasn’t one of my intentions. Apologies in advance
if you find the need to reply to this one too.
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"Mak" > wrote in message
...
> hmm.. what ideas? why have to?
> I just pointed out that systeminfo provides inaccurate information and
> gave
> example.. and that's all there is on the subject.
>
> "David Candy" <.> wrote in message
> ...
> You'll have to try writing your ideas out.
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> "Mak" > wrote in message
> ...
>> sure, if you need this:
>> Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
>> (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.
>>
>> C:\>dir systeminfo.exe /s
>> Volume in drive C has no label.
>> Volume Serial Number is 707D-EBF5
>>
>> Directory of C:\I386
>>
>> 04/08/2004 08:00 AM 68,096 systeminfo.exe
>> 1 File(s) 68,096 bytes
>>
>> Directory of C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32
>>
>> 04/08/2004 08:00 AM 68,096 systeminfo.exe
>> 1 File(s) 68,096 bytes
>>
>> Total Files Listed:
>> 2 File(s) 136,192 bytes
>> 0 Dir(s) 17,738,833,920 bytes free
>>
>> Microsoft Windows [Version 5.2.3790]
>> (C) Copyright 1985-2003 Microsoft Corp.
>>
>> C:\>dir systeminfo.exe /s
>> Volume in drive C has no label.
>> Volume Serial Number is 10A7-818D
>>
>> Directory of C:\WINDOWS\system32
>>
>> 25/03/2003 11:00 PM 79,360 systeminfo.exe
>> 1 File(s) 79,360 bytes
>>
>> Total Files Listed:
>> 1 File(s) 79,360 bytes
>> 0 Dir(s) 4,797,071,360 bytes free
>>
>>
>> "David Candy" <.> wrote in message
>> ...
>> I don't know ehat you are talking about. You need to say where you got
>> them.
>>
>> --
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Goodbye Web Diary
>> http://margokingston.typepad.com/harry_version_2/2005/12/thank_you_and_g.html#comments
>> =================================================
>> "Mak" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> it *tells* quite inaccurately (YMMV).
>>> Example.
>>> WinXP version tells this (correct numbers are in brackets):
>>> Total Physical Memory: 2,047 MB (2,047 MB)
>>> Available Physical Memory: 570 MB (570 MB)
>>> Virtual Memory: Max Size: 8,034 MB (4,092 MB)
>>> Virtual Memory: Available: 5,208 MB (4,076.3 MB)
>>> Virtual Memory: In Use: 2,826 MB (15.7 MB. Perfmon %0.383 of 4092 MB
>>> allocated)
>>> Page File Location(s): C:\pagefile.sys
>>>
>>> W2k3 version (checking the same machine as above, only wording changed):
>>> Total Physical Memory: 2,047 MB (2,047)
>>> Available Physical Memory: 570 MB (570 MB)
>>> Page File: Max Size: 8,034 MB (4,092 MB)
>>> Page File: Available: 5,208 MB (4,076.3 MB)
>>> Page File: In Use: 2,826 MB (15.7 MB)
>>> Page File Location(s): C:\pagefile.sys
>>>
>>> GUI one (msinfo32) is not better.
>>>
>>> "David Candy" <.> wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> systeminfo tells how much of the swap is being used.
>>>
>>> --
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Read David defending the concept of violence.
>>> http://margokingston.typepad.com/harry_version_2/2005/10/entering_the_ga.html#more
>>> =================================================
>>> "Ron Martell" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I know that commit charge is the amount of memory including the page
>>>>>the file that's being used by programs and the operating system. At a
>>>>>certain instant Task Manager is reporting 522,916 KB of physical ram
>>>>>total. The commit charge total is reporting 73,160 KB being used.
>>>>>Available physical memory is reporting 410,168 KB available.
>>>>>Subtracting 410,168 from 522,916 equals 112,748. If 73,160 KB is being
>>>>>used by programs and the operating system then what is the remaining
>>>>>39,588 KB being used for? I should also point out that the page file
>>>>>usage graph is showing 71.4 MB being used.
>>>>
>>>> The remaining RAM would be used for disk cache etc.
>>>>
>>>> Windows will, by design, always attempt to find some use, anything
>>>> whatever that is of some potential benefit rather than leaving the RAM
>>>> sitting there idly going to rot. "Available physical memory" should
>>>> in some respects be referred to as "Useless physical memory" because
>>>> it represents memory for which Windows has so far been totally unable
>>>> to find any beneficial use for.
>>>>
>>>> Also note that the PF Usage figure reported by Windows Task Manager
>>>> includes a large proportion of "phantom" usage with regard to the
>>>> unused portions of memory allocation requests. Windows components,
>>>> device drivers, and application programs typically request memory
>>>> allocations that are somewhat larger than what will usually be needed
>>>> under normal circumstances. By design Windows must assign memory
>>>> address space to satisfy all of the memory allocation requests that
>>>> are issued. So what happens is that RAM locations are only allocated
>>>> to the portion of the request that is actually being used and the
>>>> unused portion is allocated to the page file. Note that this
>>>> allocation of unused memory requests to the page file does not require
>>>> any actual disk activity - all that is needed is to make entries in
>>>> the memory mapping tables maintained by the CPU.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this clarifies the situation.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck
>>>>
>>>> Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
>>>> --
>>>> Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
>>>> On-Line Help Computer Service
>>>> http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[David Candy]

Show it then.

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"Mak" > wrote in message ...
> Ron,
> systeminfo shows the wrong info.
> task manager has no way of showing page file usage (PF Usage in TM is commit
> charge) - so that's out of the picture.
> Looks like Bill James' WinXP-2K_Pagefile.vbs (is this the one you are
> talking about?) script shows the same info as Perfmon - so that's correct.
>
> "Ron Martell" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Ken Blake, MVP" > wrote:
>>
>>>Bob I wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually it tells how much is available.
>>>
>>>
>>>Actually it tells both. It shows all three of the following:
>>>
>>>Virtual Memory: Max Size:
>>>Virtual Memory: Available:
>>>Virtual Memory: In Use:
>>>
>>
>> And that is a third value for page file usage. I wonder what this one
>> actually represents?
>>
>> From my machine at this moment:
>> Virtual Memory in use: 40 mb (from systeminfo in a command prompt
>> window)
>> PF Usage: 396 mb (from Task Manager)
>> Current pagefile usage 31 mb (from Bill James' utility)
>>
>> Pick a number, any number. :-)
>>
>> Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
>> --
>> Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
>> On-Line Help Computer Service
>> http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
>
>

[David Candy]

Give the data you post in a coherant form (like where it came from). It is just a list of MB numbers and meaningless.

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"Mak" > wrote in message ...
> in-line replies.
>
>>"David Candy" <.> wrote in message
...
>>No you didn't. You merely posted a pile of crap.
> I'm sorry my post wasn't up to your posting standards.
>
>>Doný waste my time moron. Eiothger post a coherant post or **** off.
> Wasting your valuable time wasn’t one of my intentions. Apologies in advance
> if you find the need to reply to this one too.
> --
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Goodbye Web Diary
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> =================================================
> "Mak" > wrote in message
> ...
>> hmm.. what ideas? why have to?
>> I just pointed out that systeminfo provides inaccurate information and
>> gave
>> example.. and that's all there is on the subject.
>>
>> "David Candy" <.> wrote in message
>> ...
>> You'll have to try writing your ideas out.
>>
>> --
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Goodbye Web Diary
>> http://margokingston.typepad.com/harry_version_2/2005/12/thank_you_and_g.html#comments
>> =================================================
>> "Mak" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> sure, if you need this:
>>> Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
>>> (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.
>>>
>>> C:\>dir systeminfo.exe /s
>>> Volume in drive C has no label.
>>> Volume Serial Number is 707D-EBF5
>>>
>>> Directory of C:\I386
>>>
>>> 04/08/2004 08:00 AM 68,096 systeminfo.exe
>>> 1 File(s) 68,096 bytes
>>>
>>> Directory of C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32
>>>
>>> 04/08/2004 08:00 AM 68,096 systeminfo.exe
>>> 1 File(s) 68,096 bytes
>>>
>>> Total Files Listed:
>>> 2 File(s) 136,192 bytes
>>> 0 Dir(s) 17,738,833,920 bytes free
>>>
>>> Microsoft Windows [Version 5.2.3790]
>>> (C) Copyright 1985-2003 Microsoft Corp.
>>>
>>> C:\>dir systeminfo.exe /s
>>> Volume in drive C has no label.
>>> Volume Serial Number is 10A7-818D
>>>
>>> Directory of C:\WINDOWS\system32
>>>
>>> 25/03/2003 11:00 PM 79,360 systeminfo.exe
>>> 1 File(s) 79,360 bytes
>>>
>>> Total Files Listed:
>>> 1 File(s) 79,360 bytes
>>> 0 Dir(s) 4,797,071,360 bytes free
>>>
>>>
>>> "David Candy" <.> wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> I don't know ehat you are talking about. You need to say where you got
>>> them.
>>>
>>> --
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Goodbye Web Diary
>>> http://margokingston.typepad.com/harry_version_2/2005/12/thank_you_and_g.html#comments
>>> =================================================
>>> "Mak" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> it *tells* quite inaccurately (YMMV).
>>>> Example.
>>>> WinXP version tells this (correct numbers are in brackets):
>>>> Total Physical Memory: 2,047 MB (2,047 MB)
>>>> Available Physical Memory: 570 MB (570 MB)
>>>> Virtual Memory: Max Size: 8,034 MB (4,092 MB)
>>>> Virtual Memory: Available: 5,208 MB (4,076.3 MB)
>>>> Virtual Memory: In Use: 2,826 MB (15.7 MB. Perfmon %0.383 of 4092 MB
>>>> allocated)
>>>> Page File Location(s): C:\pagefile.sys
>>>>
>>>> W2k3 version (checking the same machine as above, only wording changed):
>>>> Total Physical Memory: 2,047 MB (2,047)
>>>> Available Physical Memory: 570 MB (570 MB)
>>>> Page File: Max Size: 8,034 MB (4,092 MB)
>>>> Page File: Available: 5,208 MB (4,076.3 MB)
>>>> Page File: In Use: 2,826 MB (15.7 MB)
>>>> Page File Location(s): C:\pagefile.sys
>>>>
>>>> GUI one (msinfo32) is not better.
>>>>
>>>> "David Candy" <.> wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> systeminfo tells how much of the swap is being used.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Read David defending the concept of violence.
>>>> http://margokingston.typepad.com/harry_version_2/2005/10/entering_the_ga.html#more
>>>> =================================================
>>>> "Ron Martell" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I know that commit charge is the amount of memory including the page
>>>>>>the file that's being used by programs and the operating system. At a
>>>>>>certain instant Task Manager is reporting 522,916 KB of physical ram
>>>>>>total. The commit charge total is reporting 73,160 KB being used.
>>>>>>Available physical memory is reporting 410,168 KB available.
>>>>>>Subtracting 410,168 from 522,916 equals 112,748. If 73,160 KB is being
>>>>>>used by programs and the operating system then what is the remaining
>>>>>>39,588 KB being used for? I should also point out that the page file
>>>>>>usage graph is showing 71.4 MB being used.
>>>>>
>>>>> The remaining RAM would be used for disk cache etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows will, by design, always attempt to find some use, anything
>>>>> whatever that is of some potential benefit rather than leaving the RAM
>>>>> sitting there idly going to rot. "Available physical memory" should
>>>>> in some respects be referred to as "Useless physical memory" because
>>>>> it represents memory for which Windows has so far been totally unable
>>>>> to find any beneficial use for.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also note that the PF Usage figure reported by Windows Task Manager
>>>>> includes a large proportion of "phantom" usage with regard to the
>>>>> unused portions of memory allocation requests. Windows components,
>>>>> device drivers, and application programs typically request memory
>>>>> allocations that are somewhat larger than what will usually be needed
>>>>> under normal circumstances. By design Windows must assign memory
>>>>> address space to satisfy all of the memory allocation requests that
>>>>> are issued. So what happens is that RAM locations are only allocated
>>>>> to the portion of the request that is actually being used and the
>>>>> unused portion is allocated to the page file. Note that this
>>>>> allocation of unused memory requests to the page file does not require
>>>>> any actual disk activity - all that is needed is to make entries in
>>>>> the memory mapping tables maintained by the CPU.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this clarifies the situation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
>>>>> --
>>>>> Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
>>>>> On-Line Help Computer Service
>>>>> http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>