Slow XP

[Ray]

I see that Microsoft has released Windows XP Service Pack
1, which essentially destroys XPs operating speed. I
still use Windows 98SE because I wanted to wait for
Microsoft to work the bugs out of XP first but it seems
that now Microsoft will sabotage it's own operating system
and refuse to fix it. Why would a company do that? I
have watched similar things done to Internet Explorer.
Pop up and Pop Under advertisement windows have made using
the internet a negative and aggravating experience. Other
browsers allow an end user to prevent pop ups and pop
unders. This strongly suggests that there must be some
financial reason that Microsoft would allow this sort of
Guerilla Advertising in its internet browser. And it is
no secret that there is a leap frog formula whereby the
software is made so cpu-cycle intensive that it forces end
users to buy faster hardware but the cycle never ends.
What is also clear is the obvious trend to allow outside
agencies and companies to have more and more control over
individual's computer systems. Sending information back
out to web sites, applying patches automatically in the
background, tracking user habits and activities. By it's
very nature, these practices will eventually get out of
control. It is completely self limiting and eventually
the abuses and liberties being taken at the end
user/customers expense will kill the very thing it wishes
to control, peoples online and computing experience. This
can only go on for so long and the buying public as a
whole will continue to become more educated and wise about
computers, especially when the digital generation gets
older. Wouldn't it be better for Microsoft to start
operating in a friendlier manner? Or is it just that
Microsoft has grown so large that it has grown out of
control?

[Will Denny]

Hi



> I see that Microsoft has released Windows XP Service Pack 1, which =
essentially destroys XPs operating speed.

A few detailed occurrences of the 'destuction' would be helpful.
=20
> I still use Windows 98SE because I wanted to wait for Microsoft to =
work the bugs out of XP first but it seems that now Microsoft will =
sabotage it's own >operating system and refuse to fix it.

To fix what *exactly* - again a few details from yourself would help.

>Why would a company do that? I have watched similar things done to =
Internet Explorer. =20

Again a few more details would help.

I'm not going to any further with answering your posting as I believe =
that you perhpas haven't got the 'correct' PC to run XP.

Will

> Pop up and Pop Under advertisement windows have made using=20
> the internet a negative and aggravating experience. Other=20
> browsers allow an end user to prevent pop ups and pop=20
> unders. This strongly suggests that there must be some=20
> financial reason that Microsoft would allow this sort of=20
> Guerilla Advertising in its internet browser. And it is=20
> no secret that there is a leap frog formula whereby the=20
> software is made so cpu-cycle intensive that it forces end=20
> users to buy faster hardware but the cycle never ends. =20
> What is also clear is the obvious trend to allow outside=20
> agencies and companies to have more and more control over=20
> individual's computer systems. Sending information back=20
> out to web sites, applying patches automatically in the=20
> background, tracking user habits and activities. By it's=20
> very nature, these practices will eventually get out of=20
> control. It is completely self limiting and eventually=20
> the abuses and liberties being taken at the end=20
> user/customers expense will kill the very thing it wishes=20
> to control, peoples online and computing experience. This=20
> can only go on for so long and the buying public as a=20
> whole will continue to become more educated and wise about=20
> computers, especially when the digital generation gets=20
> older. Wouldn't it be better for Microsoft to start=20
> operating in a friendlier manner? Or is it just that=20
> Microsoft has grown so large that it has grown out of=20
> control?


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[Testy]

"Ray" > wrote in message
...
> This can only go on for so long and the buying public as a
> whole will continue to become more educated and wise about
> computers, especially when the digital generation gets
> older.

If that were true then the previous problems you stated would be irrelevant.
Learn how to use your computer.

Testy



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[Sergey]

There is a small bug making win xp slower agter sp1
however there is a hotfix for it, i think MS decided to
take the hotfix off and just have it a part of sp2, BTW if
you run win98 and think xp is slow you have problems. XP
wont crash on you like win98. Also you could always try
win2k.

heh the thought of win98 being better then XP makes me
want to cry.

Sergey
>-----Original Message-----
>
>"Ray" > wrote in message
...
>> This can only go on for so long and the buying public
as a
>> whole will continue to become more educated and wise
about
>> computers, especially when the digital generation gets
>> older.
>
>If that were true then the previous problems you stated
would be irrelevant.
>Learn how to use your computer.
>
>Testy
>
>
>
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[Will Denny]

Sergey, where do you get your info from regarding SP2 - several other =
people have said the same, but AFAIK, ATM, there is no SP2 for XP.

Will

"Sergey" > wrote in message =
...
> There is a small bug making win xp slower agter sp1=20
> however there is a hotfix for it, i think MS decided to=20
> take the hotfix off and just have it a part of sp2, BTW if=20
> you run win98 and think xp is slow you have problems. XP=20
> wont crash on you like win98. Also you could always try=20
> win2k.=20
>=20
> heh the thought of win98 being better then XP makes me=20
> want to cry.
>=20
> Sergey
> >-----Original Message-----
> >
> >"Ray" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> This can only go on for so long and the buying public=20
> as a
> >> whole will continue to become more educated and wise=20
> about
> >> computers, especially when the digital generation gets
> >> older.
> >
> >If that were true then the previous problems you stated=20
> would be irrelevant.
> >Learn how to use your computer.
> >
> >Testy
> >
> >
> >
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[Sergey]

SP2 is not yet released though the fixes comming out now
will all be included in SP2. The specific fix i was
talking about is on my home computer and i can e mail it
to you after i get home from work, its about 500k. Unless
you are employed by Microsoft you don't know the release
date for SP2. My guess on it is sometime in september or
october. I get my information from Computer Forums and
sites. The best would be www.Arstechnica.com a great site
on news and it has the best Forums out there. If you have
a computer related qestion they can help pretty fast. Just
post in the right Forum.

Sergey

>-----Original Message-----
>Sergey, where do you get your info from regarding SP2 -
several other people have said the same, but AFAIK, ATM,
there is no SP2 for XP.
>
>Will
>
>"Sergey" > wrote in message news:0c5301c34d33
...
>> There is a small bug making win xp slower agter sp1
>> however there is a hotfix for it, i think MS decided to
>> take the hotfix off and just have it a part of sp2, BTW
if
>> you run win98 and think xp is slow you have problems.
XP
>> wont crash on you like win98. Also you could always try
>> win2k.
>>
>> heh the thought of win98 being better then XP makes me
>> want to cry.
>>
>> Sergey
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >
>> >"Ray" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> This can only go on for so long and the buying
public
>> as a
>> >> whole will continue to become more educated and wise
>> about
>> >> computers, especially when the digital generation
gets
>> >> older.
>> >
>> >If that were true then the previous problems you
stated
>> would be irrelevant.
>> >Learn how to use your computer.
>> >
>> >Testy
>> >
>> >
>> >
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[Will Denny]

Hi

I don't work for Microsoft, but I can assure you that there is no SP2 in =
the offing ATM.

Will

"Sergey" <no@no> wrote in message =
...
> SP2 is not yet released though the fixes comming out now=20
> will all be included in SP2. The specific fix i was=20
> talking about is on my home computer and i can e mail it=20
> to you after i get home from work, its about 500k. Unless=20
> you are employed by Microsoft you don't know the release=20
> date for SP2. My guess on it is sometime in september or=20
> october. I get my information from Computer Forums and=20
> sites. The best would be www.Arstechnica.com a great site=20
> on news and it has the best Forums out there. If you have=20
> a computer related qestion they can help pretty fast. Just=20
> post in the right Forum.
>=20
> Sergey
>=20
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Sergey, where do you get your info from regarding SP2 -=20
> several other people have said the same, but AFAIK, ATM,=20
> there is no SP2 for XP.
> >
> >Will
> >
> >"Sergey" > wrote in message news:0c5301c34d33
> ...
> >> There is a small bug making win xp slower agter sp1=20
> >> however there is a hotfix for it, i think MS decided to=20
> >> take the hotfix off and just have it a part of sp2, BTW=20
> if=20
> >> you run win98 and think xp is slow you have problems.=20
> XP=20
> >> wont crash on you like win98. Also you could always try=20
> >> win2k.=20
> >>=20
> >> heh the thought of win98 being better then XP makes me=20
> >> want to cry.
> >>=20
> >> Sergey
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >
> >> >"Ray" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >> This can only go on for so long and the buying=20
> public=20
> >> as a
> >> >> whole will continue to become more educated and wise=20
> >> about
> >> >> computers, especially when the digital generation=20
> gets
> >> >> older.
> >> >
> >> >If that were true then the previous problems you=20
> stated=20
> >> would be irrelevant.
> >> >Learn how to use your computer.
> >> >
> >> >Testy
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> >.
> >> >
> >
> >
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[sergey]

Clearly you are misunderstanding me. I am not saying SP2
is out. I am saying the fixes you get now will come with
sp2 since sp's are just a pack of fixes some of which were
already released. the fix that fixes the effect of sp1
making win XP slower was released however is now not on
the microsoft dl page that i know off. I dont know where
you got your information of me saying there is a sp2
because no where in my msg did i say there is a sp2 now.
I even said that my guess on its release is september or
October. You will notice in add and remove programs that
some critical updates say sp2 thats because they will come
with it when it comes out.

Sergey

>-----Original Message-----
>Hi
>
>I don't work for Microsoft, but I can assure you that
there is no SP2 in the offing ATM.
>
>Will
>
>"Sergey" <no@no> wrote in message news:004801c34d41
...
>> SP2 is not yet released though the fixes comming out
now
>> will all be included in SP2. The specific fix i was
>> talking about is on my home computer and i can e mail
it
>> to you after i get home from work, its about 500k.
Unless
>> you are employed by Microsoft you don't know the
release
>> date for SP2. My guess on it is sometime in september
or
>> october. I get my information from Computer Forums and
>> sites. The best would be www.Arstechnica.com a great
site
>> on news and it has the best Forums out there. If you
have
>> a computer related qestion they can help pretty fast.
Just
>> post in the right Forum.
>>
>> Sergey
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >Sergey, where do you get your info from regarding SP2 -

>> several other people have said the same, but AFAIK,
ATM,
>> there is no SP2 for XP.
>> >
>> >Will
>> >
>> >"Sergey" > wrote in message news:0c5301c34d33
>> ...
>> >> There is a small bug making win xp slower agter sp1
>> >> however there is a hotfix for it, i think MS decided
to
>> >> take the hotfix off and just have it a part of sp2,
BTW
>> if
>> >> you run win98 and think xp is slow you have
problems.
>> XP
>> >> wont crash on you like win98. Also you could always
try
>> >> win2k.
>> >>
>> >> heh the thought of win98 being better then XP makes
me
>> >> want to cry.
>> >>
>> >> Sergey
>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >
>> >> >"Ray" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >> This can only go on for so long and the buying
>> public
>> >> as a
>> >> >> whole will continue to become more educated and
wise
>> >> about
>> >> >> computers, especially when the digital generation
>> gets
>> >> >> older.
>> >> >
>> >> >If that were true then the previous problems you
>> stated
>> >> would be irrelevant.
>> >> >Learn how to use your computer.
>> >> >
>> >> >Testy
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >---
>> >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
>> >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system
>> (http://www.grisoft.com).
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Date:
>> >> 7/14/2003
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >.
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> >---
>> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
>> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system
(http://www.grisoft.com).
>> >Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date:
>> 14/07/2003
>> >.
>> >
>
>
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>

[Will Denny]

I still can't understand where you got the info that there 'might' an =
SP2 for XP.

Will

"sergey" > wrote in message =
...
> Clearly you are misunderstanding me. I am not saying SP2=20
> is out. I am saying the fixes you get now will come with=20
> sp2 since sp's are just a pack of fixes some of which were=20
> already released. the fix that fixes the effect of sp1=20
> making win XP slower was released however is now not on=20
> the microsoft dl page that i know off. I dont know where=20
> you got your information of me saying there is a sp2=20
> because no where in my msg did i say there is a sp2 now. =20
> I even said that my guess on its release is september or=20
> October. You will notice in add and remove programs that=20
> some critical updates say sp2 thats because they will come=20
> with it when it comes out.
>=20
> Sergey
>=20
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Hi
> >
> >I don't work for Microsoft, but I can assure you that=20
> there is no SP2 in the offing ATM.
> >
> >Will
> >
> >"Sergey" <no@no> wrote in message news:004801c34d41
> ...
> >> SP2 is not yet released though the fixes comming out=20
> now=20
> >> will all be included in SP2. The specific fix i was=20
> >> talking about is on my home computer and i can e mail=20
> it=20
> >> to you after i get home from work, its about 500k.=20
> Unless=20
> >> you are employed by Microsoft you don't know the=20
> release=20
> >> date for SP2. My guess on it is sometime in september=20
> or=20
> >> october. I get my information from Computer Forums and=20
> >> sites. The best would be www.Arstechnica.com a great=20
> site=20
> >> on news and it has the best Forums out there. If you=20
> have=20
> >> a computer related qestion they can help pretty fast.=20
> Just=20
> >> post in the right Forum.
> >>=20
> >> Sergey
> >>=20
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >Sergey, where do you get your info from regarding SP2 -
> =20
> >> several other people have said the same, but AFAIK,=20
> ATM,=20
> >> there is no SP2 for XP.
> >> >
> >> >Will
> >> >
> >> >"Sergey" > wrote in message news:0c5301c34d33
> >> ...
> >> >> There is a small bug making win xp slower agter sp1=20
> >> >> however there is a hotfix for it, i think MS decided=20
> to=20
> >> >> take the hotfix off and just have it a part of sp2,=20
> BTW=20
> >> if=20
> >> >> you run win98 and think xp is slow you have=20
> problems.=20
> >> XP=20
> >> >> wont crash on you like win98. Also you could always=20
> try=20
> >> >> win2k.=20
> >> >>=20
> >> >> heh the thought of win98 being better then XP makes=20
> me=20
> >> >> want to cry.
> >> >>=20
> >> >> Sergey
> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Ray" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> This can only go on for so long and the buying=20
> >> public=20
> >> >> as a
> >> >> >> whole will continue to become more educated and=20
> wise=20
> >> >> about
> >> >> >> computers, especially when the digital generation=20
> >> gets
> >> >> >> older.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >If that were true then the previous problems you=20
> >> stated=20
> >> >> would be irrelevant.
> >> >> >Learn how to use your computer.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Testy
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >---
> >> >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> >> >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system=20
> >> (http://www.grisoft.com).
> >> >> >Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release=20
> Date:=20
> >> >> 7/14/2003
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >.
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >---
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> >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system=20
> (http://www.grisoft.com).
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> >> >.
> >> >
> >
> >
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[Ray]

Please see the article at
http://www.pcworld.com/howto/article/0,aid,111108,00.asp

This should explain everything. Please see the article
below in it's entirety. Thank you for your polite
approach, do remember that I am addressing Microsoft, not
you personally. My feeling is that products should be
designed to actually work most of the time. I feel like a
hamster on a hamster wheel when I have to make constant
patches, upgrades etc. including being constantly vigilant
to guard against viruses and hacker vulnerabilities. The
thing that burns me the most is that the programs and
plugins used on web sites are constantly being changed and
tweaked which require a user to constantly patch and
update their own system. And of course the "improvements"
always contain their own bugs and vulnerabilities which
bring smaller aftershocks of patches and tweaks. I feel
very strongly that right now, the marketing departments of
software and computer hardware companies are directing the
so called "improvements" and successive iterations of
computer software and hardware. It creates this endless
cycle of upgrades which bleeds the customer of every last
cent that they feel they can part with. I'm sure that
this is intended to keep the real computing enthusiasts
hypnotized by every new nifty program and fastest cpu so
they will spend every free penny on it. Those of us who
are a little more balanced when it comes to budgeting
money are left very frustrated. If computers in general
and the internet experience specifically were more user
friendly and less strewn with landmines and marketing
traps, chances are very likely that the sales would
explode. Look at how many people have televisions.
Imagine the same number of people having computers with
internet accounts. Turn it on, surf, read shop and
relax. That's a money maker. Not patch, patch, patch,
repair, re-install the operating system, delete disgusting
pornographic email and try to figure out how someone on
the other side of the globe got your credit card number
and is now assuming your identity. Again, please see the
article below.


************************************************** ******

Bugs and Fixes: A Big Microsoft Mess--Patches Gone Bad

The company now says that XP performance issues don't
warrant a remedy.

Stuart J. Johnston
From the August 2003 issue of PC World magazine
Posted Wednesday, June 25, 2003

Last winter, Devin Wood of Milford, Massachusetts,
installed Service Pack 1 for Windows XP. Right after that,
his PC got slower, and he's been unhappy with it ever
since. "I'm sick of watching my desktop icons draw like
someone is inside my computer with an Etch-A-Sketch," says
Wood.

We received many similar reports from readers after SP1
rolled out (go to "Proceed With Caution When Using
Microsoft Patch"). Several months later, Microsoft said
that it had released patches to fix the performance snags.
But now we get the bad news: Microsoft admits that it
didn't address readers' problems, and the company says it
has no plans to fix the situation at all.

Here's how the saga unfolded: When Microsoft first
released the supposed fix, it told us that the only way to
get help was to call Microsoft (see June's Bugs & Fixes
at "Leaky Windows--Keep the Hackers Out"). Hordes of
unhappy XP users picked up the phone. Some readers said
company technicians told them there was no fix for XP
performance woes. "The tech denied the problem [existed],"
recalls Devin Wood. But other readers spoke to techs who
were aware of the problem, and they received e-mail
messages with a link to a fix. It turns out that some of
these readers were directed to one patch, and others to a
different (unrelated) patch. Neither fix took care of the
problem. (If you installed either one of these two
patches, your PC won't be affected, according to
Microsoft.)

Double Trouble
The first patch, a "hot fix" labeled Q815411 (details
at "Heap Algorithm Update for Atypically Large Heap
Requests") was aimed at a small set of corporate
customers. Hot fixes are quickie patches that Microsoft
creates when users run into specific problems.

"The patch was mislabeled," says Greg Sullivan, lead
product manager with Microsoft's Windows group. "This
enterprise hot fix was created for PCs running under very
specific circumstances."

The second patch, labeled Q811493, was a revised security
fix affecting Windows XP, 2000, and NT. Microsoft had to
withdraw the original security fix because it introduced
performance lags for some SP1 users. Visit "Buffer Overrun
in Windows Kernel Message" and click Technical Details for
Microsoft's notes about the reissued patch.

After this crazy runaround, we continue to receive
readers' reports about sluggish PCs relating to SP1.
Nevertheless, Microsoft doesn't believe that the problem
deserves a patch.

"[We've] not received broad general feedback about
performance issues with SP1," Microsoft's Sullivan tells
us. "Therefore, [we're] not currently developing a widely
applicable patch."

Some readers have uninstalled SP1 to get performance back.
Visit "Microsoft Windows Service Pack 1 Readme" for
Microsoft's notes on how to remove SP1. Sullivan doesn't
advise users to do this, but it seems to be your only
(extreme) option. Sullivan also says that, in general, you
don't need SP1 to get future updates, although some
updates (known as quick-fix engineering updates) do
require SP1.

Microsoft's site doesn't offer an easy way to submit a
complaint. Send your SP1 reports to .

Stuart J. Johnston is a contributing editor for PC World.
Click on the link for more Bugs and Fixes columns.







>-----Original Message-----
>Hi
>
>
>
>> I see that Microsoft has released Windows XP Service
Pack 1, which essentially destroys XPs operating speed.
>
>A few detailed occurrences of the 'destuction' would be
helpful.
>
>> I still use Windows 98SE because I wanted to wait for
Microsoft to work the bugs out of XP first but it seems
that now Microsoft will sabotage it's own >operating
system and refuse to fix it.
>
>To fix what *exactly* - again a few details from yourself
would help.
>
>>Why would a company do that? I have watched similar
things done to Internet Explorer.
>
>Again a few more details would help.
>
>I'm not going to any further with answering your posting
as I believe that you perhpas haven't got the 'correct' PC
to run XP.
>
>Will
>
>> Pop up and Pop Under advertisement windows have made
using
>> the internet a negative and aggravating experience.
Other
>> browsers allow an end user to prevent pop ups and pop
>> unders. This strongly suggests that there must be some
>> financial reason that Microsoft would allow this sort
of
>> Guerilla Advertising in its internet browser. And it
is
>> no secret that there is a leap frog formula whereby the
>> software is made so cpu-cycle intensive that it forces
end
>> users to buy faster hardware but the cycle never ends.
>> What is also clear is the obvious trend to allow
outside
>> agencies and companies to have more and more control
over
>> individual's computer systems. Sending information
back
>> out to web sites, applying patches automatically in the
>> background, tracking user habits and activities. By
it's
>> very nature, these practices will eventually get out of
>> control. It is completely self limiting and eventually
>> the abuses and liberties being taken at the end
>> user/customers expense will kill the very thing it
wishes
>> to control, peoples online and computing experience.
This
>> can only go on for so long and the buying public as a
>> whole will continue to become more educated and wise
about
>> computers, especially when the digital generation gets
>> older. Wouldn't it be better for Microsoft to start
>> operating in a friendlier manner? Or is it just that
>> Microsoft has grown so large that it has grown out of
>> control?
>
>
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[sergey]

Do you mean how i know there will be an SP2?
If so then thats plain common sense! MS always releases
SP's. Just ask Microsoft if there will be a SP2 for win
XP. They will say yes.

Sergey
>-----Original Message-----
>I still can't understand where you got the info that
there 'might' an SP2 for XP.
>
>Will
>
>"sergey" > wrote in message
...
>> Clearly you are misunderstanding me. I am not saying
SP2
>> is out. I am saying the fixes you get now will come
with
>> sp2 since sp's are just a pack of fixes some of which
were
>> already released. the fix that fixes the effect of sp1
>> making win XP slower was released however is now not on
>> the microsoft dl page that i know off. I dont know
where
>> you got your information of me saying there is a sp2
>> because no where in my msg did i say there is a sp2
now.
>> I even said that my guess on its release is september
or
>> October. You will notice in add and remove programs
that
>> some critical updates say sp2 thats because they will
come
>> with it when it comes out.
>>
>> Sergey
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >Hi
>> >
>> >I don't work for Microsoft, but I can assure you that
>> there is no SP2 in the offing ATM.
>> >
>> >Will
>> >
>> >"Sergey" <no@no> wrote in message news:004801c34d41
>> ...
>> >> SP2 is not yet released though the fixes comming out
>> now
>> >> will all be included in SP2. The specific fix i was
>> >> talking about is on my home computer and i can e
mail
>> it
>> >> to you after i get home from work, its about 500k.
>> Unless
>> >> you are employed by Microsoft you don't know the
>> release
>> >> date for SP2. My guess on it is sometime in
september
>> or
>> >> october. I get my information from Computer Forums
and
>> >> sites. The best would be www.Arstechnica.com a
great
>> site
>> >> on news and it has the best Forums out there. If
you
>> have
>> >> a computer related qestion they can help pretty
fast.
>> Just
>> >> post in the right Forum.
>> >>
>> >> Sergey
>> >>
>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >Sergey, where do you get your info from regarding
SP2 -
>>
>> >> several other people have said the same, but AFAIK,
>> ATM,
>> >> there is no SP2 for XP.
>> >> >
>> >> >Will
>> >> >
>> >> >"Sergey" > wrote in message
news:0c5301c34d33
>> >> ...
>> >> >> There is a small bug making win xp slower agter
sp1
>> >> >> however there is a hotfix for it, i think MS
decided
>> to
>> >> >> take the hotfix off and just have it a part of
sp2,
>> BTW
>> >> if
>> >> >> you run win98 and think xp is slow you have
>> problems.
>> >> XP
>> >> >> wont crash on you like win98. Also you could
always
>> try
>> >> >> win2k.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> heh the thought of win98 being better then XP
makes
>> me
>> >> >> want to cry.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sergey
>> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"Ray" > wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> This can only go on for so long and the buying
>> >> public
>> >> >> as a
>> >> >> >> whole will continue to become more educated
and
>> wise
>> >> >> about
>> >> >> >> computers, especially when the digital
generation
>> >> gets
>> >> >> >> older.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >If that were true then the previous problems you
>> >> stated
>> >> >> would be irrelevant.
>> >> >> >Learn how to use your computer.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Testy
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >---
>> >> >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
>> >> >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system
>> >> (http://www.grisoft.com).
>> >> >> >Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release
>> Date:
>> >> >> 7/14/2003
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >---
>> >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
>> >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system
>> (http://www.grisoft.com).
>> >> >Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release
Date:
>> >> 14/07/2003
>> >> >.
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> >---
>> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
>> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system
(http://www.grisoft.com).
>> >Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date:
>> 14/07/2003
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>---
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>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
>Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date:
14/07/2003
>.
>

[Will Denny]

I bow to your superior knowledge and I am left in defeat - 'woe is me'.

Will

"sergey" > wrote in message =
...
> Do you mean how i know there will be an SP2?
> If so then thats plain common sense! MS always releases=20
> SP's. Just ask Microsoft if there will be a SP2 for win=20
> XP. They will say yes.
>=20
> Sergey
> >-----Original Message-----
> >I still can't understand where you got the info that=20
> there 'might' an SP2 for XP.
> >
> >Will
> >
> >"sergey" > wrote in message=20
> ...
> >> Clearly you are misunderstanding me. I am not saying=20
> SP2=20
> >> is out. I am saying the fixes you get now will come=20
> with=20
> >> sp2 since sp's are just a pack of fixes some of which=20
> were=20
> >> already released. the fix that fixes the effect of sp1=20
> >> making win XP slower was released however is now not on=20
> >> the microsoft dl page that i know off. I dont know=20
> where=20
> >> you got your information of me saying there is a sp2=20
> >> because no where in my msg did i say there is a sp2=20
> now. =20
> >> I even said that my guess on its release is september=20
> or=20
> >> October. You will notice in add and remove programs=20
> that=20
> >> some critical updates say sp2 thats because they will=20
> come=20
> >> with it when it comes out.
> >>=20
> >> Sergey
> >>=20
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >Hi
> >> >
> >> >I don't work for Microsoft, but I can assure you that=20
> >> there is no SP2 in the offing ATM.
> >> >
> >> >Will
> >> >
> >> >"Sergey" <no@no> wrote in message news:004801c34d41
> >> ...
> >> >> SP2 is not yet released though the fixes comming out=20
> >> now=20
> >> >> will all be included in SP2. The specific fix i was=20
> >> >> talking about is on my home computer and i can e=20
> mail=20
> >> it=20
> >> >> to you after i get home from work, its about 500k.=20
> >> Unless=20
> >> >> you are employed by Microsoft you don't know the=20
> >> release=20
> >> >> date for SP2. My guess on it is sometime in=20
> september=20
> >> or=20
> >> >> october. I get my information from Computer Forums=20
> and=20
> >> >> sites. The best would be www.Arstechnica.com a=20
> great=20
> >> site=20
> >> >> on news and it has the best Forums out there. If=20
> you=20
> >> have=20
> >> >> a computer related qestion they can help pretty=20
> fast.=20
> >> Just=20
> >> >> post in the right Forum.
> >> >>=20
> >> >> Sergey
> >> >>=20
> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >Sergey, where do you get your info from regarding=20
> SP2 -
> >> =20
> >> >> several other people have said the same, but AFAIK,=20
> >> ATM,=20
> >> >> there is no SP2 for XP.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Will
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Sergey" > wrote in message=20
> news:0c5301c34d33
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> There is a small bug making win xp slower agter=20
> sp1=20
> >> >> >> however there is a hotfix for it, i think MS=20
> decided=20
> >> to=20
> >> >> >> take the hotfix off and just have it a part of=20
> sp2,=20
> >> BTW=20
> >> >> if=20
> >> >> >> you run win98 and think xp is slow you have=20
> >> problems.=20
> >> >> XP=20
> >> >> >> wont crash on you like win98. Also you could=20
> always=20
> >> try=20
> >> >> >> win2k.=20
> >> >> >>=20
> >> >> >> heh the thought of win98 being better then XP=20
> makes=20
> >> me=20
> >> >> >> want to cry.
> >> >> >>=20
> >> >> >> Sergey
> >> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"Ray" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> >> This can only go on for so long and the buying=20
> >> >> public=20
> >> >> >> as a
> >> >> >> >> whole will continue to become more educated=20
> and=20
> >> wise=20
> >> >> >> about
> >> >> >> >> computers, especially when the digital=20
> generation=20
> >> >> gets
> >> >> >> >> older.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >If that were true then the previous problems you=20
> >> >> stated=20
> >> >> >> would be irrelevant.
> >> >> >> >Learn how to use your computer.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Testy
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >---
> >> >> >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> >> >> >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system=20
> >> >> (http://www.grisoft.com).
> >> >> >> >Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release=20
> >> Date:=20
> >> >> >> 7/14/2003
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >---
> >> >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> >> >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system=20
> >> (http://www.grisoft.com).
> >> >> >Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release=20
> Date:=20
> >> >> 14/07/2003
> >> >> >.
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >---
> >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system=20
> (http://www.grisoft.com).
> >> >Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date:=20
> >> 14/07/2003
> >> >.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >---
> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> >Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date:=20
> 14/07/2003
> >.
> >


---
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Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date: 14/07/2003

[sergey]

I did not mean to br rude however all service packs are,
are packs of all the critical updates and some they havent
released on windows update. You will notice SP4 just came
out for win2k less then a month ago, win xp is due for a
sp since there are many bugs that need fixxing.

Sergey

>-----Original Message-----
>I bow to your superior knowledge and I am left in defeat -
'woe is me'.
>
>Will
>
>"sergey" > wrote in message news:004301c34d53
...
>> Do you mean how i know there will be an SP2?
>> If so then thats plain common sense! MS always
releases
>> SP's. Just ask Microsoft if there will be a SP2 for win
>> XP. They will say yes.
>>
>> Sergey
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >I still can't understand where you got the info that
>> there 'might' an SP2 for XP.
>> >
>> >Will
>> >
>> >"sergey" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> Clearly you are misunderstanding me. I am not
saying
>> SP2
>> >> is out. I am saying the fixes you get now will come
>> with
>> >> sp2 since sp's are just a pack of fixes some of
which
>> were
>> >> already released. the fix that fixes the effect of
sp1
>> >> making win XP slower was released however is now not
on
>> >> the microsoft dl page that i know off. I dont know
>> where
>> >> you got your information of me saying there is a sp2
>> >> because no where in my msg did i say there is a sp2
>> now.
>> >> I even said that my guess on its release is
september
>> or
>> >> October. You will notice in add and remove programs
>> that
>> >> some critical updates say sp2 thats because they
will
>> come
>> >> with it when it comes out.
>> >>
>> >> Sergey
>> >>
>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >Hi
>> >> >
>> >> >I don't work for Microsoft, but I can assure you
that
>> >> there is no SP2 in the offing ATM.
>> >> >
>> >> >Will
>> >> >
>> >> >"Sergey" <no@no> wrote in message news:004801c34d41
>> >> ...
>> >> >> SP2 is not yet released though the fixes comming
out
>> >> now
>> >> >> will all be included in SP2. The specific fix i
was
>> >> >> talking about is on my home computer and i can e
>> mail
>> >> it
>> >> >> to you after i get home from work, its about
500k.
>> >> Unless
>> >> >> you are employed by Microsoft you don't know the
>> >> release
>> >> >> date for SP2. My guess on it is sometime in
>> september
>> >> or
>> >> >> october. I get my information from Computer
Forums
>> and
>> >> >> sites. The best would be www.Arstechnica.com a
>> great
>> >> site
>> >> >> on news and it has the best Forums out there. If
>> you
>> >> have
>> >> >> a computer related qestion they can help pretty
>> fast.
>> >> Just
>> >> >> post in the right Forum.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sergey
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >Sergey, where do you get your info from
regarding
>> SP2 -
>> >>
>> >> >> several other people have said the same, but
AFAIK,
>> >> ATM,
>> >> >> there is no SP2 for XP.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Will
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"Sergey" > wrote in message
>> news:0c5301c34d33
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> There is a small bug making win xp slower
agter
>> sp1
>> >> >> >> however there is a hotfix for it, i think MS
>> decided
>> >> to
>> >> >> >> take the hotfix off and just have it a part of
>> sp2,
>> >> BTW
>> >> >> if
>> >> >> >> you run win98 and think xp is slow you have
>> >> problems.
>> >> >> XP
>> >> >> >> wont crash on you like win98. Also you could
>> always
>> >> try
>> >> >> >> win2k.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> heh the thought of win98 being better then XP
>> makes
>> >> me
>> >> >> >> want to cry.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Sergey
>> >> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >"Ray" > wrote in
message
>> >> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> >> This can only go on for so long and the
buying
>> >> >> public
>> >> >> >> as a
>> >> >> >> >> whole will continue to become more educated
>> and
>> >> wise
>> >> >> >> about
>> >> >> >> >> computers, especially when the digital
>> generation
>> >> >> gets
>> >> >> >> >> older.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >If that were true then the previous problems
you
>> >> >> stated
>> >> >> >> would be irrelevant.
>> >> >> >> >Learn how to use your computer.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Testy
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >---
>> >> >> >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
>> >> >> >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system
>> >> >> (http://www.grisoft.com).
>> >> >> >> >Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 -
Release
>> >> Date:
>> >> >> >> 7/14/2003
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >---
>> >> >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
>> >> >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system
>> >> (http://www.grisoft.com).
>> >> >> >Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release
>> Date:
>> >> >> 14/07/2003
>> >> >> >.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >---
>> >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
>> >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system
>> (http://www.grisoft.com).
>> >> >Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release
Date:
>> >> 14/07/2003
>> >> >.
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> >---
>> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
>> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system
(http://www.grisoft.com).
>> >Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date:
>> 14/07/2003
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>---
>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
>Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date:
14/07/2003
>.
>

[Will Denny]

Hi Sergey

You weren't rude - heck I have more 'backlashes' from my eldest daughter =
- and I only see her about 10 hours per week, Thank God. I'm afraid =
that I can't comment further on whether there will be an SP2 upgrade or =
not. As for XP 'needing a fix' - perhaps, perhaps not - I'm =
non-committal as usual.

Will

"sergey" > wrote in message =
...
> I did not mean to br rude however all service packs are,=20
> are packs of all the critical updates and some they havent=20
> released on windows update. You will notice SP4 just came=20
> out for win2k less then a month ago, win xp is due for a=20
> sp since there are many bugs that need fixxing.
>=20
> Sergey
>=20
> >-----Original Message-----
> >I bow to your superior knowledge and I am left in defeat -
> 'woe is me'.
> >
> >Will
> >
> >"sergey" > wrote in message news:004301c34d53
> ...
> >> Do you mean how i know there will be an SP2?
> >> If so then thats plain common sense! MS always=20
> releases=20
> >> SP's. Just ask Microsoft if there will be a SP2 for win=20
> >> XP. They will say yes.
> >>=20
> >> Sergey
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >I still can't understand where you got the info that=20
> >> there 'might' an SP2 for XP.
> >> >
> >> >Will
> >> >
> >> >"sergey" > wrote in message=20
> >> ...
> >> >> Clearly you are misunderstanding me. I am not=20
> saying=20
> >> SP2=20
> >> >> is out. I am saying the fixes you get now will come=20
> >> with=20
> >> >> sp2 since sp's are just a pack of fixes some of=20
> which=20
> >> were=20
> >> >> already released. the fix that fixes the effect of=20
> sp1=20
> >> >> making win XP slower was released however is now not=20
> on=20
> >> >> the microsoft dl page that i know off. I dont know=20
> >> where=20
> >> >> you got your information of me saying there is a sp2=20
> >> >> because no where in my msg did i say there is a sp2=20
> >> now. =20
> >> >> I even said that my guess on its release is=20
> september=20
> >> or=20
> >> >> October. You will notice in add and remove programs=20
> >> that=20
> >> >> some critical updates say sp2 thats because they=20
> will=20
> >> come=20
> >> >> with it when it comes out.
> >> >>=20
> >> >> Sergey
> >> >>=20
> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >Hi
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I don't work for Microsoft, but I can assure you=20
> that=20
> >> >> there is no SP2 in the offing ATM.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Will
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Sergey" <no@no> wrote in message news:004801c34d41
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> SP2 is not yet released though the fixes comming=20
> out=20
> >> >> now=20
> >> >> >> will all be included in SP2. The specific fix i=20
> was=20
> >> >> >> talking about is on my home computer and i can e=20
> >> mail=20
> >> >> it=20
> >> >> >> to you after i get home from work, its about=20
> 500k.=20
> >> >> Unless=20
> >> >> >> you are employed by Microsoft you don't know the=20
> >> >> release=20
> >> >> >> date for SP2. My guess on it is sometime in=20
> >> september=20
> >> >> or=20
> >> >> >> october. I get my information from Computer=20
> Forums=20
> >> and=20
> >> >> >> sites. The best would be www.Arstechnica.com a=20
> >> great=20
> >> >> site=20
> >> >> >> on news and it has the best Forums out there. If=20
> >> you=20
> >> >> have=20
> >> >> >> a computer related qestion they can help pretty=20
> >> fast.=20
> >> >> Just=20
> >> >> >> post in the right Forum.
> >> >> >>=20
> >> >> >> Sergey
> >> >> >>=20
> >> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> >Sergey, where do you get your info from=20
> regarding=20
> >> SP2 -
> >> >> =20
> >> >> >> several other people have said the same, but=20
> AFAIK,=20
> >> >> ATM,=20
> >> >> >> there is no SP2 for XP.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Will
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"Sergey" > wrote in message=20
> >> news:0c5301c34d33
> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> >> There is a small bug making win xp slower=20
> agter=20
> >> sp1=20
> >> >> >> >> however there is a hotfix for it, i think MS=20
> >> decided=20
> >> >> to=20
> >> >> >> >> take the hotfix off and just have it a part of=20
> >> sp2,=20
> >> >> BTW=20
> >> >> >> if=20
> >> >> >> >> you run win98 and think xp is slow you have=20
> >> >> problems.=20
> >> >> >> XP=20
> >> >> >> >> wont crash on you like win98. Also you could=20
> >> always=20
> >> >> try=20
> >> >> >> >> win2k.=20
> >> >> >> >>=20
> >> >> >> >> heh the thought of win98 being better then XP=20
> >> makes=20
> >> >> me=20
> >> >> >> >> want to cry.
> >> >> >> >>=20
> >> >> >> >> Sergey
> >> >> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >"Ray" > wrote in=20
> message
> >> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> >> >> This can only go on for so long and the=20
> buying=20
> >> >> >> public=20
> >> >> >> >> as a
> >> >> >> >> >> whole will continue to become more educated=20
> >> and=20
> >> >> wise=20
> >> >> >> >> about
> >> >> >> >> >> computers, especially when the digital=20
> >> generation=20
> >> >> >> gets
> >> >> >> >> >> older.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >If that were true then the previous problems=20
> you=20
> >> >> >> stated=20
> >> >> >> >> would be irrelevant.
> >> >> >> >> >Learn how to use your computer.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Testy
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >---
> >> >> >> >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> >> >> >> >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system=20
> >> >> >> (http://www.grisoft.com).
> >> >> >> >> >Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 -=20
> Release=20
> >> >> Date:=20
> >> >> >> >> 7/14/2003
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >---
> >> >> >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> >> >> >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system=20
> >> >> (http://www.grisoft.com).
> >> >> >> >Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release=20
> >> Date:=20
> >> >> >> 14/07/2003
> >> >> >> >.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >---
> >> >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> >> >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system=20
> >> (http://www.grisoft.com).
> >> >> >Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release=20
> Date:=20
> >> >> 14/07/2003
> >> >> >.
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >---
> >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system=20
> (http://www.grisoft.com).
> >> >Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date:=20
> >> 14/07/2003
> >> >.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >---
> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> >Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date:=20
> 14/07/2003
> >.
> >


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Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date: 14/07/2003

[Mark Levitski]

The post makes me ashamed of my birth in St. Petersburg, Russia. As usual,
our people are full of desinformation, rumors... and viruses. Don't even
expect intelligent people to accept your "hotfix" email download, this is
plain ridiculous.