How to remove sorting

[Peter Afonin]

Hello,

By default Windows XP sorts all files in the folder by name, and I cannot
figure out how to remove sorting completely.

For instance, I'm working with images. I switch view to Filmstrip and
arrange images in the order I need. When I switch to the Details view - all
my arrangements are gone. When I try to remove all kinds of sorting in
View - Choose Details, for instance, I cannot remove Name. Is there a way to
preserve the sorting I've done it Filmstrip view, when I switch to Details
or List view?

I would appreciate any suggestions.

Thank you,

--
Peter Afonin

[Visu]

Not possible, unless you rename in the following order:

image01.jpg
image02.jpg

You can do a batch rename. Arrange the files in flimstrip view, select all,
right click on one of the file and select Rename. Starting from the first
file, XP should rename them as image (1).jpg , image (2).jpg .. .. and so on.

Best is to use Irfanview utility available here:

http://www.tucows.com/preview/194967.html

Irfanview, has Batch rename option under File menu..
Select all the files that needs to be sorted out, arrange them using Move
up/down option under Input files box, select batch rename under Work as, put
a output format and click start.

Advantages of using this utility, first the arrangement stays in whatever
view you are, you can upload them without errors, and even your DVD player
can play the images in the order you wanted.



--
Vsu


"Peter Afonin" wrote:

> Hello,
>
> By default Windows XP sorts all files in the folder by name, and I cannot
> figure out how to remove sorting completely.
>
> For instance, I'm working with images. I switch view to Filmstrip and
> arrange images in the order I need. When I switch to the Details view - all
> my arrangements are gone. When I try to remove all kinds of sorting in
> View - Choose Details, for instance, I cannot remove Name. Is there a way to
> preserve the sorting I've done it Filmstrip view, when I switch to Details
> or List view?
>
> I would appreciate any suggestions.
>
> Thank you,
>
> --
> Peter Afonin
>
>
>

[Yves Alarie]

When you move your thumbnails and you go to Details, the listing (or
sorting) is done on numerical/alphabetical order. Also, after moving the
thumbnails, if you close the folder and open it again you will find them
back in their original position.
There is a way to change this. You arrange the thumbnails in the order you
want them and then you batch rename them using XP batch rename function.
Easy to do and convenient to arrange multiple photos from different folders
in the order you want them.
Here are some tips and tricks about it.

Using XP to organize your folders and your photos within folders
(02-04-2006)



1. How to organize your photo folders so you can find them.

2. How to make a collection of photos from different folders (or just within
a folder) so you can place the photos in the order you want and they will
stay in this order when you open the folder again for a slide show or copy
to a CD.



1. How to organize your photo folders.



You should make new folders on your drive for each group of pictures, or
make new folders under My Pictures folder, one folder for each group of
pictures. Either way will work. Now, how do you name the folders?

Remember that XP will list (or sort) folder names by numerical/alphabetical
order.

So the folder 2004_Vacation will be listed before the folder Vacation. You
can take advantage of this. What do you remember about a photo folder when
you search for it? A name or a date? It is a lot easier to find photo
folders when they have both a date and a name, but easier when the folders
are listed chronologically by date first instead of by name of event. So,
the listing of your folders should be: year, month (and day if you wish, but
be consistent, if you want the day enter the day for all folders) followed
by the event name. These should be separated by underline so it is easy to
read on your screen. So you should name folders something like this:

2003_12_25_Christmas

2004_12_25_Christmas

2003_04_07_Easter

2004_04_17_Easter

XP will list the folders in this order:

2003_04_07_Easter

2003_12_25_Christmas

2004_04_17_Easter

2004_12_25_Christmas



You can see what is happening. Your folders will be listed by year, month
and day and then the event name. This makes it easy to find them. You can
use some other system, but use one to list with a particular order other
than name of event alone. Otherwise you will have a messy listing of folder
names. If your folders are not properly organized, right click on a folder
name and click on rename on the opening menu. Then change the name using the
above system or a system you want.





2. How to organize a collection of photos in a folder, in the order you want
the photos to be displayed for a slide show. This will include renaming the
photos from the original name assigned by your camera.



Make a new folder on your hard drive. You can also make a new folder under
"My Pictures" if you prefer. Both will work.

Name the new folder something easy to remember and search for: year, month,
day, event, separated by underline. For example:

2004_09_16_Summer Vacations



Copy the photos you want to place in a particular order into this new
folder. You can copy photos to this new folder from a single folder (first
and simplest thing to do) or from any photo folder you have to make a new
collection. If you are making a collection, use a collection name, and the
date you are making it, something like:

2004_11_19_My Collection of Summer Photos

(this is a little more complicated but will also be explained below).



Once the photos are copied in this new folder, open the new folder. Hold the
Ctrl key down and press the letter A. This will select (highlight in blue)
all the files in the folder.

Right click on the first file (important to right click on the first file
because renaming will start from there).

Click on Rename on the opening menu.

Type in the name you want, to replace the current name of the first file.
Any system will work, such as year, month, day, event. For example type in:

2003_09_16 Virginia Beach Vacation (101).jpg

and press Enter.

XP will automatically rename all the files in this folder: 2003_09_16
Virginia Beach (101), (102), (103), etc. and they will open (sorted or
listed) in the order (101), (102), (103), etc. If you copy them to a CD,
this order will be maintained.



Two important things when renaming using the above method.

1. Look at the name of the above file, you must include a space between the
last character of the file name and (101)

2. When you rename, don't forget to add .jpg after (101). If you forget, XP
will warn you (window will open telling you the file type is being changed,
answer NO) and enter .jpg after this warning. If you don't, you will not be
able to open the file. If you still do not enter .jpg after the warning, don
't worry. Rename again and enter .jpg



You can rename any time and as many times as you want. You are not dependent
on the camera wizard to rename.



You can rename groups of files in a folder (in the example above, the date
can be 16, 17, 18, etc for each day of your vacation) just select the group
of files you want and right click on the first one in the group and rename
from there. For each group you select, just add (101) after the name you
want for the first file in the each group. So, you can rename as you want:

2003_09_16 Virginia Beach Vacation (101).jpg for all photos taken on
the 16

2003_09_17 Virginia Beach Vacation (101).jpg for all photos taken on
the 17

etc,

You simply select all the photos taken on the 16th and rename, etc.



You can do even better than this. Suppose you want a slide show and you want
the last three pictures taken on your vacation to be the first three or in
between some other photos, or re-order the photos in a folder in any way. Or
maybe you used two different cameras and you want to place the files
together in the folder in a particular order. Easy to do. Open the folder in
thumbnail view, use your mouse to place the thumbnails in the order you
want. Select all the photos and rename starting from the first picture
adding (101) to the name you want for the first picture. The (101), (102),
(103), etc will be added automatically in the order you placed the
thumbnails. They will stay in this order in your folder and if you copy to a
CD because XP lists (or sorts) by file name only on a CD.

In this case, you can omit the day if you want and the first file would be:

2003_09_Virginia Beach Vacation (101).jpg



If you copied many pictures from different folders (or from different
cameras) in this new folder and all you want is to order them in
chronological order, moving thumbnails in the correct order is tedious. Let
XP do this for you. Change the View from Thumbnails to Details. In the
Details view, right click on the column header "Name". This will open a
list. Click on More at the bottom of the list. A list will open, check the
box "Date Picture Taken". This will add the column Date Picture Taken in
the Details view. Then you click on the column header "Date Picture taken"
and XP will now change the list of files (the order of the listed files)
from the name of the files (the default) to listing files in chronological
order. Now, change the View to Thumbnails and they are in chronological
order. Select them, rename them using the above procedure and you are in
business. There is also another way to do this. When in Thumbnails view,
click on View on the top bar, then Arrange Icons by on the drop menu and
then select Picture Taken On. The thumbnails are now in chronological order.
This is fine if all the files in the folder are of the same year. The
default in XP is DD/MM/YYYY. If you have files of different years, you may
want to change this to YYYY/MM/DD. To make this change, open Control panel,
Change the format for numbers, date, time. Customize tab, Date tab and
change to the short date to

yyyy/MM/dd



Convenient if you want to make a slide show of pictures from different
folders. Just make a new folder, copy the photos you want in the new folder,
place the thumbnails in the order you want and rename.

You are not restricted to only one name (you use one name for one group of
picture, another for the next group, etc. and this also avoid making
subfolders to separate pictures from the same event) and you can control the
order in which each group will open, by placing a number up front of the
file name for each group. You may have photos of Christmas, Easter, New Year
etc. and of different years and you want them all together in the same
folder for a big slide show or save them on a CD to send to friends. Make a
new folder, copy them to the new folder. Then, place the thumbnails in the
order you want, select the first group, right click on the first thumbnail
in the group and rename:

1_2002 Easter (101).jpg

Then select the second group and rename

2_2002 Christmas (101).jpg

Placing 1_, 2_, etc in front will control the order of each group and (101)
controls the order within each group.

If you want to add another group later and you want the photos of this group
to be, say between 1_ and 2_, use 1a_ in front of the file name.

In the above example, after you make the new folder for your collection,
copy your Easter photos in it and rename them. Then copy your Christmas
photos in it and rename them. Then copy the next group in it and rename
them. Easier to do it this way than copying all of them and then renaming.
Also, after you copy a group, you can move the thumbnails to change the
order before renaming.



You may also want to add some more photos in a particular group at a later
time, say your Christmas group. No problem. Copy the files you want to add
in the folder, move the thumbnails in the group you want to add them to,
where you want them. Select all the thumbnails in the group, right click on
the first one and rename. When you rename, you must change the name in order
for rename to take place. Add something like XYZ after Christmas. Once
renaming is done, select the same files again and rename again. Remove the
XYZ and you will be back to the original name.



Note: There is a disadvantage to changing the original name of files. This
is why I recommend at the start to make a new folder and copy your original
files in the new folder before renaming. The disadvantage is this. Many have
the option of video out from the camera to display the pictures from the
memory card in your camera to a TV for a slide show. If you change the file
names and copy the files back to your memory card to display on your TV (or
even to just look at them on the LCD of the camera) your camera may not be
able to read the files. You can always rename, using the same format (8
characters) that your camera uses, but now you will have to rename each file
and this is tedious. So, be careful what you do with your original files
(you should have a copy of your original files on a CD-R, make sure of
this). Cameras that will not read modified file names (or files edited with
photo editing software) are Sony, Olympus, Minolta and probably others.
Cameras that "may" read such are Canon and Kodak (at least some models) but
check this by copying a modified picture file back to your camera card and
try to read it.

There is a second disadvantage. The above naming system is an XP system. As
long as you are on XP everything will be displayed properly with this naming
system. However, if you go out of XP, the display order is unlikely to be
the same. Particularly true if you want to play a CD to your TV using a DVD
player. Your DVD player will read files on your CD differently and will want
them in the order 001,002,003, etc. rather than with the above system. It
wants files listed like:

Image 001.jpg

Image 002.jpg

etc. to display them in the proper order. Since you now have your files in
the order you want in a folder by using XP, rename again if you want to copy
them to a CD and play this CD in a DVD player. Easy to do. Download the free
software from here:

www.irfanview.com

Once installed, open it and click on File and Batch conversion/renaming.

Select the files to rename, select the same folder for the new names.
Irfanview will not delete the file names you made with XP. It will add new
file names in the same folder (or you can make a new folder). You select a
single new name for all the files and 001, 002, 003, etc will be added
automatically. Open the folder and you will see the added files. You now
copy these files to a CD. Then you just delete these files. Select them,
hold the Shift key down and press the Delete key. They are removed and will
not go to the Recycle bin if you hold the Shift key down when pressing the
Delete key.

You will encounter the same problem if you upload your photos to a server on
the Internet and you are using the XP naming system. The order will not be
displayed properly and some server will not accept names with ( ) . You need
to use the Image 001.jpg etc system. So, again, once you have your photos in
the order you want them and you renamed using XP, simply use irfanview to
change the name and upload these files as when preparing them to copy to a
CD for display via a DVD player.



Note: Although I recommend making a new folder and copying your files there
before renaming, there is also another way to do this and you may prefer it
once you are comfortable with renaming. Here is how to do it.

Open the folder to see your files. Hold the Ctrl key down and press the
letter A to select (highlight in blue) all the files. Hold the Ctrl key down
and press the letter C. This makes a copy of all the files to your
clipboard. Hold the Ctrl key down and press the letter V. This copies
(pastes) all the files back in your folder. The file names will be the same,
but the words "Copy of" will be in front of the file names. You then rename
Copy of files.

This way your original files and renamed files are in the same folder.

This is also very useful when you want to edit photos with software. You
always edit "Copy of", never edit your original file.



All this renaming may seem a little complicated at first, but you can really
manipulate things very well by just sitting down and understanding the
system. With a little practice you can get what you want.

However, before renaming, make sure you make a new folder and copy some
photo files there so you can practice with no danger to your original files.
After you are comfortable with this, once you download the files from your
camera in a folder you can skip copying them into another folder and you
just rename the files.



Once your photos are arranged with folder names in chronological order, you
can use the free Picasa 2 from www.picasa.com This will scan your hard drive
for all your photos. After this, when you open Picasa only your photo
folders will be listed and all the thumbnails in all your folders will be
displayed. A lot easier to work with than from Explorer or My Computer
listing.




"Peter Afonin" > wrote in message
...
> Hello,
>
> By default Windows XP sorts all files in the folder by name, and I cannot
> figure out how to remove sorting completely.
>
> For instance, I'm working with images. I switch view to Filmstrip and
> arrange images in the order I need. When I switch to the Details view -
all
> my arrangements are gone. When I try to remove all kinds of sorting in
> View - Choose Details, for instance, I cannot remove Name. Is there a way
to
> preserve the sorting I've done it Filmstrip view, when I switch to Details
> or List view?
>
> I would appreciate any suggestions.
>
> Thank you,
>
> --
> Peter Afonin
>
>

[Peter Afonin]

Thank you very much for all your suggestions.

I know about Irfanview and rename in Windows XP. The reason I wanted to keep
my sorting is because I wrote my own program on VB.NET that renames files
the way I need it, but it renames them in the order they are located in the
folder in the Details or List view, and not in the order I want.

Peter

"Yves Alarie" > wrote in message
...
> When you move your thumbnails and you go to Details, the listing (or
> sorting) is done on numerical/alphabetical order. Also, after moving the
> thumbnails, if you close the folder and open it again you will find them
> back in their original position.
> There is a way to change this. You arrange the thumbnails in the order you
> want them and then you batch rename them using XP batch rename function.
> Easy to do and convenient to arrange multiple photos from different
folders
> in the order you want them.
> Here are some tips and tricks about it.
>
> Using XP to organize your folders and your photos within folders
> (02-04-2006)
>
>
>
> 1. How to organize your photo folders so you can find them.
>
> 2. How to make a collection of photos from different folders (or just
within
> a folder) so you can place the photos in the order you want and they will
> stay in this order when you open the folder again for a slide show or copy
> to a CD.
>
>
>
> 1. How to organize your photo folders.
>
>
>
> You should make new folders on your drive for each group of pictures, or
> make new folders under My Pictures folder, one folder for each group of
> pictures. Either way will work. Now, how do you name the folders?
>
> Remember that XP will list (or sort) folder names by
numerical/alphabetical
> order.
>
> So the folder 2004_Vacation will be listed before the folder Vacation. You
> can take advantage of this. What do you remember about a photo folder when
> you search for it? A name or a date? It is a lot easier to find photo
> folders when they have both a date and a name, but easier when the folders
> are listed chronologically by date first instead of by name of event. So,
> the listing of your folders should be: year, month (and day if you wish,
but
> be consistent, if you want the day enter the day for all folders) followed
> by the event name. These should be separated by underline so it is easy to
> read on your screen. So you should name folders something like this:
>
> 2003_12_25_Christmas
>
> 2004_12_25_Christmas
>
> 2003_04_07_Easter
>
> 2004_04_17_Easter
>
> XP will list the folders in this order:
>
> 2003_04_07_Easter
>
> 2003_12_25_Christmas
>
> 2004_04_17_Easter
>
> 2004_12_25_Christmas
>
>
>
> You can see what is happening. Your folders will be listed by year, month
> and day and then the event name. This makes it easy to find them. You can
> use some other system, but use one to list with a particular order other
> than name of event alone. Otherwise you will have a messy listing of
folder
> names. If your folders are not properly organized, right click on a folder
> name and click on rename on the opening menu. Then change the name using
the
> above system or a system you want.
>
>
>
>
>
> 2. How to organize a collection of photos in a folder, in the order you
want
> the photos to be displayed for a slide show. This will include renaming
the
> photos from the original name assigned by your camera.
>
>
>
> Make a new folder on your hard drive. You can also make a new folder under
> "My Pictures" if you prefer. Both will work.
>
> Name the new folder something easy to remember and search for: year,
month,
> day, event, separated by underline. For example:
>
> 2004_09_16_Summer Vacations
>
>
>
> Copy the photos you want to place in a particular order into this new
> folder. You can copy photos to this new folder from a single folder (first
> and simplest thing to do) or from any photo folder you have to make a new
> collection. If you are making a collection, use a collection name, and the
> date you are making it, something like:
>
> 2004_11_19_My Collection of Summer Photos
>
> (this is a little more complicated but will also be explained below).
>
>
>
> Once the photos are copied in this new folder, open the new folder. Hold
the
> Ctrl key down and press the letter A. This will select (highlight in blue)
> all the files in the folder.
>
> Right click on the first file (important to right click on the first file
> because renaming will start from there).
>
> Click on Rename on the opening menu.
>
> Type in the name you want, to replace the current name of the first file.
> Any system will work, such as year, month, day, event. For example type
in:
>
> 2003_09_16 Virginia Beach Vacation (101).jpg
>
> and press Enter.
>
> XP will automatically rename all the files in this folder: 2003_09_16
> Virginia Beach (101), (102), (103), etc. and they will open (sorted or
> listed) in the order (101), (102), (103), etc. If you copy them to a CD,
> this order will be maintained.
>
>
>
> Two important things when renaming using the above method.
>
> 1. Look at the name of the above file, you must include a space between
the
> last character of the file name and (101)
>
> 2. When you rename, don't forget to add .jpg after (101). If you forget,
XP
> will warn you (window will open telling you the file type is being
changed,
> answer NO) and enter .jpg after this warning. If you don't, you will not
be
> able to open the file. If you still do not enter .jpg after the warning,
don
> 't worry. Rename again and enter .jpg
>
>
>
> You can rename any time and as many times as you want. You are not
dependent
> on the camera wizard to rename.
>
>
>
> You can rename groups of files in a folder (in the example above, the date
> can be 16, 17, 18, etc for each day of your vacation) just select the
group
> of files you want and right click on the first one in the group and rename
> from there. For each group you select, just add (101) after the name you
> want for the first file in the each group. So, you can rename as you want:
>
> 2003_09_16 Virginia Beach Vacation (101).jpg for all photos taken on
> the 16
>
> 2003_09_17 Virginia Beach Vacation (101).jpg for all photos taken on
> the 17
>
> etc,
>
> You simply select all the photos taken on the 16th and rename, etc.
>
>
>
> You can do even better than this. Suppose you want a slide show and you
want
> the last three pictures taken on your vacation to be the first three or in
> between some other photos, or re-order the photos in a folder in any way.
Or
> maybe you used two different cameras and you want to place the files
> together in the folder in a particular order. Easy to do. Open the folder
in
> thumbnail view, use your mouse to place the thumbnails in the order you
> want. Select all the photos and rename starting from the first picture
> adding (101) to the name you want for the first picture. The (101), (102),
> (103), etc will be added automatically in the order you placed the
> thumbnails. They will stay in this order in your folder and if you copy to
a
> CD because XP lists (or sorts) by file name only on a CD.
>
> In this case, you can omit the day if you want and the first file would
be:
>
> 2003_09_Virginia Beach Vacation (101).jpg
>
>
>
> If you copied many pictures from different folders (or from different
> cameras) in this new folder and all you want is to order them in
> chronological order, moving thumbnails in the correct order is tedious.
Let
> XP do this for you. Change the View from Thumbnails to Details. In the
> Details view, right click on the column header "Name". This will open a
> list. Click on More at the bottom of the list. A list will open, check the
> box "Date Picture Taken". This will add the column Date Picture Taken in
> the Details view. Then you click on the column header "Date Picture taken"
> and XP will now change the list of files (the order of the listed files)
> from the name of the files (the default) to listing files in chronological
> order. Now, change the View to Thumbnails and they are in chronological
> order. Select them, rename them using the above procedure and you are in
> business. There is also another way to do this. When in Thumbnails view,
> click on View on the top bar, then Arrange Icons by on the drop menu and
> then select Picture Taken On. The thumbnails are now in chronological
order.
> This is fine if all the files in the folder are of the same year. The
> default in XP is DD/MM/YYYY. If you have files of different years, you may
> want to change this to YYYY/MM/DD. To make this change, open Control
panel,
> Change the format for numbers, date, time. Customize tab, Date tab and
> change to the short date to
>
> yyyy/MM/dd
>
>
>
> Convenient if you want to make a slide show of pictures from different
> folders. Just make a new folder, copy the photos you want in the new
folder,
> place the thumbnails in the order you want and rename.
>
> You are not restricted to only one name (you use one name for one group of
> picture, another for the next group, etc. and this also avoid making
> subfolders to separate pictures from the same event) and you can control
the
> order in which each group will open, by placing a number up front of the
> file name for each group. You may have photos of Christmas, Easter, New
Year
> etc. and of different years and you want them all together in the same
> folder for a big slide show or save them on a CD to send to friends. Make
a
> new folder, copy them to the new folder. Then, place the thumbnails in the
> order you want, select the first group, right click on the first thumbnail
> in the group and rename:
>
> 1_2002 Easter (101).jpg
>
> Then select the second group and rename
>
> 2_2002 Christmas (101).jpg
>
> Placing 1_, 2_, etc in front will control the order of each group and
(101)
> controls the order within each group.
>
> If you want to add another group later and you want the photos of this
group
> to be, say between 1_ and 2_, use 1a_ in front of the file name.
>
> In the above example, after you make the new folder for your collection,
> copy your Easter photos in it and rename them. Then copy your Christmas
> photos in it and rename them. Then copy the next group in it and rename
> them. Easier to do it this way than copying all of them and then renaming.
> Also, after you copy a group, you can move the thumbnails to change the
> order before renaming.
>
>
>
> You may also want to add some more photos in a particular group at a later
> time, say your Christmas group. No problem. Copy the files you want to add
> in the folder, move the thumbnails in the group you want to add them to,
> where you want them. Select all the thumbnails in the group, right click
on
> the first one and rename. When you rename, you must change the name in
order
> for rename to take place. Add something like XYZ after Christmas. Once
> renaming is done, select the same files again and rename again. Remove the
> XYZ and you will be back to the original name.
>
>
>
> Note: There is a disadvantage to changing the original name of files. This
> is why I recommend at the start to make a new folder and copy your
original
> files in the new folder before renaming. The disadvantage is this. Many
have
> the option of video out from the camera to display the pictures from the
> memory card in your camera to a TV for a slide show. If you change the
file
> names and copy the files back to your memory card to display on your TV
(or
> even to just look at them on the LCD of the camera) your camera may not be
> able to read the files. You can always rename, using the same format (8
> characters) that your camera uses, but now you will have to rename each
file
> and this is tedious. So, be careful what you do with your original files
> (you should have a copy of your original files on a CD-R, make sure of
> this). Cameras that will not read modified file names (or files edited
with
> photo editing software) are Sony, Olympus, Minolta and probably others.
> Cameras that "may" read such are Canon and Kodak (at least some models)
but
> check this by copying a modified picture file back to your camera card and
> try to read it.
>
> There is a second disadvantage. The above naming system is an XP system.
As
> long as you are on XP everything will be displayed properly with this
naming
> system. However, if you go out of XP, the display order is unlikely to be
> the same. Particularly true if you want to play a CD to your TV using a
DVD
> player. Your DVD player will read files on your CD differently and will
want
> them in the order 001,002,003, etc. rather than with the above system. It
> wants files listed like:
>
> Image 001.jpg
>
> Image 002.jpg
>
> etc. to display them in the proper order. Since you now have your files in
> the order you want in a folder by using XP, rename again if you want to
copy
> them to a CD and play this CD in a DVD player. Easy to do. Download the
free
> software from here:
>
> www.irfanview.com
>
> Once installed, open it and click on File and Batch conversion/renaming.
>
> Select the files to rename, select the same folder for the new names.
> Irfanview will not delete the file names you made with XP. It will add new
> file names in the same folder (or you can make a new folder). You select a
> single new name for all the files and 001, 002, 003, etc will be added
> automatically. Open the folder and you will see the added files. You now
> copy these files to a CD. Then you just delete these files. Select them,
> hold the Shift key down and press the Delete key. They are removed and
will
> not go to the Recycle bin if you hold the Shift key down when pressing the
> Delete key.
>
> You will encounter the same problem if you upload your photos to a server
on
> the Internet and you are using the XP naming system. The order will not be
> displayed properly and some server will not accept names with ( ) . You
need
> to use the Image 001.jpg etc system. So, again, once you have your photos
in
> the order you want them and you renamed using XP, simply use irfanview to
> change the name and upload these files as when preparing them to copy to a
> CD for display via a DVD player.
>
>
>
> Note: Although I recommend making a new folder and copying your files
there
> before renaming, there is also another way to do this and you may prefer
it
> once you are comfortable with renaming. Here is how to do it.
>
> Open the folder to see your files. Hold the Ctrl key down and press the
> letter A to select (highlight in blue) all the files. Hold the Ctrl key
down
> and press the letter C. This makes a copy of all the files to your
> clipboard. Hold the Ctrl key down and press the letter V. This copies
> (pastes) all the files back in your folder. The file names will be the
same,
> but the words "Copy of" will be in front of the file names. You then
rename
> Copy of files.
>
> This way your original files and renamed files are in the same folder.
>
> This is also very useful when you want to edit photos with software. You
> always edit "Copy of", never edit your original file.
>
>
>
> All this renaming may seem a little complicated at first, but you can
really
> manipulate things very well by just sitting down and understanding the
> system. With a little practice you can get what you want.
>
> However, before renaming, make sure you make a new folder and copy some
> photo files there so you can practice with no danger to your original
files.
> After you are comfortable with this, once you download the files from your
> camera in a folder you can skip copying them into another folder and you
> just rename the files.
>
>
>
> Once your photos are arranged with folder names in chronological order,
you
> can use the free Picasa 2 from www.picasa.com This will scan your hard
drive
> for all your photos. After this, when you open Picasa only your photo
> folders will be listed and all the thumbnails in all your folders will be
> displayed. A lot easier to work with than from Explorer or My Computer
> listing.
>
>
>
>
> "Peter Afonin" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hello,
> >
> > By default Windows XP sorts all files in the folder by name, and I
cannot
> > figure out how to remove sorting completely.
> >
> > For instance, I'm working with images. I switch view to Filmstrip and
> > arrange images in the order I need. When I switch to the Details view -
> all
> > my arrangements are gone. When I try to remove all kinds of sorting in
> > View - Choose Details, for instance, I cannot remove Name. Is there a
way
> to
> > preserve the sorting I've done it Filmstrip view, when I switch to
Details
> > or List view?
> >
> > I would appreciate any suggestions.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > --
> > Peter Afonin
> >
> >
>
>

[Peter Afonin]

Thank you!

Unfortunately, Irfanview (as well as XNView) doesn't allow you to move
thumbnails, like you can do it in Windows XP or ACDSee. Yes, in Batch Rename
dialog you can move images up and down and preview them, but it's not the
same as when you see all your images and move them.

Peter

"Visu" > wrote in message
...
> Not possible, unless you rename in the following order:
>
> image01.jpg
> image02.jpg
>
> You can do a batch rename. Arrange the files in flimstrip view, select
all,
> right click on one of the file and select Rename. Starting from the first
> file, XP should rename them as image (1).jpg , image (2).jpg .. .. and so
on.
>
> Best is to use Irfanview utility available here:
>
> http://www.tucows.com/preview/194967.html
>
> Irfanview, has Batch rename option under File menu..
> Select all the files that needs to be sorted out, arrange them using Move
> up/down option under Input files box, select batch rename under Work as,
put
> a output format and click start.
>
> Advantages of using this utility, first the arrangement stays in whatever
> view you are, you can upload them without errors, and even your DVD
player
> can play the images in the order you wanted.
>
>
>
> --
> Vsu
>
>
> "Peter Afonin" wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > By default Windows XP sorts all files in the folder by name, and I
cannot
> > figure out how to remove sorting completely.
> >
> > For instance, I'm working with images. I switch view to Filmstrip and
> > arrange images in the order I need. When I switch to the Details view -
all
> > my arrangements are gone. When I try to remove all kinds of sorting in
> > View - Choose Details, for instance, I cannot remove Name. Is there a
way to
> > preserve the sorting I've done it Filmstrip view, when I switch to
Details
> > or List view?
> >
> > I would appreciate any suggestions.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > --
> > Peter Afonin
> >
> >
> >

[Yves Alarie]

Then you should have no problem. Place the thumbnails in the order you want
them and rename them using XP so they are in the proper order when opening
in Details view and your program will take it from there, renaming them
again to what you want.

"Peter Afonin" > wrote in message
...
> Thank you very much for all your suggestions.
>
> I know about Irfanview and rename in Windows XP. The reason I wanted to
keep
> my sorting is because I wrote my own program on VB.NET that renames files
> the way I need it, but it renames them in the order they are located in
the
> folder in the Details or List view, and not in the order I want.
>
> Peter
>
> "Yves Alarie" > wrote in message
> ...
> > When you move your thumbnails and you go to Details, the listing (or
> > sorting) is done on numerical/alphabetical order. Also, after moving the
> > thumbnails, if you close the folder and open it again you will find them
> > back in their original position.
> > There is a way to change this. You arrange the thumbnails in the order
you
> > want them and then you batch rename them using XP batch rename function.
> > Easy to do and convenient to arrange multiple photos from different
> folders
> > in the order you want them.
> > Here are some tips and tricks about it.
> >
> > Using XP to organize your folders and your photos within folders
> > (02-04-2006)
> >
> >
> >
> > 1. How to organize your photo folders so you can find them.
> >
> > 2. How to make a collection of photos from different folders (or just
> within
> > a folder) so you can place the photos in the order you want and they
will
> > stay in this order when you open the folder again for a slide show or
copy
> > to a CD.
> >
> >
> >
> > 1. How to organize your photo folders.
> >
> >
> >
> > You should make new folders on your drive for each group of pictures, or
> > make new folders under My Pictures folder, one folder for each group of
> > pictures. Either way will work. Now, how do you name the folders?
> >
> > Remember that XP will list (or sort) folder names by
> numerical/alphabetical
> > order.
> >
> > So the folder 2004_Vacation will be listed before the folder Vacation.
You
> > can take advantage of this. What do you remember about a photo folder
when
> > you search for it? A name or a date? It is a lot easier to find photo
> > folders when they have both a date and a name, but easier when the
folders
> > are listed chronologically by date first instead of by name of event.
So,
> > the listing of your folders should be: year, month (and day if you wish,
> but
> > be consistent, if you want the day enter the day for all folders)
followed
> > by the event name. These should be separated by underline so it is easy
to
> > read on your screen. So you should name folders something like this:
> >
> > 2003_12_25_Christmas
> >
> > 2004_12_25_Christmas
> >
> > 2003_04_07_Easter
> >
> > 2004_04_17_Easter
> >
> > XP will list the folders in this order:
> >
> > 2003_04_07_Easter
> >
> > 2003_12_25_Christmas
> >
> > 2004_04_17_Easter
> >
> > 2004_12_25_Christmas
> >
> >
> >
> > You can see what is happening. Your folders will be listed by year,
month
> > and day and then the event name. This makes it easy to find them. You
can
> > use some other system, but use one to list with a particular order other
> > than name of event alone. Otherwise you will have a messy listing of
> folder
> > names. If your folders are not properly organized, right click on a
folder
> > name and click on rename on the opening menu. Then change the name using
> the
> > above system or a system you want.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2. How to organize a collection of photos in a folder, in the order you
> want
> > the photos to be displayed for a slide show. This will include renaming
> the
> > photos from the original name assigned by your camera.
> >
> >
> >
> > Make a new folder on your hard drive. You can also make a new folder
under
> > "My Pictures" if you prefer. Both will work.
> >
> > Name the new folder something easy to remember and search for: year,
> month,
> > day, event, separated by underline. For example:
> >
> > 2004_09_16_Summer Vacations
> >
> >
> >
> > Copy the photos you want to place in a particular order into this new
> > folder. You can copy photos to this new folder from a single folder
(first
> > and simplest thing to do) or from any photo folder you have to make a
new
> > collection. If you are making a collection, use a collection name, and
the
> > date you are making it, something like:
> >
> > 2004_11_19_My Collection of Summer Photos
> >
> > (this is a little more complicated but will also be explained below).
> >
> >
> >
> > Once the photos are copied in this new folder, open the new folder. Hold
> the
> > Ctrl key down and press the letter A. This will select (highlight in
blue)
> > all the files in the folder.
> >
> > Right click on the first file (important to right click on the first
file
> > because renaming will start from there).
> >
> > Click on Rename on the opening menu.
> >
> > Type in the name you want, to replace the current name of the first
file.
> > Any system will work, such as year, month, day, event. For example type
> in:
> >
> > 2003_09_16 Virginia Beach Vacation (101).jpg
> >
> > and press Enter.
> >
> > XP will automatically rename all the files in this folder: 2003_09_16
> > Virginia Beach (101), (102), (103), etc. and they will open (sorted or
> > listed) in the order (101), (102), (103), etc. If you copy them to a CD,
> > this order will be maintained.
> >
> >
> >
> > Two important things when renaming using the above method.
> >
> > 1. Look at the name of the above file, you must include a space between
> the
> > last character of the file name and (101)
> >
> > 2. When you rename, don't forget to add .jpg after (101). If you forget,
> XP
> > will warn you (window will open telling you the file type is being
> changed,
> > answer NO) and enter .jpg after this warning. If you don't, you will not
> be
> > able to open the file. If you still do not enter .jpg after the warning,
> don
> > 't worry. Rename again and enter .jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > You can rename any time and as many times as you want. You are not
> dependent
> > on the camera wizard to rename.
> >
> >
> >
> > You can rename groups of files in a folder (in the example above, the
date
> > can be 16, 17, 18, etc for each day of your vacation) just select the
> group
> > of files you want and right click on the first one in the group and
rename
> > from there. For each group you select, just add (101) after the name you
> > want for the first file in the each group. So, you can rename as you
want:
> >
> > 2003_09_16 Virginia Beach Vacation (101).jpg for all photos taken
on
> > the 16
> >
> > 2003_09_17 Virginia Beach Vacation (101).jpg for all photos taken
on
> > the 17
> >
> > etc,
> >
> > You simply select all the photos taken on the 16th and rename, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > You can do even better than this. Suppose you want a slide show and you
> want
> > the last three pictures taken on your vacation to be the first three or
in
> > between some other photos, or re-order the photos in a folder in any
way.
> Or
> > maybe you used two different cameras and you want to place the files
> > together in the folder in a particular order. Easy to do. Open the
folder
> in
> > thumbnail view, use your mouse to place the thumbnails in the order you
> > want. Select all the photos and rename starting from the first picture
> > adding (101) to the name you want for the first picture. The (101),
(102),
> > (103), etc will be added automatically in the order you placed the
> > thumbnails. They will stay in this order in your folder and if you copy
to
> a
> > CD because XP lists (or sorts) by file name only on a CD.
> >
> > In this case, you can omit the day if you want and the first file would

> be:
> >
> > 2003_09_Virginia Beach Vacation (101).jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > If you copied many pictures from different folders (or from different
> > cameras) in this new folder and all you want is to order them in
> > chronological order, moving thumbnails in the correct order is tedious.
> Let
> > XP do this for you. Change the View from Thumbnails to Details. In the
> > Details view, right click on the column header "Name". This will open a
> > list. Click on More at the bottom of the list. A list will open, check
the
> > box "Date Picture Taken". This will add the column Date Picture Taken
in
> > the Details view. Then you click on the column header "Date Picture
taken"
> > and XP will now change the list of files (the order of the listed files)
> > from the name of the files (the default) to listing files in
chronological
> > order. Now, change the View to Thumbnails and they are in chronological
> > order. Select them, rename them using the above procedure and you are in
> > business. There is also another way to do this. When in Thumbnails view,
> > click on View on the top bar, then Arrange Icons by on the drop menu and
> > then select Picture Taken On. The thumbnails are now in chronological
> order.
> > This is fine if all the files in the folder are of the same year. The
> > default in XP is DD/MM/YYYY. If you have files of different years, you
may
> > want to change this to YYYY/MM/DD. To make this change, open Control
> panel,
> > Change the format for numbers, date, time. Customize tab, Date tab and
> > change to the short date to
> >
> > yyyy/MM/dd
> >
> >
> >
> > Convenient if you want to make a slide show of pictures from different
> > folders. Just make a new folder, copy the photos you want in the new
> folder,
> > place the thumbnails in the order you want and rename.
> >
> > You are not restricted to only one name (you use one name for one group
of
> > picture, another for the next group, etc. and this also avoid making
> > subfolders to separate pictures from the same event) and you can control
> the
> > order in which each group will open, by placing a number up front of the
> > file name for each group. You may have photos of Christmas, Easter, New
> Year
> > etc. and of different years and you want them all together in the same
> > folder for a big slide show or save them on a CD to send to friends.
Make
> a
> > new folder, copy them to the new folder. Then, place the thumbnails in
the
> > order you want, select the first group, right click on the first
thumbnail
> > in the group and rename:
> >
> > 1_2002 Easter (101).jpg
> >
> > Then select the second group and rename
> >
> > 2_2002 Christmas (101).jpg
> >
> > Placing 1_, 2_, etc in front will control the order of each group and
> (101)
> > controls the order within each group.
> >
> > If you want to add another group later and you want the photos of this
> group
> > to be, say between 1_ and 2_, use 1a_ in front of the file name.
> >
> > In the above example, after you make the new folder for your collection,
> > copy your Easter photos in it and rename them. Then copy your Christmas
> > photos in it and rename them. Then copy the next group in it and rename
> > them. Easier to do it this way than copying all of them and then
renaming.
> > Also, after you copy a group, you can move the thumbnails to change the
> > order before renaming.
> >
> >
> >
> > You may also want to add some more photos in a particular group at a
later
> > time, say your Christmas group. No problem. Copy the files you want to
add
> > in the folder, move the thumbnails in the group you want to add them to,
> > where you want them. Select all the thumbnails in the group, right click
> on
> > the first one and rename. When you rename, you must change the name in
> order
> > for rename to take place. Add something like XYZ after Christmas. Once
> > renaming is done, select the same files again and rename again. Remove
the
> > XYZ and you will be back to the original name.
> >
> >
> >
> > Note: There is a disadvantage to changing the original name of files.
This
> > is why I recommend at the start to make a new folder and copy your
> original
> > files in the new folder before renaming. The disadvantage is this. Many
> have
> > the option of video out from the camera to display the pictures from the
> > memory card in your camera to a TV for a slide show. If you change the
> file
> > names and copy the files back to your memory card to display on your TV
> (or
> > even to just look at them on the LCD of the camera) your camera may not
be
> > able to read the files. You can always rename, using the same format (8
> > characters) that your camera uses, but now you will have to rename each
> file
> > and this is tedious. So, be careful what you do with your original files
> > (you should have a copy of your original files on a CD-R, make sure of
> > this). Cameras that will not read modified file names (or files edited
> with
> > photo editing software) are Sony, Olympus, Minolta and probably others.
> > Cameras that "may" read such are Canon and Kodak (at least some models)
> but
> > check this by copying a modified picture file back to your camera card
and
> > try to read it.
> >
> > There is a second disadvantage. The above naming system is an XP system.
> As
> > long as you are on XP everything will be displayed properly with this
> naming
> > system. However, if you go out of XP, the display order is unlikely to
be
> > the same. Particularly true if you want to play a CD to your TV using a
> DVD
> > player. Your DVD player will read files on your CD differently and will
> want
> > them in the order 001,002,003, etc. rather than with the above system.
It
> > wants files listed like:
> >
> > Image 001.jpg
> >
> > Image 002.jpg
> >
> > etc. to display them in the proper order. Since you now have your files
in
> > the order you want in a folder by using XP, rename again if you want to
> copy
> > them to a CD and play this CD in a DVD player. Easy to do. Download the
> free
> > software from here:
> >
> > www.irfanview.com
> >
> > Once installed, open it and click on File and Batch conversion/renaming.
> >
> > Select the files to rename, select the same folder for the new names.
> > Irfanview will not delete the file names you made with XP. It will add
new
> > file names in the same folder (or you can make a new folder). You select
a
> > single new name for all the files and 001, 002, 003, etc will be added
> > automatically. Open the folder and you will see the added files. You now
> > copy these files to a CD. Then you just delete these files. Select them,
> > hold the Shift key down and press the Delete key. They are removed and
> will
> > not go to the Recycle bin if you hold the Shift key down when pressing
the
> > Delete key.
> >
> > You will encounter the same problem if you upload your photos to a
server
> on
> > the Internet and you are using the XP naming system. The order will not
be
> > displayed properly and some server will not accept names with ( ) . You
> need
> > to use the Image 001.jpg etc system. So, again, once you have your
photos
> in
> > the order you want them and you renamed using XP, simply use irfanview
to
> > change the name and upload these files as when preparing them to copy to
a
> > CD for display via a DVD player.
> >
> >
> >
> > Note: Although I recommend making a new folder and copying your files
> there
> > before renaming, there is also another way to do this and you may prefer
> it
> > once you are comfortable with renaming. Here is how to do it.
> >
> > Open the folder to see your files. Hold the Ctrl key down and press the
> > letter A to select (highlight in blue) all the files. Hold the Ctrl key
> down
> > and press the letter C. This makes a copy of all the files to your
> > clipboard. Hold the Ctrl key down and press the letter V. This copies
> > (pastes) all the files back in your folder. The file names will be the
> same,
> > but the words "Copy of" will be in front of the file names. You then
> rename
> > Copy of files.
> >
> > This way your original files and renamed files are in the same folder.
> >
> > This is also very useful when you want to edit photos with software. You
> > always edit "Copy of", never edit your original file.
> >
> >
> >
> > All this renaming may seem a little complicated at first, but you can
> really
> > manipulate things very well by just sitting down and understanding the
> > system. With a little practice you can get what you want.
> >
> > However, before renaming, make sure you make a new folder and copy some
> > photo files there so you can practice with no danger to your original
> files.
> > After you are comfortable with this, once you download the files from
your
> > camera in a folder you can skip copying them into another folder and you
> > just rename the files.
> >
> >
> >
> > Once your photos are arranged with folder names in chronological order,
> you
> > can use the free Picasa 2 from www.picasa.com This will scan your hard
> drive
> > for all your photos. After this, when you open Picasa only your photo
> > folders will be listed and all the thumbnails in all your folders will
be
> > displayed. A lot easier to work with than from Explorer or My Computer
> > listing.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Peter Afonin" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > By default Windows XP sorts all files in the folder by name, and I
> cannot
> > > figure out how to remove sorting completely.
> > >
> > > For instance, I'm working with images. I switch view to Filmstrip and
> > > arrange images in the order I need. When I switch to the Details
view -
> > all
> > > my arrangements are gone. When I try to remove all kinds of sorting in
> > > View - Choose Details, for instance, I cannot remove Name. Is there a
> way
> > to
> > > preserve the sorting I've done it Filmstrip view, when I switch to
> Details
> > > or List view?
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any suggestions.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Peter Afonin
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Keith Miller MVP]

Are you using all the summary fields? If not, you could use one for a sort number or alpha string
and sort on that in details view.

--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]


"Peter Afonin" > wrote in message ...
> Hello,
>
> By default Windows XP sorts all files in the folder by name, and I cannot
> figure out how to remove sorting completely.
>
> For instance, I'm working with images. I switch view to Filmstrip and
> arrange images in the order I need. When I switch to the Details view - all
> my arrangements are gone. When I try to remove all kinds of sorting in
> View - Choose Details, for instance, I cannot remove Name. Is there a way to
> preserve the sorting I've done it Filmstrip view, when I switch to Details
> or List view?
>
> I would appreciate any suggestions.
>
> Thank you,
>
> --
> Peter Afonin
>
>

[Peter Afonin]

Thank you, Yves. I've tried this - didn't work, still renaming as they were
sorted by name. But this, I guess, could be programming issue.

Peter

"Yves Alarie" > wrote in message
...
> Then you should have no problem. Place the thumbnails in the order you
want
> them and rename them using XP so they are in the proper order when opening
> in Details view and your program will take it from there, renaming them
> again to what you want.
>
> "Peter Afonin" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Thank you very much for all your suggestions.
> >
> > I know about Irfanview and rename in Windows XP. The reason I wanted to
> keep
> > my sorting is because I wrote my own program on VB.NET that renames
files
> > the way I need it, but it renames them in the order they are located in
> the
> > folder in the Details or List view, and not in the order I want.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > "Yves Alarie" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > When you move your thumbnails and you go to Details, the listing (or
> > > sorting) is done on numerical/alphabetical order. Also, after moving
the
> > > thumbnails, if you close the folder and open it again you will find
them
> > > back in their original position.
> > > There is a way to change this. You arrange the thumbnails in the order
> you
> > > want them and then you batch rename them using XP batch rename
function.
> > > Easy to do and convenient to arrange multiple photos from different
> > folders
> > > in the order you want them.
> > > Here are some tips and tricks about it.
> > >
> > > Using XP to organize your folders and your photos within folders
> > > (02-04-2006)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 1. How to organize your photo folders so you can find them.
> > >
> > > 2. How to make a collection of photos from different folders (or just
> > within
> > > a folder) so you can place the photos in the order you want and they
> will
> > > stay in this order when you open the folder again for a slide show or
> copy
> > > to a CD.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 1. How to organize your photo folders.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You should make new folders on your drive for each group of pictures,
or
> > > make new folders under My Pictures folder, one folder for each group
of
> > > pictures. Either way will work. Now, how do you name the folders?
> > >
> > > Remember that XP will list (or sort) folder names by
> > numerical/alphabetical
> > > order.
> > >
> > > So the folder 2004_Vacation will be listed before the folder Vacation.
> You
> > > can take advantage of this. What do you remember about a photo folder
> when
> > > you search for it? A name or a date? It is a lot easier to find photo
> > > folders when they have both a date and a name, but easier when the
> folders
> > > are listed chronologically by date first instead of by name of event.
> So,
> > > the listing of your folders should be: year, month (and day if you
wish,
> > but
> > > be consistent, if you want the day enter the day for all folders)
> followed
> > > by the event name. These should be separated by underline so it is
easy
> to
> > > read on your screen. So you should name folders something like this:
> > >
> > > 2003_12_25_Christmas
> > >
> > > 2004_12_25_Christmas
> > >
> > > 2003_04_07_Easter
> > >
> > > 2004_04_17_Easter
> > >
> > > XP will list the folders in this order:
> > >
> > > 2003_04_07_Easter
> > >
> > > 2003_12_25_Christmas
> > >
> > > 2004_04_17_Easter
> > >
> > > 2004_12_25_Christmas
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You can see what is happening. Your folders will be listed by year,
> month
> > > and day and then the event name. This makes it easy to find them. You
> can
> > > use some other system, but use one to list with a particular order
other
> > > than name of event alone. Otherwise you will have a messy listing of
> > folder
> > > names. If your folders are not properly organized, right click on a
> folder
> > > name and click on rename on the opening menu. Then change the name
using
> > the
> > > above system or a system you want.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2. How to organize a collection of photos in a folder, in the order
you
> > want
> > > the photos to be displayed for a slide show. This will include
renaming
> > the
> > > photos from the original name assigned by your camera.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Make a new folder on your hard drive. You can also make a new folder
> under
> > > "My Pictures" if you prefer. Both will work.
> > >
> > > Name the new folder something easy to remember and search for: year,
> > month,
> > > day, event, separated by underline. For example:
> > >
> > > 2004_09_16_Summer Vacations
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Copy the photos you want to place in a particular order into this new
> > > folder. You can copy photos to this new folder from a single folder
> (first
> > > and simplest thing to do) or from any photo folder you have to make a
> new
> > > collection. If you are making a collection, use a collection name, and
> the
> > > date you are making it, something like:
> > >
> > > 2004_11_19_My Collection of Summer Photos
> > >
> > > (this is a little more complicated but will also be explained below).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Once the photos are copied in this new folder, open the new folder.
Hold
> > the
> > > Ctrl key down and press the letter A. This will select (highlight in
> blue)
> > > all the files in the folder.
> > >
> > > Right click on the first file (important to right click on the first
> file
> > > because renaming will start from there).
> > >
> > > Click on Rename on the opening menu.
> > >
> > > Type in the name you want, to replace the current name of the first
> file.
> > > Any system will work, such as year, month, day, event. For example
type
> > in:
> > >
> > > 2003_09_16 Virginia Beach Vacation (101).jpg
> > >
> > > and press Enter.
> > >
> > > XP will automatically rename all the files in this folder: 2003_09_16
> > > Virginia Beach (101), (102), (103), etc. and they will open (sorted or
> > > listed) in the order (101), (102), (103), etc. If you copy them to a
CD,
> > > this order will be maintained.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Two important things when renaming using the above method.
> > >
> > > 1. Look at the name of the above file, you must include a space
between
> > the
> > > last character of the file name and (101)
> > >
> > > 2. When you rename, don't forget to add .jpg after (101). If you
forget,
> > XP
> > > will warn you (window will open telling you the file type is being
> > changed,
> > > answer NO) and enter .jpg after this warning. If you don't, you will
not
> > be
> > > able to open the file. If you still do not enter .jpg after the
warning,
> > don
> > > 't worry. Rename again and enter .jpg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You can rename any time and as many times as you want. You are not
> > dependent
> > > on the camera wizard to rename.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You can rename groups of files in a folder (in the example above, the
> date
> > > can be 16, 17, 18, etc for each day of your vacation) just select the
> > group
> > > of files you want and right click on the first one in the group and
> rename
> > > from there. For each group you select, just add (101) after the name
you
> > > want for the first file in the each group. So, you can rename as you
> want:
> > >
> > > 2003_09_16 Virginia Beach Vacation (101).jpg for all photos taken
> on
> > > the 16
> > >
> > > 2003_09_17 Virginia Beach Vacation (101).jpg for all photos taken
> on
> > > the 17
> > >
> > > etc,
> > >
> > > You simply select all the photos taken on the 16th and rename, etc.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You can do even better than this. Suppose you want a slide show and
you
> > want
> > > the last three pictures taken on your vacation to be the first three
or
> in
> > > between some other photos, or re-order the photos in a folder in any
> way.
> > Or
> > > maybe you used two different cameras and you want to place the files
> > > together in the folder in a particular order. Easy to do. Open the
> folder
> > in
> > > thumbnail view, use your mouse to place the thumbnails in the order
you
> > > want. Select all the photos and rename starting from the first picture
> > > adding (101) to the name you want for the first picture. The (101),
> (102),
> > > (103), etc will be added automatically in the order you placed the
> > > thumbnails. They will stay in this order in your folder and if you
copy
> to
> > a
> > > CD because XP lists (or sorts) by file name only on a CD.
> > >
> > > In this case, you can omit the day if you want and the first file
would
>
> > be:
> > >
> > > 2003_09_Virginia Beach Vacation (101).jpg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If you copied many pictures from different folders (or from different
> > > cameras) in this new folder and all you want is to order them in
> > > chronological order, moving thumbnails in the correct order is
tedious.
> > Let
> > > XP do this for you. Change the View from Thumbnails to Details. In the
> > > Details view, right click on the column header "Name". This will open
a
> > > list. Click on More at the bottom of the list. A list will open, check
> the
> > > box "Date Picture Taken". This will add the column Date Picture Taken
> in
> > > the Details view. Then you click on the column header "Date Picture
> taken"
> > > and XP will now change the list of files (the order of the listed
files)
> > > from the name of the files (the default) to listing files in
> chronological
> > > order. Now, change the View to Thumbnails and they are in
chronological
> > > order. Select them, rename them using the above procedure and you are
in
> > > business. There is also another way to do this. When in Thumbnails
view,
> > > click on View on the top bar, then Arrange Icons by on the drop menu
and
> > > then select Picture Taken On. The thumbnails are now in chronological
> > order.
> > > This is fine if all the files in the folder are of the same year. The
> > > default in XP is DD/MM/YYYY. If you have files of different years, you
> may
> > > want to change this to YYYY/MM/DD. To make this change, open Control
> > panel,
> > > Change the format for numbers, date, time. Customize tab, Date tab and
> > > change to the short date to
> > >
> > > yyyy/MM/dd
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Convenient if you want to make a slide show of pictures from different
> > > folders. Just make a new folder, copy the photos you want in the new
> > folder,
> > > place the thumbnails in the order you want and rename.
> > >
> > > You are not restricted to only one name (you use one name for one
group
> of
> > > picture, another for the next group, etc. and this also avoid making
> > > subfolders to separate pictures from the same event) and you can
control
> > the
> > > order in which each group will open, by placing a number up front of
the
> > > file name for each group. You may have photos of Christmas, Easter,
New
> > Year
> > > etc. and of different years and you want them all together in the same
> > > folder for a big slide show or save them on a CD to send to friends.
> Make
> > a
> > > new folder, copy them to the new folder. Then, place the thumbnails in
> the
> > > order you want, select the first group, right click on the first
> thumbnail
> > > in the group and rename:
> > >
> > > 1_2002 Easter (101).jpg
> > >
> > > Then select the second group and rename
> > >
> > > 2_2002 Christmas (101).jpg
> > >
> > > Placing 1_, 2_, etc in front will control the order of each group and
> > (101)
> > > controls the order within each group.
> > >
> > > If you want to add another group later and you want the photos of this
> > group
> > > to be, say between 1_ and 2_, use 1a_ in front of the file name.
> > >
> > > In the above example, after you make the new folder for your
collection,
> > > copy your Easter photos in it and rename them. Then copy your
Christmas
> > > photos in it and rename them. Then copy the next group in it and
rename
> > > them. Easier to do it this way than copying all of them and then
> renaming.
> > > Also, after you copy a group, you can move the thumbnails to change
the
> > > order before renaming.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You may also want to add some more photos in a particular group at a
> later
> > > time, say your Christmas group. No problem. Copy the files you want to
> add
> > > in the folder, move the thumbnails in the group you want to add them
to,
> > > where you want them. Select all the thumbnails in the group, right
click
> > on
> > > the first one and rename. When you rename, you must change the name in
> > order
> > > for rename to take place. Add something like XYZ after Christmas. Once
> > > renaming is done, select the same files again and rename again. Remove
> the
> > > XYZ and you will be back to the original name.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Note: There is a disadvantage to changing the original name of files.
> This
> > > is why I recommend at the start to make a new folder and copy your
> > original
> > > files in the new folder before renaming. The disadvantage is this.
Many
> > have
> > > the option of video out from the camera to display the pictures from
the
> > > memory card in your camera to a TV for a slide show. If you change the
> > file
> > > names and copy the files back to your memory card to display on your
TV
> > (or
> > > even to just look at them on the LCD of the camera) your camera may
not
> be
> > > able to read the files. You can always rename, using the same format
(8
> > > characters) that your camera uses, but now you will have to rename
each
> > file
> > > and this is tedious. So, be careful what you do with your original
files
> > > (you should have a copy of your original files on a CD-R, make sure of
> > > this). Cameras that will not read modified file names (or files edited
> > with
> > > photo editing software) are Sony, Olympus, Minolta and probably
others.
> > > Cameras that "may" read such are Canon and Kodak (at least some
models)
> > but
> > > check this by copying a modified picture file back to your camera card
> and
> > > try to read it.
> > >
> > > There is a second disadvantage. The above naming system is an XP
system.
> > As
> > > long as you are on XP everything will be displayed properly with this
> > naming
> > > system. However, if you go out of XP, the display order is unlikely to
> be
> > > the same. Particularly true if you want to play a CD to your TV using
a
> > DVD
> > > player. Your DVD player will read files on your CD differently and
will
> > want
> > > them in the order 001,002,003, etc. rather than with the above system.
> It
> > > wants files listed like:
> > >
> > > Image 001.jpg
> > >
> > > Image 002.jpg
> > >
> > > etc. to display them in the proper order. Since you now have your
files
> in
> > > the order you want in a folder by using XP, rename again if you want
to
> > copy
> > > them to a CD and play this CD in a DVD player. Easy to do. Download
the
> > free
> > > software from here:
> > >
> > > www.irfanview.com
> > >
> > > Once installed, open it and click on File and Batch
conversion/renaming.
> > >
> > > Select the files to rename, select the same folder for the new names.
> > > Irfanview will not delete the file names you made with XP. It will add
> new
> > > file names in the same folder (or you can make a new folder). You
select
> a
> > > single new name for all the files and 001, 002, 003, etc will be added
> > > automatically. Open the folder and you will see the added files. You
now
> > > copy these files to a CD. Then you just delete these files. Select
them,
> > > hold the Shift key down and press the Delete key. They are removed and
> > will
> > > not go to the Recycle bin if you hold the Shift key down when pressing
> the
> > > Delete key.
> > >
> > > You will encounter the same problem if you upload your photos to a
> server
> > on
> > > the Internet and you are using the XP naming system. The order will
not
> be
> > > displayed properly and some server will not accept names with ( ) .
You
> > need
> > > to use the Image 001.jpg etc system. So, again, once you have your
> photos
> > in
> > > the order you want them and you renamed using XP, simply use irfanview
> to
> > > change the name and upload these files as when preparing them to copy
to
> a
> > > CD for display via a DVD player.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Note: Although I recommend making a new folder and copying your files
> > there
> > > before renaming, there is also another way to do this and you may
prefer
> > it
> > > once you are comfortable with renaming. Here is how to do it.
> > >
> > > Open the folder to see your files. Hold the Ctrl key down and press
the
> > > letter A to select (highlight in blue) all the files. Hold the Ctrl
key
> > down
> > > and press the letter C. This makes a copy of all the files to your
> > > clipboard. Hold the Ctrl key down and press the letter V. This copies
> > > (pastes) all the files back in your folder. The file names will be the
> > same,
> > > but the words "Copy of" will be in front of the file names. You then
> > rename
> > > Copy of files.
> > >
> > > This way your original files and renamed files are in the same folder.
> > >
> > > This is also very useful when you want to edit photos with software.
You
> > > always edit "Copy of", never edit your original file.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > All this renaming may seem a little complicated at first, but you can
> > really
> > > manipulate things very well by just sitting down and understanding the
> > > system. With a little practice you can get what you want.
> > >
> > > However, before renaming, make sure you make a new folder and copy
some
> > > photo files there so you can practice with no danger to your original
> > files.
> > > After you are comfortable with this, once you download the files from
> your
> > > camera in a folder you can skip copying them into another folder and
you
> > > just rename the files.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Once your photos are arranged with folder names in chronological
order,
> > you
> > > can use the free Picasa 2 from www.picasa.com This will scan your hard
> > drive
> > > for all your photos. After this, when you open Picasa only your photo
> > > folders will be listed and all the thumbnails in all your folders will
> be
> > > displayed. A lot easier to work with than from Explorer or My Computer
> > > listing.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Peter Afonin" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > By default Windows XP sorts all files in the folder by name, and I
> > cannot
> > > > figure out how to remove sorting completely.
> > > >
> > > > For instance, I'm working with images. I switch view to Filmstrip
and
> > > > arrange images in the order I need. When I switch to the Details
> view -
> > > all
> > > > my arrangements are gone. When I try to remove all kinds of sorting
in
> > > > View - Choose Details, for instance, I cannot remove Name. Is there
a
> > way
> > > to
> > > > preserve the sorting I've done it Filmstrip view, when I switch to
> > Details
> > > > or List view?
> > > >
> > > > I would appreciate any suggestions.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Peter Afonin
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Peter Afonin]

Hi Keith,

Thank you, this is what I need. The only problem that I'm not aware of any
program that could do it in batches. For instance, I might have hundreds
pictures in one folder and would like to sort them and number in the order I
need (preferably without renaming, just changing attributes, perhaps Summary
field). Next time I may need to do a different numbering of these pictures.

I don't know whether it's possible to do this batch numbering in Windows
Explorer or any program like Irfanview, XNView, ACDSee or any. They all do
batch renaming, but don't change attributes in batches).

Thanks again,

Peter

"Keith Miller MVP" > wrote in message
...
> Are you using all the summary fields? If not, you could use one for a
sort number or alpha string
> and sort on that in details view.
>
> --
> Good Luck,
>
> Keith
> Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]
>
>
> "Peter Afonin" > wrote in message
...
> > Hello,
> >
> > By default Windows XP sorts all files in the folder by name, and I
cannot
> > figure out how to remove sorting completely.
> >
> > For instance, I'm working with images. I switch view to Filmstrip and
> > arrange images in the order I need. When I switch to the Details view -
all
> > my arrangements are gone. When I try to remove all kinds of sorting in
> > View - Choose Details, for instance, I cannot remove Name. Is there a
way to
> > preserve the sorting I've done it Filmstrip view, when I switch to
Details
> > or List view?
> >
> > I would appreciate any suggestions.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > --
> > Peter Afonin
> >
> >
>

[Michael J. Mahon]

While it would be nice to do felxible reordering as you describe,
almost every probram defaults to alphabetical ordering.

I suggest that you make a copy of the desired directory and rename
the copies of your files as suggested, so that alphabetical ordering
will produce your desired result. Any other approach is swimming
upstream.

-michael


Peter Afonin wrote:
> Hi Keith,
>
> Thank you, this is what I need. The only problem that I'm not aware of any
> program that could do it in batches. For instance, I might have hundreds
> pictures in one folder and would like to sort them and number in the order I
> need (preferably without renaming, just changing attributes, perhaps Summary
> field). Next time I may need to do a different numbering of these pictures.
>
> I don't know whether it's possible to do this batch numbering in Windows
> Explorer or any program like Irfanview, XNView, ACDSee or any. They all do
> batch renaming, but don't change attributes in batches).
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Peter
>
> "Keith Miller MVP" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Are you using all the summary fields? If not, you could use one for a
>
> sort number or alpha string
>
>>and sort on that in details view.
>>
>>--
>>Good Luck,
>>
>>Keith
>>Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]
>>
>>
>>"Peter Afonin" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>By default Windows XP sorts all files in the folder by name, and I
>
> cannot
>
>>>figure out how to remove sorting completely.
>>>
>>>For instance, I'm working with images. I switch view to Filmstrip and
>>>arrange images in the order I need. When I switch to the Details view -
>
> all
>
>>>my arrangements are gone. When I try to remove all kinds of sorting in
>>>View - Choose Details, for instance, I cannot remove Name. Is there a
>
> way to
>
>>>preserve the sorting I've done it Filmstrip view, when I switch to
>
> Details
>
>>>or List view?
>>>
>>>I would appreciate any suggestions.
>>>
>>>Thank you,
>>>
>>>--
>>>Peter Afonin

[Peter]

Thanks, Michael. I'll try.

Peter

Michael J. Mahon wrote:
> While it would be nice to do felxible reordering as you describe,
> almost every probram defaults to alphabetical ordering.
>
> I suggest that you make a copy of the desired directory and rename
> the copies of your files as suggested, so that alphabetical ordering
> will produce your desired result. Any other approach is swimming
> upstream.
>
> -michael
>
>
> Peter Afonin wrote:
> > Hi Keith,
> >
> > Thank you, this is what I need. The only problem that I'm not aware of any
> > program that could do it in batches. For instance, I might have hundreds
> > pictures in one folder and would like to sort them and number in the order I
> > need (preferably without renaming, just changing attributes, perhaps Summary
> > field). Next time I may need to do a different numbering of these pictures.
> >
> > I don't know whether it's possible to do this batch numbering in Windows
> > Explorer or any program like Irfanview, XNView, ACDSee or any. They all do
> > batch renaming, but don't change attributes in batches).
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > "Keith Miller MVP" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Are you using all the summary fields? If not, you could use one for a
> >
> > sort number or alpha string
> >
> >>and sort on that in details view.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Good Luck,
> >>
> >>Keith
> >>Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]
> >>
> >>
> >>"Peter Afonin" > wrote in message
> >
> > ...
> >
> >>>Hello,
> >>>
> >>>By default Windows XP sorts all files in the folder by name, and I
> >
> > cannot
> >
> >>>figure out how to remove sorting completely.
> >>>
> >>>For instance, I'm working with images. I switch view to Filmstrip and
> >>>arrange images in the order I need. When I switch to the Details view -
> >
> > all
> >
> >>>my arrangements are gone. When I try to remove all kinds of sorting in
> >>>View - Choose Details, for instance, I cannot remove Name. Is there a
> >
> > way to
> >
> >>>preserve the sorting I've done it Filmstrip view, when I switch to
> >
> > Details
> >
> >>>or List view?
> >>>
> >>>I would appreciate any suggestions.
> >>>
> >>>Thank you,
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Peter Afonin

[GALAracunala]

Hello Michael,

Irfanview has ability to batch rename, if you using it go to File>Batch Conversion/Rename.
Dialog is pretty much self explaining...

MM> While it would be nice to do felxible reordering as you describe,
MM> almost every probram defaults to alphabetical ordering.
MM>
MM> I suggest that you make a copy of the desired directory and rename
MM> the copies of your files as suggested, so that alphabetical ordering
MM> will produce your desired result. Any other approach is swimming
MM> upstream.
MM>
MM> -michael
MM>
MM> Peter Afonin wrote:
MM>
>> Hi Keith,
>>
>> Thank you, this is what I need. The only problem that I'm not aware
>> of any program that could do it in batches. For instance, I might
>> have hundreds pictures in one folder and would like to sort them and
>> number in the order I need (preferably without renaming, just
>> changing attributes, perhaps Summary field). Next time I may need to
>> do a different numbering of these pictures.
>>
>> I don't know whether it's possible to do this batch numbering in
>> Windows Explorer or any program like Irfanview, XNView, ACDSee or
>> any. They all do batch renaming, but don't change attributes in
>> batches).
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> "Keith Miller MVP" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Are you using all the summary fields? If not, you could use one for
>>> a
>>>
>> sort number or alpha string
>>
>>> and sort on that in details view.
>>>
>>> -- Good Luck,
>>>
>>> Keith
>>> Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]
>>> "Peter Afonin" > wrote in message
>>>
>> ...
>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> By default Windows XP sorts all files in the folder by name, and I
>>>>
>> cannot
>>
>>>> figure out how to remove sorting completely.
>>>>
>>>> For instance, I'm working with images. I switch view to Filmstrip
>>>> and arrange images in the order I need. When I switch to the
>>>> Details view -
>>>>
>> all
>>
>>>> my arrangements are gone. When I try to remove all kinds of sorting
>>>> in View - Choose Details, for instance, I cannot remove Name. Is
>>>> there a
>>>>
>> way to
>>
>>>> preserve the sorting I've done it Filmstrip view, when I switch to
>>>>
>> Details
>>
>>>> or List view?
>>>>
>>>> I would appreciate any suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> -- Peter Afonin
>>>>
GALAracunala
http://free-st.t-com.hr/GALAracunala/

[Michael J. Mahon]

Several programs have this capability, which is why I suggested
renaming as the preferred solution.

-michael


GALAracunala wrote:
> Hello Michael,
>
> Irfanview has ability to batch rename, if you using it go to File>Batch
> Conversion/Rename.
> Dialog is pretty much self explaining...
>
> MM> While it would be nice to do felxible reordering as you describe,
> MM> almost every probram defaults to alphabetical ordering.
> MM> MM> I suggest that you make a copy of the desired directory and rename
> MM> the copies of your files as suggested, so that alphabetical ordering
> MM> will produce your desired result. Any other approach is swimming
> MM> upstream.
> MM> MM> -michael
> MM> MM> Peter Afonin wrote:
> MM>
>
>>> Hi Keith,
>>>
>>> Thank you, this is what I need. The only problem that I'm not aware
>>> of any program that could do it in batches. For instance, I might
>>> have hundreds pictures in one folder and would like to sort them and
>>> number in the order I need (preferably without renaming, just
>>> changing attributes, perhaps Summary field). Next time I may need to
>>> do a different numbering of these pictures.
>>>
>>> I don't know whether it's possible to do this batch numbering in
>>> Windows Explorer or any program like Irfanview, XNView, ACDSee or
>>> any. They all do batch renaming, but don't change attributes in
>>> batches).
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> "Keith Miller MVP" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Are you using all the summary fields? If not, you could use one for
>>>> a
>>>>
>>> sort number or alpha string
>>>
>>>> and sort on that in details view.
>>>>
>>>> -- Good Luck,
>>>>
>>>> Keith
>>>> Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]
>>>> "Peter Afonin" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> By default Windows XP sorts all files in the folder by name, and I
>>>>>
>>> cannot
>>>
>>>>> figure out how to remove sorting completely.
>>>>>
>>>>> For instance, I'm working with images. I switch view to Filmstrip
>>>>> and arrange images in the order I need. When I switch to the
>>>>> Details view -
>>>>>
>>> all
>>>
>>>>> my arrangements are gone. When I try to remove all kinds of sorting
>>>>> in View - Choose Details, for instance, I cannot remove Name. Is
>>>>> there a
>>>>>
>>> way to
>>>
>>>>> preserve the sorting I've done it Filmstrip view, when I switch to
>>>>>
>>> Details
>>>
>>>>> or List view?
>>>>>
>>>>> I would appreciate any suggestions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Peter Afonin
>>>>>
> GALAracunala
> http://free-st.t-com.hr/GALAracunala/
>
>


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