Paul
December 12th 03, 07:06 PM
All - I have got access to my machine now, I used Windows PE
(Preinstallation Environment) - I believe used for embeded devices, anyway
gives a nice DOS style window and allows access to all files and folders,
similar I guess to Recovery Console.
Anyways I restored my windows\repair registry files this way (similar to
307545) - its actually easier than using Recovery Console, and this
obviously bypassed the looping boot problem with the repair install and got
me into Windows.
However If I login normally - any user - I get an error saying that windows
is unable to check to see if the product is activated. It actually
references an error msg which normally relates to VB controls, so figure on
start up there is a little app that check this. Now remember I was running
SP1, then couldnt run Recovery Console, so tried a Repair install - which
only half completed (as it keep rebooting) so I have a bit of a micture of
XP and XPSP1 files, also the laptop was originally an OEM install, so
slightly different again, esp with licensing. There are some issues I
believe with SP1 and licensing/activation......anyway I can get into the
system with Safe Mode (only, ie. no networking support). Awesome, happy
about that at least, no I decrypt al my data.....Yay!!.
I did this and restored the system state that I had, this worked OK and then
I find out that there is another problem with SP1, if you restore a system
state created on SP1 and restore onto an XP install you get a stop error on
rebooting (Entry Point NOt Found 0xc0000139 - KB:328035)......emm back to
where I stated (but now I have decryted my data ;-)), and before anyone
asks, No I couldnt run the SP1 upgrade or windows update because I'm in Safe
Mode!.........
KB 328035 states to do a repair to fix this (and then upgrade to SP1 before
applying System State to get back to your good system state!) - OK so start
the repair again, of course knowing that this wouldnt work either as I
probably still wouldnt be able to boot to Windows without Safe Mode. Anyway
I got further than last time but around 15 minutes to go I get a "Entry
Point Not Found error referencing some Dll and GETIUMS. No KB on this, so
figure its to do with the XP cross SP1 install........
OK back into Windows PE, restore windows\repair files and I'm back into
Windows Safe Mode again. Yay!
So thats where I am at, I'm going to pull the drive out of the laptop and
plug it into a desktop with an IDE cable and download 15gb of data and then
format and reinstall.
I'm happy that I got my data back.
However If anyone has any other suggestions they would of course be greatly
appreciated.
Cheers
Paul
"Kent W. England [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> You can download the XP boot floppies. They are at SP1 rev now and
> include the patch for the OEM password bug.
>
> 310994 - Obtaining Windows XP Setup Boot Disks:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;310994
>
> However, since you have already started a repair installation, I doubt
> that you can fix things with the Recovery Console. If you complete a
> clean install, your encrypted files are gone forever unless you created
> a recovery certificate. If you can get the repair install to complete,
> then I think you'll be able to read your encrypted files.
>
> --
> Kent W. England, Microsoft MVP for Windows
>
>
>
> "Paul" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Bill, thanks for the response, however as I am unable to boot the
> machine
> > into anything resembling Windows I am therefore unable to apply a
> patch to
> > resolve the Recovery Console password problem (KB 307545).
> >
> > Anyone know a way of fixing the recovery Console Password issue by say
> > getting the files themselves and copying them to the appropriate
> location?
> >
> > Basically I need to get a recovery console type thing happening so
> that I
> > can restore registry files for the system to boot, assuming it can
> given
> > that it has stopped half way through an install......Please see email
> below
> > regarding full extent of issue........
> >
> > Cheers
> > Paul
> >
> > <<>>
> > "Bill James" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > The KB article for password rejection using the Recovery Console gives
> > information on how to obtain the hotfix by calling MS Support. As
> long as
> > you have that specific problem and do not ask any other support
> questions
> > during the call you will not be charged for the call.
> >
> > You might want to check your RAM with a good boot disk diagnostic
> checker
> > such as Memtest86 - Memory Diagnostic Page: http://www.memtest86.com/.
> Bad
> > RAM could have caused the original problem and the problems with
> repair
> > install.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bill James
> > Microsoft MVP·DTS
> >
> > Win9x VBScript Utilities » www.billsway.com/vbspage/
> > Windows Tweaks & Tips » www.billsway.com/notes_public/
> >
> > "Paul" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > WinXP Pro Not Booting - Challenging Problem for Experts - Cant use
> > Recovery
> > > Console or Repair, Install Loops + Encrypted Data to retrive
> > >
> > > ******Issue******
> > >
> > > Laptop wouldnt boot due to a registry issue/corruption - Was able to
> go
> > into
> > > windows and login, but no shell (start menu, desktop, icons etc)
> > >
> > > Safe Mode, Last Know Good and all other users profiles didnt work
> either -
> > > same issue as above.
> > >
> > > I do not have a ASR Boot Disk, but do have a System State backup on
> my
> > > drive.
> > >
> > > *****Fixs Tried******
> > >
> > > 1. Recovery Console
> > >
> > > Tried using Recovery Console from WinXP CD, ie. Boot from XP CD
> > >
> > > Refer
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;307545
> > > How to Recover from a Corrupted Registry That Prevents Windows XP
> from
> > > Starting.
> > > (The procedure described in this article uses Recovery Console and
> System
> > > Restore)
> > >
> > > This worked until I got to the Admin password prompt. It then failed
> as
> > > there is a bug with Recovery Console and some machines where XP was
> OEM
> > > installed. So its not possible to run Recovery Console.
> > >
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;308402 -
> 'The
> > > Password Is Not Valid' Error Message Appears When You Log On to
> Recovery
> > > Console in WinXP
> > >
> > > 2. Repair from XP CD
> > >
> > > I next tried a repair from CD per MS KB article.
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;315341 - How
> to
> > > Perform an In-Place Upgrade (Reinstallation) of Windows XP
> > >
> > > This started to work but then after installing drivers and adding CD
> Key
> > it
> > > restarted the PC (reading about 32 minutes remaining). It restarts
> the
> > > install from scratch again (......"restarting Setup.....")
> > >
> > > And It goes round and round in this loop. Probably due to the auto
> restart
> > > on device install failure or perhaps because of the corrupt
> registry.
> > >
> > > *******Current Status******
> > >
> > > Starting PC now restarts the WinXP install as it never finished last
> time,
> > > ie. it DOESNT go to a Win Startup Adv Start Up menu now.
> > >
> > > So I'm kind off half way into an install that wont complete. Its
> possible
> > to
> > > boot with XP CD and go to Recovery Console and/or XP Install. But
> neither
> > > work.
> > >
> > > I could do a new install maybe but this may not work either and
> may????
> > > result in me not being able to access user profiles and data that is
> > > ENCRYPTED using WinXP EFS - I do not have the key saved anywhere to
> disk
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > *******
> > > I am really desperate on what to do with this due ro my 8GB's of
> encrypted
> > > data, can anyone please help?
> > > *******
> > >
> > > I have contacted MS and the OEM and they are no help, expect to try
> a
> > > parallel install of Windows which will I'm sure will lose all my
> encrypted
> > > data, or at leas never allow me to access it again.
> > >
> > > I think I need an NTFS Dos type app so that I can follow a [semi]
> normal
> > > procedure for system restore per KB article on using the recovery
> console.
> > >
> > >
> > > *****Can anyone provide any light please:*******
> > >
> > > 1. What options do I have?
> > >
> > > 2. Can I save my data anyway? esp. given that its encrypted?
> > >
> > > 3. Is using some sort of NTFS DOS type app going to be enough for me
> to
> > > restore some standard registry setting settings to boot?
> > >
> > > 4 If I do this will it boot given that I am now half way through a
> new
> > > install that wont finish?
> > >
> > > 5. Is it possible to force the install to complete, disable the flag
> > > somewhere that is making it reboot?
> > >
> > > 6. Will the restore options,ie. converting back to an original
> registry
> > work
> > > given that I seem to be half way through an install? If I do this it
> may
> > not
> > > boot anyway?
> > >
> > > *******
> > >
> > > I'd really appreciate any help that people can give me, feel free to
> email
> > > group or myself direct. Im sure that others must have had this
> problem.
> > > Basically if it had not been for the MS BUG with Recovery Console
> and OEM
> > > version of XP I would have had it fixed in 30 minutes.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > ps. For more on the repair options I have tried you can check out
> this
> > > excellent resource with screen shots:
> > > http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/repair_xp.htm
> > >
> > > Also I think reinstalling will also cause some data loss according
> to:
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;312369 -You
> May
> > Lose
> > > Data or Program Settings After Reinstalling, Repairing, or Upgrading
> > Windows
> > > XP
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
(Preinstallation Environment) - I believe used for embeded devices, anyway
gives a nice DOS style window and allows access to all files and folders,
similar I guess to Recovery Console.
Anyways I restored my windows\repair registry files this way (similar to
307545) - its actually easier than using Recovery Console, and this
obviously bypassed the looping boot problem with the repair install and got
me into Windows.
However If I login normally - any user - I get an error saying that windows
is unable to check to see if the product is activated. It actually
references an error msg which normally relates to VB controls, so figure on
start up there is a little app that check this. Now remember I was running
SP1, then couldnt run Recovery Console, so tried a Repair install - which
only half completed (as it keep rebooting) so I have a bit of a micture of
XP and XPSP1 files, also the laptop was originally an OEM install, so
slightly different again, esp with licensing. There are some issues I
believe with SP1 and licensing/activation......anyway I can get into the
system with Safe Mode (only, ie. no networking support). Awesome, happy
about that at least, no I decrypt al my data.....Yay!!.
I did this and restored the system state that I had, this worked OK and then
I find out that there is another problem with SP1, if you restore a system
state created on SP1 and restore onto an XP install you get a stop error on
rebooting (Entry Point NOt Found 0xc0000139 - KB:328035)......emm back to
where I stated (but now I have decryted my data ;-)), and before anyone
asks, No I couldnt run the SP1 upgrade or windows update because I'm in Safe
Mode!.........
KB 328035 states to do a repair to fix this (and then upgrade to SP1 before
applying System State to get back to your good system state!) - OK so start
the repair again, of course knowing that this wouldnt work either as I
probably still wouldnt be able to boot to Windows without Safe Mode. Anyway
I got further than last time but around 15 minutes to go I get a "Entry
Point Not Found error referencing some Dll and GETIUMS. No KB on this, so
figure its to do with the XP cross SP1 install........
OK back into Windows PE, restore windows\repair files and I'm back into
Windows Safe Mode again. Yay!
So thats where I am at, I'm going to pull the drive out of the laptop and
plug it into a desktop with an IDE cable and download 15gb of data and then
format and reinstall.
I'm happy that I got my data back.
However If anyone has any other suggestions they would of course be greatly
appreciated.
Cheers
Paul
"Kent W. England [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> You can download the XP boot floppies. They are at SP1 rev now and
> include the patch for the OEM password bug.
>
> 310994 - Obtaining Windows XP Setup Boot Disks:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;310994
>
> However, since you have already started a repair installation, I doubt
> that you can fix things with the Recovery Console. If you complete a
> clean install, your encrypted files are gone forever unless you created
> a recovery certificate. If you can get the repair install to complete,
> then I think you'll be able to read your encrypted files.
>
> --
> Kent W. England, Microsoft MVP for Windows
>
>
>
> "Paul" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Bill, thanks for the response, however as I am unable to boot the
> machine
> > into anything resembling Windows I am therefore unable to apply a
> patch to
> > resolve the Recovery Console password problem (KB 307545).
> >
> > Anyone know a way of fixing the recovery Console Password issue by say
> > getting the files themselves and copying them to the appropriate
> location?
> >
> > Basically I need to get a recovery console type thing happening so
> that I
> > can restore registry files for the system to boot, assuming it can
> given
> > that it has stopped half way through an install......Please see email
> below
> > regarding full extent of issue........
> >
> > Cheers
> > Paul
> >
> > <<>>
> > "Bill James" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > The KB article for password rejection using the Recovery Console gives
> > information on how to obtain the hotfix by calling MS Support. As
> long as
> > you have that specific problem and do not ask any other support
> questions
> > during the call you will not be charged for the call.
> >
> > You might want to check your RAM with a good boot disk diagnostic
> checker
> > such as Memtest86 - Memory Diagnostic Page: http://www.memtest86.com/.
> Bad
> > RAM could have caused the original problem and the problems with
> repair
> > install.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bill James
> > Microsoft MVP·DTS
> >
> > Win9x VBScript Utilities » www.billsway.com/vbspage/
> > Windows Tweaks & Tips » www.billsway.com/notes_public/
> >
> > "Paul" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > WinXP Pro Not Booting - Challenging Problem for Experts - Cant use
> > Recovery
> > > Console or Repair, Install Loops + Encrypted Data to retrive
> > >
> > > ******Issue******
> > >
> > > Laptop wouldnt boot due to a registry issue/corruption - Was able to
> go
> > into
> > > windows and login, but no shell (start menu, desktop, icons etc)
> > >
> > > Safe Mode, Last Know Good and all other users profiles didnt work
> either -
> > > same issue as above.
> > >
> > > I do not have a ASR Boot Disk, but do have a System State backup on
> my
> > > drive.
> > >
> > > *****Fixs Tried******
> > >
> > > 1. Recovery Console
> > >
> > > Tried using Recovery Console from WinXP CD, ie. Boot from XP CD
> > >
> > > Refer
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;307545
> > > How to Recover from a Corrupted Registry That Prevents Windows XP
> from
> > > Starting.
> > > (The procedure described in this article uses Recovery Console and
> System
> > > Restore)
> > >
> > > This worked until I got to the Admin password prompt. It then failed
> as
> > > there is a bug with Recovery Console and some machines where XP was
> OEM
> > > installed. So its not possible to run Recovery Console.
> > >
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;308402 -
> 'The
> > > Password Is Not Valid' Error Message Appears When You Log On to
> Recovery
> > > Console in WinXP
> > >
> > > 2. Repair from XP CD
> > >
> > > I next tried a repair from CD per MS KB article.
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;315341 - How
> to
> > > Perform an In-Place Upgrade (Reinstallation) of Windows XP
> > >
> > > This started to work but then after installing drivers and adding CD
> Key
> > it
> > > restarted the PC (reading about 32 minutes remaining). It restarts
> the
> > > install from scratch again (......"restarting Setup.....")
> > >
> > > And It goes round and round in this loop. Probably due to the auto
> restart
> > > on device install failure or perhaps because of the corrupt
> registry.
> > >
> > > *******Current Status******
> > >
> > > Starting PC now restarts the WinXP install as it never finished last
> time,
> > > ie. it DOESNT go to a Win Startup Adv Start Up menu now.
> > >
> > > So I'm kind off half way into an install that wont complete. Its
> possible
> > to
> > > boot with XP CD and go to Recovery Console and/or XP Install. But
> neither
> > > work.
> > >
> > > I could do a new install maybe but this may not work either and
> may????
> > > result in me not being able to access user profiles and data that is
> > > ENCRYPTED using WinXP EFS - I do not have the key saved anywhere to
> disk
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > *******
> > > I am really desperate on what to do with this due ro my 8GB's of
> encrypted
> > > data, can anyone please help?
> > > *******
> > >
> > > I have contacted MS and the OEM and they are no help, expect to try
> a
> > > parallel install of Windows which will I'm sure will lose all my
> encrypted
> > > data, or at leas never allow me to access it again.
> > >
> > > I think I need an NTFS Dos type app so that I can follow a [semi]
> normal
> > > procedure for system restore per KB article on using the recovery
> console.
> > >
> > >
> > > *****Can anyone provide any light please:*******
> > >
> > > 1. What options do I have?
> > >
> > > 2. Can I save my data anyway? esp. given that its encrypted?
> > >
> > > 3. Is using some sort of NTFS DOS type app going to be enough for me
> to
> > > restore some standard registry setting settings to boot?
> > >
> > > 4 If I do this will it boot given that I am now half way through a
> new
> > > install that wont finish?
> > >
> > > 5. Is it possible to force the install to complete, disable the flag
> > > somewhere that is making it reboot?
> > >
> > > 6. Will the restore options,ie. converting back to an original
> registry
> > work
> > > given that I seem to be half way through an install? If I do this it
> may
> > not
> > > boot anyway?
> > >
> > > *******
> > >
> > > I'd really appreciate any help that people can give me, feel free to
> > > group or myself direct. Im sure that others must have had this
> problem.
> > > Basically if it had not been for the MS BUG with Recovery Console
> and OEM
> > > version of XP I would have had it fixed in 30 minutes.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > ps. For more on the repair options I have tried you can check out
> this
> > > excellent resource with screen shots:
> > > http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/repair_xp.htm
> > >
> > > Also I think reinstalling will also cause some data loss according
> to:
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;312369 -You
> May
> > Lose
> > > Data or Program Settings After Reinstalling, Repairing, or Upgrading
> > Windows
> > > XP
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>