Windows XP update from another OS

[Karen]

Hi,

I have two computers. I can only connect one of them to the Internet. The OS
on that one is 98. The problem is that I need to download Windows updates
for the other computer, which has XP installed.
=> Is there a way I can use the 98 machine to download XP updates? I don't
need it to check which updates the XP machine needs- I don't mind just
downloading everything that's available.

Thanks,
Karen.

[rifleman]

In article >,
says...
> Hi,
>
> I have two computers. I can only connect one of them to the Internet. The OS
> on that one is 98. The problem is that I need to download Windows updates
> for the other computer, which has XP installed.
> => Is there a way I can use the 98 machine to download XP updates? I don't
> need it to check which updates the XP machine needs- I don't mind just
> downloading everything that's available.
>
> Thanks,
> Karen.
>
>
>
In Windows Update, click on Customise (in the LH pane) and choose "Show
Windows Update catalog". Click in Windows Update Catalog and you can
then choose your updates to download and the folder in which to save
them

HTH
--
(I may be wrong...I usually am....)
Google is your Friend
Email address deliberately false to avoid spam:
www.gbpcomputing.co.uk

[Rob Schneider]

Karen wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have two computers. I can only connect one of them to the Internet. The OS
> on that one is 98. The problem is that I need to download Windows updates
> for the other computer, which has XP installed.
> => Is there a way I can use the 98 machine to download XP updates? I don't
> need it to check which updates the XP machine needs- I don't mind just
> downloading everything that's available.
>
> Thanks,
> Karen.
>
>

Since you XP computer is not on the internet, and most of the updates
that are available via Windows UPdate have to do with security concerns
related to network/internet ... frankly, don't bother. Unless you have
problems on the XP machine leave well enough alone. You don't need
updates if you don't have problems that you know are solved by these
updates.

[James Clarke]

Please don't listen to the 2 other morons who replied to your post.

Set up 'internet connection sharing' on your windows 98 computer.

You can see how to do this here: http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_98

If you don't have Windows 98 SR2, then you can't do that.

I would suggest temporarily connecting your Windows XP computer to the
internet to do the updates.


"Karen" > wrote in message
...
> Hi,
>
> I have two computers. I can only connect one of them to the Internet. The
OS
> on that one is 98. The problem is that I need to download Windows updates
> for the other computer, which has XP installed.
> => Is there a way I can use the 98 machine to download XP updates? I don't
> need it to check which updates the XP machine needs- I don't mind just
> downloading everything that's available.
>
> Thanks,
> Karen.
>
>

[Rob Schneider]

James,

The question was NOT to connect the XP machine to the Internet. The
person stated clearly it was not connected. If they wanted it
connected, lets give them benefit of the doubt that they would then ask
that quesstion.

If not connected, are there compelling reasons to get updates unless
these updates are known to fix specific problems?

thanks,
rms

James Clarke wrote:

> Please don't listen to the 2 other morons who replied to your post.
>
> Set up 'internet connection sharing' on your windows 98 computer.
>
> You can see how to do this here: http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_98
>
> If you don't have Windows 98 SR2, then you can't do that.
>
> I would suggest temporarily connecting your Windows XP computer to the
> internet to do the updates.
>
>
> "Karen" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have two computers. I can only connect one of them to the Internet. The
>
> OS
>
>>on that one is 98. The problem is that I need to download Windows updates
>>for the other computer, which has XP installed.
>>=> Is there a way I can use the 98 machine to download XP updates? I don't
>>need it to check which updates the XP machine needs- I don't mind just
>>downloading everything that's available.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Karen.
>>
>>
>
>
>

[rifleman]

In article >,
says...
> Please don't listen to the 2 other morons who replied to your post.
>
> Set up 'internet connection sharing' on your windows 98 computer.
>
> You can see how to do this here: http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_98
>
> If you don't have Windows 98 SR2, then you can't do that.
>
> I would suggest temporarily connecting your Windows XP computer to the
> internet to do the updates.
>
>
> "Karen" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have two computers. I can only connect one of them to the Internet. The
> OS
> > on that one is 98. The problem is that I need to download Windows updates
> > for the other computer, which has XP installed.
> > => Is there a way I can use the 98 machine to download XP updates? I don't
> > need it to check which updates the XP machine needs- I don't mind just
> > downloading everything that's available.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Karen.
> >
> >
>
>
>
And which two "morons" might that be?
--
(I may be wrong...I usually am....)
Google is your Friend
Email address deliberately false to avoid spam:
www.gbpcomputing.co.uk

[rifleman]

In article >,
says...
> Please don't listen to the 2 other morons who replied to your post.
>
> Set up 'internet connection sharing' on your windows 98 computer.
>
> You can see how to do this here: http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_98
>
> If you don't have Windows 98 SR2, then you can't do that.
>
> I would suggest temporarily connecting your Windows XP computer to the
> internet to do the updates.
>
>
> "Karen" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have two computers. I can only connect one of them to the Internet. The
> OS
> > on that one is 98. The problem is that I need to download Windows updates
> > for the other computer, which has XP installed.
> > => Is there a way I can use the 98 machine to download XP updates? I don't
> > need it to check which updates the XP machine needs- I don't mind just
> > downloading everything that's available.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Karen.
> >
> >
>
>
>
Are you a dipstick or what? The XP machine IS NOT CONNECTED.The OP does
NOT WANT to connect the XP machine.

You're the MORON.
--
(I may be wrong...I usually am....)
Google is your Friend
Email address deliberately false to avoid spam:
www.gbpcomputing.co.uk

[James Clarke]

how about if he installs software that requires certain service packs? have
you not seen this before with office 2000 on windows nt, and in several
other cases. microsoft don't release operating systems that are fault-free,
and you may not notice these faults until a later date.
updating your operating system is highly reccomended by experts in this
industry, INCLUDING microsoft, even if you machine is not connected to the
internet.

i can't imagine why you would reccoment NOT to install windows updates.
they aren't ALL about security risks, a lot are about faults and updates to
ensure the most up to date software will run correctly on your computer.


"Rob Schneider" > wrote in message
...
> James,
>
> The question was NOT to connect the XP machine to the Internet. The
> person stated clearly it was not connected. If they wanted it
> connected, lets give them benefit of the doubt that they would then ask
> that quesstion.
>
> If not connected, are there compelling reasons to get updates unless
> these updates are known to fix specific problems?
>
> thanks,
> rms
>
> James Clarke wrote:
>
> > Please don't listen to the 2 other morons who replied to your post.
> >
> > Set up 'internet connection sharing' on your windows 98 computer.
> >
> > You can see how to do this here:
http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_98
> >
> > If you don't have Windows 98 SR2, then you can't do that.
> >
> > I would suggest temporarily connecting your Windows XP computer to the
> > internet to do the updates.
> >
> >
> > "Karen" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>I have two computers. I can only connect one of them to the Internet.
The
> >
> > OS
> >
> >>on that one is 98. The problem is that I need to download Windows
updates
> >>for the other computer, which has XP installed.
> >>=> Is there a way I can use the 98 machine to download XP updates? I
don't
> >>need it to check which updates the XP machine needs- I don't mind just
> >>downloading everything that's available.
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>Karen.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>

[Rob Schneider]

Then that would be would be a compelling reason to update. But that was
not the question; nor was it even hinted-at by Karen.

I did not say do not update. I said do not update unless there is a
problem on the computer known to be fixed by an update. If the computer
is working and serving its purpose, then let it alone and let it
continue to serve its purpose.

It is not required to have newer software to continue serving a purpose
which works. I agree some believe so, including some experts. Some
experts think differently. I think differently, and that's my prerogative.

> how about if he installs software that requires certain service packs? have
> you not seen this before with office 2000 on windows nt, and in several
> other cases. microsoft don't release operating systems that are fault-free,
> and you may not notice these faults until a later date.
> updating your operating system is highly reccomended by experts in this
> industry, INCLUDING microsoft, even if you machine is not connected to the
> internet.
>
> i can't imagine why you would reccoment NOT to install windows updates.
> they aren't ALL about security risks, a lot are about faults and updates to
> ensure the most up to date software will run correctly on your computer.
>
>
> "Rob Schneider" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>James,
>>
>>The question was NOT to connect the XP machine to the Internet. The
>>person stated clearly it was not connected. If they wanted it
>>connected, lets give them benefit of the doubt that they would then ask
>>that quesstion.
>>
>>If not connected, are there compelling reasons to get updates unless
>>these updates are known to fix specific problems?
>>
>>thanks,
>>rms
>>
>>James Clarke wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Please don't listen to the 2 other morons who replied to your post.
>>>
>>>Set up 'internet connection sharing' on your windows 98 computer.
>>>
>>>You can see how to do this here:
>
> http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_98
>
>>>If you don't have Windows 98 SR2, then you can't do that.
>>>
>>>I would suggest temporarily connecting your Windows XP computer to the
>>>internet to do the updates.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Karen" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>I have two computers. I can only connect one of them to the Internet.
>
> The
>
>>>OS
>>>
>>>
>>>>on that one is 98. The problem is that I need to download Windows
>
> updates
>
>>>>for the other computer, which has XP installed.
>>>>=> Is there a way I can use the 98 machine to download XP updates? I
>
> don't
>
>>>>need it to check which updates the XP machine needs- I don't mind just
>>>>downloading everything that's available.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Karen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

[SunSpot]

<PLONK>


"James Clarke" > wrote in message
...
> how about if he installs software that requires certain service packs?
have
> you not seen this before with office 2000 on windows nt, and in several
> other cases. microsoft don't release operating systems that are
fault-free,
> and you may not notice these faults until a later date.
> updating your operating system is highly reccomended by experts in this
> industry, INCLUDING microsoft, even if you machine is not connected to the
> internet.
>
> i can't imagine why you would reccoment NOT to install windows updates.
> they aren't ALL about security risks, a lot are about faults and updates
to
> ensure the most up to date software will run correctly on your computer.
>
>
> "Rob Schneider" > wrote in message
> ...
> > James,
> >
> > The question was NOT to connect the XP machine to the Internet. The
> > person stated clearly it was not connected. If they wanted it
> > connected, lets give them benefit of the doubt that they would then ask
> > that quesstion.
> >
> > If not connected, are there compelling reasons to get updates unless
> > these updates are known to fix specific problems?
> >
> > thanks,
> > rms
> >
> > James Clarke wrote:
> >
> > > Please don't listen to the 2 other morons who replied to your post.
> > >
> > > Set up 'internet connection sharing' on your windows 98 computer.
> > >
> > > You can see how to do this here:
> http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_98
> > >
> > > If you don't have Windows 98 SR2, then you can't do that.
> > >
> > > I would suggest temporarily connecting your Windows XP computer to the
> > > internet to do the updates.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Karen" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > >>Hi,
> > >>
> > >>I have two computers. I can only connect one of them to the Internet.
> The
> > >
> > > OS
> > >
> > >>on that one is 98. The problem is that I need to download Windows
> updates
> > >>for the other computer, which has XP installed.
> > >>=> Is there a way I can use the 98 machine to download XP updates? I
> don't
> > >>need it to check which updates the XP machine needs- I don't mind just
> > >>downloading everything that's available.
> > >>
> > >>Thanks,
> > >>Karen.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

[Jasdev Dhaliwal]

It all kind of depends in what you want to do.
Internet Connection Sharing is one good option.
Personally, in your situation, I would just ensure
that you are running Windows XP SP1. That's enough for the
moment as long as your XP machine isn't connected to the
web. For further updates, just wait until SP2 is released.

Jas



>-----Original Message-----
>In article >,

>says...
>> Please don't listen to the 2 other morons who replied
to your post.
>>
>> Set up 'internet connection sharing' on your windows
98 computer.
>>
>> You can see how to do this here:
http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_98
>>
>> If you don't have Windows 98 SR2, then you can't do
that.
>>
>> I would suggest temporarily connecting your Windows XP
computer to the
>> internet to do the updates.
>>
>>
>> "Karen" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I have two computers. I can only connect one of them
to the Internet. The
>> OS
>> > on that one is 98. The problem is that I need to
download Windows updates
>> > for the other computer, which has XP installed.
>> > => Is there a way I can use the 98 machine to
download XP updates? I don't
>> > need it to check which updates the XP machine needs-
I don't mind just
>> > downloading everything that's available.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Karen.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>Are you a dipstick or what? The XP machine IS NOT
CONNECTED.The OP does
>NOT WANT to connect the XP machine.
>
>You're the MORON.
>--
>(I may be wrong...I usually am....)
>Google is your Friend
>Email address deliberately false to avoid spam:
>www.gbpcomputing.co.uk
>
>.
>

[Boetard]

Go to this Microsoft site and download the XP updates to the computer
connected to the internet. You can then burn them to a cd or transfer them
to the XP computer over a network connection.
http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp?corporate=true


"Jasdev Dhaliwal" > wrote in message
...
>
> It all kind of depends in what you want to do.
> Internet Connection Sharing is one good option.
> Personally, in your situation, I would just ensure
> that you are running Windows XP SP1. That's enough for the
> moment as long as your XP machine isn't connected to the
> web. For further updates, just wait until SP2 is released.
>
> Jas
>
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >In article >,
>
> >says...
> >> Please don't listen to the 2 other morons who replied
> to your post.
> >>
> >> Set up 'internet connection sharing' on your windows
> 98 computer.
> >>
> >> You can see how to do this here:
> http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_98
> >>
> >> If you don't have Windows 98 SR2, then you can't do
> that.
> >>
> >> I would suggest temporarily connecting your Windows XP
> computer to the
> >> internet to do the updates.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Karen" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > I have two computers. I can only connect one of them
> to the Internet. The
> >> OS
> >> > on that one is 98. The problem is that I need to
> download Windows updates
> >> > for the other computer, which has XP installed.
> >> > => Is there a way I can use the 98 machine to
> download XP updates? I don't
> >> > need it to check which updates the XP machine needs-
> I don't mind just
> >> > downloading everything that's available.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Karen.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >Are you a dipstick or what? The XP machine IS NOT
> CONNECTED.The OP does
> >NOT WANT to connect the XP machine.
> >
> >You're the MORON.
> >--
> >(I may be wrong...I usually am....)
> >Google is your Friend
> >Email address deliberately false to avoid spam:
> >www.gbpcomputing.co.uk
> >
> >.
> >

[James Clarke]

Stop being a moron.

"Rob Schneider" > wrote in message
...
> Then that would be would be a compelling reason to update. But that was
> not the question; nor was it even hinted-at by Karen.
>
> I did not say do not update. I said do not update unless there is a
> problem on the computer known to be fixed by an update. If the computer
> is working and serving its purpose, then let it alone and let it
> continue to serve its purpose.
>
> It is not required to have newer software to continue serving a purpose
> which works. I agree some believe so, including some experts. Some
> experts think differently. I think differently, and that's my prerogative.
>
> > how about if he installs software that requires certain service packs?
have
> > you not seen this before with office 2000 on windows nt, and in several
> > other cases. microsoft don't release operating systems that are
fault-free,
> > and you may not notice these faults until a later date.
> > updating your operating system is highly reccomended by experts in this
> > industry, INCLUDING microsoft, even if you machine is not connected to
the
> > internet.
> >
> > i can't imagine why you would reccoment NOT to install windows updates.
> > they aren't ALL about security risks, a lot are about faults and updates
to
> > ensure the most up to date software will run correctly on your computer.
> >
> >
> > "Rob Schneider" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>James,
> >>
> >>The question was NOT to connect the XP machine to the Internet. The
> >>person stated clearly it was not connected. If they wanted it
> >>connected, lets give them benefit of the doubt that they would then ask
> >>that quesstion.
> >>
> >>If not connected, are there compelling reasons to get updates unless
> >>these updates are known to fix specific problems?
> >>
> >>thanks,
> >>rms
> >>
> >>James Clarke wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Please don't listen to the 2 other morons who replied to your post.
> >>>
> >>>Set up 'internet connection sharing' on your windows 98 computer.
> >>>
> >>>You can see how to do this here:
> >
> > http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_98
> >
> >>>If you don't have Windows 98 SR2, then you can't do that.
> >>>
> >>>I would suggest temporarily connecting your Windows XP computer to the
> >>>internet to do the updates.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Karen" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>>I have two computers. I can only connect one of them to the Internet.
> >
> > The
> >
> >>>OS
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>on that one is 98. The problem is that I need to download Windows
> >
> > updates
> >
> >>>>for the other computer, which has XP installed.
> >>>>=> Is there a way I can use the 98 machine to download XP updates? I
> >
> > don't
> >
> >>>>need it to check which updates the XP machine needs- I don't mind just
> >>>>downloading everything that's available.
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks,
> >>>>Karen.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
>

[Karen]

Thanks!
The problem is that when I go to that link I am redirected to the following
URL:
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/Static%5FLocale/V31site/
and then none of the personalization options appear.
(Rob is right- I don't want to connect the XP machine to the Internet. But I
do want the option to update it if the user wants to).
Thanks again,
Karen.


"Boetard" > wrote in message
...
> Go to this Microsoft site and download the XP updates to the computer
> connected to the internet. You can then burn them to a cd or transfer them
> to the XP computer over a network connection.
> http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp?corporate=true
>
>
> "Jasdev Dhaliwal" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > It all kind of depends in what you want to do.
> > Internet Connection Sharing is one good option.
> > Personally, in your situation, I would just ensure
> > that you are running Windows XP SP1. That's enough for the
> > moment as long as your XP machine isn't connected to the
> > web. For further updates, just wait until SP2 is released.
> >
> > Jas
> >
> >
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >In article >,
> >
> > >says...
> > >> Please don't listen to the 2 other morons who replied
> > to your post.
> > >>
> > >> Set up 'internet connection sharing' on your windows
> > 98 computer.
> > >>
> > >> You can see how to do this here:
> > http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_98
> > >>
> > >> If you don't have Windows 98 SR2, then you can't do
> > that.
> > >>
> > >> I would suggest temporarily connecting your Windows XP
> > computer to the
> > >> internet to do the updates.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Karen" > wrote in message
> > >> ...
> > >> > Hi,
> > >> >
> > >> > I have two computers. I can only connect one of them
> > to the Internet. The
> > >> OS
> > >> > on that one is 98. The problem is that I need to
> > download Windows updates
> > >> > for the other computer, which has XP installed.
> > >> > => Is there a way I can use the 98 machine to
> > download XP updates? I don't
> > >> > need it to check which updates the XP machine needs-
> > I don't mind just
> > >> > downloading everything that's available.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks,
> > >> > Karen.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >Are you a dipstick or what? The XP machine IS NOT
> > CONNECTED.The OP does
> > >NOT WANT to connect the XP machine.
> > >
> > >You're the MORON.
> > >--
> > >(I may be wrong...I usually am....)
> > >Google is your Friend
> > >Email address deliberately false to avoid spam:
> > >www.gbpcomputing.co.uk
> > >
> > >.
> > >
>
>

[James Clarke]

then what's wrong with temporarily connecting purely for windows update?

"Karen" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks!
> The problem is that when I go to that link I am redirected to the
following
> URL:
> http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/Static%5FLocale/V31site/
> and then none of the personalization options appear.
> (Rob is right- I don't want to connect the XP machine to the Internet. But
I
> do want the option to update it if the user wants to).
> Thanks again,
> Karen.
>
>
> "Boetard" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Go to this Microsoft site and download the XP updates to the computer
> > connected to the internet. You can then burn them to a cd or transfer
them
> > to the XP computer over a network connection.
> > http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp?corporate=true
> >
> >
> > "Jasdev Dhaliwal" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > It all kind of depends in what you want to do.
> > > Internet Connection Sharing is one good option.
> > > Personally, in your situation, I would just ensure
> > > that you are running Windows XP SP1. That's enough for the
> > > moment as long as your XP machine isn't connected to the
> > > web. For further updates, just wait until SP2 is released.
> > >
> > > Jas
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >In article >,
> > >
> > > >says...
> > > >> Please don't listen to the 2 other morons who replied
> > > to your post.
> > > >>
> > > >> Set up 'internet connection sharing' on your windows
> > > 98 computer.
> > > >>
> > > >> You can see how to do this here:
> > > http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_98
> > > >>
> > > >> If you don't have Windows 98 SR2, then you can't do
> > > that.
> > > >>
> > > >> I would suggest temporarily connecting your Windows XP
> > > computer to the
> > > >> internet to do the updates.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "Karen" > wrote in message
> > > >> ...
> > > >> > Hi,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I have two computers. I can only connect one of them
> > > to the Internet. The
> > > >> OS
> > > >> > on that one is 98. The problem is that I need to
> > > download Windows updates
> > > >> > for the other computer, which has XP installed.
> > > >> > => Is there a way I can use the 98 machine to
> > > download XP updates? I don't
> > > >> > need it to check which updates the XP machine needs-
> > > I don't mind just
> > > >> > downloading everything that's available.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Thanks,
> > > >> > Karen.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >Are you a dipstick or what? The XP machine IS NOT
> > > CONNECTED.The OP does
> > > >NOT WANT to connect the XP machine.
> > > >
> > > >You're the MORON.
> > > >--
> > > >(I may be wrong...I usually am....)
> > > >Google is your Friend
> > > >Email address deliberately false to avoid spam:
> > > >www.gbpcomputing.co.uk
> > > >
> > > >.
> > > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Boetard]

Interesting. I just tried this link and went to the proper site to download
the updates.
http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp?corporate=true
Good luck


"Karen" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks!
> The problem is that when I go to that link I am redirected to the
following
> URL:
> http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/Static%5FLocale/V31site/
> and then none of the personalization options appear.
> (Rob is right- I don't want to connect the XP machine to the Internet. But
I
> do want the option to update it if the user wants to).
> Thanks again,
> Karen.
>
>
> "Boetard" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Go to this Microsoft site and download the XP updates to the computer
> > connected to the internet. You can then burn them to a cd or transfer
them
> > to the XP computer over a network connection.
> > http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp?corporate=true
> >
> >
> > "Jasdev Dhaliwal" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > It all kind of depends in what you want to do.
> > > Internet Connection Sharing is one good option.
> > > Personally, in your situation, I would just ensure
> > > that you are running Windows XP SP1. That's enough for the
> > > moment as long as your XP machine isn't connected to the
> > > web. For further updates, just wait until SP2 is released.
> > >
> > > Jas
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >In article >,
> > >
> > > >says...
> > > >> Please don't listen to the 2 other morons who replied
> > > to your post.
> > > >>
> > > >> Set up 'internet connection sharing' on your windows
> > > 98 computer.
> > > >>
> > > >> You can see how to do this here:
> > > http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_98
> > > >>
> > > >> If you don't have Windows 98 SR2, then you can't do
> > > that.
> > > >>
> > > >> I would suggest temporarily connecting your Windows XP
> > > computer to the
> > > >> internet to do the updates.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "Karen" > wrote in message
> > > >> ...
> > > >> > Hi,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I have two computers. I can only connect one of them
> > > to the Internet. The
> > > >> OS
> > > >> > on that one is 98. The problem is that I need to
> > > download Windows updates
> > > >> > for the other computer, which has XP installed.
> > > >> > => Is there a way I can use the 98 machine to
> > > download XP updates? I don't
> > > >> > need it to check which updates the XP machine needs-
> > > I don't mind just
> > > >> > downloading everything that's available.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Thanks,
> > > >> > Karen.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >Are you a dipstick or what? The XP machine IS NOT
> > > CONNECTED.The OP does
> > > >NOT WANT to connect the XP machine.
> > > >
> > > >You're the MORON.
> > > >--
> > > >(I may be wrong...I usually am....)
> > > >Google is your Friend
> > > >Email address deliberately false to avoid spam:
> > > >www.gbpcomputing.co.uk
> > > >
> > > >.
> > > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Boetard]

I did notice that the link does not work using Mozilla. It does work in
Internet Explorer and Opera.

"Karen" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks!
> The problem is that when I go to that link I am redirected to the
following
> URL:
> http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/Static%5FLocale/V31site/
> and then none of the personalization options appear.
> (Rob is right- I don't want to connect the XP machine to the Internet. But
I
> do want the option to update it if the user wants to).
> Thanks again,
> Karen.
>
>
> "Boetard" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Go to this Microsoft site and download the XP updates to the computer
> > connected to the internet. You can then burn them to a cd or transfer
them
> > to the XP computer over a network connection.
> > http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp?corporate=true
> >
> >
> > "Jasdev Dhaliwal" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > It all kind of depends in what you want to do.
> > > Internet Connection Sharing is one good option.
> > > Personally, in your situation, I would just ensure
> > > that you are running Windows XP SP1. That's enough for the
> > > moment as long as your XP machine isn't connected to the
> > > web. For further updates, just wait until SP2 is released.
> > >
> > > Jas
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >In article >,
> > >
> > > >says...
> > > >> Please don't listen to the 2 other morons who replied
> > > to your post.
> > > >>
> > > >> Set up 'internet connection sharing' on your windows
> > > 98 computer.
> > > >>
> > > >> You can see how to do this here:
> > > http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_98
> > > >>
> > > >> If you don't have Windows 98 SR2, then you can't do
> > > that.
> > > >>
> > > >> I would suggest temporarily connecting your Windows XP
> > > computer to the
> > > >> internet to do the updates.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "Karen" > wrote in message
> > > >> ...
> > > >> > Hi,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I have two computers. I can only connect one of them
> > > to the Internet. The
> > > >> OS
> > > >> > on that one is 98. The problem is that I need to
> > > download Windows updates
> > > >> > for the other computer, which has XP installed.
> > > >> > => Is there a way I can use the 98 machine to
> > > download XP updates? I don't
> > > >> > need it to check which updates the XP machine needs-
> > > I don't mind just
> > > >> > downloading everything that's available.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Thanks,
> > > >> > Karen.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >Are you a dipstick or what? The XP machine IS NOT
> > > CONNECTED.The OP does
> > > >NOT WANT to connect the XP machine.
> > > >
> > > >You're the MORON.
> > > >--
> > > >(I may be wrong...I usually am....)
> > > >Google is your Friend
> > > >Email address deliberately false to avoid spam:
> > > >www.gbpcomputing.co.uk
> > > >
> > > >.
> > > >
> >
> >
>
>

[PaulC]

oh shut up James
"James Clarke" > wrote in message
...
> Stop being a moron.
>
> "Rob Schneider" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Then that would be would be a compelling reason to update. But that was
> > not the question; nor was it even hinted-at by Karen.
> >
> > I did not say do not update. I said do not update unless there is a
> > problem on the computer known to be fixed by an update. If the computer
> > is working and serving its purpose, then let it alone and let it
> > continue to serve its purpose.
> >
> > It is not required to have newer software to continue serving a purpose
> > which works. I agree some believe so, including some experts. Some
> > experts think differently. I think differently, and that's my
prerogative.
> >
> > > how about if he installs software that requires certain service packs?
> have
> > > you not seen this before with office 2000 on windows nt, and in
several
> > > other cases. microsoft don't release operating systems that are
> fault-free,
> > > and you may not notice these faults until a later date.
> > > updating your operating system is highly reccomended by experts in
this
> > > industry, INCLUDING microsoft, even if you machine is not connected to
> the
> > > internet.
> > >
> > > i can't imagine why you would reccoment NOT to install windows
updates.
> > > they aren't ALL about security risks, a lot are about faults and
updates
> to
> > > ensure the most up to date software will run correctly on your
computer.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Rob Schneider" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > >>James,
> > >>
> > >>The question was NOT to connect the XP machine to the Internet. The
> > >>person stated clearly it was not connected. If they wanted it
> > >>connected, lets give them benefit of the doubt that they would then
ask
> > >>that quesstion.
> > >>
> > >>If not connected, are there compelling reasons to get updates unless
> > >>these updates are known to fix specific problems?
> > >>
> > >>thanks,
> > >>rms
> > >>
> > >>James Clarke wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Please don't listen to the 2 other morons who replied to your post.
> > >>>
> > >>>Set up 'internet connection sharing' on your windows 98 computer.
> > >>>
> > >>>You can see how to do this here:
> > >
> > > http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_98
> > >
> > >>>If you don't have Windows 98 SR2, then you can't do that.
> > >>>
> > >>>I would suggest temporarily connecting your Windows XP computer to
the
> > >>>internet to do the updates.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>"Karen" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>Hi,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>I have two computers. I can only connect one of them to the
Internet.
> > >
> > > The
> > >
> > >>>OS
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>on that one is 98. The problem is that I need to download Windows
> > >
> > > updates
> > >
> > >>>>for the other computer, which has XP installed.
> > >>>>=> Is there a way I can use the 98 machine to download XP updates? I
> > >
> > > don't
> > >
> > >>>>need it to check which updates the XP machine needs- I don't mind
just
> > >>>>downloading everything that's available.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Thanks,
> > >>>>Karen.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

[Karen]

You went to that link using a 98 machine?

"Boetard" > wrote in message
...
> Interesting. I just tried this link and went to the proper site to
download
> the updates.
> http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp?corporate=true
> Good luck
>
>
> "Karen" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Thanks!
> > The problem is that when I go to that link I am redirected to the
> following
> > URL:
> > http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/Static%5FLocale/V31site/
> > and then none of the personalization options appear.
> > (Rob is right- I don't want to connect the XP machine to the Internet.
But
> I
> > do want the option to update it if the user wants to).
> > Thanks again,
> > Karen.
> >
> >
> > "Boetard" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Go to this Microsoft site and download the XP updates to the computer
> > > connected to the internet. You can then burn them to a cd or transfer
> them
> > > to the XP computer over a network connection.
> > > http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp?corporate=true
> > >
> > >
> > > "Jasdev Dhaliwal" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > It all kind of depends in what you want to do.
> > > > Internet Connection Sharing is one good option.
> > > > Personally, in your situation, I would just ensure
> > > > that you are running Windows XP SP1. That's enough for the
> > > > moment as long as your XP machine isn't connected to the
> > > > web. For further updates, just wait until SP2 is released.
> > > >
> > > > Jas
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >In article >,
> > > >
> > > > >says...
> > > > >> Please don't listen to the 2 other morons who replied
> > > > to your post.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Set up 'internet connection sharing' on your windows
> > > > 98 computer.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You can see how to do this here:
> > > > http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_98
> > > > >>
> > > > >> If you don't have Windows 98 SR2, then you can't do
> > > > that.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I would suggest temporarily connecting your Windows XP
> > > > computer to the
> > > > >> internet to do the updates.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "Karen" > wrote in message
> > > > >> ...
> > > > >> > Hi,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I have two computers. I can only connect one of them
> > > > to the Internet. The
> > > > >> OS
> > > > >> > on that one is 98. The problem is that I need to
> > > > download Windows updates
> > > > >> > for the other computer, which has XP installed.
> > > > >> > => Is there a way I can use the 98 machine to
> > > > download XP updates? I don't
> > > > >> > need it to check which updates the XP machine needs-
> > > > I don't mind just
> > > > >> > downloading everything that's available.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Thanks,
> > > > >> > Karen.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >Are you a dipstick or what? The XP machine IS NOT
> > > > CONNECTED.The OP does
> > > > >NOT WANT to connect the XP machine.
> > > > >
> > > > >You're the MORON.
> > > > >--
> > > > >(I may be wrong...I usually am....)
> > > > >Google is your Friend
> > > > >Email address deliberately false to avoid spam:
> > > > >www.gbpcomputing.co.uk
> > > > >
> > > > >.
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Rob Schneider]

Karen,

Out of curiosity and to provide an independant test for you, I tried the
link to http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp?corporate=true
with a Windows 98 machine (IE 6.0) and it seem to work. It built a long
folder tree along with a link back to the documentation on the web about
the update.

I downloaded one update file ... but of course did not try to install on
98, nor did I try to move the file to an XP machine to install. But on
the surface, doesn't look like there is any reason this won't work.

rms

Karen wrote:

> You went to that link using a 98 machine?
>
> "Boetard" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Interesting. I just tried this link and went to the proper site to
>
> download
>
>>the updates.
>>http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp?corporate=true
>>Good luck
>>
>>
>>"Karen" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>The problem is that when I go to that link I am redirected to the
>>
>>following
>>
>>>URL:
>>>http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/Static%5FLocale/V31site/
>>>and then none of the personalization options appear.
>>>(Rob is right- I don't want to connect the XP machine to the Internet.
>
> But
>
>>I
>>
>>>do want the option to update it if the user wants to).
>>>Thanks again,
>>>Karen.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Boetard" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>>Go to this Microsoft site and download the XP updates to the computer
>>>>connected to the internet. You can then burn them to a cd or transfer
>>
>>them
>>
>>>>to the XP computer over a network connection.
>>>>http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp?corporate=true
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Jasdev Dhaliwal" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>>It all kind of depends in what you want to do.
>>>>>Internet Connection Sharing is one good option.
>>>>>Personally, in your situation, I would just ensure
>>>>>that you are running Windows XP SP1. That's enough for the
>>>>>moment as long as your XP machine isn't connected to the
>>>>>web. For further updates, just wait until SP2 is released.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>In article >,
>>>>>

>>>>>
>>>>>>says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Please don't listen to the 2 other morons who replied
>>>>>
>>>>>to your post.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Set up 'internet connection sharing' on your windows
>>>>>
>>>>>98 computer.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>You can see how to do this here:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_98
>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you don't have Windows 98 SR2, then you can't do
>>>>>
>>>>>that.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>I would suggest temporarily connecting your Windows XP
>>>>>
>>>>>computer to the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>internet to do the updates.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Karen" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have two computers. I can only connect one of them
>>>>>
>>>>>to the Internet. The
>>>>>
>>>>>>>OS
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>on that one is 98. The problem is that I need to
>>>>>
>>>>>download Windows updates
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>for the other computer, which has XP installed.
>>>>>>>>=> Is there a way I can use the 98 machine to
>>>>>
>>>>>download XP updates? I don't
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>need it to check which updates the XP machine needs-
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't mind just
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>downloading everything that's available.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>Karen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Are you a dipstick or what? The XP machine IS NOT
>>>>>
>>>>>CONNECTED.The OP does
>>>>>
>>>>>>NOT WANT to connect the XP machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You're the MORON.
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>(I may be wrong...I usually am....)
>>>>>>Google is your Friend
>>>>>>Email address deliberately false to avoid spam:
>>>>>>www.gbpcomputing.co.uk
>>>>>>
>>>>>>.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

[Boetard]

This site provides updates for all versions of Windows. I use it to obtain
updates for friends who do not have broadband connections. I download the
updates and put them on cd-r's. My friends can then install the updates from
the cd's.

"Rob Schneider" > wrote in message
...
> Karen,
>
> Out of curiosity and to provide an independant test for you, I tried the
> link to
http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp?corporate=true
> with a Windows 98 machine (IE 6.0) and it seem to work. It built a long
> folder tree along with a link back to the documentation on the web about
> the update.
>
> I downloaded one update file ... but of course did not try to install on
> 98, nor did I try to move the file to an XP machine to install. But on
> the surface, doesn't look like there is any reason this won't work.
>
> rms
>
> Karen wrote:
>
> > You went to that link using a 98 machine?
> >
> > "Boetard" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Interesting. I just tried this link and went to the proper site to
> >
> > download
> >
> >>the updates.
> >>http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp?corporate=true
> >>Good luck
> >>
> >>
> >>"Karen" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >>>Thanks!
> >>>The problem is that when I go to that link I am redirected to the
> >>
> >>following
> >>
> >>>URL:
> >>>http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/Static%5FLocale/V31site/
> >>>and then none of the personalization options appear.
> >>>(Rob is right- I don't want to connect the XP machine to the Internet.
> >
> > But
> >
> >>I
> >>
> >>>do want the option to update it if the user wants to).
> >>>Thanks again,
> >>>Karen.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Boetard" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>
> >>>>Go to this Microsoft site and download the XP updates to the computer
> >>>>connected to the internet. You can then burn them to a cd or transfer
> >>
> >>them
> >>
> >>>>to the XP computer over a network connection.
> >>>>http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp?corporate=true
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"Jasdev Dhaliwal" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>
> >>>>>It all kind of depends in what you want to do.
> >>>>>Internet Connection Sharing is one good option.
> >>>>>Personally, in your situation, I would just ensure
> >>>>>that you are running Windows XP SP1. That's enough for the
> >>>>>moment as long as your XP machine isn't connected to the
> >>>>>web. For further updates, just wait until SP2 is released.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Jas
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>In article >,
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Please don't listen to the 2 other morons who replied
> >>>>>
> >>>>>to your post.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>Set up 'internet connection sharing' on your windows
> >>>>>
> >>>>>98 computer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>You can see how to do this here:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_98
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>If you don't have Windows 98 SR2, then you can't do
> >>>>>
> >>>>>that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>I would suggest temporarily connecting your Windows XP
> >>>>>
> >>>>>computer to the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>internet to do the updates.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"Karen" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Hi,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I have two computers. I can only connect one of them
> >>>>>
> >>>>>to the Internet. The
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>OS
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>on that one is 98. The problem is that I need to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>download Windows updates
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>for the other computer, which has XP installed.
> >>>>>>>>=> Is there a way I can use the 98 machine to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>download XP updates? I don't
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>need it to check which updates the XP machine needs-
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I don't mind just
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>downloading everything that's available.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>Karen.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>Are you a dipstick or what? The XP machine IS NOT
> >>>>>
> >>>>>CONNECTED.The OP does
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>NOT WANT to connect the XP machine.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>You're the MORON.
> >>>>>>--
> >>>>>>(I may be wrong...I usually am....)
> >>>>>>Google is your Friend
> >>>>>>Email address deliberately false to avoid spam:
> >>>>>>www.gbpcomputing.co.uk
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>

[Karen]

You went to that link using a 98 machine?

"Boetard" > wrote in message
...
> Interesting. I just tried this link and went to the proper site to
download
> the updates.
> http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp?corporate=true
> Good luck
>
>
> "Karen" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Thanks!
> > The problem is that when I go to that link I am redirected to the
> following
> > URL:
> > http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/Static%5FLocale/V31site/
> > and then none of the personalization options appear.
> > (Rob is right- I don't want to connect the XP machine to the Internet.
But
> I
> > do want the option to update it if the user wants to).
> > Thanks again,
> > Karen.
> >
> >
> > "Boetard" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Go to this Microsoft site and download the XP updates to the computer
> > > connected to the internet. You can then burn them to a cd or transfer
> them
> > > to the XP computer over a network connection.
> > > http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp?corporate=true
> > >
> > >
> > > "Jasdev Dhaliwal" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > It all kind of depends in what you want to do.
> > > > Internet Connection Sharing is one good option.
> > > > Personally, in your situation, I would just ensure
> > > > that you are running Windows XP SP1. That's enough for the
> > > > moment as long as your XP machine isn't connected to the
> > > > web. For further updates, just wait until SP2 is released.
> > > >
> > > > Jas
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >In article >,
> > > >
> > > > >says...
> > > > >> Please don't listen to the 2 other morons who replied
> > > > to your post.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Set up 'internet connection sharing' on your windows
> > > > 98 computer.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You can see how to do this here:
> > > > http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_98
> > > > >>
> > > > >> If you don't have Windows 98 SR2, then you can't do
> > > > that.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I would suggest temporarily connecting your Windows XP
> > > > computer to the
> > > > >> internet to do the updates.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "Karen" > wrote in message
> > > > >> ...
> > > > >> > Hi,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I have two computers. I can only connect one of them
> > > > to the Internet. The
> > > > >> OS
> > > > >> > on that one is 98. The problem is that I need to
> > > > download Windows updates
> > > > >> > for the other computer, which has XP installed.
> > > > >> > => Is there a way I can use the 98 machine to
> > > > download XP updates? I don't
> > > > >> > need it to check which updates the XP machine needs-
> > > > I don't mind just
> > > > >> > downloading everything that's available.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Thanks,
> > > > >> > Karen.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >Are you a dipstick or what? The XP machine IS NOT
> > > > CONNECTED.The OP does
> > > > >NOT WANT to connect the XP machine.
> > > > >
> > > > >You're the MORON.
> > > > >--
> > > > >(I may be wrong...I usually am....)
> > > > >Google is your Friend
> > > > >Email address deliberately false to avoid spam:
> > > > >www.gbpcomputing.co.uk
> > > > >
> > > > >.
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[rifleman]

In article >,
took up the quill and scribed...
> You went to that link using a 98 machine?
>
> "Boetard" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Interesting. I just tried this link and went to the proper site to
> download
> > the updates.
> > http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp?corporate=true
> > Good luck

AFAIK you can use the Corporate download link from any machine,
including Linux!
--
(I may be wrong...I usually am....)
Google is your Friend
Email address deliberately false to avoid spam:
www.gbpcomputing.co.uk