andrewd
July 10th 06, 09:44 PM
Hi,
I have a Canon MV 730i and it used to be detected on my compaq nx7010 laptop
firewire connection. I have XP professional and keep my machine updated with
service packs and recently noticed that my camera does not get detected and
the pc to pc firewire connection no longer seems to work.
I have a dell desktop, also XP professional kept updated, which works
finewith the Canon camera - detects and prompts for the program to run.
Any insight would be appreciated.
Andy
"Graham Hughes" wrote:
> Got a quick reply from MS, which states it's firmware in certain cams that
> is causing the problem. No problems had been found with Sony previously,
> mostly canon, so I'm going to pass on all your details to MS if that is ok
> with you.
> Can you mail me as much detail as possible about the two pc systems,
> including hardware and software, the make/model of cam and when bought,
> PAL/NTSC etc etc. I know we have discussed some of it, but it'll be easier
> for me if I have it off you all in one go.
> I'm also going to start collating info for MS to see if we can get the
> hotfix closer to the top of the pile of things to work on, so no promises,
> but fingers crossed.
>
> Graham
>
> --
> Graham Hughes
> MVP Digital Media
> www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
> www.dvds2treasure.com
> www.simplydv.com
>
>
> "SP2 broke my IEEE1394" > wrote
> in message ...
> > Hi Graham,
> >
> > First off, thanks for taking the time to respond as I realize this is a
> > very
> > nebulous problem.
> >
> > To answer your question on the SFF - I originally had XP SP1 installed on
> > it. At that time, the camera was recognized immediately every time and I
> > had
> > no issues.
> >
> > I then proceeded to format the drive, completely wiping it and installed
> > MCE
> > 2005 on it fresh, and MCE 2005 includes SP2. Now, my camera is not
> > recognized at all on this system or on my other system via Firewire, but
> > USB
> > works.
> >
> > As for hardware, my friend's exact same model camera (Sony DCR TRV22) has
> > the same issue on both my systems as mine does (does not detect firewired
> > cameras at all), so unless the DV gods have conspired to disable both our
> > cameras IEEE 1394 connections simultaneously without affecting any other
> > functions on the cameras, I am guessing the issue must be with my PCs.
> >
> > I agree that there is something new on the PCs that is causing the issue,
> > and based on the many, MANY other people who report IEEE 1394 connection
> > issues with SP2, I must assume this is it. I have yet to come across a
> > definite, common reason why the problem occurs, other than the obvious:
> > i.e.
> > the firewall on the IEEE 1394 connection for example. But you raise a
> > valid
> > point when you state MS has made SP2 more adherent to the standard, where
> > perhaps my Sony camera somehow is not as adherent?
> >
> > But again, the drivers are all MS, NOT Sony, so I am unsure how the
> > problem
> > could be with the camera hardware itself being incompatible, although I
> > suppose it is possible. Bottom line is, I tried a bunch of stuff and the
> > @#$
> > camera Firewire does not work and I am very frustrated since I need to
> > pull
> > the video off somehow and the USB does not cut it.
> >
> > Thanks again for your support.
> >
> > "Graham Hughes" wrote:
> >
> >> Just being picky here, but on one hand you say the mce came with sp2 on
> >> the
> >> other you are saying it used to work with the. Can you just clartify this
> >> for me.
> >> Microsfts take on this is that they moved SP2 to more closely adhere to
> >> the
> >> ieee1394 standards, which SP1a didn't. This has meant that some items,
> >> which
> >> also don't quite adhere to the standards fail to work properly. Now if
> >> they
> >> are telling the truth then it's not really their fault. I have not had
> >> any
> >> problems since updating my office pc, my video editing pc and my wifes pc
> >> with firewire not working properly and I have 3 camcorders. All this
> >> proves
> >> is that in my personal set ups sp2 works fine, it may be a conflict with
> >> other items on your pc's that are causing it, I don't really know.
> >> If it was the sp2 drivers then rolling back would have fixed it, so we
> >> need
> >> to look deeper to try and solve it, so first lets ensure it's not faulty
> >> equipment so see if you can test the cam on a known to work computer and
> >> report back.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Graham Hughes
> >> MVP Digital Media
> >> www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
> >> www.dvds2treasure.com
> >> www.simplydv.com
> >>
> >>
> >> "SP2 broke my IEEE1394" >
> >> wrote
> >> in message ...
> >> > Hi Graham,
> >> >
> >> > Yes - it was working fine on both PC's before (the SFF was running XP
> >> > SP1).
> >> >
> >> > Haven't tried the camera elsewhere, but I'm sure it's SP2...
> >> > No luck rolling back to SP1 drivers as per Treeman's previous posts...
> >> >
> >> > Audigy did work before, and has the latest drivers...
> >> >
> >> > It's a nasty problem, not sure why Microsoft won't acknowledge it - am
> >> > I
> >> > missing something?
> >> >
> >> > "Graham Hughes" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Are we to assume that it was working fine before installing SP2?
> >> >> If so, it doesn't work when replacing the drivers with the old sp1
> >> >> ones?
> >> >> The media centre has never worked with the camcorder?
> >> >> Can you try your camcorder and cable to see if it works on your
> >> >> friends
> >> >> pc?
> >> >> If you have an ext hdd you could download to this at his machine to
> >> >> get
> >> >> you
> >> >> out of trouble until this is solved.
> >> >> Is the audigy the only firewire connection on that pc? If so, have you
> >> >> checked for any updated drivers for the audigy card as some early
> >> >> models
> >> >> didn't have fully compliant ones.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Graham Hughes
> >> >> MVP Digital Media
> >> >> www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
> >> >> www.dvds2treasure.com
> >> >> www.simplydv.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "SP2 broke my IEEE1394" >
> >> >> wrote
> >> >> in message ...
> >> >> > My camera did not come with specific firewire drivers. It relies on
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > drivers provided by Windows, as do all firewire camcorders, I think.
> >> >> > The
> >> >> > only driver my camera has is a USB driver, but the USB works OK
> >> >> > (it's
> >> >> > just
> >> >> > not good enough).
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "W.D. Parker" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Have you tried re-installing the camera drivers and software?
> >> >> >> Uninstall
> >> >> >> them, then re-install.
> >> >> >> W.D.
> >> >> >> "SP2 broke my IEEE1394" <SP2 broke my
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> wrote in message
> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> > Help!!!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I have what seems to be a very common problem - my Sony DCR TRV22
> >> >> >> > DV
> >> >> >> > camcorder is no longer recognized at all via Firewire by Windows
> >> >> >> > since
> >> >> >> > installing XP SP2.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I have 2 systems with the same issue:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > AMD 2600+
> >> >> >> > Asus MB nVidia nForce 2 chipset
> >> >> >> > Soundblaster Audigy 2 Platinum with Firewire &
> >> >> >> > Windows XP upgraded to SP2 from SP1
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > iDEQ SFF PC w/ built in Firewire
> >> >> >> > Celeron 2.4 GHz
> >> >> >> > Windows Media Center Edition 2005 (which comes with SP2)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Here's what I've done:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > 1)Bought a new firewire cable (before I realized it's definitely
> >> >> >> > an
> >> >> >> > SP2
> >> >> >> > issue)
> >> >> >> > 2)Various Spyware/Virus scans (which I do anyway - BTW MS
> >> >> >> > AntiSpyware
> >> >> >> > Beta
> >> >> >> > is awesome for getting rid of that IST bar)
> >> >> >> > 3)Tried my friend's identical DCR TRV22 - same issue
> >> >> >> > 4)Replaced my SP2 IEEE 1394 files with SP1 as per previous posts
> >> >> >> > 5)My Firewall is completely OFF
> >> >> >> > 6)Re-booted with my camera connected and ON
> >> >> >> > 7)My IEEE 1394 Controller is seen by Windows as working properly
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I have some footage I must get over onto DVD and the USB
> >> >> >> > connection
> >> >> >> > stinks.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Treeman, I've noticed you have spent a lot of time on this
> >> >> >> > problem
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > seem
> >> >> >> > to be the most knowledgeable person I've come across as I've been
> >> >> >> > scouring
> >> >> >> > the internet for the last 3 months or so. I haven't seen much
> >> >> >> > info
> >> >> >> > recently
> >> >> >> > though that is new.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I refuse to roll everything back to SP1 since I actually like the
> >> >> >> > pop-up
> >> >> >> > blocker and I'm guessing will run into other compatability
> >> >> >> > problems
> >> >> >> > if
> >> >> >> > I
> >> >> >> > do
> >> >> >> > -i.e. video, etc...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Can anyone help? Does MS have a solution?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
I have a Canon MV 730i and it used to be detected on my compaq nx7010 laptop
firewire connection. I have XP professional and keep my machine updated with
service packs and recently noticed that my camera does not get detected and
the pc to pc firewire connection no longer seems to work.
I have a dell desktop, also XP professional kept updated, which works
finewith the Canon camera - detects and prompts for the program to run.
Any insight would be appreciated.
Andy
"Graham Hughes" wrote:
> Got a quick reply from MS, which states it's firmware in certain cams that
> is causing the problem. No problems had been found with Sony previously,
> mostly canon, so I'm going to pass on all your details to MS if that is ok
> with you.
> Can you mail me as much detail as possible about the two pc systems,
> including hardware and software, the make/model of cam and when bought,
> PAL/NTSC etc etc. I know we have discussed some of it, but it'll be easier
> for me if I have it off you all in one go.
> I'm also going to start collating info for MS to see if we can get the
> hotfix closer to the top of the pile of things to work on, so no promises,
> but fingers crossed.
>
> Graham
>
> --
> Graham Hughes
> MVP Digital Media
> www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
> www.dvds2treasure.com
> www.simplydv.com
>
>
> "SP2 broke my IEEE1394" > wrote
> in message ...
> > Hi Graham,
> >
> > First off, thanks for taking the time to respond as I realize this is a
> > very
> > nebulous problem.
> >
> > To answer your question on the SFF - I originally had XP SP1 installed on
> > it. At that time, the camera was recognized immediately every time and I
> > had
> > no issues.
> >
> > I then proceeded to format the drive, completely wiping it and installed
> > MCE
> > 2005 on it fresh, and MCE 2005 includes SP2. Now, my camera is not
> > recognized at all on this system or on my other system via Firewire, but
> > USB
> > works.
> >
> > As for hardware, my friend's exact same model camera (Sony DCR TRV22) has
> > the same issue on both my systems as mine does (does not detect firewired
> > cameras at all), so unless the DV gods have conspired to disable both our
> > cameras IEEE 1394 connections simultaneously without affecting any other
> > functions on the cameras, I am guessing the issue must be with my PCs.
> >
> > I agree that there is something new on the PCs that is causing the issue,
> > and based on the many, MANY other people who report IEEE 1394 connection
> > issues with SP2, I must assume this is it. I have yet to come across a
> > definite, common reason why the problem occurs, other than the obvious:
> > i.e.
> > the firewall on the IEEE 1394 connection for example. But you raise a
> > valid
> > point when you state MS has made SP2 more adherent to the standard, where
> > perhaps my Sony camera somehow is not as adherent?
> >
> > But again, the drivers are all MS, NOT Sony, so I am unsure how the
> > problem
> > could be with the camera hardware itself being incompatible, although I
> > suppose it is possible. Bottom line is, I tried a bunch of stuff and the
> > @#$
> > camera Firewire does not work and I am very frustrated since I need to
> > pull
> > the video off somehow and the USB does not cut it.
> >
> > Thanks again for your support.
> >
> > "Graham Hughes" wrote:
> >
> >> Just being picky here, but on one hand you say the mce came with sp2 on
> >> the
> >> other you are saying it used to work with the. Can you just clartify this
> >> for me.
> >> Microsfts take on this is that they moved SP2 to more closely adhere to
> >> the
> >> ieee1394 standards, which SP1a didn't. This has meant that some items,
> >> which
> >> also don't quite adhere to the standards fail to work properly. Now if
> >> they
> >> are telling the truth then it's not really their fault. I have not had
> >> any
> >> problems since updating my office pc, my video editing pc and my wifes pc
> >> with firewire not working properly and I have 3 camcorders. All this
> >> proves
> >> is that in my personal set ups sp2 works fine, it may be a conflict with
> >> other items on your pc's that are causing it, I don't really know.
> >> If it was the sp2 drivers then rolling back would have fixed it, so we
> >> need
> >> to look deeper to try and solve it, so first lets ensure it's not faulty
> >> equipment so see if you can test the cam on a known to work computer and
> >> report back.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Graham Hughes
> >> MVP Digital Media
> >> www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
> >> www.dvds2treasure.com
> >> www.simplydv.com
> >>
> >>
> >> "SP2 broke my IEEE1394" >
> >> wrote
> >> in message ...
> >> > Hi Graham,
> >> >
> >> > Yes - it was working fine on both PC's before (the SFF was running XP
> >> > SP1).
> >> >
> >> > Haven't tried the camera elsewhere, but I'm sure it's SP2...
> >> > No luck rolling back to SP1 drivers as per Treeman's previous posts...
> >> >
> >> > Audigy did work before, and has the latest drivers...
> >> >
> >> > It's a nasty problem, not sure why Microsoft won't acknowledge it - am
> >> > I
> >> > missing something?
> >> >
> >> > "Graham Hughes" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Are we to assume that it was working fine before installing SP2?
> >> >> If so, it doesn't work when replacing the drivers with the old sp1
> >> >> ones?
> >> >> The media centre has never worked with the camcorder?
> >> >> Can you try your camcorder and cable to see if it works on your
> >> >> friends
> >> >> pc?
> >> >> If you have an ext hdd you could download to this at his machine to
> >> >> get
> >> >> you
> >> >> out of trouble until this is solved.
> >> >> Is the audigy the only firewire connection on that pc? If so, have you
> >> >> checked for any updated drivers for the audigy card as some early
> >> >> models
> >> >> didn't have fully compliant ones.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Graham Hughes
> >> >> MVP Digital Media
> >> >> www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
> >> >> www.dvds2treasure.com
> >> >> www.simplydv.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "SP2 broke my IEEE1394" >
> >> >> wrote
> >> >> in message ...
> >> >> > My camera did not come with specific firewire drivers. It relies on
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > drivers provided by Windows, as do all firewire camcorders, I think.
> >> >> > The
> >> >> > only driver my camera has is a USB driver, but the USB works OK
> >> >> > (it's
> >> >> > just
> >> >> > not good enough).
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "W.D. Parker" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Have you tried re-installing the camera drivers and software?
> >> >> >> Uninstall
> >> >> >> them, then re-install.
> >> >> >> W.D.
> >> >> >> "SP2 broke my IEEE1394" <SP2 broke my
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> wrote in message
> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> > Help!!!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I have what seems to be a very common problem - my Sony DCR TRV22
> >> >> >> > DV
> >> >> >> > camcorder is no longer recognized at all via Firewire by Windows
> >> >> >> > since
> >> >> >> > installing XP SP2.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I have 2 systems with the same issue:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > AMD 2600+
> >> >> >> > Asus MB nVidia nForce 2 chipset
> >> >> >> > Soundblaster Audigy 2 Platinum with Firewire &
> >> >> >> > Windows XP upgraded to SP2 from SP1
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > iDEQ SFF PC w/ built in Firewire
> >> >> >> > Celeron 2.4 GHz
> >> >> >> > Windows Media Center Edition 2005 (which comes with SP2)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Here's what I've done:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > 1)Bought a new firewire cable (before I realized it's definitely
> >> >> >> > an
> >> >> >> > SP2
> >> >> >> > issue)
> >> >> >> > 2)Various Spyware/Virus scans (which I do anyway - BTW MS
> >> >> >> > AntiSpyware
> >> >> >> > Beta
> >> >> >> > is awesome for getting rid of that IST bar)
> >> >> >> > 3)Tried my friend's identical DCR TRV22 - same issue
> >> >> >> > 4)Replaced my SP2 IEEE 1394 files with SP1 as per previous posts
> >> >> >> > 5)My Firewall is completely OFF
> >> >> >> > 6)Re-booted with my camera connected and ON
> >> >> >> > 7)My IEEE 1394 Controller is seen by Windows as working properly
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I have some footage I must get over onto DVD and the USB
> >> >> >> > connection
> >> >> >> > stinks.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Treeman, I've noticed you have spent a lot of time on this
> >> >> >> > problem
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > seem
> >> >> >> > to be the most knowledgeable person I've come across as I've been
> >> >> >> > scouring
> >> >> >> > the internet for the last 3 months or so. I haven't seen much
> >> >> >> > info
> >> >> >> > recently
> >> >> >> > though that is new.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I refuse to roll everything back to SP1 since I actually like the
> >> >> >> > pop-up
> >> >> >> > blocker and I'm guessing will run into other compatability
> >> >> >> > problems
> >> >> >> > if
> >> >> >> > I
> >> >> >> > do
> >> >> >> > -i.e. video, etc...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Can anyone help? Does MS have a solution?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>