Slow program launch with network connection

[kelan]

I have a problem for which, I just can't seem to find a solution.

If I have a network connection (wired ethernet or wireless), any time I try
to start a program, I endure an excruciatingly long delay of 10-100 seconds.
On occasion, it can be 5 or more minutes. The variable is the network
connection. If I have totally disconnected, programs start quite quickly,
ie, normally.

I have done spyware scans, virus scans, unloaded virtually all of the
programs that launch at startup, etc. Nothing helps except terminating a
network connection. This is exclusive to my laptop, a Thinkpad T42 running
Windows XP, 60Gb HDD, 768M RAM. I run Norton AntiVirus 2006, but this was an
issue before then. The laptop came with NAV 2005 preinstalled.

[databaseben]

You didn't mention if your connection was eventually successful after the
delay....
You say it was an issue before your norton install, but was it an issue at
the time of your laptop purchase?

right click on the network connection and drill down into the properties.
You should have a dozen or so settings, like mps, duplexing, etc...

check your cmos/bios for a couple of options pertaining to the network as
well.

Got any question marks in device manager.... etc...

"kelan" > wrote in message
...
>I have a problem for which, I just can't seem to find a solution.
>
> If I have a network connection (wired ethernet or wireless), any time I
> try
> to start a program, I endure an excruciatingly long delay of 10-100
> seconds.
> On occasion, it can be 5 or more minutes. The variable is the network
> connection. If I have totally disconnected, programs start quite quickly,
> ie, normally.
>
> I have done spyware scans, virus scans, unloaded virtually all of the
> programs that launch at startup, etc. Nothing helps except terminating a
> network connection. This is exclusive to my laptop, a Thinkpad T42
> running
> Windows XP, 60Gb HDD, 768M RAM. I run Norton AntiVirus 2006, but this was
> an
> issue before then. The laptop came with NAV 2005 preinstalled.
>

[kelan]

Thanks for reading. The problem is not with the network per se. I
experience a long delay trying to start any program, notepad, calculator,
windows explorer, Adobe, anything. The network connection is what drives the
delay. Connected=slow, unconnected=fast.
The problem started about 60 days after I got the laptop, quite noticeable.
I can't say I can tie it to any one event. I only mention NAV because it is
typically a problem causer of issues.



"databaseben" wrote:

> You didn't mention if your connection was eventually successful after the
> delay....
> You say it was an issue before your norton install, but was it an issue at
> the time of your laptop purchase?
>
> right click on the network connection and drill down into the properties.
> You should have a dozen or so settings, like mps, duplexing, etc...
>
> check your cmos/bios for a couple of options pertaining to the network as
> well.
>
> Got any question marks in device manager.... etc...
>
> "kelan" > wrote in message
> ...
> >I have a problem for which, I just can't seem to find a solution.
> >
> > If I have a network connection (wired ethernet or wireless), any time I
> > try
> > to start a program, I endure an excruciatingly long delay of 10-100
> > seconds.
> > On occasion, it can be 5 or more minutes. The variable is the network
> > connection. If I have totally disconnected, programs start quite quickly,
> > ie, normally.
> >
> > I have done spyware scans, virus scans, unloaded virtually all of the
> > programs that launch at startup, etc. Nothing helps except terminating a
> > network connection. This is exclusive to my laptop, a Thinkpad T42
> > running
> > Windows XP, 60Gb HDD, 768M RAM. I run Norton AntiVirus 2006, but this was
> > an
> > issue before then. The laptop came with NAV 2005 preinstalled.
> >
>
>
>

[databaseben]

Yeh, your on the right track because NAV is a sytem hogger, not only does it
take up lots of memory but also taxes your cpu.

See if cycling your indexing service and wia service will help. If this is
running and indexing all your files and folders frequently,
it could be interferring with your processing time for the other programs.
Goto admin tools, services, indexing and the wia.
They won't damage any of your system files so they are safe to disable, (or
enable) at your convenience.

Also, it could be a simple matter of tuning up your system too. I use
NTRegOpt@??, ERunt @??, CCleaner @ filehippo.com and PageDfrg @
sysinternals.com, and O&ODefrag 2000 =??

Also, remove unneeded startup processes's too via msconfig via run via
start. Unneeded automatic updating, registering, etc... can be run manually
when you choose to.

Also, you may have to remove that Genuine Advantage Spyware from MS; as
there have been unpredicatable issues on some computers. Search for
freeware called RemoveWGA.....




"kelan" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks for reading. The problem is not with the network per se. I
> experience a long delay trying to start any program, notepad, calculator,
> windows explorer, Adobe, anything. The network connection is what drives
> the
> delay. Connected=slow, unconnected=fast.
> The problem started about 60 days after I got the laptop, quite
> noticeable.
> I can't say I can tie it to any one event. I only mention NAV because it
> is
> typically a problem causer of issues.
>
>
>
> "databaseben" wrote:
>
>> You didn't mention if your connection was eventually successful after the
>> delay....
>> You say it was an issue before your norton install, but was it an issue
>> at
>> the time of your laptop purchase?
>>
>> right click on the network connection and drill down into the properties.
>> You should have a dozen or so settings, like mps, duplexing, etc...
>>
>> check your cmos/bios for a couple of options pertaining to the network as
>> well.
>>
>> Got any question marks in device manager.... etc...
>>
>> "kelan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >I have a problem for which, I just can't seem to find a solution.
>> >
>> > If I have a network connection (wired ethernet or wireless), any time I
>> > try
>> > to start a program, I endure an excruciatingly long delay of 10-100
>> > seconds.
>> > On occasion, it can be 5 or more minutes. The variable is the network
>> > connection. If I have totally disconnected, programs start quite
>> > quickly,
>> > ie, normally.
>> >
>> > I have done spyware scans, virus scans, unloaded virtually all of the
>> > programs that launch at startup, etc. Nothing helps except terminating
>> > a
>> > network connection. This is exclusive to my laptop, a Thinkpad T42
>> > running
>> > Windows XP, 60Gb HDD, 768M RAM. I run Norton AntiVirus 2006, but this
>> > was
>> > an
>> > issue before then. The laptop came with NAV 2005 preinstalled.
>> >
>>
>>
>>

[databaseben]

almost forgot, make sure you only have 1 active connection via your
firewall. If you have more, it is likely something got installed and created
a port to transfer data in the background. If another port was created,
double check to see if was permitted by you. Its possible you downloaded
something and didn't realize the other port was created and or how is it
being used. Yr firewall should be set to no exceptions too and it will
still work with the internet



"databaseben" > wrote in message
...
> You didn't mention if your connection was eventually successful after the
> delay....
> You say it was an issue before your norton install, but was it an issue at
> the time of your laptop purchase?
>
> right click on the network connection and drill down into the properties.
> You should have a dozen or so settings, like mps, duplexing, etc...
>
> check your cmos/bios for a couple of options pertaining to the network as
> well.
>
> Got any question marks in device manager.... etc...
>
> "kelan" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I have a problem for which, I just can't seem to find a solution.
>>
>> If I have a network connection (wired ethernet or wireless), any time I
>> try
>> to start a program, I endure an excruciatingly long delay of 10-100
>> seconds.
>> On occasion, it can be 5 or more minutes. The variable is the network
>> connection. If I have totally disconnected, programs start quite
>> quickly,
>> ie, normally.
>>
>> I have done spyware scans, virus scans, unloaded virtually all of the
>> programs that launch at startup, etc. Nothing helps except terminating a
>> network connection. This is exclusive to my laptop, a Thinkpad T42
>> running
>> Windows XP, 60Gb HDD, 768M RAM. I run Norton AntiVirus 2006, but this
>> was an
>> issue before then. The laptop came with NAV 2005 preinstalled.
>>
>
>

[kelan]

Thanks for the suggestions. I am still slow. I tried all suggestions, and
no improvement. I even compared the status of all of the Services when
connected and not connected to the internet. The only thing different
between the two states was the "Server" service. Everything else was the
same. I ran RemoveWGA. I also run CCLeaner, Spybot, Adaware, and closely
manage the startup programs.

Still,
network connection=slow program start
no internet connection=fast program start

Regards


"databaseben" wrote:

> almost forgot, make sure you only have 1 active connection via your
> firewall. If you have more, it is likely something got installed and created
> a port to transfer data in the background. If another port was created,
> double check to see if was permitted by you. Its possible you downloaded
> something and didn't realize the other port was created and or how is it
> being used. Yr firewall should be set to no exceptions too and it will
> still work with the internet
>
>
>
> "databaseben" > wrote in message
> ...
> > You didn't mention if your connection was eventually successful after the
> > delay....
> > You say it was an issue before your norton install, but was it an issue at
> > the time of your laptop purchase?
> >
> > right click on the network connection and drill down into the properties.
> > You should have a dozen or so settings, like mps, duplexing, etc...
> >
> > check your cmos/bios for a couple of options pertaining to the network as
> > well.
> >
> > Got any question marks in device manager.... etc...
> >
> > "kelan" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>I have a problem for which, I just can't seem to find a solution.
> >>
> >> If I have a network connection (wired ethernet or wireless), any time I
> >> try
> >> to start a program, I endure an excruciatingly long delay of 10-100
> >> seconds.
> >> On occasion, it can be 5 or more minutes. The variable is the network
> >> connection. If I have totally disconnected, programs start quite
> >> quickly,
> >> ie, normally.
> >>
> >> I have done spyware scans, virus scans, unloaded virtually all of the
> >> programs that launch at startup, etc. Nothing helps except terminating a
> >> network connection. This is exclusive to my laptop, a Thinkpad T42
> >> running
> >> Windows XP, 60Gb HDD, 768M RAM. I run Norton AntiVirus 2006, but this
> >> was an
> >> issue before then. The laptop came with NAV 2005 preinstalled.
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>

[databaseben]

well, i think we both seem to feel it diffently lies with the use of the
internet
could be the modem, router, network driver.

what i would do is to uninstall the antivirus completely and turn off your
firewalls, temporarily while
you are testing your pc.

when you say closer manage the startup programs, is not good enough.
You need to disable all of them except anything that is for your mouse or
keyboard. Even then
these 2 devices should not need to be in the startups, since windows has
generic drivers for them.
Nothing else should be closely managed until you resolve the issue you are
having with the connection.

what are the results when you go into safe mode with networking...?


"kelan" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks for the suggestions. I am still slow. I tried all suggestions,
> and
> no improvement. I even compared the status of all of the Services when
> connected and not connected to the internet. The only thing different
> between the two states was the "Server" service. Everything else was the
> same. I ran RemoveWGA. I also run CCLeaner, Spybot, Adaware, and closely
> manage the startup programs.
>
> Still,
> network connection=slow program start
> no internet connection=fast program start
>
> Regards
>
>
> "databaseben" wrote:
>
>> almost forgot, make sure you only have 1 active connection via your
>> firewall. If you have more, it is likely something got installed and
>> created
>> a port to transfer data in the background. If another port was created,
>> double check to see if was permitted by you. Its possible you downloaded
>> something and didn't realize the other port was created and or how is it
>> being used. Yr firewall should be set to no exceptions too and it will
>> still work with the internet
>>
>>
>>
>> "databaseben" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > You didn't mention if your connection was eventually successful after
>> > the
>> > delay....
>> > You say it was an issue before your norton install, but was it an issue
>> > at
>> > the time of your laptop purchase?
>> >
>> > right click on the network connection and drill down into the
>> > properties.
>> > You should have a dozen or so settings, like mps, duplexing, etc...
>> >
>> > check your cmos/bios for a couple of options pertaining to the network
>> > as
>> > well.
>> >
>> > Got any question marks in device manager.... etc...
>> >
>> > "kelan" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >>I have a problem for which, I just can't seem to find a solution.
>> >>
>> >> If I have a network connection (wired ethernet or wireless), any time
>> >> I
>> >> try
>> >> to start a program, I endure an excruciatingly long delay of 10-100
>> >> seconds.
>> >> On occasion, it can be 5 or more minutes. The variable is the network
>> >> connection. If I have totally disconnected, programs start quite
>> >> quickly,
>> >> ie, normally.
>> >>
>> >> I have done spyware scans, virus scans, unloaded virtually all of the
>> >> programs that launch at startup, etc. Nothing helps except
>> >> terminating a
>> >> network connection. This is exclusive to my laptop, a Thinkpad T42
>> >> running
>> >> Windows XP, 60Gb HDD, 768M RAM. I run Norton AntiVirus 2006, but this
>> >> was an
>> >> issue before then. The laptop came with NAV 2005 preinstalled.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>

[kelan]

databaseben,

Thanks for staying involved.

Safe mode with networking (which installs virtually no overhead) has the
problem. I have disabled everything that CodeStuff Starter shows as an
option, and that doesn't work any better. I know that NAV has some registry
entries that aren't removed on an uninstall, and you have to manually delete
them. I have done that on other computers before, but not on this one -
because - it came with NAV and the slow problem developed later.

network connection=slow program start
no internet connection=fast program start

Regards



"databaseben" wrote:

> well, i think we both seem to feel it diffently lies with the use of the
> internet
> could be the modem, router, network driver.
>
> what i would do is to uninstall the antivirus completely and turn off your
> firewalls, temporarily while
> you are testing your pc.
>
> when you say closer manage the startup programs, is not good enough.
> You need to disable all of them except anything that is for your mouse or
> keyboard. Even then
> these 2 devices should not need to be in the startups, since windows has
> generic drivers for them.
> Nothing else should be closely managed until you resolve the issue you are
> having with the connection.
>
> what are the results when you go into safe mode with networking...?
>
>
> "kelan" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Thanks for the suggestions. I am still slow. I tried all suggestions,
> > and
> > no improvement. I even compared the status of all of the Services when
> > connected and not connected to the internet. The only thing different
> > between the two states was the "Server" service. Everything else was the
> > same. I ran RemoveWGA. I also run CCLeaner, Spybot, Adaware, and closely
> > manage the startup programs.
> >
> > Still,
> > network connection=slow program start
> > no internet connection=fast program start
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > "databaseben" wrote:
> >
> >> almost forgot, make sure you only have 1 active connection via your
> >> firewall. If you have more, it is likely something got installed and
> >> created
> >> a port to transfer data in the background. If another port was created,
> >> double check to see if was permitted by you. Its possible you downloaded
> >> something and didn't realize the other port was created and or how is it
> >> being used. Yr firewall should be set to no exceptions too and it will
> >> still work with the internet
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "databaseben" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > You didn't mention if your connection was eventually successful after
> >> > the
> >> > delay....
> >> > You say it was an issue before your norton install, but was it an issue
> >> > at
> >> > the time of your laptop purchase?
> >> >
> >> > right click on the network connection and drill down into the
> >> > properties.
> >> > You should have a dozen or so settings, like mps, duplexing, etc...
> >> >
> >> > check your cmos/bios for a couple of options pertaining to the network
> >> > as
> >> > well.
> >> >
> >> > Got any question marks in device manager.... etc...
> >> >
> >> > "kelan" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> >>I have a problem for which, I just can't seem to find a solution.
> >> >>
> >> >> If I have a network connection (wired ethernet or wireless), any time
> >> >> I
> >> >> try
> >> >> to start a program, I endure an excruciatingly long delay of 10-100
> >> >> seconds.
> >> >> On occasion, it can be 5 or more minutes. The variable is the network
> >> >> connection. If I have totally disconnected, programs start quite
> >> >> quickly,
> >> >> ie, normally.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have done spyware scans, virus scans, unloaded virtually all of the
> >> >> programs that launch at startup, etc. Nothing helps except
> >> >> terminating a
> >> >> network connection. This is exclusive to my laptop, a Thinkpad T42
> >> >> running
> >> >> Windows XP, 60Gb HDD, 768M RAM. I run Norton AntiVirus 2006, but this
> >> >> was an
> >> >> issue before then. The laptop came with NAV 2005 preinstalled.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

[databaseben]

ok, well at least we know that the problem is not a third party driver.
you see, safe mode loads the absolutely required drivers for the o.s.;
ommitting third party drivers. But some third party drivers are also from
microsoft.

to really clean out the registry look for a freeware called regcleaner 4.3
with it you can sort by program name and delete all the entries with one
click,
then you can resort by aurther and again delete with one click.
if you see an ambigiuos line item, right click on it and see a listing of
the
keys that will have additional information of it.

Then go to tool and initiate that orphan finder or something.

The other menu items should be considered off limits, since they are
very powerful and in my experience, they are not helpful with this
particular issues.

In addition to those possible softwares that you think are contributing, go
ahead and
delete any other software entries that you know for a fact should not be in
there. Remember
right clicking on the line will show you a listing...

Afterwards, you can use the freeware called pagedfg from sysinternals to
defrag the registry and hives, then reboot.
This at least will address the issue of those renegade softwares...
I suggest you do a restore point before installing and running any of the
above - for insurance.
I wouldn't be surprise if NAV left some tennicles in the registry that are
still stingy your o.s.


"kelan" > wrote in message
...
> databaseben,
>
> Thanks for staying involved.
>
> Safe mode with networking (which installs virtually no overhead) has the
> problem. I have disabled everything that CodeStuff Starter shows as an
> option, and that doesn't work any better. I know that NAV has some
> registry
> entries that aren't removed on an uninstall, and you have to manually
> delete
> them. I have done that on other computers before, but not on this one -
> because - it came with NAV and the slow problem developed later.
>
> network connection=slow program start
> no internet connection=fast program start
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> "databaseben" wrote:
>
>> well, i think we both seem to feel it diffently lies with the use of the
>> internet
>> could be the modem, router, network driver.
>>
>> what i would do is to uninstall the antivirus completely and turn off
>> your
>> firewalls, temporarily while
>> you are testing your pc.
>>
>> when you say closer manage the startup programs, is not good enough.
>> You need to disable all of them except anything that is for your mouse or
>> keyboard. Even then
>> these 2 devices should not need to be in the startups, since windows has
>> generic drivers for them.
>> Nothing else should be closely managed until you resolve the issue you
>> are
>> having with the connection.
>>
>> what are the results when you go into safe mode with networking...?
>>
>>
>> "kelan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Thanks for the suggestions. I am still slow. I tried all suggestions,
>> > and
>> > no improvement. I even compared the status of all of the Services when
>> > connected and not connected to the internet. The only thing different
>> > between the two states was the "Server" service. Everything else was
>> > the
>> > same. I ran RemoveWGA. I also run CCLeaner, Spybot, Adaware, and
>> > closely
>> > manage the startup programs.
>> >
>> > Still,
>> > network connection=slow program start
>> > no internet connection=fast program start
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> >
>> > "databaseben" wrote:
>> >
>> >> almost forgot, make sure you only have 1 active connection via your
>> >> firewall. If you have more, it is likely something got installed and
>> >> created
>> >> a port to transfer data in the background. If another port was
>> >> created,
>> >> double check to see if was permitted by you. Its possible you
>> >> downloaded
>> >> something and didn't realize the other port was created and or how is
>> >> it
>> >> being used. Yr firewall should be set to no exceptions too and it
>> >> will
>> >> still work with the internet
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "databaseben" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > You didn't mention if your connection was eventually successful
>> >> > after
>> >> > the
>> >> > delay....
>> >> > You say it was an issue before your norton install, but was it an
>> >> > issue
>> >> > at
>> >> > the time of your laptop purchase?
>> >> >
>> >> > right click on the network connection and drill down into the
>> >> > properties.
>> >> > You should have a dozen or so settings, like mps, duplexing, etc...
>> >> >
>> >> > check your cmos/bios for a couple of options pertaining to the
>> >> > network
>> >> > as
>> >> > well.
>> >> >
>> >> > Got any question marks in device manager.... etc...
>> >> >
>> >> > "kelan" > wrote in message
>> >> > ...
>> >> >>I have a problem for which, I just can't seem to find a solution.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If I have a network connection (wired ethernet or wireless), any
>> >> >> time
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> try
>> >> >> to start a program, I endure an excruciatingly long delay of 10-100
>> >> >> seconds.
>> >> >> On occasion, it can be 5 or more minutes. The variable is the
>> >> >> network
>> >> >> connection. If I have totally disconnected, programs start quite
>> >> >> quickly,
>> >> >> ie, normally.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I have done spyware scans, virus scans, unloaded virtually all of
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> programs that launch at startup, etc. Nothing helps except
>> >> >> terminating a
>> >> >> network connection. This is exclusive to my laptop, a Thinkpad T42
>> >> >> running
>> >> >> Windows XP, 60Gb HDD, 768M RAM. I run Norton AntiVirus 2006, but
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> was an
>> >> >> issue before then. The laptop came with NAV 2005 preinstalled.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>

[Prodigy]

"kelan" > wrote in message
...
>I have a problem for which, I just can't seem to find a solution.
> If I have a network connection (wired ethernet or wireless), any time I
> try
> to start a program, I endure an excruciatingly long delay of 10-100
> seconds.
> On occasion, it can be 5 or more minutes. The variable is the network
> connection. If I have totally disconnected, programs start quite quickly,
> ie, normally.

kelan,
i have the exactly the same problem and i'm without solution

when i disconnect (left click and option 'disable') network - all
applications start-up very fast (in less than one second)
if i enable network - all applications takes at least 5 to 10 seconds
(delay) to start-up
of course, if i then close some application and immediatly start that same
application again - it loads fast (even if network is enabled) and i suppose
that is because that application is probably much cached in mem.

anyway, i dont have NAV; i have NOD32 installed over a year and my simptoms
of slow-application-startup first showed month or two ago
my configuration is AMD 4600+, DFI MB Nforce 4, Nforce NIC connected to
Linksys WRT54GS (that is connected to ISP / DSL)

so far, searching the net i found only this articles:
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/rcdelay.htm
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/slowrightclick.htm

but none of those solved my problem :((
so pls, keep us informed if you (and how did you) fix it....

[[email protected]]

I have had this problem quite a few times. It usually turns out that
it is an authentication error with your active network connection.

Un-check the "Enable IEEE 802.1x authentication for this network" in
the authentication tab of the local area connection properties dialog
box.

It's usually not needed unless you have specifically set up the IEEE on
other computers or servers.

Once the change has been made, restart to complete the network settings
change.

This solution will work with both wired and wireless connections.
Disabling the IEEE will not affect WEP or WPA wirless security settings.

[Pam]

I tried this and it didn't help - when surfing - all of the sudden my
connection seems SO SLOW! the window doesn't load until the whole thing is
downloaded .. if you know what I mean. I did uncheck the below but it didn't
seem to make any difference - any other ideas?

I'm on xp pro on dsl - and it was lightning fast...now...might as well be
dialup

pam
> wrote in message
oups.com...
>I have had this problem quite a few times. It usually turns out that
> it is an authentication error with your active network connection.
>
> Un-check the "Enable IEEE 802.1x authentication for this network" in
> the authentication tab of the local area connection properties dialog
> box.
>
> It's usually not needed unless you have specifically set up the IEEE on
> other computers or servers.
>
> Once the change has been made, restart to complete the network settings
> change.
>
> This solution will work with both wired and wireless connections.
> Disabling the IEEE will not affect WEP or WPA wirless security settings.
>